pdjones512
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Print Price Opinion, by pdjones512 on Dec 28, 2018 2:12:22 GMT 1, Not sure exactly where to post this so forgive me if its in the wrong section.
Regarding print values obviously the A/P and probably like the first 1-10 numbered prints of an edition go for a higher price. but once you get past those "special" first run pieces does anyone have compelling reasoning to say that the lower numbers versus the higher numbers in an edition are more or less valuable?
say its an edition of 300. is there any significant value difference in #15/300 . versus #210/300? and what about the very last numbers say 299/300 . or 300/300? i've heard people swear by both sides of this debate and wanted to ask if there were any strong opinions one way or the other?
Not sure exactly where to post this so forgive me if its in the wrong section.
Regarding print values obviously the A/P and probably like the first 1-10 numbered prints of an edition go for a higher price. but once you get past those "special" first run pieces does anyone have compelling reasoning to say that the lower numbers versus the higher numbers in an edition are more or less valuable?
say its an edition of 300. is there any significant value difference in #15/300 . versus #210/300? and what about the very last numbers say 299/300 . or 300/300? i've heard people swear by both sides of this debate and wanted to ask if there were any strong opinions one way or the other?
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cest
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Print Price Opinion, by cest on Dec 28, 2018 2:29:13 GMT 1, Absolutely no difference. In my opinion the only things that make a difference are the ap's. Sometimes you get lucky and get a very low number, sometimes the last couple but either way it is an Edition and all the prints are fungible
Absolutely no difference. In my opinion the only things that make a difference are the ap's. Sometimes you get lucky and get a very low number, sometimes the last couple but either way it is an Edition and all the prints are fungible
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bbperez1
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Print Price Opinion, by bbperez1 on Dec 28, 2018 6:18:34 GMT 1, I could make an argument for let’s say PPs or APs but I don’t see the difference between edition numbers. It doesn’t make a difference whether you have 1-10 or 99/100..
Now, here’s a question I’ve talked to a few friends about. . What impact on the value of a print edition do APs and PPs in the market have on the regular edition? Let’s say an edition of 100 all of a sudden there’s 10APs and 5PPs.. there’s all of a sudden 15% more of the print on the market.. and to further compact the issue relating back to the OPs point.. we now value that 15% as more valuable to the consumer.
I could make an argument for let’s say PPs or APs but I don’t see the difference between edition numbers. It doesn’t make a difference whether you have 1-10 or 99/100..
Now, here’s a question I’ve talked to a few friends about. . What impact on the value of a print edition do APs and PPs in the market have on the regular edition? Let’s say an edition of 100 all of a sudden there’s 10APs and 5PPs.. there’s all of a sudden 15% more of the print on the market.. and to further compact the issue relating back to the OPs point.. we now value that 15% as more valuable to the consumer.
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Print Price Opinion, by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 11:12:07 GMT 1, I don't see why print #2/300 should go for a higher price than #285/300. They're exactly the same, aren't they?
I don't see why print #2/300 should go for a higher price than #285/300. They're exactly the same, aren't they?
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blerd
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Print Price Opinion, by blerd on Dec 28, 2018 11:55:10 GMT 1, I could make an argument for let’s say PPs or APs but I don’t see the difference between edition numbers. It doesn’t make a difference whether you have 1-10 or 99/100.. Now, here’s a question I’ve talked to a few friends about. . What impact on the value of a print edition do APs and PPs in the market have on the regular edition? Let’s say an edition of 100 all of a sudden there’s 10APs and 5PPs.. there’s all of a sudden 15% more of the print on the market.. and to further compact the issue relating back to the OPs point.. we now value that 15% as more valuable to the consumer.
I could make an argument for let’s say PPs or APs but I don’t see the difference between edition numbers. It doesn’t make a difference whether you have 1-10 or 99/100.. Now, here’s a question I’ve talked to a few friends about. . What impact on the value of a print edition do APs and PPs in the market have on the regular edition? Let’s say an edition of 100 all of a sudden there’s 10APs and 5PPs.. there’s all of a sudden 15% more of the print on the market.. and to further compact the issue relating back to the OPs point.. we now value that 15% as more valuable to the consumer. I could see how number 1 of an edition would be more valuable, as this is usually set aside for the Artist. I'd also put PP's over AP's but that's a whole other argument. |
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galaxy01
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Print Price Opinion, by galaxy01 on Dec 28, 2018 12:02:53 GMT 1, PP and AP may got for a little higher IF someone likes to have them. I generally would save money and buy a normal edition. Some APs are quite different to the PP and Edition as they are the first drafts which may have changed, making them that bit more special. However in most cases the AP is very similar if not identical to the edition and pp.
