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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 17:58:04 GMT 1, Hey guys, I wanted to ask a question and maybe start a discussion about how my perception has changed over the past 5-10 years or so.
I feel that over the past 5-10 years, there has been an absolute influx of art and art-related information, particularly in the "urban" scene, and as current media suggests its causing everything to appear "instant and meaningless".
In a world where everything is on Instagram, songs/musicians are popular for shorter amounts of time, and TV shows can only be one season or people lose interest, I feel that much of art has gone in the same direction.
It feels as if artists (not necessarily by their own fault, and after having spend many legitimate years of building a career) flash in and out of the spotlight, never to be seen again. They hit instagram/marketing fame, sell a lot of prints after we all snap our new prints on instagram, and then completely have their bubble burst. Worst of all, I am questioning if this has started to happen in my own perceptions, despite my attempt to ignore "whats hot". I am aware that this has always existed in all artistic or collectible markets, but it feels worse than ever.
In NO WAY AM I CRITICIZING ARTISTS. I want that to be clear. They have to make art, and a living, and publicize. But I feel that its the young "supreme" collector fans that are forcing this phenomenon to exist.
I see many artists like Katrin Fredriks, James Joyce, Mehdi, Madsaki, Hayuk all falling victim to this, as well as hosts of others. And I'm not only talking about prices of works, which I am, but just overall exposure and "Hype".
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I am speaking in part to Instagram, but its more the "supreme mentality" and "instagram type fame" that im talking about, not only literal Instagram consumption. Really the short-term fame is what stands out, and the decreasion duration of success and popularity.
Am I the only one that feels this way?
Hey guys, I wanted to ask a question and maybe start a discussion about how my perception has changed over the past 5-10 years or so.
I feel that over the past 5-10 years, there has been an absolute influx of art and art-related information, particularly in the "urban" scene, and as current media suggests its causing everything to appear "instant and meaningless".
In a world where everything is on Instagram, songs/musicians are popular for shorter amounts of time, and TV shows can only be one season or people lose interest, I feel that much of art has gone in the same direction.
It feels as if artists (not necessarily by their own fault, and after having spend many legitimate years of building a career) flash in and out of the spotlight, never to be seen again. They hit instagram/marketing fame, sell a lot of prints after we all snap our new prints on instagram, and then completely have their bubble burst. Worst of all, I am questioning if this has started to happen in my own perceptions, despite my attempt to ignore "whats hot". I am aware that this has always existed in all artistic or collectible markets, but it feels worse than ever.
In NO WAY AM I CRITICIZING ARTISTS. I want that to be clear. They have to make art, and a living, and publicize. But I feel that its the young "supreme" collector fans that are forcing this phenomenon to exist.
I see many artists like Katrin Fredriks, James Joyce, Mehdi, Madsaki, Hayuk all falling victim to this, as well as hosts of others. And I'm not only talking about prices of works, which I am, but just overall exposure and "Hype".
**EDIT**
I am speaking in part to Instagram, but its more the "supreme mentality" and "instagram type fame" that im talking about, not only literal Instagram consumption. Really the short-term fame is what stands out, and the decreasion duration of success and popularity.
Am I the only one that feels this way?
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by sonmi451 on Oct 16, 2018 18:05:08 GMT 1, Respectfully, I sort of feel the opposite about Instagram for art. Yes, some artists certainly "brand" their art and we (over) consume it... however, Instagram has been great for me personally, as I've gotten to contact artists directly and acquire some nice pieces...
Further, I think it makes "collecting" and admiring art more egalitarian and accessible to everyone, not just a select few who are connected or are fortunate to live in an a city that has popular galleries..
just my two cents...
Respectfully, I sort of feel the opposite about Instagram for art. Yes, some artists certainly "brand" their art and we (over) consume it... however, Instagram has been great for me personally, as I've gotten to contact artists directly and acquire some nice pieces...
Further, I think it makes "collecting" and admiring art more egalitarian and accessible to everyone, not just a select few who are connected or are fortunate to live in an a city that has popular galleries..
just my two cents...
