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Flipping: Should instant for sale threads be allowed?, by Deleted on Jun 21, 2019 10:44:30 GMT 1, "If a piece never sold for more than what it was cost, you wouldn't have artists who were successful which in turn would mean less art."
How do you work that out? Artists don't get any money from flippers. If there are x number of prints in existence, and then flippers sell half of them at inflated prices, that doesn't help the artist in any way at all.
"If a piece never sold for more than what it was cost, you wouldn't have artists who were successful which in turn would mean less art."
How do you work that out? Artists don't get any money from flippers. If there are x number of prints in existence, and then flippers sell half of them at inflated prices, that doesn't help the artist in any way at all.
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purpleandred
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Flipping: Should instant for sale threads be allowed?, by purpleandred on Jun 21, 2019 11:38:12 GMT 1, Agreed to a point - what if you donโt get a piece because you were beaten to it by a flipper? Then you have to pay more for the same thing. I donโt mind being beaten to it by someone whoโs going to love it... I cared when I first began collecting, but slowly got over it. I think it's all part of an Artists life cycle. If a piece never sold for more than what it was cost, you wouldn't have artists who were successful which in turn would mean less art. I think Shephard Fairey had a good article on it, but I disagreed to a point because he was already a massive success with a clothing line that runs in parallel. I think it would be flattering as an artist to see that so many people wanted your work that it in turn it appreciated immediately, driving up future releases and becoming a sustainable career instead of just a hobby. I will also say, it's different when someone pops up with 1 post and uses the forum as an offloading fee free platform with no contribution to this community vs someone who's been here for years and offers up insight and discussions in addition to using the sales section. mate, you are the worst flipper on this site. pole position.
I can't believe Christian and co. at Avant actually still sell to you.
You're by no means the only one but in my opinion the worst of the bunch - a serial offender and shameless about it. Keeping a print for 3/4 months is still flipping. As an example, the amount of PINS you've had access to which were kept out of others hands is precisely what's wrong with the state of play.
I'm not even going to bother responding to your reply but I'm sure others will delight in your attempt to justify your behaviour/actions on this forum.
Agreed to a point - what if you donโt get a piece because you were beaten to it by a flipper? Then you have to pay more for the same thing. I donโt mind being beaten to it by someone whoโs going to love it... I cared when I first began collecting, but slowly got over it. I think it's all part of an Artists life cycle. If a piece never sold for more than what it was cost, you wouldn't have artists who were successful which in turn would mean less art. I think Shephard Fairey had a good article on it, but I disagreed to a point because he was already a massive success with a clothing line that runs in parallel. I think it would be flattering as an artist to see that so many people wanted your work that it in turn it appreciated immediately, driving up future releases and becoming a sustainable career instead of just a hobby. I will also say, it's different when someone pops up with 1 post and uses the forum as an offloading fee free platform with no contribution to this community vs someone who's been here for years and offers up insight and discussions in addition to using the sales section. mate, you are the worst flipper on this site. pole position.
I can't believe Christian and co. at Avant actually still sell to you.
You're by no means the only one but in my opinion the worst of the bunch - a serial offender and shameless about it. Keeping a print for 3/4 months is still flipping. As an example, the amount of PINS you've had access to which were kept out of others hands is precisely what's wrong with the state of play. I'm not even going to bother responding to your reply but I'm sure others will delight in your attempt to justify your behaviour/actions on this forum.
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purpleandred
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Flipping: Should instant for sale threads be allowed?, by purpleandred on Jun 21, 2019 11:43:05 GMT 1, It's telling how many 5 star members sales threads start with HUGELY inflated prices for pieces that are current, a recurring theme is "I'm not really sure what the value is.."
The responses follow shortly thereafter by other respected 5 star members saying: "great sales threads - good luck with the sale - buy with confidence - great seller"
...and the merry go round keeps on going...
It's telling how many 5 star members sales threads start with HUGELY inflated prices for pieces that are current, a recurring theme is "I'm not really sure what the value is.."
