chomsky
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Edition number, by chomsky on Jun 11, 2020 0:45:27 GMT 1, Hi !
I wonder if one number editon is better than another? In terms of value, are the number 1 or the last number of an edition more sought after? Is an AP, PP worth more than a print of a normal edition?
Thank you for your opinions !
Hi ! I wonder if one number editon is better than another? In terms of value, are the number 1 or the last number of an edition more sought after? Is an AP, PP worth more than a print of a normal edition? Thank you for your opinions !
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greeceboy
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Edition number, by greeceboy on Jun 11, 2020 2:30:32 GMT 1, all same with different numbers
all same with different numbers
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Express Post
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Edition number, by Express Post on Jun 11, 2020 2:42:53 GMT 1, #1 worth the most from regular edition.
AP/PP/hors commerce/bon ร tirer all worth more than regular edition. Even though the same, it is a quasi variant.
Hi ! I wonder if one number editon is better than another? In terms of value, are the number 1 or the last number of an edition more sought after? Is an AP, PP worth more than a print of a normal edition? Thank you for your opinions !
#1 worth the most from regular edition. AP/PP/hors commerce/bon ร tirer all worth more than regular edition. Even though the same, it is a quasi variant. Hi ! I wonder if one number editon is better than another? In terms of value, are the number 1 or the last number of an edition more sought after? Is an AP, PP worth more than a print of a normal edition? Thank you for your opinions !
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tab1
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Edition number, by tab1 on Jun 11, 2020 3:10:50 GMT 1, #1 worth the most from regular edition. AP/PP/hors commerce/bon ร tirer all worth more than regular edition. Even though the same, it is a quasi variant. Hi ! I wonder if one number editon is better than another? In terms of value, are the number 1 or the last number of an edition more sought after? Is an AP, PP worth more than a print of a normal edition? Thank you for your opinions !
Depends what print house your buying from?
The pp,aps could be as many as the regular edition
Some times aps are variants so as different to the main edition as in colours would add more desirability
A lot of artists now keep numbers 1-3 from the main edition so adds more desirability to seek
The lower the number in the print ,the sharper the image from the screening process
#1 worth the most from regular edition. AP/PP/hors commerce/bon ร tirer all worth more than regular edition. Even though the same, it is a quasi variant. Hi ! I wonder if one number editon is better than another? In terms of value, are the number 1 or the last number of an edition more sought after? Is an AP, PP worth more than a print of a normal edition? Thank you for your opinions !
Depends what print house your buying from? The pp,aps could be as many as the regular edition Some times aps are variants so as different to the main edition as in colours would add more desirability A lot of artists now keep numbers 1-3 from the main edition so adds more desirability to seek The lower the number in the print ,the sharper the image from the screening process |
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Edition number, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Jun 11, 2020 4:26:28 GMT 1, There's been some good threads on here over the years on this subject. But always good to discuss.
Not always different as mentioned but a lot of AP's will have a different colour, some hand finishing, some text etc.. and nice for a collector to have one of these which is different from a normal run, that's why they command a little more dollars.
In terms of numbering personally I'm not bothered although number one of any run is desirable and many years ago I remember seeing the Banksy 'rude copper' number 1 at the framers. Imagine how much that is worth now.. oof!
There's been some good threads on here over the years on this subject. But always good to discuss.
Not always different as mentioned but a lot of AP's will have a different colour, some hand finishing, some text etc.. and nice for a collector to have one of these which is different from a normal run, that's why they command a little more dollars.
In terms of numbering personally I'm not bothered although number one of any run is desirable and many years ago I remember seeing the Banksy 'rude copper' number 1 at the framers. Imagine how much that is worth now.. oof!
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maxamaxa2
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Edition number, by maxamaxa2 on Jun 11, 2020 6:24:40 GMT 1, The lower the number in the print ,the sharper the image from the screening process
This heavily depends on the artist to number the first printed with number 1, second with number two and so on. From what I understood this is seldom the case? Many times they seem to get a stack in reverse order or totally mixed?
The lower the number in the print ,the sharper the image from the screening process This heavily depends on the artist to number the first printed with number 1, second with number two and so on. From what I understood this is seldom the case? Many times they seem to get a stack in reverse order or totally mixed? |
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koreema
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Edition number, by koreema on Jun 11, 2020 9:15:24 GMT 1, Silky
Silky
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rbt
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Edition number, by rbt on Jun 11, 2020 11:21:50 GMT 1, If main edition has 50 and printer proof has 5. You can get either. Which is better?
If main edition has 50 and printer proof has 5. You can get either. Which is better?
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mose
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Edition number, by mose on Jun 11, 2020 12:14:13 GMT 1, When prints used to be made using plates and older techniques, edition number and value had a relationship. As more impressions were made, the plates used would degrade and, therefore, so would the resulting print. So, earlier impressions, noted by having earlier numbers, were of better quality, sharper, etc. and a premium is warranted. You could even have an edition branch into different states as the artist, or other hands, reworked the worn-out plates in order to get more usable impressions out of them.