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by Happy Shopper on Oct 16, 2018 18:05:18 GMT 1, I don't see any of those artists listed rising or falling through their use of Instagram.... (maybe Madsaki who has appeared recently through his online relations with Murakami, so we'll see about what happens there.)... most of them were rising before, and in forums like this.
Jerkface is maybe one though. Hebru Brantley.
Josh Sperling? I have no idea about his work, except what I've seen on Instagram... Is he one?
I don't see any of those artists listed rising or falling through their use of Instagram.... (maybe Madsaki who has appeared recently through his online relations with Murakami, so we'll see about what happens there.)... most of them were rising before, and in forums like this.
Jerkface is maybe one though. Hebru Brantley.
Josh Sperling? I have no idea about his work, except what I've seen on Instagram... Is he one?
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 18:07:02 GMT 1, Respectfully, I sort of feel the opposite about Instagram for art. Yes, some artists certainly "brand" their art and we (over) consume it... however, Instagram has been great for me personally, as I've gotten to contact artists directly and acquire some nice pieces... Further, I think it makes "collecting" and admiring art more egalitarian and accessible to everyone, not just a select few who are connected or are fortunate to live in an a city that has popular galleries.. just my two cents...
Respectfully, I sort of feel the opposite about Instagram for art. Yes, some artists certainly "brand" their art and we (over) consume it... however, Instagram has been great for me personally, as I've gotten to contact artists directly and acquire some nice pieces... Further, I think it makes "collecting" and admiring art more egalitarian and accessible to everyone, not just a select few who are connected or are fortunate to live in an a city that has popular galleries.. just my two cents... Yeah, maybe I'm just using instagram the wrong way or following the wrong people. I used to get most of my exposure on this forum, streetartnews, or other places where I was seeking it out. It could be that I'm staring at the wrong feeds and being bombarded by an endless stream of nonsense. |
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 18:10:13 GMT 1, I don't see any of those artists listed rising or falling through their use of Instagram.... (maybe Madsaki who has appeared recently through his online relations with Murakami, so we'll see about what happens there.)... most of them were rising before, and in forums like this. Jerkface is maybe one though. Hebru Brantley. Josh Sperling? I have no idea about his work, except what I've seen on Instagram... Is he one?
I don't see any of those artists listed rising or falling through their use of Instagram.... (maybe Madsaki who has appeared recently through his online relations with Murakami, so we'll see about what happens there.)... most of them were rising before, and in forums like this. Jerkface is maybe one though. Hebru Brantley. Josh Sperling? I have no idea about his work, except what I've seen on Instagram... Is he one? Thanks for your response Happy. I just edited the main post to be more clear. Its not just instagram, its decreasingly short shelf life of artists success and popularity. |
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by sircoxson on Oct 16, 2018 18:25:31 GMT 1, instagram has brought new artists to my attention that I most probably would have never heard of while staying on my frequented websites.
I feel instagram has broadened my art horizon and I am more interested these days in artists not coming from the urban/streeat art scene.
instagram has brought new artists to my attention that I most probably would have never heard of while staying on my frequented websites.
I feel instagram has broadened my art horizon and I am more interested these days in artists not coming from the urban/streeat art scene.
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by Fake on Oct 16, 2018 18:30:30 GMT 1, I think Instagram has taken over part of this forum. People get the information from Instagram and then like a post, instead of sharing it here.
I think Instagram has taken over part of this forum. People get the information from Instagram and then like a post, instead of sharing it here.
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by jasper73 on Oct 16, 2018 18:37:01 GMT 1, Anyone else following Retnas rant
today?
Anyone else following Retnas rant
today?
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by dotdot on Oct 16, 2018 18:37:28 GMT 1, for some it's been good - for one or two (erteests) it's been something they've literally taken to heart and ... ruined it for the "viewer" as a result. (unfollow.. tata)
s'just a tool for a bit - it'll be blasted in a coupla once the adverts .. take it somewhere it ought not.. once too many times.
this place is more or less Plus ça change - not so vicious of late.
for some it's been good - for one or two (erteests) it's been something they've literally taken to heart and ... ruined it for the "viewer" as a result. (unfollow.. tata)
s'just a tool for a bit - it'll be blasted in a coupla once the adverts .. take it somewhere it ought not.. once too many times.
this place is more or less Plus ça change - not so vicious of late.
