rungsp
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by rungsp on Feb 9, 2021 12:25:35 GMT 1, At the risk of getting flamed here, and like the title says I am somewhat of a newbie.
A few years ago I embarked on an art collection.
A strict policy of one piece a year (OK maybe two) and from recognised artists.
Budget reality means prints not originals.
So far I am very happy, and more by luck than judgement I have chosen well if you measure success by value.
Price appreciation is sort-of nice, but never a criteria.
Any way...the question:
I have bought a recent print from somebody who is obviously flipping it. I applied on release but didn't get one. C'est la vie.
I do appreciate that by buying it from a flipper I am part of the system.
Is there a moral (?!) case for reporting the flipper?
Is there an advantage to me ? I.E. will I get put on a Good Person list?
Perhaps I am not that bothered really, but I wonder what the much more knowledgeable people here think...many thanks in advance.
At the risk of getting flamed here, and like the title says I am somewhat of a newbie.
A few years ago I embarked on an art collection.
A strict policy of one piece a year (OK maybe two) and from recognised artists.
Budget reality means prints not originals.
So far I am very happy, and more by luck than judgement I have chosen well if you measure success by value.
Price appreciation is sort-of nice, but never a criteria.
Any way...the question:
I have bought a recent print from somebody who is obviously flipping it. I applied on release but didn't get one. C'est la vie.
I do appreciate that by buying it from a flipper I am part of the system.
Is there a moral (?!) case for reporting the flipper?
Is there an advantage to me ? I.E. will I get put on a Good Person list?
Perhaps I am not that bothered really, but I wonder what the much more knowledgeable people here think...many thanks in advance.
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by inefficiencyof on Feb 9, 2021 12:42:45 GMT 1, My opinion (not worth the screen itโs typed on) is that if itโs bought with the intention to flip immediately after release for profit that it is unfair on those who attempted to purchase at source.
However, if after time (Not sure what would be considered acceptable) the original buyer wants to part ways then asking acceptable market value is fair. Parting ways may be due to change of taste, wall space, etc.
However, I also understand that art is now used as investment. So any collectors should understand this is how the art world works.
Personally If I purchased a piece of work for ยฃ500 and then 2-5years later it has doubled/ tripled or even 10-15years later it could pay off my mortgage then I would have to seriously consider this as for me that is a life changing sum of money.
My opinion (not worth the screen itโs typed on) is that if itโs bought with the intention to flip immediately after release for profit that it is unfair on those who attempted to purchase at source.
However, if after time (Not sure what would be considered acceptable) the original buyer wants to part ways then asking acceptable market value is fair. Parting ways may be due to change of taste, wall space, etc.
However, I also understand that art is now used as investment. So any collectors should understand this is how the art world works.
Personally If I purchased a piece of work for ยฃ500 and then 2-5years later it has doubled/ tripled or even 10-15years later it could pay off my mortgage then I would have to seriously consider this as for me that is a life changing sum of money.
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DAVID HOCKNEY
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by DAVID HOCKNEY on Feb 9, 2021 12:47:20 GMT 1, 'Is there a moral (?!) case for reporting the flipper?'
Probably also reports tweets to the Police when he gets offended by a joke.
'Is there a moral (?!) case for reporting the flipper?'
Probably also reports tweets to the Police when he gets offended by a joke.
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clueless
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by clueless on Feb 9, 2021 12:58:02 GMT 1, Uhh, what? No. Just be happy that someone was kind enough to flip an edition and continue growing your collection.
If no one was flipping the piece, you probably wouldn't have had the chance to acquire it.
Uhh, what? No. Just be happy that someone was kind enough to flip an edition and continue growing your collection.
If no one was flipping the piece, you probably wouldn't have had the chance to acquire it.
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by Random Ginger Bloke on Feb 9, 2021 13:02:41 GMT 1,
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by Happy Shopper on Feb 9, 2021 13:20:09 GMT 1, While flipping seems horrible, especially if you just missed out on a piece, it also shows the popularity of an artist, and increases their value.