The responses follow shortly thereafter by other respected 5 star members saying: "great sales threads - good luck with the sale - buy with confidence - great seller"
...and the merry go round keeps on going...
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19818914
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Flipping: Should instant for sale threads be allowed?, by 19818914 on Jun 21, 2019 12:33:10 GMT 1, Whether youโre a secret flipper or a known flipper, youโre all flippers.
Whether youโre a secret flipper or a known flipper, youโre all flippers.
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Extra Ball
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Graham H
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Flipping: Should instant for sale threads be allowed?, by Graham H on Jun 21, 2019 12:54:39 GMT 1, I can understand why people get upset / angry about people buying to sell and in turn taking up someone elses chance to buy at release, but theres nothing to say that space wouldnt be taken by someone who planned to do exactly the same..
Ive sold above cost , ive also sold works at below cost.. ive paid many many times release prices of work as I wanted a specific piece ( and we all know what happens when we just HAVE to have a piece of art!!).. and ive managed to pick things up at below what I think things are worth.. This includes trading as well. Im sure there are many people on here, like myself that buying, selling and trading has given the chance to build a range and collection of artists that I could never have just gone out and bought..does that make me one of those multi star flippers ( not 5 star yet.. ) .. im not sure..id say I do this for the art rather than the money ( but it helps ).
This also gives me a great sense of achievement in all of the above..
In my experience, both the buying and the selling take time and research, and if someone has the time and where with all to do that then thats their choice .. and realistically, even though we may not like it, allows us to get some pieces that we would never get access to..even if at a price higher than it was initially and also means getting to meet some other great collectors along the way
Its a way of life in many things.. where people can make money by buying then selling on, it will always happen. Happens in Trainers, Art, Watches, property, even up to multi million pound sports cars.. and many other things.. and there will always be collectors ( or speculators ) willing to buy..
Is it really worth getting all fired up on a sunny Friday afternoon about?
Just sayin...
I can understand why people get upset / angry about people buying to sell and in turn taking up someone elses chance to buy at release, but theres nothing to say that space wouldnt be taken by someone who planned to do exactly the same..
Ive sold above cost , ive also sold works at below cost.. ive paid many many times release prices of work as I wanted a specific piece ( and we all know what happens when we just HAVE to have a piece of art!!).. and ive managed to pick things up at below what I think things are worth.. This includes trading as well. Im sure there are many people on here, like myself that buying, selling and trading has given the chance to build a range and collection of artists that I could never have just gone out and bought..does that make me one of those multi star flippers ( not 5 star yet.. ) .. im not sure..id say I do this for the art rather than the money ( but it helps ).
This also gives me a great sense of achievement in all of the above..
In my experience, both the buying and the selling take time and research, and if someone has the time and where with all to do that then thats their choice .. and realistically, even though we may not like it, allows us to get some pieces that we would never get access to..even if at a price higher than it was initially and also means getting to meet some other great collectors along the way
Its a way of life in many things.. where people can make money by buying then selling on, it will always happen. Happens in Trainers, Art, Watches, property, even up to multi million pound sports cars.. and many other things.. and there will always be collectors ( or speculators ) willing to buy..
Is it really worth getting all fired up on a sunny Friday afternoon about?
Just sayin...
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Inknart
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Flipping: Should instant for sale threads be allowed?, by Inknart on Jun 21, 2019 16:33:56 GMT 1, I cared when I first began collecting, but slowly got over it. I think it's all part of an Artists life cycle. If a piece never sold for more than what it was cost, you wouldn't have artists who were successful which in turn would mean less art. I think Shephard Fairey had a good article on it, but I disagreed to a point because he was already a massive success with a clothing line that runs in parallel. I think it would be flattering as an artist to see that so many people wanted your work that it in turn it appreciated immediately, driving up future releases and becoming a sustainable career instead of just a hobby. I will also say, it's different when someone pops up with 1 post and uses the forum as an offloading fee free platform with no contribution to this community vs someone who's been here for years and offers up insight and discussions in addition to using the sales section. mate, you are the worst flipper on this site. pole position.
