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Artist's proof, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 17:15:00 GMT 1, I was wondering what people's opinions were of an artist's proof. If a limited edition print has a print run of, say, 200 plus 10 artist's proofs, are the artist's proofs worth more or less or exactly the same as one of the standard prints? And are artist's proofs exactly the same in appearance as the other prints?
I was wondering what people's opinions were of an artist's proof. If a limited edition print has a print run of, say, 200 plus 10 artist's proofs, are the artist's proofs worth more or less or exactly the same as one of the standard prints? And are artist's proofs exactly the same in appearance as the other prints?
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Dibbs 45
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Artist's proof, by Dibbs 45 on Aug 26, 2018 17:20:36 GMT 1, I think there are a number of threads on this subject. Perhaps a mod will help you out otherwise just repeat the same things
I think there are a number of threads on this subject. Perhaps a mod will help you out otherwise just repeat the same things
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Artist's proof, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 17:29:36 GMT 1, I think there are a number of threads on this subject. Perhaps a mod will help you out otherwise just repeat the same things 
I think there are a number of threads on this subject. Perhaps a mod will help you out otherwise just repeat the same things Sorry. I didn't know that. I'm relatively new here; and I wasn't going to wade through 700+ threads. |
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Artist's proof, by jesterful on Aug 26, 2018 18:11:32 GMT 1, Doesnโt really change the price of fish nowadays. Galleries will try and spin you a yarn about how โrareโ they are etc but itโs generally just marketing hype. Sometimes AP might have some hand finished details which the main run didnโt have so that might add a premium.
Some people try and avoid AP all together because although artists should keep the amount of APโs to a certain amount, a lot of them might pull/print a few extra for the archives. It can be very difficult to know exactly how many AP are in existence where as the main run will be numbered.
All imho etc etc.
Doesnโt really change the price of fish nowadays. Galleries will try and spin you a yarn about how โrareโ they are etc but itโs generally just marketing hype. Sometimes AP might have some hand finished details which the main run didnโt have so that might add a premium.
Some people try and avoid AP all together because although artists should keep the amount of APโs to a certain amount, a lot of them might pull/print a few extra for the archives. It can be very difficult to know exactly how many AP are in existence where as the main run will be numbered.
All imho etc etc.
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Artist's proof, by WOOF on Aug 26, 2018 18:49:50 GMT 1, Doesnโt really change the price of fish nowadays. Galleries will try and spin you a yarn about how โrareโ they are etc but itโs generally just marketing hype. Sometimes AP might have some hand finished details which the main run didnโt have so that might add a premium. Some people try and avoid AP all together because although artists should keep the amount of APโs to a certain amount, a lot of them might pull/print a few extra for the archives. It can be very difficult to know exactly how many AP are in existence where as the main run will be numbered. All imho etc etc.
Lots of AP editions are still numbered...
Doesnโt really change the price of fish nowadays. Galleries will try and spin you a yarn about how โrareโ they are etc but itโs generally just marketing hype. Sometimes AP might have some hand finished details which the main run didnโt have so that might add a premium. Some people try and avoid AP all together because although artists should keep the amount of APโs to a certain amount, a lot of them might pull/print a few extra for the archives. It can be very difficult to know exactly how many AP are in existence where as the main run will be numbered. All imho etc etc. Lots of AP editions are still numbered... |
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Artist's proof, by .dappy on Aug 26, 2018 19:41:13 GMT 1, ... unless an AP (numbered or not) has something different, ie it really is an Artist's Proof where they are trying something different or something is 'not quite right' ... I usually go for the regular edition ... especially if they are asking a premium ...
... if your print arrives damaged ... then you may be offered a AP in exchange ... but again in my view, it should be numbered ...
... unless an AP (numbered or not) has something different, ie it really is an Artist's Proof where they are trying something different or something is 'not quite right' ... I usually go for the regular edition ... especially if they are asking a premium ...
... if your print arrives damaged ... then you may be offered a AP in exchange ... but again in my view, it should be numbered ...
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Laugh Now 10
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Artist's proof, by Laugh Now 10 on Aug 26, 2018 19:50:10 GMT 1, In the world of Banksy, for example, an A/P Happy Chopper should be priced the same as the standard signed edition as there is nothing to distinguish the A/P image from the standard signed image. However, an A/P NOLA, for example, executed in a limited rain colour way different from the standard edition rain colour way may command up to 2.5-3 times the value of the standard edition white rain print. I would apply this rule to across the board but just my two pence, of course.
In the world of Banksy, for example, an A/P Happy Chopper should be priced the same as the standard signed edition as there is nothing to distinguish the A/P image from the standard signed image. However, an A/P NOLA, for example, executed in a limited rain colour way different from the standard edition rain colour way may command up to 2.5-3 times the value of the standard edition white rain print. I would apply this rule to across the board but just my two pence, of course.
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Artist's proof, by galaxy01 on Aug 26, 2018 20:18:09 GMT 1, ... unless an AP (numbered or not) has something different, ie it really is an Artist's Proof where they are trying something different or something is 'not quite right' ... I usually go for the regular edition ... especially if they are asking a premium ... ... if your print arrives damaged ... then you may be offered a AP in exchange ... but again in my view, it should be numbered ...