And letโs be honest, part of the fun of collecting is knowing the value has risen, and the art you have is sought after.
So, you canโt really have collecting without the selling. But would be nice if people didnโt buy only to sell!
While flipping seems horrible, especially if you just missed out on a piece, it also shows the popularity of an artist, and increases their value.
And letโs be honest, part of the fun of collecting is knowing the value has risen, and the art you have is sought after.
So, you canโt really have collecting without the selling. But would be nice if people didnโt buy only to sell!
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avec art
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by avec art on Feb 9, 2021 13:34:18 GMT 1, how about when a gallery seeks the flipper and perhaps even finds ways to encourage it (timing/ shilling and so on). While simultaneously trying to look like they're taking the moral high ground by preventing it.
It was all to obvious recently with the fake post showing flipped ebay items getting cancelled when they weren't cancelled at all.
These guys were pretty sloppy and obvious about it, but it makes you wonder about some others who might be better at it.
how about when a gallery seeks the flipper and perhaps even finds ways to encourage it (timing/ shilling and so on). While simultaneously trying to look like they're taking the moral high ground by preventing it.
It was all to obvious recently with the fake post showing flipped ebay items getting cancelled when they weren't cancelled at all.
These guys were pretty sloppy and obvious about it, but it makes you wonder about some others who might be better at it.
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overend
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by overend on Feb 9, 2021 13:35:42 GMT 1, Nobody likes a flipper. ย Piss off yourself. ย Link to me flipping anything.... Ever. Go fuck yourself. t**t.ย
๐คฆโโ๏ธ
Nobody likes a flipper. ย Piss off yourself. ย Link to me flipping anything.... Ever. Go fuck yourself. t**t.ย ๐คฆโโ๏ธ |
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scarylarry
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by scarylarry on Feb 9, 2021 13:46:52 GMT 1, Nobody likes a snitch....
Nobody likes a snitch....
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rungsp
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by rungsp on Feb 9, 2021 14:18:10 GMT 1, An interesting set of replies!
To be clear:
I have not "narked"
I have not flipped
My strong inclination is to do neither
I just asked the question...
An interesting set of replies!
To be clear:
I have not "narked"
I have not flipped
My strong inclination is to do neither
I just asked the question...
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thehoarder
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by thehoarder on Feb 9, 2021 14:32:50 GMT 1, My opinion (not worth the screen itโs typed on) is that if itโs bought with the intention to flip immediately after release for profit that it is unfair on those who attempted to purchase at source. However, if after time (Not sure what would be considered acceptable) the original buyer wants to part ways then asking acceptable market value is fair. Parting ways may be due to change of taste, wall space, etc. However, I also understand that art is now used as investment. So any collectors should understand this is how the art world works. Personally If I purchased a piece of work for ยฃ500 and then 2-5years later it has doubled/ tripled or even 10-15years later it could pay off my mortgage then I would have to seriously consider this as for me that is a life changing sum of money.
i've just missed allocation and i can only hope some ppl immediately flip it!
i don't want to pay 10x in 10years. i'd rather pay x2 today.
also, ppl flipping stuff gives me a higher chance of actually getting it. these people are doing me a favor! if none of the flippers bet, sure my chance for a lower-priced piece would be bigger, but smaller to get a piece overall - albeit at a higher price!
if i was on the sell-side, i'd ban anyone who's whining about flippers for life.