Personally, I don't see the reason to value a certain edition number more than any other with contemporary screenprints. AP/PP/HC/etc. don't really excite me either, unless they are notably different than the main run.
When prints used to be made using plates and older techniques, edition number and value had a relationship. As more impressions were made, the plates used would degrade and, therefore, so would the resulting print. So, earlier impressions, noted by having earlier numbers, were of better quality, sharper, etc. and a premium is warranted. You could even have an edition branch into different states as the artist, or other hands, reworked the worn-out plates in order to get more usable impressions out of them.
Personally, I don't see the reason to value a certain edition number more than any other with contemporary screenprints. AP/PP/HC/etc. don't really excite me either, unless they are notably different than the main run.
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BKBOI
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Edition number, by BKBOI on Jun 11, 2020 12:36:19 GMT 1, If you get print 1/XXX there is no knowing if that was the first print off the printer, the last one or one of the middle ones. Even someone who works at the gallery probably wouldn't be able to tell you. In other words, saying the first numbered print of an edition is more valuable is a nonsense.
If you get print 1/XXX there is no knowing if that was the first print off the printer, the last one or one of the middle ones. Even someone who works at the gallery probably wouldn't be able to tell you. In other words, saying the first numbered print of an edition is more valuable is a nonsense. This is true. The reason why 1/xxx appears to have more value is because like AP/PP, they are usually kept by the artist or gallery and are only made available to friends and family. |
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chomsky
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Edition number, by chomsky on Jun 11, 2020 20:16:52 GMT 1, Thank you all for your reply!
I can choose my next print edition number, now I know what to ask๐
Thank you all for your reply!
I can choose my next print edition number, now I know what to ask๐
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rbt
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Edition number, by rbt on Jun 15, 2020 18:36:54 GMT 1, Question: edition size is 65. there are 10 printer proofs. AP size unknown.
Is the print proof amount of 10 too much? Is rule PP should be 10% size of main prints?
Question: edition size is 65. there are 10 printer proofs. AP size unknown.
Is the print proof amount of 10 too much? Is rule PP should be 10% size of main prints?
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Edition number, by Yeah Yeah Yeah Round2 on Jun 15, 2020 18:45:23 GMT 1, I bought a book years ago and was lucky to score a 1/25 AP. Roll on a few years and I was picking up a commission from the artist and they showed me their collection of 1/25 AP books.
My thoughts on hype died that day lol
I bought a book years ago and was lucky to score a 1/25 AP. Roll on a few years and I was picking up a commission from the artist and they showed me their collection of 1/25 AP books.
My thoughts on hype died that day lol
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Riotcops
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Edition number, by Riotcops on Jun 15, 2020 19:46:30 GMT 1, Question: edition size is 65. there are 10 printer proofs. AP size unknown. Is the print proof amount of 10 too much? Is rule PP should be 10% size of main prints?
I do personally value AP's more as they are assumed to be handled by the artists more-so than just signed in bulk. They are what the artist studies to give the go ahead to print. I do try to collect AP's or 1/XX out of personal preference.
Question: edition size is 65. there are 10 printer proofs. AP size unknown. Is the print proof amount of 10 too much? Is rule PP should be 10% size of main prints? Generally, from my understanding, the AP edition should be no more than 10% of the edition size - though it sometimes is. The PP's are gifts for each of the printers who worked on the edition, so that size will always vary. I do personally value AP's more as they are assumed to be handled by the artists more-so than just signed in bulk. They are what the artist studies to give the go ahead to print. I do try to collect AP's or 1/XX out of personal preference. |
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sfnyc
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Edition number, by sfnyc on Jun 16, 2020 2:38:39 GMT 1, The best edition number is 18. Case solved.
The best edition number is 18. Case solved.
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ab3
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Edition number, by ab3 on Jun 16, 2020 10:07:51 GMT 1, I think it's personal opinion and what makes you happy. Is there really that much in it? I think not.
AP's are nice to have if you can get them, but IMO they aren't significantly better than the standard prints. Someone once told me that with an AP it could be one of 10 or 25 identical prints, but the numbered ones are totally unique as there won't be another e.g. 15/75.
I have a few APs (never seen a PP) and love them, given the choice i suppose i'd probably pick them as they are slightly rarer, but I don't think i'd loose sleep over it.
I do have a favourite number edition to collect if I can get that number. Three is our fav number (and the magic number) so we've often asked if that is available and if it is, all the better. When we got a certain print that had a big edition size we knew we wouldn't be able to get 3/500, but we asked if they could source 333/500. So we've got quite a few prints with 3, 33 or 333 in them. Just a little personal thing.
If you like the art, just go for it and enjoy it.
I think it's personal opinion and what makes you happy. Is there really that much in it? I think not.