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by Blakeies on Oct 16, 2018 18:53:22 GMT 1, instagram has brought new artists to my attention that I most probably would have never heard of while staying on my frequented websites. I feel instagram has broadened my art horizon and I am more interested these days in artists not coming from the urban/streeat art scene.
I’d say the same. I keep finding artists that are brand new to me all of the time. I have certainly bought a lot of my favourites pieces direct from artists after finding them on Instagram and then interacting with them.
instagram has brought new artists to my attention that I most probably would have never heard of while staying on my frequented websites. I feel instagram has broadened my art horizon and I am more interested these days in artists not coming from the urban/streeat art scene. I’d say the same. I keep finding artists that are brand new to me all of the time. I have certainly bought a lot of my favourites pieces direct from artists after finding them on Instagram and then interacting with them. |
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by lukin56 on Oct 16, 2018 19:12:54 GMT 1, instagram has brought new artists to my attention that I most probably would have never heard of while staying on my frequented websites. I feel instagram has broadened my art horizon and I am more interested these days in artists not coming from the urban/streeat art scene.
At the end of the day, that saying of "buy what you like" (investment or otherwise) still rings true.
instagram has brought new artists to my attention that I most probably would have never heard of while staying on my frequented websites. I feel instagram has broadened my art horizon and I am more interested these days in artists not coming from the urban/streeat art scene. I agree with this, great in the sense of being exposed to much more art/artists. I had tunnel vision within the art world prior to giving into Instagram. At the end of the day, that saying of "buy what you like" (investment or otherwise) still rings true. |
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 23:44:29 GMT 1, Thanks for the great response guys. It serioussly seeems like there is a better way for me to use Instagram, or a different approach, so...
What do you follow? How do you find new art and artists ? What am I doing wrong ?
Thanks !
Thanks for the great response guys. It serioussly seeems like there is a better way for me to use Instagram, or a different approach, so...
What do you follow? How do you find new art and artists ? What am I doing wrong ?
Thanks !
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by My Name is Frank on Oct 17, 2018 7:48:56 GMT 1, I think Damien Hirst is a great example of how an artist can use Instagram. He has no need to push anything, so instead you get some real insight into his mind and art. Explanations on some of his old work, what inspires him and his thought process, plus silly everyday stuff like UFC!
I think Damien Hirst is a great example of how an artist can use Instagram. He has no need to push anything, so instead you get some real insight into his mind and art. Explanations on some of his old work, what inspires him and his thought process, plus silly everyday stuff like UFC!
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by Max Beales on Oct 17, 2018 8:19:42 GMT 1, I like artists who use instagram as an extension of their artistic practice like bäst with his mannequin painters or when he does collabs with Paul Insect on the puppet/stop motion short videos. They're both great at showing works in progress and studio photographs too.
edit: I'd suggest you be a bit pickier about who you follow and check it less frequently so good stuff builds up and you don't have to wade through rubbish. Also, I'd say avoid the "Discovery/Suggested" page and use the one where you can see the posts artists you follow have liked and find new artists that way, good artists tend to have good taste ha!
I like artists who use instagram as an extension of their artistic practice like bäst with his mannequin painters or when he does collabs with Paul Insect on the puppet/stop motion short videos. They're both great at showing works in progress and studio photographs too.
edit: I'd suggest you be a bit pickier about who you follow and check it less frequently so good stuff builds up and you don't have to wade through rubbish. Also, I'd say avoid the "Discovery/Suggested" page and use the one where you can see the posts artists you follow have liked and find new artists that way, good artists tend to have good taste ha!
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by Roman Emperor on Oct 17, 2018 13:19:36 GMT 1, instagram has brought new artists to my attention that I most probably would have never heard of while staying on my frequented websites. I feel instagram has broadened my art horizon and I am more interested these days in artists not coming from the urban/streeat art scene.
instagram has brought new artists to my attention that I most probably would have never heard of while staying on my frequented websites. I feel instagram has broadened my art horizon and I am more interested these days in artists not coming from the urban/streeat art scene. I fully agree. In my case too Instagram has broadened my art horizon beyond the classical urban/street art dimension in the wider universe of contemporary art, assuming that it exists at all a sharp border among these categorisations. |
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by mushi on Oct 18, 2018 6:06:09 GMT 1, I think i know what you mean OP.