I can't believe Christian and co. at Avant actually still sell to you.
You're by no means the only one but in my opinion the worst of the bunch - a serial offender and shameless about it. Keeping a print for 3/4 months is still flipping. As an example, the amount of Paul Insect you've had access to which were kept out of others hands is precisely what's wrong with the state of play. I'm not even going to bother responding to your reply but I'm sure others will delight in your attempt to justify your behaviour/actions on this forum. You honestly have to be kidding? I've literally sold a couple recent KAWS prints, that is really about it. I've sold most things at a complete LOSS, have given away FREE art, and continue to sell most pieces at cost or below.
Please provide a comprehensive list over the last 2 years of all the pieces i've sold and at what cost to back up your claims.
Recent Sales include -
Lister - Cost Invader Blue and Black Versailes - Cost Invader Kit - 4k (I paid MORE from a forum member) Revok - Cost Insect Habits - $300 for set over Cost (Both for what Gold's were listed for) Eniwarmura for 50% less than what they're going for. Paco Internacional B and W - Cost Josh Sperling Set - LOST money on set after buying from someone on here. Scroll through and you can see that i was looking for them for months.
I've enjoyed my Journey Gold framed for over a year now, so not even sure how that can be considered a flip. I just bought the recent sale of Bomb Love and a Laugh Now, so need to move some stuff out.
Originals I've sold were both let go for 1000's below cost - Eelus TTLF and my Pose.
Things I've given away for Free in last 3 months.
Daniel Arsham - Sealed Field Kit Parra - Pierced Peeta - Aluminum Print Paco Pomet Print for free to another member
Please tell me more about how i'm the worst flipper on here to back up your claims and also let me know what you've done for members in the past 3 months.
I cared when I first began collecting, but slowly got over it. I think it's all part of an Artists life cycle. If a piece never sold for more than what it was cost, you wouldn't have artists who were successful which in turn would mean less art. I think Shephard Fairey had a good article on it, but I disagreed to a point because he was already a massive success with a clothing line that runs in parallel. I think it would be flattering as an artist to see that so many people wanted your work that it in turn it appreciated immediately, driving up future releases and becoming a sustainable career instead of just a hobby. I will also say, it's different when someone pops up with 1 post and uses the forum as an offloading fee free platform with no contribution to this community vs someone who's been here for years and offers up insight and discussions in addition to using the sales section. mate, you are the worst flipper on this site. pole position.
I can't believe Christian and co. at Avant actually still sell to you.
You're by no means the only one but in my opinion the worst of the bunch - a serial offender and shameless about it. Keeping a print for 3/4 months is still flipping. As an example, the amount of Paul Insect you've had access to which were kept out of others hands is precisely what's wrong with the state of play. I'm not even going to bother responding to your reply but I'm sure others will delight in your attempt to justify your behaviour/actions on this forum. You honestly have to be kidding? I've literally sold a couple recent KAWS prints, that is really about it. I've sold most things at a complete LOSS, have given away FREE art, and continue to sell most pieces at cost or below. Please provide a comprehensive list over the last 2 years of all the pieces i've sold and at what cost to back up your claims. Recent Sales include - Lister - Cost Invader Blue and Black Versailes - Cost Invader Kit - 4k (I paid MORE from a forum member) Revok - Cost Insect Habits - $300 for set over Cost (Both for what Gold's were listed for) Eniwarmura for 50% less than what they're going for. Paco Internacional B and W - Cost Josh Sperling Set - LOST money on set after buying from someone on here. Scroll through and you can see that i was looking for them for months. I've enjoyed my Journey Gold framed for over a year now, so not even sure how that can be considered a flip. I just bought the recent sale of Bomb Love and a Laugh Now, so need to move some stuff out. Originals I've sold were both let go for 1000's below cost - Eelus TTLF and my Pose. Things I've given away for Free in last 3 months. Daniel Arsham - Sealed Field Kit Parra - Pierced Peeta - Aluminum Print Paco Pomet Print for free to another member Please tell me more about how i'm the worst flipper on here to back up your claims and also let me know what you've done for members in the past 3 months.
