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Originals by Loretto, by uas on Jan 9, 2019 22:10:09 GMT 1, We have just acquired 2 large original canvases by the artist, Loretto.
Both pieces are about 1.8 to 2.0m, canvas stretched on a wood frame.
The first piece is "Jesus as an anarchist" and the second piece is "the queen smoking a cigar".
Loretto is a London based graffiti artist who many believe is originally from South London and has been active for the last 10 years.
He started grabbing the attention of the media in the last 8 years, having appeared in several publications.
Some of his older pieces can still be found and seen in diverse areas around London. He has recently done work featuring Theresa May and Corbyn.
He is described as being a prolific artist, offering original contemporary images, using a stencil and spray paint technique.
His work has two different sides: one is the satirical view of celebrities, the other focuses on aspects of human nature and psychology.
Loretto doesn’t have a personal social media presence or website and his identity remains a secret.
Before we post the pieces on our website we wanted to give members of UAA first dibs.
We have provenance for both pieces.
DM if interested.
We have just acquired 2 large original canvases by the artist, Loretto. Both pieces are about 1.8 to 2.0m, canvas stretched on a wood frame. The first piece is "Jesus as an anarchist" and the second piece is "the queen smoking a cigar". Loretto is a London based graffiti artist who many believe is originally from South London and has been active for the last 10 years. He started grabbing the attention of the media in the last 8 years, having appeared in several publications. Some of his older pieces can still be found and seen in diverse areas around London. He has recently done work featuring Theresa May and Corbyn. He is described as being a prolific artist, offering original contemporary images, using a stencil and spray paint technique. His work has two different sides: one is the satirical view of celebrities, the other focuses on aspects of human nature and psychology. Loretto doesn’t have a personal social media presence or website and his identity remains a secret. Before we post the pieces on our website we wanted to give members of UAA first dibs. We have provenance for both pieces. DM if interested. |
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Originals by Loretto, by gd79 on Jan 9, 2019 23:10:17 GMT 1, The queen... Wow.
The queen... Wow.
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Originals by Loretto, by warwolf on Jan 9, 2019 23:44:49 GMT 1,
The left hand mind
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Originals by Loretto, by met on Jan 10, 2019 5:52:17 GMT 1, We have just acquired 2 large original canvases by the artist, Loretto. Both pieces are about 1.8 to 2.0m, canvas stretched on a wood frame. The first piece is "Jesus as an anarchist" and the second piece is "the queen smoking a cigar". Loretto is a London based graffiti artist who many believe is originally from South London and has been active for the last 10 years. He started grabbing the attention of the media in the last 8 years, having appeared in several publications. Some of his older pieces can still be found and seen in diverse areas around London. He has recently done work featuring Theresa May and Corbyn. He is described as being a prolific artist, offering original contemporary images, using a stencil and spray paint technique. His work has two different sides: one is the satirical view of celebrities, the other focuses on aspects of human nature and psychology. Loretto doesn’t have a personal social media presence or website and his identity remains a secret. Before we post the pieces on our website we wanted to give members of UAA first dibs. We have provenance for both pieces. DM if interested.  [...]  [...]
What the offer of these paintings says to me is that, on the curation side, Urban Art Space doesn't really know what it's doing.
There is a failure to discriminate here. A failure to properly edit. It suggests you have yet to develop a strong eye. You're not distinguishing the good from the bad. Hence, my impression is one of you being a relative art novice. Either that, or the interest you've taken over the years in street / urban art (and contemporary art more broadly) has been less proactive than passive.
If backers were to ask for an opinion in this case, I'd tell them you appear insufficiently astute, and too inexperienced an art enthusiast for this specific facet of the business to have reasonable prospects of success.
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To minimise possible confusion, it's worth emphasising my admiration for people who take risks and actually do things, especially when outside their comfort zone. I love witnessing any kind of fuck-you, DIY spirit.
Notwithstanding the above, my esteem is largely reserved for individuals who manage to push through visions that are innovative or progressive.
Conversely, when entrepreneurship in the art market is used to promote hackneyed and derivative work, that is arguably even worse than a missed opportunity. I would deem it closer to being an own goal — but an own goal which also has potential to reflect poorly on the credibility of an entire art genre. [It is this latter aspect which often prompts me to comment, when I could instead save time by simply remaining silent.]