As such I personally only value an AP worth the extra if it has a reasonable uniqueness to it to be worth the extra value.
PP and AP may got for a little higher IF someone likes to have them. I generally would save money and buy a normal edition. Some APs are quite different to the PP and Edition as they are the first drafts which may have changed, making them that bit more special. However in most cases the AP is very similar if not identical to the edition and pp.
As such I personally only value an AP worth the extra if it has a reasonable uniqueness to it to be worth the extra value.
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Dive Jedi
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Print Price Opinion, by Dive Jedi on Dec 28, 2018 12:52:07 GMT 1, I don't see why print #2/300 should go for a higher price than #285/300. They're exactly the same, aren't they?
Some people just like round numbers - me included.
I would rather have #5 , 25, 100 etc then 29, 41 or 87.
Not worth more though. As you say, they are the same.
Some believe the first numbers are better quality, since they are printed first.
This is however unlikley, since the artist is not next to the printing machine signing each one.
That is usually done in a signing session, so all prints are mixed up anyway.
I don't see why print #2/300 should go for a higher price than #285/300. They're exactly the same, aren't they? Yes. Some people just like round numbers - me included. I would rather have #5 , 25, 100 etc then 29, 41 or 87. Not worth more though. As you say, they are the same. Some believe the first numbers are better quality, since they are printed first. This is however unlikley, since the artist is not next to the printing machine signing each one. That is usually done in a signing session, so all prints are mixed up anyway. |
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pdjones512
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Print Price Opinion, by pdjones512 on Dec 28, 2018 12:56:24 GMT 1, I could make an argument for let’s say PPs or APs but I don’t see the difference between edition numbers. It doesn’t make a difference whether you have 1-10 or 99/100.. Now, here’s a question I’ve talked to a few friends about. . What impact on the value of a print edition do APs and PPs in the market have on the regular edition? Let’s say an edition of 100 all of a sudden there’s 10APs and 5PPs.. there’s all of a sudden 15% more of the print on the market.. and to further compact the issue relating back to the OPs point.. we now value that 15% as more valuable to the consumer.
Agreed! Also a question I've wondered about
I could make an argument for let’s say PPs or APs but I don’t see the difference between edition numbers. It doesn’t make a difference whether you have 1-10 or 99/100.. Now, here’s a question I’ve talked to a few friends about. . What impact on the value of a print edition do APs and PPs in the market have on the regular edition? Let’s say an edition of 100 all of a sudden there’s 10APs and 5PPs.. there’s all of a sudden 15% more of the print on the market.. and to further compact the issue relating back to the OPs point.. we now value that 15% as more valuable to the consumer. Agreed! Also a question I've wondered about |
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pdjones512
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Print Price Opinion, by pdjones512 on Dec 28, 2018 12:57:36 GMT 1, I don't see why print #2/300 should go for a higher price than #285/300. They're exactly the same, aren't they?
True, in all logical terms. But I've heard from more than a few well experienced people in the field that "lower numbers are always better than higher"
I don't see why print #2/300 should go for a higher price than #285/300. They're exactly the same, aren't they? True, in all logical terms. But I've heard from more than a few well experienced people in the field that "lower numbers are always better than higher" |
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Print Price Opinion, by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 13:48:09 GMT 1, I don't see why print #2/300 should go for a higher price than #285/300. They're exactly the same, aren't they? True, in all logical terms. But I've heard from more than a few well experienced people in the field that "lower numbers are always better than higher"
Please correct me anybody, if I am wrong.
Ae there any modern printing techniques that, in effect, give a better quality print for low numbers than high numbers?