... unless an AP (numbered or not) has something different, ie it really is an Artist's Proof where they are trying something different or something is 'not quite right' ... I usually go for the regular edition ... especially if they are asking a premium ... ... if your print arrives damaged ... then you may be offered a AP in exchange ... but again in my view, it should be numbered ... I agree with dappy, if the AP is identical to the edition, get the numbered edition instead as it has a more reliable value and you never know how may AP's are out there, sometimes there are Studio Proofs/Printers Proofs too which are hard to keep track of. If the AP is different, it has a 'unique' aspect which you may prefer, or may be preferred by other collectors. |
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Artist's proof, by Express Post on Aug 26, 2018 23:32:32 GMT 1, If you can get an AP for the same price as the regular edition, get it. They are more limited than the regular run.
Never known of an AP to have a higher run than the regular edition.
If you can get an AP for the same price as the regular edition, get it. They are more limited than the regular run.
Never known of an AP to have a higher run than the regular edition.
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Dibbs 45
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Artist's proof, by Dibbs 45 on Aug 26, 2018 23:51:11 GMT 1, AP and PP are supposed to be prep proofs for a main edition. This is what makes them unique and a smaller edition if numbered, as they are slightly different. But like mentioned these have become an extra edition, sometimes tagged onto an edition to rinse more cash out people or give those that missed out an opportunity to get a print for more money.
Some artists donโt number them, so if someone who missed out emails them, they can print another AP for more money that is no different to the main edition. It was great idea before as you would get something unique but the thing has been exploited by some now.
Numbered AP smaller edition with some difference would be more valuable. But you donโt see many now, as they just stick AP on them.
Peter Blake at the last boot fair is a great example. The edition ran out or sold out then he had another pile which he signed and stuck AP on them. No one knee the edition of APs
AP and PP are supposed to be prep proofs for a main edition. This is what makes them unique and a smaller edition if numbered, as they are slightly different. But like mentioned these have become an extra edition, sometimes tagged onto an edition to rinse more cash out people or give those that missed out an opportunity to get a print for more money.
Some artists donโt number them, so if someone who missed out emails them, they can print another AP for more money that is no different to the main edition. It was great idea before as you would get something unique but the thing has been exploited by some now.
Numbered AP smaller edition with some difference would be more valuable. But you donโt see many now, as they just stick AP on them.
Peter Blake at the last boot fair is a great example. The edition ran out or sold out then he had another pile which he signed and stuck AP on them. No one knee the edition of APs
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Artist's proof, by shy on Aug 27, 2018 2:48:43 GMT 1, AP (artist proof) and PP (punter's proof) generally sell for more money and in many cases are more desirable and harder to find or buy. I try to get either.
Sometimes PP are slightly different than the standard set. SO colouring may vary but very cool because they tend to be unique.
Also some artists like Harland Miller will hand finish his APs so they become much more valuable and 1 of 1 editions!
AP (artist proof) and PP (punter's proof) generally sell for more money and in many cases are more desirable and harder to find or buy. I try to get either.
Sometimes PP are slightly different than the standard set. SO colouring may vary but very cool because they tend to be unique.
Also some artists like Harland Miller will hand finish his APs so they become much more valuable and 1 of 1 editions!
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Artist's proof, by hui on Aug 27, 2018 3:10:01 GMT 1, Most of my APs are from fairly large AP runs or regretable buys, where the artist tried different colors.
Personally I don't think they matter and I certainly don't pay more. Artist occasionally bdo charge more for an AP, but that founded on irrantional hype rather than merit often times. Either that, or they wait for the market to settle on the mark up and then they introduce them to the market.
Most of my APs are from fairly large AP runs or regretable buys, where the artist tried different colors.
Personally I don't think they matter and I certainly don't pay more. Artist occasionally bdo charge more for an AP, but that founded on irrantional hype rather than merit often times. Either that, or they wait for the market to settle on the mark up and then they introduce them to the market.
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Artist's proof, by Express Post on Aug 27, 2018 4:00:49 GMT 1, Artists like Hush or from GP roster will mix it up with the AP so that it isn't just a continuation of the regular edition.
Artists like Hush or from GP roster will mix it up with the AP so that it isn't just a continuation of the regular edition.
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Artist's proof, by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 10:58:58 GMT 1, AP (artist proof) and PP (punter's proof) generally sell for more money and in many cases are more desirable and harder to find or buy. I try to get either. Sometimes PP are slightly different than the standard set. SO colouring may vary but very cool because they tend to be unique. Also some artists like Harland Miller will hand finish his APs so they become much more valuable and 1 of 1 editions!
AP (artist proof) and PP (punter's proof) generally sell for more money and in many cases are more desirable and harder to find or buy. I try to get either. Sometimes PP are slightly different than the standard set. SO colouring may vary but very cool because they tend to be unique. Also some artists like Harland Miller will hand finish his APs so they become much more valuable and 1 of 1 editions! I've got one of a regular print run edition that is hand finished by the artist. I like it when they do that because, as you say, it makes each edition print unique. |
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