We have just acquired 2 large original canvases by the artist, Loretto. Both pieces are about 1.8 to 2.0m, canvas stretched on a wood frame. The first piece is "Jesus as an anarchist" and the second piece is "the queen smoking a cigar". Loretto is a London based graffiti artist who many believe is originally from South London and has been active for the last 10 years. He started grabbing the attention of the media in the last 8 years, having appeared in several publications. Some of his older pieces can still be found and seen in diverse areas around London. He has recently done work featuring Theresa May and Corbyn. He is described as being a prolific artist, offering original contemporary images, using a stencil and spray paint technique. His work has two different sides: one is the satirical view of celebrities, the other focuses on aspects of human nature and psychology. Loretto doesn’t have a personal social media presence or website and his identity remains a secret. Before we post the pieces on our website we wanted to give members of UAA first dibs. We have provenance for both pieces. DM if interested. [...] [...] What the offer of these paintings says to me is that, on the curation side, Ur ban Art Space doesn't really know what it's doing. There is a failure to discriminate here. A failure to properly edit. It suggests you have yet to develop a strong eye. You're not distinguishing the good from the bad. Hence, my impression is one of you being a relative art novice. Either that, or the interest you've taken over the years in str eet / ur ban art (and contemporary art more broadly) has been less proactive than passive. If backers were to ask for an opinion in this case, I'd tell them you appear insufficiently astute, and too inexperienced an art enthusiast for this specific facet of the business to have reasonable prospects of success. __________ To minimise possible confusion, it's worth emphasising my admiration for people who take risks and actually do things, especially when outside their comfort zone. I love witnessing any kind of fu ck-you, DIY spirit. Notwithstanding the above, my esteem is largely reserved for individuals who manage to push through visions that are innovative or progressive. Conversely, when entrepreneurship in the art market is used to promote hackneyed and derivative work, that is arguably even worse than a missed opportunity. I would deem it closer to being an own goal — but an own goal which also has potential to reflect poorly on the credibility of an entire art genre. [It is this latter aspect which often prompts me to comment, when I could instead save time by simply remaining silent.] |
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uas
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Originals by Loretto, by uas on Jan 10, 2019 9:11:51 GMT 1, Met, you claim that we cannot distinguish between the good and bad.
Out of interest, what qualifies you to be The Art Police, apart from your name?
"If some of this art is not for you, that's fine. Art appreciation is a subjective matter, and we each bring our own experience, knowledge and taste to the party" -Michael Audain
We believe that everyone is entitled to like what they like, and not like what they don't like. What we don't believe in is the elitist, arrogant and pompous attitude, that your view is the only view and you are somehow artistically superior and right!
Met, you claim that we cannot distinguish between the good and bad.
Out of interest, what qualifies you to be The Art Police, apart from your name?
"If some of this art is not for you, that's fine. Art appreciation is a subjective matter, and we each bring our own experience, knowledge and taste to the party" -Michael Audain
We believe that everyone is entitled to like what they like, and not like what they don't like. What we don't believe in is the elitist, arrogant and pompous attitude, that your view is the only view and you are somehow artistically superior and right!
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Originals by Loretto, by rjf76 on Jan 10, 2019 10:04:34 GMT 1, ...gosh! (Credit: .dappy)
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wardance
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Originals by Loretto, by wardance on Jan 10, 2019 10:20:29 GMT 1, "This is a chord....this is another...this is a third. Now form a band." Excellent approach, but it doesn't make you The Sex Pistols, The Damned, The Clash etc
"This is a scalpel...this is card...and this is a spray can." Excellent idea, but it doesn't make you an artist.
"This is a chord....this is another...this is a third. Now form a band." Excellent approach, but it doesn't make you The Sex Pistols, The Damned, The Clash etc
"This is a scalpel...this is card...and this is a spray can." Excellent idea, but it doesn't make you an artist.
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Originals by Loretto, by avec art on Jan 10, 2019 10:23:34 GMT 1, I don't think Met is trying to be superior, but just stating opinion, which is usually pretty well thought out, and whose ideas may well be worth considering. The works in question may not be so bad. Jesus in spite of the wholesome image we are generally presented with was of course a rebel and an anti establishment figure. In this painting, he's confiding in the viewer and inviting us to share in his secret.