Instagram's own configuration could tickle some people, like me : i use instagram only as a viewer, i follow numerous artists but i have a limited time to go through each post.
I end up scrolling over paintings and other artworks with an amazing speed, saying to myself "not interesting, next, don't like, next, hugh, next, etc...
I surprise myself that i don't pay more attention to paintings that are not appealing at first glance but could be fabulous if you take time to explore it.
Instagram encourage this : judgment at first glance. And it could be dangerous if you don't step back from Instagram time to time.
I think i know what you mean OP.
Instagram's own configuration could tickle some people, like me : i use instagram only as a viewer, i follow numerous artists but i have a limited time to go through each post.
I end up scrolling over paintings and other artworks with an amazing speed, saying to myself "not interesting, next, don't like, next, hugh, next, etc...
I surprise myself that i don't pay more attention to paintings that are not appealing at first glance but could be fabulous if you take time to explore it.
Instagram encourage this : judgment at first glance. And it could be dangerous if you don't step back from Instagram time to time.
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by AoT Framing on Oct 18, 2018 10:10:01 GMT 1, Any platform for exposure to new art can only be a good thing, however, in my experience as a gallery owner, it makes little impact in terms of actual physical sales. I discovered Emma Hopkins through instagram, who currently has 117k followers, decided to get in touch with her as I absolutely love her work, framed up a few of her £100 prints, put them in the shop window and dotted around the gallery for well over a year, but sadly very little interest and just a handful of sales, even with 10k likes + on most of her images. I think instagram works best for established artists/galleries as another marketing tool, but for emerging artists, not convinced.
Any platform for exposure to new art can only be a good thing, however, in my experience as a gallery owner, it makes little impact in terms of actual physical sales. I discovered Emma Hopkins through instagram, who currently has 117k followers, decided to get in touch with her as I absolutely love her work, framed up a few of her £100 prints, put them in the shop window and dotted around the gallery for well over a year, but sadly very little interest and just a handful of sales, even with 10k likes + on most of her images. I think instagram works best for established artists/galleries as another marketing tool, but for emerging artists, not convinced.
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AoT Framing
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by AoT Framing on Oct 18, 2018 15:59:38 GMT 1, AoT not sure thats a good example, I just had a look at her work, amazing, arresting, accessible, very instagrammable, but would you want to live with one on your wall?
AoT not sure thats a good example, I just had a look at her work, amazing, arresting, accessible, very instagrammable, but would you want to live with one on your wall? Yes! |
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by Dive Jedi on Oct 18, 2018 16:13:23 GMT 1, Any platform for exposure to new art can only be a good thing, however, in my experience as a gallery owner, it makes little impact in terms of actual physical sales. I discovered Emma Hopkins through instagram, who currently has 117k followers, decided to get in touch with her as I absolutely love her work, framed up a few of her £100 prints, put them in the shop window and dotted around the gallery for well over a year, but sadly very little interest and just a handful of sales, even with 10k likes + on most of her images. I think instagram works best for established artists/galleries as another marketing tool, but for emerging artists, not convinced.
Her work probably has much more impact as an Original.
Not really for me, but I'm still in my butterfly / Rainbow stage. LOL
Any platform for exposure to new art can only be a good thing, however, in my experience as a gallery owner, it makes little impact in terms of actual physical sales. I discovered Emma Hopkins through instagram, who currently has 117k followers, decided to get in touch with her as I absolutely love her work, framed up a few of her £100 prints, put them in the shop window and dotted around the gallery for well over a year, but sadly very little interest and just a handful of sales, even with 10k likes + on most of her images. I think instagram works best for established artists/galleries as another marketing tool, but for emerging artists, not convinced. That's a bit of a N=1 conclusion. Her work probably has much more impact as an Original. Not really for me, but I'm still in my butterfly / Rainbow stage. LOL |
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by Prescription Art on Oct 18, 2018 16:30:14 GMT 1, Any platform for exposure to new art can only be a good thing, however, in my experience as a gallery owner, it makes little impact in terms of actual physical sales. I discovered Emma Hopkins through instagram, who currently has 117k followers, decided to get in touch with her as I absolutely love her work, framed up a few of her £100 prints, put them in the shop window and dotted around the gallery for well over a year, but sadly very little interest and just a handful of sales, even with 10k likes + on most of her images. I think instagram works best for established artists/galleries as another marketing tool, but for emerging artists, not convinced.
