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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by Terry Fuckwitt on May 8, 2020 16:42:09 GMT 1, If he paid you by friends and family, he won't be getting any money back through PayPal.
If he paid you by friends and family, he won't be getting any money back through PayPal.
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by Masong on May 8, 2020 16:46:41 GMT 1, He specifically paid via friends and family to avoid excessive fees from Paypal, which I allowed him to do as a favor as I understand how bad they hit you with fees and currency conversions. He is now asking for them to refund him via their buyer protection policy for what is CLEARLY a genuine note with COA.
PayPal won’t cover friends and family payments
He specifically paid via friends and family to avoid excessive fees from Paypal, which I allowed him to do as a favor as I understand how bad they hit you with fees and currency conversions. He is now asking for them to refund him via their buyer protection policy for what is CLEARLY a genuine note with COA. PayPal won’t cover friends and family payments |
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by singerstu on May 8, 2020 16:50:19 GMT 1, He specifically paid via friends and family to avoid excessive fees from Paypal, which I allowed him to do as a favor as I understand how bad they hit you with fees and currency conversions. He is now asking for them to refund him via their buyer protection policy for what is CLEARLY a genuine note with COA.
I appreciate you have a gripe but you should not be disclosing names and addresses of members in threads. You should remove that information.
He specifically paid via friends and family to avoid excessive fees from Paypal, which I allowed him to do as a favor as I understand how bad they hit you with fees and currency conversions. He is now asking for them to refund him via their buyer protection policy for what is CLEARLY a genuine note with COA. I appreciate you have a gripe but you should not be disclosing names and addresses of members in threads. You should remove that information. |
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by singerstu on May 8, 2020 16:59:10 GMT 1, There is always two sides to every story. Let the buyer have his say.
i am sure they can get it sorted between them.
I don’t think an issue over the sale of a tenner the seller got for free a few months ago at this stage warrants disclosing private information, someone on here will know more but is it a data breach?
Everyone knows the risk of taking Friends and Family PayPal payments.
I am sure this will get sorted. However I respect your view.
There is always two sides to every story. Let the buyer have his say.
i am sure they can get it sorted between them.
I don’t think an issue over the sale of a tenner the seller got for free a few months ago at this stage warrants disclosing private information, someone on here will know more but is it a data breach?
Everyone knows the risk of taking Friends and Family PayPal payments.
I am sure this will get sorted. However I respect your view.
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by Poster Bob on May 8, 2020 17:01:52 GMT 1, WUT. UP EYERON I RETNA?
WUT. UP EYERON I RETNA?
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by izthewiz on May 8, 2020 17:10:37 GMT 1, Hello All,
In response to this, i have issued a claim as i believe that this Banksy item was not genuine.
The COA was merely a photocopied bit of A4 paper as i have added a picture underneath Jared has stated before this sale the original COA is hand signed by Laz & its not a regular size paper, also as you Bansky fans are aware his prints etc are never on a plain sheet of paper that is obtainable at any stationary shop, or am i wrong in thinking this? I am not happy with the disclosure of my childs' address so would like this removed immediately as it is not professional. I have dealt with many members of this forum worth tens of thousand of pounds so i have no reason to try con anyone.
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Hello All, In response to this, i have issued a claim as i believe that this Banksy item was not genuine. The COA was merely a photocopied bit of A4 paper as i have added a picture underneath Jared has stated before this sale the original COA is hand signed by Laz & its not a regular size paper, also as you Bansky fans are aware his prints etc are never on a plain sheet of paper that is obtainable at any stationary shop, or am i wrong in thinking this? I am not happy with the disclosure of my childs' address so would like this removed immediately as it is not professional. I have dealt with many members of this forum worth tens of thousand of pounds so i have no reason to try con anyone.
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by Terry Fuckwitt on May 8, 2020 17:13:23 GMT 1, It wasn't a free tenner. It was purchased with the copy of the book from someone that did win it from LAZ during the giveaway. I then sold it to this gentleman for at a small loss due to circumstances surrounding the spread of the virus. I was already doing him a huge solid and now he has the nerve to try to ... Not happening.
If you bought it from someone else, how do you know for sure that they sold you a genuine tenner?