Our beloved Queen painting .. well whilst perhaps not the most aesthetically pleasing image I've ever seen is amusing and it's curious to see her in a state we're not normally privy to, reminding us that she is also human.
I don't think Met is trying to be superior, but just stating opinion, which is usually pretty well thought out, and whose ideas may well be worth considering. The works in question may not be so bad. Jesus in spite of the wholesome image we are generally presented with was of course a rebel and an anti establishment figure. In this painting, he's confiding in the viewer and inviting us to share in his secret.
Our beloved Queen painting .. well whilst perhaps not the most aesthetically pleasing image I've ever seen is amusing and it's curious to see her in a state we're not normally privy to, reminding us that she is also human.
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uas
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Originals by Loretto, by uas on Jan 10, 2019 11:02:37 GMT 1, " This is a chord....this is another...this is a third. Now form a band." Excellent approach, but it doesn't make you The Sex Pistols, The Damned, The Clash etc " This is a scalpel...this is card...and this is a spray can." Excellent idea, but it doesn't make you an artist.
John Lydon says he knew Sid Vicious had no musical talent when he joined the Sex Pistols – but the vocalist thought it would develop the same way his own had.
Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/155598/originals-loretto?page=1#ixzz5cCJHWS9U
" This is a chord....this is another...this is a third. Now form a band." Excellent approach, but it doesn't make you The Sex Pistols, The Damned, The Clash etc " This is a scalpel...this is card...and this is a spray can." Excellent idea, but it doesn't make you an artist. Sorry, isn't that exactly how The Sex Pistols started? John Lydon says he knew Sid Vicious had no musical talent when he joined the Sex Pistols – but the vocalist thought it would develop the same way his own had. Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/155598/originals-loretto?page=1#ixzz5cCJHWS9U |
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Originals by Loretto, by Matt on Jan 10, 2019 11:37:33 GMT 1, " This is a chord....this is another...this is a third. Now form a band." Excellent approach, but it doesn't make you The Sex Pistols, The Damned, The Clash etc " This is a scalpel...this is card...and this is a spray can." Excellent idea, but it doesn't make you an artist. Sorry, isn't that exactly how The Sex Pistols started? John Lydon says he knew Sid Vicious had no musical talent when he joined the Sex Pistols – but the vocalist thought it would develop the same way his own had. Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/155598/originals-loretto?page=1#ixzz5cCJHWS9U
Missing the point...
The fact that some legendary punk bands weren't musical virtuosos, doesn't mean that anyone who can't play is a legendary punk.
I wish you good luck in your venture, it's a big market there is a lot of room for all kinds of players.
However based solely on what you have shown so far (lego portrait, derivative stencilling to the n-th degree) I would agree that your curation and/or scouting skills are still to be proven...
" This is a chord....this is another...this is a third. Now form a band." Excellent approach, but it doesn't make you The Sex Pistols, The Damned, The Clash etc " This is a scalpel...this is card...and this is a spray can." Excellent idea, but it doesn't make you an artist. Sorry, isn't that exactly how The Sex Pistols started? John Lydon says he knew Sid Vicious had no musical talent when he joined the Sex Pistols – but the vocalist thought it would develop the same way his own had. Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/155598/originals-loretto?page=1#ixzz5cCJHWS9UMissing the point... The fact that some legendary punk bands weren't musical virtuosos, doesn't mean that anyone who can't play is a legendary punk. I wish you good luck in your venture, it's a big market there is a lot of room for all kinds of players. However based solely on what you have shown so far (lego portrait, derivative stencilling to the n-th degree) I would agree that your curation and/or scouting skills are still to be proven... |
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Originals by Loretto, by Masong on Jan 10, 2019 11:51:29 GMT 1, Jesus has some seriously long legs. No wonder he stood out from the rest
Jesus has some seriously long legs. No wonder he stood out from the rest
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Originals by Loretto, by mojo on Jan 10, 2019 13:07:48 GMT 1, If Loretto has been so prolific for 10years why hasn't anyone on here ever heard of them and where are the 'several publications' they have featured in? What aspect of human nature and psychology are apparent in these images?, George Bush Jnr dressed in a tiara and lingerie smoking a fag as the queen and a 12ft 'Jesus' with an anarchy sign do not demonstrate this statement. Sorry but in reality there is no technical ability using stencil and spray paint evident in these images as there is no definition, detail and they are very blurry and the paint patchy. It also lacks any perspective. Sorry to be such a downer on it but we're a tough crowd on here as most have been into creating and collecting art for 20 years+. Do you or Loretto have a background/experience in art or are you self taught?