I don't see why print #2/300 should go for a higher price than #285/300. They're exactly the same, aren't they? True, in all logical terms. But I've heard from more than a few well experienced people in the field that "lower numbers are always better than higher" I think it depends on what you are collecting. This myth came about from ancient times when artists like Rembrandt issued prints from a copper plate. Early numbered prints were from a fresh copper plate which had not been worn down by lots of printings. In that case, early-numbered prints were far better than later-numbered prints. But that doesn't really apply with modern printing techniques. Nowadays they are all exactly the same. Please correct me anybody, if I am wrong. Ae there any modern printing techniques that, in effect, give a better quality print for low numbers than high numbers? |
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chr1s
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Print Price Opinion, by chr1s on Dec 28, 2018 15:55:30 GMT 1, True, in all logical terms. But I've heard from more than a few well experienced people in the field that "lower numbers are always better than higher" I think it depends on what you are collecting. This myth came about from ancient times when artists like Rembrandt issued prints from a copper plate. Early numbered prints were from a fresh copper plate which had not been worn down by lots of printings. In that case, early-numbered prints were far better than later-numbered prints. But that doesn't really apply with modern printing techniques. Nowadays they are all exactly the same. Please correct me anybody, if I am wrong. Ae there any modern printing techniques that, in effect, give a better quality print for low numbers than high numbers?
And when it comes to screen printing there should be no difference visually between the P/Ps (printer's proofs), the A/Ps (artists proofs) and the regular edition. If printed properly every screen print should look identical. And typically nobody is keeping track of which prints were done first or last. And you should always assume that in any edition there are an additional 10% which are A/Ps, and a few more that will be P/Ps depending on how many printer's were involved in producing the print. When I worked as a printmaker there was usually 1 printer's proof for the studio owner and 1 printer's proofs for each printer producing the actual print.
True, in all logical terms. But I've heard from more than a few well experienced people in the field that "lower numbers are always better than higher" I think it depends on what you are collecting. This myth came about from ancient times when artists like Rembrandt issued prints from a copper plate. Early numbered prints were from a fresh copper plate which had not been worn down by lots of printings. In that case, early-numbered prints were far better than later-numbered prints. But that doesn't really apply with modern printing techniques. Nowadays they are all exactly the same. Please correct me anybody, if I am wrong. Ae there any modern printing techniques that, in effect, give a better quality print for low numbers than high numbers? When it comes to printing etchings that used to be the case before people started electroplating. Plates would start to break down and lose clarity and detail. You can look at Rembrandt engravings and tell which ones were printed earlier. And Rembrandt didn't number his prints. Today the numbering often has nothing to do with the order that the works were printed. Studios don't often have the prints signed and numbered in same order they were produced. And when it comes to screen printing there should be no difference visually between the P/Ps (printer's proofs), the A/Ps (artists proofs) and the regular edition. If printed properly every screen print should look identical. And typically nobody is keeping track of which prints were done first or last. And you should always assume that in any edition there are an additional 10% which are A/Ps, and a few more that will be P/Ps depending on how many printer's were involved in producing the print. When I worked as a printmaker there was usually 1 printer's proof for the studio owner and 1 printer's proofs for each printer producing the actual print. |
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thriftypix
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Print Price Opinion, by thriftypix on Dec 29, 2018 6:08:22 GMT 1, And then, just to confuse things... in the “fine art” print world (you know, the posh galleries and all that), there’s the well-known practice of increasing the print price as an edition is sold. That’s right: the LEAST expensive print is #1, and the MOST expensive is the final print in the edition – the notion being that as the edition is sold, the print (available for purchase) becomes more rare, thus more desirable. The price bump can be quite significant. Whether that affects the relative secondary market resale value of prints in an edition (less for lower-numbered prints and more for higher-numbered prints), I’ve no idea. I’ll leave that up to the fancy-pants members here to answer... ;-)
And then, just to confuse things... in the “fine art” print world (you know, the posh galleries and all that), there’s the well-known practice of increasing the print price as an edition is sold. That’s right: the LEAST expensive print is #1, and the MOST expensive is the final print in the edition – the notion being that as the edition is sold, the print (available for purchase) becomes more rare, thus more desirable. The price bump can be quite significant. Whether that affects the relative secondary market resale value of prints in an edition (less for lower-numbered prints and more for higher-numbered prints), I’ve no idea. I’ll leave that up to the fancy-pants members here to answer... ;-)
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