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Dive Jedi
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Flipping: Should instant for sale threads be allowed?, by Dive Jedi on Jun 21, 2019 17:10:52 GMT 1, mate, you are the worst flipper on this site. pole position.
I can't believe Christian and co. at Avant actually still sell to you.
You're by no means the only one but in my opinion the worst of the bunch - a serial offender and shameless about it. Keeping a print for 3/4 months is still flipping. As an example, the amount of Paul Insect you've had access to which were kept out of others hands is precisely what's wrong with the state of play. I'm not even going to bother responding to your reply but I'm sure others will delight in your attempt to justify your behaviour/actions on this forum. You honestly have to be kidding? I've literally sold a couple recent KAWS prints, that is really about it. I've sold most things at a complete LOSS, have given away FREE art, and continue to sell most pieces at cost or below. Please provide a comprehensive list over the last 2 years of all the pieces i've sold and at what cost to back up your claims. Recent Sales include - Lister - Cost Invader Blue and Black Versailes - Cost Invader Kit - 4k (I paid MORE from a forum member) Revok - Cost Insect Habits - $300 for set over Cost (Both for what Gold's were listed for) Eniwarmura for 50% less than what they're going for. Paco Internacional B and W - Cost Josh Sperling Set - LOST money on set after buying from someone on here. Scroll through and you can see that i was looking for them for months. I've enjoyed my Journey Gold framed for over a year now, so not even sure how that can be considered a flip. I just bought the recent sale of Bomb Love and a Laugh Now, so need to move some stuff out. Originals I've sold were both let go for 1000's below cost - Eelus TTLF and my Pose. Things I've given away for Free in last 3 months. Daniel Arsham - Sealed Field Kit Parra - Pierced Peeta - Aluminum Print Paco Pomet Print for free to another member Please tell me more about how i'm the worst flipper on here to back up your claims and also let me know what you've done for members in the past 3 months. Bloody hell ! Are we supposed to register all our flips here now ? This is getting out of hand.....
On a second note : PurpleRain has a point. Selling everything at cost or below ; you are the worst flipper here.
mate, you are the worst flipper on this site. pole position.
I can't believe Christian and co. at Avant actually still sell to you.
You're by no means the only one but in my opinion the worst of the bunch - a serial offender and shameless about it. Keeping a print for 3/4 months is still flipping. As an example, the amount of Paul Insect you've had access to which were kept out of others hands is precisely what's wrong with the state of play. I'm not even going to bother responding to your reply but I'm sure others will delight in your attempt to justify your behaviour/actions on this forum. You honestly have to be kidding? I've literally sold a couple recent KAWS prints, that is really about it. I've sold most things at a complete LOSS, have given away FREE art, and continue to sell most pieces at cost or below. Please provide a comprehensive list over the last 2 years of all the pieces i've sold and at what cost to back up your claims. Recent Sales include - Lister - Cost Invader Blue and Black Versailes - Cost Invader Kit - 4k (I paid MORE from a forum member) Revok - Cost Insect Habits - $300 for set over Cost (Both for what Gold's were listed for) Eniwarmura for 50% less than what they're going for. Paco Internacional B and W - Cost Josh Sperling Set - LOST money on set after buying from someone on here. Scroll through and you can see that i was looking for them for months. I've enjoyed my Journey Gold framed for over a year now, so not even sure how that can be considered a flip. I just bought the recent sale of Bomb Love and a Laugh Now, so need to move some stuff out. Originals I've sold were both let go for 1000's below cost - Eelus TTLF and my Pose. Things I've given away for Free in last 3 months. Daniel Arsham - Sealed Field Kit Parra - Pierced Peeta - Aluminum Print Paco Pomet Print for free to another member Please tell me more about how i'm the worst flipper on here to back up your claims and also let me know what you've done for members in the past 3 months. Bloody hell ! Are we supposed to register all our flips here now ? This is getting out of hand..... On a second note : PurpleRain has a point. Selling everything at cost or below ; you are the worst flipper here.