If Loretto has been so prolific for 10years why hasn't anyone on here ever heard of them and where are the 'several publications' they have featured in? What aspect of human nature and psychology are apparent in these images?, George Bush Jnr dressed in a tiara and lingerie smoking a fag as the queen and a 12ft 'Jesus' with an anarchy sign do not demonstrate this statement. Sorry but in reality there is no technical ability using stencil and spray paint evident in these images as there is no definition, detail and they are very blurry and the paint patchy. It also lacks any perspective. Sorry to be such a downer on it but we're a tough crowd on here as most have been into creating and collecting art for 20 years+. Do you or Loretto have a background/experience in art or are you self taught?
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Originals by Loretto, by Happy Shopper on Jan 10, 2019 13:12:01 GMT 1, I see this guy's work around town a lot... and never liked it to be honest.
He'd have done better around 10 years ago.
Unless you're Banksy, or maybe Blek, etc, the days of this style stencil are over.
I see this guy's work around town a lot... and never liked it to be honest.
He'd have done better around 10 years ago.
Unless you're Banksy, or maybe Blek, etc, the days of this style stencil are over.
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Originals by Loretto, by Coach on Jan 10, 2019 13:20:39 GMT 1, Met, you claim that we cannot distinguish between the good and bad. Out of interest, what qualifies you to be The Art Police, apart from your name? " If some of this art is not for you, that's fine. Art appreciation is a subjective matter, and we each bring our own experience, knowledge and taste to the party" -Michael Audain We believe that everyone is entitled to like what they like, and not like what they don't like. What we don't believe in is the elitist, arrogant and pompous attitude, that your view is the only view and you are somehow artistically superior and right!
I don’t hold with the argument that all art and it’s apprciation is subjective.
While different people like different things, I am firmly of the opinion that it is justifiable to say that some art is simply bad.
Met, you claim that we cannot distinguish between the good and bad. Out of interest, what qualifies you to be The Art Police, apart from your name? " If some of this art is not for you, that's fine. Art appreciation is a subjective matter, and we each bring our own experience, knowledge and taste to the party" -Michael Audain We believe that everyone is entitled to like what they like, and not like what they don't like. What we don't believe in is the elitist, arrogant and pompous attitude, that your view is the only view and you are somehow artistically superior and right! I don’t hold with the argument that all art and it’s apprciation is subjective. While different people like different things, I am firmly of the opinion that it is justifiable to say that some art is simply bad. |
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Originals by Loretto, by uas on Jan 10, 2019 13:22:42 GMT 1, We suppose that the likes from people on Instagram about these pieces don't count as they are not 20 plus year art collectors' who don't have a clue and shouldn't be entitled to?
We suppose that the likes from people on Instagram about these pieces don't count as they are not 20 plus year art collectors' who don't have a clue and shouldn't be entitled to?
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Originals by Loretto, by Schrödinger's Chat on Jan 10, 2019 13:52:17 GMT 1, At £1k a piece and 2 metres tall I'm guessing your target market has deep pockets, big walls and questionable taste.
At £1k a piece and 2 metres tall I'm guessing your target market has deep pockets, big walls and questionable taste.
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Originals by Loretto, by k2 on Jan 10, 2019 14:00:50 GMT 1, We suppose that the likes from people on Instagram about these pieces don't count as they are not 20 plus year art collectors' who don't have a clue and shouldn't be entitled to?
Just a heads up, the defensive attitude isn’t a good look.
Some people like it - that’s great. Others don’t, that’s fine too. If you don’t want people to express an opinion, maybe don’t post it on a forum.