It wasn't a free tenner. It was purchased with the copy of the book from someone that did win it from LAZ during the giveaway. I then sold it to this gentleman for at a small loss due to circumstances surrounding the spread of the virus. I was already doing him a huge solid and now he has the nerve to try to ... Not happening. If you bought it from someone else, how do you know for sure that they sold you a genuine tenner? |
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by Dive Jedi on May 8, 2020 17:23:23 GMT 1, He specifically paid via friends and family to avoid excessive fees from Paypal, which I allowed him to do as a favor as I understand how bad they hit you with fees and currency conversions. He is now asking for them to refund him via their buyer protection policy for what is CLEARLY a genuine note with COA.
He specifically paid via friends and family to avoid excessive fees from Paypal, which I allowed him to do as a favor as I understand how bad they hit you with fees and currency conversions. He is now asking for them to refund him via their buyer protection policy for what is CLEARLY a genuine note with COA. |
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by Dive Jedi on May 8, 2020 17:24:26 GMT 1, FFS !!!
Why does my texts keep disappearing when quoting….
Cosmo Kramer
I'm sorry, but the buyer doesn't get hit with fees. The seller is.
So if he pays with F&F he is doing you a favor.
Also, with F&F he can not file a claim with PayPal, so you have nothing to worry about.
He will not be refunded.
Also, as I conclude from the buyer, the dispute is about the COA, not the note itself.
Maybe the buyer can post some pics of the Tenner itself, so other members can Judge if it's genuine?
FFS !!! Why does my texts keep disappearing when quoting…. Cosmo KramerI'm sorry, but the buyer doesn't get hit with fees. The seller is. So if he pays with F&F he is doing you a favor. Also, with F&F he can not file a claim with PayPal, so you have nothing to worry about. He will not be refunded. Also, as I conclude from the buyer, the dispute is about the COA, not the note itself. Maybe the buyer can post some pics of the Tenner itself, so other members can Judge if it's genuine? |
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by izthewiz on May 8, 2020 17:30:57 GMT 1, If this COA looks like it has been hand-signed to anyone else i will put my hands up to this mistake and apologise.
I am certain that this is not a genuine hand-signed letter - I can post more pictures if anyone does not think that these are clear enough to warrant its a FAKE A4 Piece of paper.
If this COA looks like it has been hand-signed to anyone else i will put my hands up to this mistake and apologise.
I am certain that this is not a genuine hand-signed letter - I can post more pictures if anyone does not think that these are clear enough to warrant its a FAKE A4 Piece of paper.
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by Terry Fuckwitt on May 8, 2020 17:31:43 GMT 1, 3 people have now told you that he won't be able to make a claim with friends and family, but you seem to be ignoring them. I would say that was quite an important bit of info for you.
3 people have now told you that he won't be able to make a claim with friends and family, but you seem to be ignoring them. I would say that was quite an important bit of info for you.
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by Masong on May 8, 2020 17:47:39 GMT 1, I have no idea if it was hand signed. That certainly appeared to be the case to me. The letter was not really my focus. More the authenticity of the bill. I am not here to argue with you. The images posted of the bill in your possession clearly prove it to be a real offset lithograph and not a copy. You can tell simply by looking at it. If you want a refund, you should have asked. I have gone out of my way to be straight with you, even while this box was held up at customs. What you're trying to pull right now is nonsense.
Surely the letter is the authentication for the note?. To say it wasn’t really the focus is a bit like saying a pest control COA is sort of irrelevant as long as the print looks real.
I have no idea if it was hand signed. That certainly appeared to be the case to me. The letter was not really my focus. More the authenticity of the bill. I am not here to argue with you. The images posted of the bill in your possession clearly prove it to be a real offset lithograph and not a copy. You can tell simply by looking at it. If you want a refund, you should have asked. I have gone out of my way to be straight with you, even while this box was held up at customs. What you're trying to pull right now is nonsense. Surely the letter is the authentication for the note?. To say it wasn’t really the focus is a bit like saying a pest control COA is sort of irrelevant as long as the print looks real. |
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by mint on May 8, 2020 17:54:22 GMT 1, Put your note next to a pest control COA.