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warwolf
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Flipping: Should instant for sale threads be allowed?, by warwolf on Jun 21, 2019 17:47:13 GMT 1, Whats the matter with people? The question was asked and less than 15% thought flipping should be banned so if it is that offensive, you are probably better off finding somewhere else
Whats the matter with people? The question was asked and less than 15% thought flipping should be banned so if it is that offensive, you are probably better off finding somewhere else
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oarts
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Flipping: Should instant for sale threads be allowed?, by oarts on Jun 21, 2019 20:40:44 GMT 1, Flipping should not be banned- so if you have a damn Johnny Abrahams print untitled 1 or 3 PLEASE LMK and ill pay your flip prices!!!
Flipping should not be banned- so if you have a damn Johnny Abrahams print untitled 1 or 3 PLEASE LMK and ill pay your flip prices!!!
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ca
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Flipping: Should instant for sale threads be allowed?, by ca on Jun 21, 2019 21:02:40 GMT 1, i think the forum currently handles it the best way it could; you're free to do what you want but there's an unwritten rule understood by most regular members that you shouldnt flip something in the For Sale threads in the immediate short term. If you do, expect to get sh!t thrown at you. The end. Simple.
i think the forum currently handles it the best way it could; you're free to do what you want but there's an unwritten rule understood by most regular members that you shouldnt flip something in the For Sale threads in the immediate short term. If you do, expect to get sh!t thrown at you. The end. Simple.
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moron
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Flipping: Should instant for sale threads be allowed?, by moron on Jun 23, 2019 20:21:00 GMT 1, Flippers are dealers in reality. (Probably not declaring profits)
Or they could be gallery owners or staff posing as individuals to profit from stock.
Or they could be people working together using the forum to hype up some art and create a demand.
Flippers are dealers in reality. (Probably not declaring profits)
Or they could be gallery owners or staff posing as individuals to profit from stock.
Or they could be people working together using the forum to hype up some art and create a demand.
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bigmoo
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Flipping: Should instant for sale threads be allowed?, by bigmoo on Jun 25, 2019 14:23:24 GMT 1, Given the saturation of poor generic soi disant street art , moviing the stuff on as soon as possible would seem to be the logical thing to do. Them tabbyโs and cranios are going to make you feel queasy when you find them expensively stashed under the bed when you Move house in a few years
Given the saturation of poor generic soi disant street art , moviing the stuff on as soon as possible would seem to be the logical thing to do. Them tabbyโs and cranios are going to make you feel queasy when you find them expensively stashed under the bed when you Move house in a few years
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Fake
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Flipping: Should instant for sale threads be allowed?, by Fake on Jun 25, 2019 14:30:01 GMT 1, What about instant "looking for" threads? Is this still allowed if an instant "for sale" thread will be restricted?
What about instant "looking for" threads? Is this still allowed if an instant "for sale" thread will be restricted?
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The Fool
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Flipping: Should instant for sale threads be allowed?, by The Fool on Jun 25, 2019 14:34:13 GMT 1, the argument around flipping is always a interesting one. i think a lot of people don't realize that flipping plays a crucial piece in this scene. people collect art for 2 reasons - they find it visually pleasing and because it is collectible. it's not going to be collectible if it isn't worth something. it won't be worth something if people aren't flipping - this includes the initial flips when the prices are set on the secondary market. flip if you want to flip - if you aren't for it, then don't do it. the amount of crying around missing out & people flipping gets so old...
the argument around flipping is always a interesting one. i think a lot of people don't realize that flipping plays a crucial piece in this scene. people collect art for 2 reasons - they find it visually pleasing and because it is collectible. it's not going to be collectible if it isn't worth something. it won't be worth something if people aren't flipping - this includes the initial flips when the prices are set on the secondary market. flip if you want to flip - if you aren't for it, then don't do it. the amount of crying around missing out & people flipping gets so old...
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Flipping: Should instant for sale threads be allowed?, by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 14:41:52 GMT 1, "it won't be worth something if people aren't flipping"
That is clearly demonstrably false.