That's Brighton!
Any platform for exposure to new art can only be a good thing, however, in my experience as a gallery owner, it makes little impact in terms of actual physical sales. I discovered Emma Hopkins through instagram, who currently has 117k followers, decided to get in touch with her as I absolutely love her work, framed up a few of her £100 prints, put them in the shop window and dotted around the gallery for well over a year, but sadly very little interest and just a handful of sales, even with 10k likes + on most of her images. I think instagram works best for established artists/galleries as another marketing tool, but for emerging artists, not convinced. That's Brighton! |
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by Happy Shopper on Oct 18, 2018 16:39:08 GMT 1, Looking at a few things on Instagram recently I noticed followers and likes don't always add up to sales.
There was a very popular piece by a certain artist, thousands of likes and hundreds comments requesting for it to be a print, but when it was released as a print it didn't sell out too quickly, and the second print sold out first!
Just shows that instagram followers aren't always the same people that actually buying the art.
Looking at a few things on Instagram recently I noticed followers and likes don't always add up to sales.
There was a very popular piece by a certain artist, thousands of likes and hundreds comments requesting for it to be a print, but when it was released as a print it didn't sell out too quickly, and the second print sold out first!
Just shows that instagram followers aren't always the same people that actually buying the art.
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by Pysgod on Oct 18, 2018 16:46:04 GMT 1, Being famous on instagram is like being rich in monopoly
Being famous on instagram is like being rich in monopoly
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by Dive Jedi on Oct 18, 2018 16:50:55 GMT 1, Looking at a few things on Instagram recently I noticed followers and likes don't always add up to sales. There was a very popular piece by a certain artist, thousands of likes and hundreds comments requesting for it to be a print, but when it was released as a print it didn't sell out too quickly, and the second print sold out first! Just shows that instagram followers aren't always the same people that actually buying the art.
Several people responded ; You should make a T-shirt of that - I would buy it.
So I spent quite a bit of time researching print options, T-shirts, etc. and finally had T-shirt made.
Of course..... none of those enthusiast bought one. Luckily some members here did. 
Think this forum is living proof not everything that people post is necessarily true….
Looking at a few things on Instagram recently I noticed followers and likes don't always add up to sales. There was a very popular piece by a certain artist, thousands of likes and hundreds comments requesting for it to be a print, but when it was released as a print it didn't sell out too quickly, and the second print sold out first! Just shows that instagram followers aren't always the same people that actually buying the art. I posted a pretty cool shark photo on Facebook a while , in an underwater photography group. Several people responded ; You should make a T-shirt of that - I would buy it. So I spent quite a bit of time researching print options, T-shirts, etc. and finally had T-shirt made. Of course..... none of those enthusiast bought one. Luckily some members here did. Think this forum is living proof not everything that people post is necessarily true…. |
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Instagram, what you have DONE !?!?!, by hungry on Oct 18, 2018 19:00:06 GMT 1, Yea I definitely use IG as a way to explore new artists. Definitely have bought a few works through messaging/befriending artists on IG. It's best used when taking the time to look through each new artist you discover imo.
Agree that even if an artist has a massive following, it does not necessarily lead to sales nor an uptick in pricing. In fact, there are many well known artists in the community that sell their works for $$$$ easily and have a relatively low following on IG.
And the thing with most of the people saying "make it a print"...they are saying it with an unrealistic price point in mind most of the time 
Yea I definitely use IG as a way to explore new artists. Definitely have bought a few works through messaging/befriending artists on IG. It's best used when taking the time to look through each new artist you discover imo. Agree that even if an artist has a massive following, it does not necessarily lead to sales nor an uptick in pricing. In fact, there are many well known artists in the community that sell their works for $$$$ easily and have a relatively low following on IG. And the thing with most of the people saying "make it a print"...they are saying it with an unrealistic price point in mind most of the time |
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