If its a twin..its legit. Enjoy it.
You guys are really fighting over a laz signature?
This era of the COA is wild....
Put your note next to a pest control COA.
If its a twin..its legit. Enjoy it.
You guys are really fighting over a laz signature?
This era of the COA is wild....
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by izthewiz on May 8, 2020 18:02:08 GMT 1, Also in regards to this, as you forum members can see i did ask for an invoice but was told this could incur fees for Jared. I was a bit sceptical about this as i sold an item & sent the Gentleman an invoice so he could pay - That did not cost me anything additional other than general Paypal fees.
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Also in regards to this, as you forum members can see i did ask for an invoice but was told this could incur fees for Jared. I was a bit sceptical about this as i sold an item & sent the Gentleman an invoice so he could pay - That did not cost me anything additional other than general Paypal fees.
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by izthewiz on May 8, 2020 18:18:42 GMT 1, As i am now in the forum Cosmo can you please remove my daughters personal details as i am sure you aware this is a data breach?
As i am now in the forum Cosmo can you please remove my daughters personal details as i am sure you aware this is a data breach?
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by izthewiz on May 8, 2020 18:22:49 GMT 1, FFS !!! Why does my texts keep disappearing when quoting…. Cosmo Kramer I'm sorry, but the buyer doesn't get hit with fees. The seller is. So if he pays with F&F he is doing you a favor. Also, with F&F he can not file a claim with PayPal, so you have nothing to worry about. He will not be refunded. Also, as I conclude from the buyer, the dispute is about the COA, not the note itself. Maybe the buyer can post some pics of the Tenner itself, so other members can Judge if it's genuine?
Also as another member Dive Jedi stated it is not the note i am disputing it is the COA matching this note which i am sure is not genuine.
FFS !!! Why does my texts keep disappearing when quoting…. Cosmo Kramer I'm sorry, but the buyer doesn't get hit with fees. The seller is. So if he pays with F&F he is doing you a favor. Also, with F&F he can not file a claim with PayPal, so you have nothing to worry about. He will not be refunded. Also, as I conclude from the buyer, the dispute is about the COA, not the note itself. Maybe the buyer can post some pics of the Tenner itself, so other members can Judge if it's genuine? Also as another member Dive Jedi stated it is not the note i am disputing it is the COA matching this note which i am sure is not genuine. |
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by concrete jungle on May 8, 2020 18:25:22 GMT 1, Here are more closed ups of a different genuine note from my collection. They are clearly a match to the one in your possession George.
Here are more closed ups of a different genuine note from my collection. They are clearly a match to the one in your possession George. Ie just used my phone to take this snap of mine- which is directly from an ex-Laz staff member. The CMYK attern does the trick. As long as the tenner is legit I don't see the issue in getting knickers in a twist about theCOA. However as already pointed out peeps are paying well over the odds for Tenners with coas when it's perfectly possible to pick up legit Tenners for a lot less. Lack of COA wouldn't worry me as long as there is decent prov. |
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by tab1 on May 8, 2020 18:34:57 GMT 1, And now have provenance of this thread 🙈
And now have provenance of this thread 🙈
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by Deleted on May 8, 2020 18:35:32 GMT 1,
I would say that’s legit.
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by kjg on May 8, 2020 18:40:09 GMT 1, I have one that looks slightly misprinted/out of focus. Nevertheless it's real I think.
I have one that looks slightly misprinted/out of focus. Nevertheless it's real I think.
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by Graham H on May 8, 2020 18:43:54 GMT 1, Im a bit bamboozled with all this..
What a nightmare scenario.. just throwing this in here, but whats to now stop a fake note and the photocopy of the letter being sent back... that would throw the cat amongst the pigeons..
The moral of the story.. Di Faced tenners that have now been sold / given out by Laz, Bottleneck et al have made it an even more shady thing to try to buy and sell..
jeez..
Im a bit bamboozled with all this..
What a nightmare scenario.. just throwing this in here, but whats to now stop a fake note and the photocopy of the letter being sent back... that would throw the cat amongst the pigeons..
The moral of the story.. Di Faced tenners that have now been sold / given out by Laz, Bottleneck et al have made it an even more shady thing to try to buy and sell..
jeez..