We suppose that the likes from people on Instagram about these pieces don't count as they are not 20 plus year art collectors' who don't have a clue and shouldn't be entitled to? Just a heads up, the defensive attitude isn’t a good look. Some people like it - that’s great. Others don’t, that’s fine too. If you don’t want people to express an opinion, maybe don’t post it on a forum. |
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Originals by Loretto, by lorraballs on Jan 10, 2019 20:48:15 GMT 1, We suppose that the likes from people on Instagram about these pieces don't count as they are not 20 plus year art collectors' who don't have a clue and shouldn't be entitled to?
Yeah, well some folk will buy any old shit.
Go. Learn. Or don’t. Your choice. This is, however, objectively shit.
Edit - just realised you tried to justify your position by quoting Instagram likes. Wow.
We suppose that the likes from people on Instagram about these pieces don't count as they are not 20 plus year art collectors' who don't have a clue and shouldn't be entitled to? Yeah, well some folk will buy any old sh it. Go. Learn. Or don’t. Your choice. This is, however, objectively sh it. Edit - just realised you tried to justify your position by quoting Instagram likes. Wow. |
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Originals by Loretto, by oldraver on Jan 10, 2019 21:00:55 GMT 1, oh my god... I see his rubbish while in central London all the time and I so want to paint over it.
Then do it.
oh my god... I see his rubbish while in central London all the time and I so want to paint over it. Then do it. |
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Originals by Loretto, by Coach on Jan 10, 2019 23:14:47 GMT 1, So maybe don’t bring this derrivative turgids**t on here and stick to peddling your absolutelys**te artists on Instagram? Just a thought
Stop sitting on the bloody fence biggie!
So maybe don’t bring this derrivative turgids**t on here and stick to peddling your absolutelys**te artists on Instagram? Just a thought Stop sitting on the bloody fence biggie! |
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Originals by Loretto, by met on Feb 11, 2019 17:28:13 GMT 1, Met, you claim that we cannot distinguish between the good and bad. Out of interest, what qualifies you to be The Art Police, apart from your name? "If some of this art is not for you, that's fine. Art appreciation is a subjective matter, and we each bring our own experience, knowledge and taste to the party" -Michael AudainWe believe that everyone is entitled to like what they like, and not like what they don't like. What we don't believe in is the elitist, arrogant and pompous attitude, that your view is the only view and you are somehow artistically superior and right!
Sorry for the late follow-up.
After reading through the posts added since my initial comment — and given the general direction of opinion expressed by other thread participants — I've mixed feelings about engaging here further. It seems unsportsmanlike at this stage. And I don't wish to be associated with pack behaviour.
However, there is a wider issue worth addressing because it's a recurring one on the forum. It ties in with your quote by Michael Audain. He is merely stating the obvious about art appreciation, which is of course subjective and informed by each person's own experience, knowledge and taste.
But a random individual's art appreciation is also distinct from what constitutes good art.
My impression is that you are confusing and conflating these two notions.
Met, you claim that we cannot distinguish between the good and bad. Out of interest, what qualifies you to be The Art Police, apart from your name? "If some of this art is not for you, that's fine. Art appreciation is a subjective matter, and we each bring our own experience, knowledge and taste to the party" -Michael AudainWe believe that everyone is entitled to like what they like, and not like what they don't like. What we don't believe in is the elitist, arrogant and pompous attitude, that your view is the only view and you are somehow artistically superior and right! Sorry for the late follow-up. After reading through the posts added since my initial comment — and given the general direction of opinion expressed by other thread participants — I've mixed feelings about engaging here further. It seems unsportsmanlike at this stage. And I don't wish to be associated with pack behaviour. However, there is a wider issue worth addressing because it's a recurring one on the forum. It ties in with your quote by Michael Audain. He is merely stating the obvious about art appreciation, which is of course subjective and informed by each person's own experience, knowledge and taste. But a random individual's art appreciation is also distinct from what constitutes good art. My impression is that you are confusing and conflating these two notions. |
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Originals by Loretto, by swissmade on Apr 25, 2019 19:49:02 GMT 1, Walking around street of London came across this artist at work, I know nothing about him so I took a photo.
Walking around street of London came across this artist at work, I know nothing about him so I took a photo. |
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