cheers
My opinion (not worth the screen itโs typed on) is that if itโs bought with the intention to flip immediately after release for profit that it is unfair on those who attempted to purchase at source. However, if after time (Not sure what would be considered acceptable) the original buyer wants to part ways then asking acceptable market value is fair. Parting ways may be due to change of taste, wall space, etc. However, I also understand that art is now used as investment. So any collectors should understand this is how the art world works. Personally If I purchased a piece of work for ยฃ500 and then 2-5years later it has doubled/ tripled or even 10-15years later it could pay off my mortgage then I would have to seriously consider this as for me that is a life changing sum of money. au contraire. i've just missed allocation and i can only hope some ppl immediately flip it! i don't want to pay 10x in 10years. i'd rather pay x2 today. also, ppl flipping stuff gives me a higher chance of actually getting it. these people are doing me a favor! if none of the flippers bet, sure my chance for a lower-priced piece would be bigger, but smaller to get a piece overall - albeit at a higher price! if i was on the sell-side, i'd ban anyone who's whining about flippers for life. cheers |
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by inefficiencyof on Feb 9, 2021 14:41:05 GMT 1, My opinion (not worth the screen itโs typed on) is that if itโs bought with the intention to flip immediately after release for profit that it is unfair on those who attempted to purchase at source. However, if after time (Not sure what would be considered acceptable) the original buyer wants to part ways then asking acceptable market value is fair. Parting ways may be due to change of taste, wall space, etc. However, I also understand that art is now used as investment. So any collectors should understand this is how the art world works. Personally If I purchased a piece of work for ยฃ500 and then 2-5years later it has doubled/ tripled or even 10-15years later it could pay off my mortgage then I would have to seriously consider this as for me that is a life changing sum of money. au contraire. i've just missed allocation and i can only hope some ppl immediately flip it! i don't want to pay 10x in 10years. i'd rather pay x2 today.ย also, ppl flipping stuff gives me a higher chance of actually getting it. these people are doing me a favor! if none of the flippers bet, sure my chance for a lower-priced piece would be bigger, but smaller to get a piece overall - albeit at a higher price! if i was on the sell-side, i'd ban anyone who's whining about flippers for life.ย cheers
Thanks for the insight, nice to see a balanced counter from a viewpoint I didnโt consider. Definitely worth considering that flipping and selling on has its advantages. (Hope Iโm not banned for life! Lol)
My opinion (not worth the screen itโs typed on) is that if itโs bought with the intention to flip immediately after release for profit that it is unfair on those who attempted to purchase at source. However, if after time (Not sure what would be considered acceptable) the original buyer wants to part ways then asking acceptable market value is fair. Parting ways may be due to change of taste, wall space, etc. However, I also understand that art is now used as investment. So any collectors should understand this is how the art world works. Personally If I purchased a piece of work for ยฃ500 and then 2-5years later it has doubled/ tripled or even 10-15years later it could pay off my mortgage then I would have to seriously consider this as for me that is a life changing sum of money. au contraire. i've just missed allocation and i can only hope some ppl immediately flip it! i don't want to pay 10x in 10years. i'd rather pay x2 today.ย also, ppl flipping stuff gives me a higher chance of actually getting it. these people are doing me a favor! if none of the flippers bet, sure my chance for a lower-priced piece would be bigger, but smaller to get a piece overall - albeit at a higher price! if i was on the sell-side, i'd ban anyone who's whining about flippers for life.ย cheers Thanks for the insight, nice to see a balanced counter from a viewpoint I didnโt consider. Definitely worth considering that flipping and selling on has its advantages. (Hope Iโm not banned for life! Lol) |
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Dive Jedi
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by Dive Jedi on Feb 9, 2021 14:41:15 GMT 1, Link to me flipping anything.... Ever. Go fuck yourself. t**t. I think we all know who the t**t is around here. (Clue: It's the one who sticks up for flippers and tells other people to "piss off" and "go fuck themselves"). F**king tw*t.
Your families must be so proud of you both.....
Look, darling. I'm telling him!
Link to me flipping anything.... Ever. Go fuck yourself. t**t. I think we all know who the t**t is around here. (Clue: It's the one who sticks up for flippers and tells other people to "piss off" and "go fuck themselves"). F**king tw*t. Your families must be so proud of you both..... Look, darling. I'm telling him! |
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clueless
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by clueless on Feb 9, 2021 14:50:38 GMT 1, Let's not forget how most artists love to see the secondary market prices go up so they can then further adjust their pricing going forward.