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by concrete jungle on May 8, 2020 18:55:10 GMT 1, WHOOPS I FEEL I DICK NOW ...... SORRY PEOPLE , Cosmo i will sort out pay pay Now, But Im still saying the LAZ LETTER is nothing more than a A4 photo Copy , Can anyone please put my mind at ease , Really am sorry
WHOOPS I FEEL I DICK NOW ...... SORRY PEOPLE , Cosmo i will sort out pay pay Now, But Im still saying the LAZ LETTER is nothing more than a A4 photo Copy , Can anyone please put my mind at ease , Really am sorry One final thought - the note is legit. The Laz COA may be a photocopy. My only concern would be it would be entirely possible to sell a number of legit notes with an easily copied COA. As I said before wouldn't worry me - as long as I hadn't paid top dollar for the tenner. So if people are potentially paying 3x for one with a COA that would be an issue. Not sure of what these are going for now but I paid £400 for a legit note with some solid prov about 2 years ago...... |
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by Dive Jedi on May 8, 2020 19:00:47 GMT 1, Indeed.
This shows how important it is to have proper provenance.
And if the COA provided here is indeed a copy or the real thing….
that might indicate there is a fake Tenner around with a real COA.....
Cosmo did declare the COA is not an A4 and it is hand signed.
Buyer says it is an A4 and not hand signed…..
So do we have a genuine Tenner with a fake COA ?
Anyone has a Laz letter from source ? ?
The mystery continues…………………..
Indeed.
This shows how important it is to have proper provenance.
And if the COA provided here is indeed a copy or the real thing….
that might indicate there is a fake Tenner around with a real COA.....
Cosmo did declare the COA is not an A4 and it is hand signed.
Buyer says it is an A4 and not hand signed…..
So do we have a genuine Tenner with a fake COA ?
Anyone has a Laz letter from source ? ?
The mystery continues…………………..
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by Catman 74 on May 8, 2020 19:03:51 GMT 1, Call Laz!😁
Call Laz!😁
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by qest on May 8, 2020 19:04:17 GMT 1, For what it's worth, it can be extremely difficult to distinguish between original and duplicate signatures that were made in black ink.
For what it's worth, it can be extremely difficult to distinguish between original and duplicate signatures that were made in black ink.
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by tab1 on May 8, 2020 19:05:15 GMT 1, It may be. I barely looked at it as I was more concerned with the mint bill in my possession and keeping it that way. I also spent like $70 at my own expense to ship it to you in an acrylic frame so that there was no possible way for it to get damaged during shipping, and as soon as you get it in your possession, you file a claim that it’s a fake. This is complete bullshit, and honestly the second or third time you’ve been completely out of line during our transaction. Call PayPal immediately and get this reversed today and I’ll take this thread down and I never want to talk to you again. You should be embarrassed. If the Laz letter you supplied is a copy, and sized differently to the letter in the possession of others, this sale is still problematic. The tenner is clearly fine, but if someone has paid extra for a note with provenance, if the provenance is junk then I wouldn’t be happy. Respectfully, you keep glossing over that fact and seem very keen to get this resolved. I can understand why but I think there are outstanding issues still. If someone else can measure their legit letter from Laz and can verify everything matches, this is all fine. But I don’t think that has been achieved yet. Note I’m not accusing you of anything of course, just pointing that out.