AP's are nice to have if you can get them, but IMO they aren't significantly better than the standard prints. Someone once told me that with an AP it could be one of 10 or 25 identical prints, but the numbered ones are totally unique as there won't be another e.g. 15/75.
I have a few APs (never seen a PP) and love them, given the choice i suppose i'd probably pick them as they are slightly rarer, but I don't think i'd loose sleep over it.
I do have a favourite number edition to collect if I can get that number. Three is our fav number (and the magic number) so we've often asked if that is available and if it is, all the better. When we got a certain print that had a big edition size we knew we wouldn't be able to get 3/500, but we asked if they could source 333/500. So we've got quite a few prints with 3, 33 or 333 in them. Just a little personal thing.
If you like the art, just go for it and enjoy it.
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robo
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Edition number, by robo on Jun 16, 2020 12:12:44 GMT 1, Not personally a fan of unnumbered APs for the above reasons. I'm never otherwise bothered about numbers unless they're super low (single digits in a big edition).
Did get offered a numbered HC aside from an edition for something (not Banksy) recently, which was a new one for me.
Not personally a fan of unnumbered APs for the above reasons. I'm never otherwise bothered about numbers unless they're super low (single digits in a big edition).
Did get offered a numbered HC aside from an edition for something (not Banksy) recently, which was a new one for me.
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Grillocracy
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Edition number, by Grillocracy on Jun 16, 2020 17:55:44 GMT 1, This is my favorite...
This is my favorite... |
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Javier
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Edition number, by Javier on Jun 16, 2020 19:38:11 GMT 1, This is my favorite...
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This is my favorite... ๐ค |
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Grillocracy
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Edition number, by Grillocracy on Jun 16, 2020 23:05:22 GMT 1, This is my favorite... ๐ค
Yeah, I never figured out how that happened, it just arrived that way over 20 years ago. The artist, George Rodrigue (the blue dog guy), died a few years back so the mystery will never be solved.
This is my favorite... ๐ค Yeah, I never figured out how that happened, it just arrived that way over 20 years ago. The artist, George Rodrigue (the blue dog guy), died a few years back so the mystery will never be solved. |
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Pawel
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Edition number, by Pawel on Jun 16, 2020 23:12:39 GMT 1, Yeah, I never figured out how that happened, it just arrived that way over 20 years ago. The artist, George Rodrigue (the blue dog guy), died a few years back so the mystery will never be solved.
Yeah, I never figured out how that happened, it just arrived that way over 20 years ago. The artist, George Rodrigue (the blue dog guy), died a few years back so the mystery will never be solved. I assume this is not an edition of 850? |
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Grillocracy
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Edition number, by Grillocracy on Jun 16, 2020 23:18:57 GMT 1, Nope. It was an edition of 800. His gallery offered to swap it after I first bought it but I liked the novelty of it.
Nope. It was an edition of 800. His gallery offered to swap it after I first bought it but I liked the novelty of it.
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sfnyc
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Edition number, by sfnyc on Jun 16, 2020 23:39:15 GMT 1, It's number 526 here, the intern's hand probably tired numbering so many...
It's number 526 here, the intern's hand probably tired numbering so many...
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Riotcops
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Edition number, by Riotcops on Jun 17, 2020 3:23:07 GMT 1, I think it's personal opinion and what makes you happy. Is there really that much in it? I think not. AP's are nice to have if you can get them, but IMO they aren't significantly better than the standard prints. Someone once told me that with an AP it could be one of 10 or 25 identical prints, but the numbered ones are totally unique as there won't be another e.g. 15/75. I have a few APs (never seen a PP) and love them, given the choice i suppose i'd probably pick them as they are slightly rarer, but I don't think i'd loose sleep over it. I do have a favourite number edition to collect if I can get that number. Three is our fav number (and the magic number) so we've often asked if that is available and if it is, all the better. When we got a certain print that had a big edition size we knew we wouldn't be able to get 3/500, but we asked if they could source 333/500. So we've got quite a few prints with 3, 33 or 333 in them. Just a little personal thing. If you like the art, just go for it and enjoy it.
I think it's personal opinion and what makes you happy. Is there really that much in it? I think not. AP's are nice to have if you can get them, but IMO they aren't significantly better than the standard prints. Someone once told me that with an AP it could be one of 10 or 25 identical prints, but the numbered ones are totally unique as there won't be another e.g. 15/75. I have a few APs (never seen a PP) and love them, given the choice i suppose i'd probably pick them as they are slightly rarer, but I don't think i'd loose sleep over it. I do have a favourite number edition to collect if I can get that number. Three is our fav number (and the magic number) so we've often asked if that is available and if it is, all the better. When we got a certain print that had a big edition size we knew we wouldn't be able to get 3/500, but we asked if they could source 333/500. So we've got quite a few prints with 3, 33 or 333 in them. Just a little personal thing. If you like the art, just go for it and enjoy it. I agree with this but have never received an unnumbered AP and wouldn't value an unnumbered one as highly for the reason you stated. |
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