Let's not forget how most artists love to see the secondary market prices go up so they can then further adjust their pricing going forward.
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Winks
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by Winks on Feb 9, 2021 16:18:13 GMT 1, Whatโs this whole snitching thing. Is there honour amongst art collectors and flippers or something.
World seems a pretty ruthless place to me and this Tom Brownโs School Days code is a bit lame.
Whatโs this whole snitching thing. Is there honour amongst art collectors and flippers or something.
World seems a pretty ruthless place to me and this Tom Brownโs School Days code is a bit lame.
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Invader1887
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by Invader1887 on Feb 9, 2021 18:05:25 GMT 1, Why is this in ART FOR SALE?
Why is this in ART FOR SALE?
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scarylarry
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by scarylarry on Feb 9, 2021 18:16:35 GMT 1, This guy thinks heโs the art police, someone give him a badge lol
This guy thinks heโs the art police, someone give him a badge lol
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tab1
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by tab1 on Feb 9, 2021 18:27:38 GMT 1, At the risk of getting flamed here, and like the title says I am somewhat of a newbie. A few years ago I embarked on an art collection. A strict policy of one piece a year (OK maybe two) and from recognised artists. Budget reality means prints not originals. So far I am very happy, and more by luck than judgement I have chosen well if you measure success by value. Price appreciation is sort-of nice, but never a criteria. Any way...the question: I have bought a recent print from somebody who is obviously flipping it.ย I applied on release but didn't get one. C'est la vie. I do appreciate that by buying it from a flipper I am part of the system. Is there a moral (?!) case for reporting the flipper? Is there an advantage to me ? I.E. will I get put on a Good Person list? Perhaps I am not that bothered really, but I wonder what the much more knowledgeable people here think...many thanks in advance.
hitmanforhire.net/
Flippers are the main line of work called upon for , % of the artwork of the disputed artwork is the fee
At the risk of getting flamed here, and like the title says I am somewhat of a newbie. A few years ago I embarked on an art collection. A strict policy of one piece a year (OK maybe two) and from recognised artists. Budget reality means prints not originals. So far I am very happy, and more by luck than judgement I have chosen well if you measure success by value. Price appreciation is sort-of nice, but never a criteria. Any way...the question: I have bought a recent print from somebody who is obviously flipping it.ย I applied on release but didn't get one. C'est la vie. I do appreciate that by buying it from a flipper I am part of the system. Is there a moral (?!) case for reporting the flipper? Is there an advantage to me ? I.E. will I get put on a Good Person list? Perhaps I am not that bothered really, but I wonder what the much more knowledgeable people here think...many thanks in advance. Flippers are the main line of work called upon for , % of the artwork of the disputed artwork is the fee |
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nighthawk
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by nighthawk on Feb 9, 2021 18:58:25 GMT 1, Let me get this straight...
Someone helped you out by selling you a print that you couldn't get on your own, and really wanted, and now you want to try and punish/hurt/burn them (and profit - good person list ๐) for it!? ๐คจ
All you've done here is ensure that nobody will ever sell to you again! Congrats
Let me get this straight...
Someone helped you out by selling you a print that you couldn't get on your own, and really wanted, and now you want to try and punish/hurt/burn them (and profit - good person list ๐) for it!? ๐คจ
All you've done here is ensure that nobody will ever sell to you again! Congrats
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graeme
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by graeme on Feb 9, 2021 19:07:27 GMT 1, Or just make another account.
Or just make another account.
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Masong
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by Masong on Feb 9, 2021 19:10:04 GMT 1, What an all round embarrassing thread
What an all round embarrassing thread
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scarylarry
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by scarylarry on Feb 9, 2021 19:35:46 GMT 1, If I was a betting man, I would bet he was the โteacher petโ in grade school...