Throw things in the mix
As there are clearly lots of fakes on eBay , can sell the original tenner with fake coa buy a fake tenner and supply with original coa
This happened with a few banksy prints back in the day
It may be. I barely looked at it as I was more concerned with the mint bill in my possession and keeping it that way. I also spent like $70 at my own expense to ship it to you in an acrylic frame so that there was no possible way for it to get damaged during shipping, and as soon as you get it in your possession, you file a claim that it’s a fake. This is complete bullshit, and honestly the second or third time you’ve been completely out of line during our transaction. Call PayPal immediately and get this reversed today and I’ll take this thread down and I never want to talk to you again. You should be embarrassed. If the Laz letter you supplied is a copy, and sized differently to the letter in the possession of others, this sale is still problematic. The tenner is clearly fine, but if someone has paid extra for a note with provenance, if the provenance is junk then I wouldn’t be happy. Respectfully, you keep glossing over that fact and seem very keen to get this resolved. I can understand why but I think there are outstanding issues still. If someone else can measure their legit letter from Laz and can verify everything matches, this is all fine. But I don’t think that has been achieved yet. Note I’m not accusing you of anything of course, just pointing that out. Throw things in the mix As there are clearly lots of fakes on eBay , can sell the original tenner with fake coa buy a fake tenner and supply with original coa This happened with a few banksy prints back in the day |
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by izthewiz on May 8, 2020 19:07:52 GMT 1, Indeed. This shows how important it is to have proper provenance. And if the COA provided here is indeed a copy or the real thing…. that might indicate there is a fake Tenner around with a real COA..... Cosmo did declare the COA is not an A4 and it is hand signed. Buyer says it is an A4 and not hand signed….. So do we have a genuine Tenner with a fake COA ? Anyone has a Laz letter from source ? ? The mystery continues…………………..
Indeed. This shows how important it is to have proper provenance. And if the COA provided here is indeed a copy or the real thing…. that might indicate there is a fake Tenner around with a real COA..... Cosmo did declare the COA is not an A4 and it is hand signed. Buyer says it is an A4 and not hand signed….. So do we have a genuine Tenner with a fake COA ? Anyone has a Laz letter from source ? ? The mystery continues………………….. Thank you very much and also thank you sicklypete. From the start of being in this thread i never disputed the note just the COA. So can we all investigate the Laz COA size and paper quality and officially get this issue put to bed. As its just going round in circles over the note quality which is not or has never been the issue in question JUST THE COA |
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by Masong on May 8, 2020 19:11:17 GMT 1, So you dont want to stay in the spare room next time your in the uk, Come on mate ;lets Hug it out im sorry i messed up , BEERS ON ME This is hardly a time for jokes. Especially on your part. Get this fixed so I can move on with my work day. You’ve already cost me hundreds today due to productivity. You don’t seem to get that.
Ffs his PayPal claim means nothing... IT WAS FRIENDS AND FAMILY!!!!!
So you dont want to stay in the spare room next time your in the uk, Come on mate ;lets Hug it out im sorry i messed up , BEERS ON ME This is hardly a time for jokes. Especially on your part. Get this fixed so I can move on with my work day. You’ve already cost me hundreds today due to productivity. You don’t seem to get that. Ffs his PayPal claim means nothing... IT WAS FRIENDS AND FAMILY!!!!! |
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by Deleted on May 8, 2020 19:12:36 GMT 1, As i am now in the forum Cosmo can you please remove my daughters personal details as i am sure you aware this is a data breach?
Nice signed Barcode for sale on eBay! Expensive but nice
Also you’ve listed it (the laz tenner) for sale again? On your eBay.. weird
As i am now in the forum Cosmo can you please remove my daughters personal details as i am sure you aware this is a data breach? Nice signed Barcode for sale on eBay! Expensive but nice Also you’ve listed it (the laz tenner) for sale again? On your eBay.. weird |
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IZTHEWIZ - SELLERS BEWARE - GET IN HERE GEORGE BASHIR, by izthewiz on May 8, 2020 19:12:52 GMT 1, So you dont want to stay in the spare room next time your in the uk, Come on mate ;lets Hug it out im sorry i messed up , BEERS ON ME This is hardly a time for jokes. Especially on your part. Get this fixed so I can move on with my work day. You’ve already cost me hundreds today due to productivity. You don’t seem to get that.
So you dont want to stay in the spare room next time your in the uk, Come on mate ;lets Hug it out im sorry i messed up , BEERS ON ME This is hardly a time for jokes. Especially on your part. Get this fixed so I can move on with my work day. You’ve already cost me hundreds today due to productivity. You don’t seem to get that. I did not waste your time in anyway, As i buyer looking at your COA and referring to your message of it being hand-signed and on non-standard paper i felt i had not received the genuine item as you had described on your end of the deal. Apologies if you think i was the reason to have cost you hundreds as i'm sure if anyone else was in my position they would have done the same. Yes we have as a group established the note is real but nothing about this COA |
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