"it won't be worth something if people aren't flipping"
That is clearly demonstrably false.
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bigmoo
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Flipping: Should instant for sale threads be allowed?, by bigmoo on Jun 25, 2019 14:57:22 GMT 1, The Brit- euro scene was mostly cool daddio until the Americans got involved. Now itโs gone to shit. It needs an electric collar to put it out of its misery
The Brit- euro scene was mostly cool daddio until the Americans got involved. Now itโs gone to shit. It needs an electric collar to put it out of its misery
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WOOF
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Flipping: Should instant for sale threads be allowed?, by WOOF on Jun 25, 2019 17:56:28 GMT 1, the argument around flipping is always a interesting one. i think a lot of people don't realize that flipping plays a crucial piece in this scene. people collect art for 2 reasons - they find it visually pleasing and because it is collectible. it's not going to be collectible if it isn't worth something. it won't be worth something if people aren't flipping - this includes the initial flips when the prices are set on the secondary market. flip if you want to flip - if you aren't for it, then don't do it. the amount of crying around missing out & people flipping gets so old... This is an old and incorrect argument. Flipping doesn't improve the scene, it makes it worse. And it destroys artists careers by artificially inflating their worth too quickly.
the argument around flipping is always a interesting one. i think a lot of people don't realize that flipping plays a crucial piece in this scene. people collect art for 2 reasons - they find it visually pleasing and because it is collectible. it's not going to be collectible if it isn't worth something. it won't be worth something if people aren't flipping - this includes the initial flips when the prices are set on the secondary market. flip if you want to flip - if you aren't for it, then don't do it. the amount of crying around missing out & people flipping gets so old... This is an old and incorrect argument. Flipping doesn't improve the scene, it makes it worse. And it destroys artists careers by artificially inflating their worth too quickly.
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Flipping: Should instant for sale threads be allowed?, by jeffkoonsismydad on Jun 25, 2019 18:23:32 GMT 1, No one is holding a gun to anyones head. If you donโ t like instant flipping threads then ignore them. If you want access to something you missed out on, then have a look. Pretty simple when you think about it.
No one is holding a gun to anyones head. If you donโ t like instant flipping threads then ignore them. If you want access to something you missed out on, then have a look. Pretty simple when you think about it.
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NYart
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Flipping: Should instant for sale threads be allowed?, by NYart on Jun 25, 2019 18:36:01 GMT 1, the argument around flipping is always a interesting one. i think a lot of people don't realize that flipping plays a crucial piece in this scene. people collect art for 2 reasons - they find it visually pleasing and because it is collectible. it's not going to be collectible if it isn't worth something. it won't be worth something if people aren't flipping - this includes the initial flips when the prices are set on the secondary market. flip if you want to flip - if you aren't for it, then don't do it. the amount of crying around missing out & people flipping gets so old... This is an old and incorrect argument. Flipping doesn't improve the scene, it makes it worse. And it destroys artists careers by artificially inflating their worth too quickly.
Iโd argue it can contribute to the destruction of their career but only if the artist and management jump on the wagon and start drastically raising retail prices. Thatโs when they price themselves out of new collectors before a foundation is really built up and thereโs no one to catch the fall when the bubble pops.
the argument around flipping is always a interesting one. i think a lot of people don't realize that flipping plays a crucial piece in this scene. people collect art for 2 reasons - they find it visually pleasing and because it is collectible. it's not going to be collectible if it isn't worth something. it won't be worth something if people aren't flipping - this includes the initial flips when the prices are set on the secondary market. flip if you want to flip - if you aren't for it, then don't do it. the amount of crying around missing out & people flipping gets so old... This is an old and incorrect argument. Flipping doesn't improve the scene, it makes it worse. And it destroys artists careers by artificially inflating their worth too quickly. Iโd argue it can contribute to the destruction of their career but only if the artist and management jump on the wagon and start drastically raising retail prices. Thatโs when they price themselves out of new collectors before a foundation is really built up and thereโs no one to catch the fall when the bubble pops.
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