If I was a betting man, I would bet he was the โteacher petโ in grade school...
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Gurn
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by Gurn on Feb 9, 2021 19:57:20 GMT 1, If you feel uncomfortable buying from flippers, then don't. Just purchase from source. If you miss that "must have" piece, don't worry about it. There will be another "must have" piece released soon enough.
If you feel uncomfortable buying from flippers, then don't. Just purchase from source. If you miss that "must have" piece, don't worry about it. There will be another "must have" piece released soon enough.
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Newar
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by Newar on Feb 9, 2021 21:06:15 GMT 1, is that you artorious007  
is that you artorious007 |
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floubi
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by floubi on Feb 9, 2021 21:28:57 GMT 1, While flipping seems horrible, especially if you just missed out on a piece, it also shows the popularity of an artist, and increases their value. And letโs be honest, part of the fun of collecting is knowing the value has risen, and the art you have is sought after. So, you canโt really have collecting without the selling. But would be nice if people didnโt buy only to sell!
Totally agree on that. If knowing the art you have is sought after is IMO part of the fun.
If not, you have thousands of artists selling art that doesnโt get flipped, because it hardly gets sold out. You can find beautiful artworks, even originals 
While flipping seems horrible, especially if you just missed out on a piece, it also shows the popularity of an artist, and increases their value. And letโs be honest, part of the fun of collecting is knowing the value has risen, and the art you have is sought after. So, you canโt really have collecting without the selling. But would be nice if people didnโt buy only to sell! Totally agree on that. If knowing the art you have is sought after is IMO part of the fun. If not, you have thousands of artists selling art that doesnโt get flipped, because it hardly gets sold out. You can find beautiful artworks, even originals |
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tab1
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by tab1 on Feb 9, 2021 23:22:29 GMT 1, The galleries And print shops mostly encourage Flippers although they will not admit it openly
They help drive the market, creates free pr
Leads to print drops to sell out instantly which the same artists/galleries
Use in their marketing to highlight Instant sellouts to new prospective buyers as most of the art is also sold as an investment
Without flippers most of the drops would be able to purchase months or years later , prime example Thierry noir until recent Which helps Benefit the artist as they increase their prices For a greater return to themselves
By having a Print release sellout in A day in some cases that is 300k in a day which is more beneficial to the artist than selling in drips and drabs an edition over two years, another example paco pomets original internacional took 3-4 years to sell out before flippers pounced after dismaland
It is annoying when you are a collector and appreciate the art but itโs part of the market and many artists could not afford to exist without them as they are a main part of their market .
The galleries And print shops mostly encourage Flippers although they will not admit it openly
They help drive the market, creates free pr
Leads to print drops to sell out instantly which the same artists/galleries
Use in their marketing to highlight Instant sellouts to new prospective buyers as most of the art is also sold as an investment
Without flippers most of the drops would be able to purchase months or years later , prime example Thierry noir until recent Which helps Benefit the artist as they increase their prices For a greater return to themselves
By having a Print release sellout in A day in some cases that is 300k in a day which is more beneficial to the artist than selling in drips and drabs an edition over two years, another example paco pomets original internacional took 3-4 years to sell out before flippers pounced after dismaland
It is annoying when you are a collector and appreciate the art but itโs part of the market and many artists could not afford to exist without them as they are a main part of their market .
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by iforgot my username on Feb 10, 2021 1:27:48 GMT 1,
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cest
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by cest on Feb 10, 2021 3:12:29 GMT 1, Snitches get..
Snitches get..
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Newbie question...should flippers be reported?, by sleazus1slord on Feb 10, 2021 3:31:37 GMT 1, Yes you shall report any and all flipping directly to their Mommies, crying and shaking your fists like a little baby helps the bad flipper man get what he deserves
Yes you shall report any and all flipping directly to their Mommies, crying and shaking your fists like a little baby helps the bad flipper man get what he deserves
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