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Takashi Murakami, by โ( อกโโฏอส อกโ)โ EnS on Mar 29, 2023 22:11:22 GMT 1, Oh yeah I saw this on on auction recently. Looking at the signature, I think itโs a fake. See below from reliable source
Oh yeah I saw this on on auction recently. Looking at the signature, I think itโs a fake. See below from reliable source
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Takashi Murakami, by Crime in the City on Mar 29, 2023 22:55:19 GMT 1, Those signatures are definitely not done by the same person...
Those signatures are definitely not done by the same person...
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esfer
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Takashi Murakami, by esfer on Mar 30, 2023 0:11:01 GMT 1, These originals are silk screens, and the line work should be exactly the same, or as near as. The colors are also wrong. I agree that it's a Fake. Decently made fake...but fake non the less.
So many fakes the days.
These originals are silk screens, and the line work should be exactly the same, or as near as. The colors are also wrong. I agree that it's a Fake. Decently made fake...but fake non the less.
So many fakes the days.
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kwatis
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Takashi Murakami, by kwatis on Mar 30, 2023 0:59:00 GMT 1, As stated, since it is a print, itโs editioned using the same screens and same ink. While water-based inks can oxidize slightly changing (usually going a hint/shade darker); I believe that Murakami uses oil-based, which doesnโt oxidize. So ink aside, placement on paper might have some understandable variance. Depending on how the edition was finished (cut or torn edges; donโt own one and havenโt cared to inspected) dimensions would also have tolerable variances. But the comment that has me thinking itโs likely fake is when the OP said โimage is enlargedโ compared to other prints. That means that it was printed at a different time (not editioned with others) but also, since it is larger, different screens were shot, with different film (the positives that make the stencils that are exposed on the screens). Thereโs be no reason to have them a different size, when (if you accept that editions may sometimes be partially printed at different times, inconsistently), the printers would just re-print the same file to make new film.
Combined with the talks of signatures looking off and the mentioned red flags, I would say itโs a fake. Thatโs just my opinion/assessment and use of my screen print knowledge.
As stated, since it is a print, itโs editioned using the same screens and same ink. While water-based inks can oxidize slightly changing (usually going a hint/shade darker); I believe that Murakami uses oil-based, which doesnโt oxidize. So ink aside, placement on paper might have some understandable variance. Depending on how the edition was finished (cut or torn edges; donโt own one and havenโt cared to inspected) dimensions would also have tolerable variances. But the comment that has me thinking itโs likely fake is when the OP said โimage is enlargedโ compared to other prints. That means that it was printed at a different time (not editioned with others) but also, since it is larger, different screens were shot, with different film (the positives that make the stencils that are exposed on the screens). Thereโs be no reason to have them a different size, when (if you accept that editions may sometimes be partially printed at different times, inconsistently), the printers would just re-print the same file to make new film.
Combined with the talks of signatures looking off and the mentioned red flags, I would say itโs a fake. Thatโs just my opinion/assessment and use of my screen print knowledge.
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Gentle Mental
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Takashi Murakami, by Gentle Mental on Mar 30, 2023 2:28:39 GMT 1, Where did you buy this from? So we could be aware. And possibly avoid.
Where did you buy this from? So we could be aware. And possibly avoid.
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Rsyok
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Takashi Murakami, by Rsyok on Mar 30, 2023 6:43:41 GMT 1, How was it packaged ? Murakami flat packaging is very distinctive. Murakami quality control is so high especially screen prints it wont be different. Message Kai kai kiki they will confirm.
How was it packaged ? Murakami flat packaging is very distinctive. Murakami quality control is so high especially screen prints it wont be different. Message Kai kai kiki they will confirm.
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john1539
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Takashi Murakami, by john1539 on Mar 30, 2023 8:29:19 GMT 1, Hi, yes please tell us where did you buy this from.
Hi, yes please tell us where did you buy this from.
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Takashi Murakami, by cheffe stefano on Mar 30, 2023 15:12:57 GMT 1, Hi, Thanks for these messages, yes, it's seems that they are made by different people, a signature similar to the mine can be found on Artsy, in the Martine Lawrence and Vogtle contemporary galleries (I don't really know if they are reliable), but you can see the same signature of mine also in the others items with different colours (I'm talking about:October story, May shower, August joy etc) Maybe I used wrong words, the image of mine (but also of others pieces, as you could see in the comparison images) is not enlarged, but if you focus on the little differences , it seems that some pieces have more image to the left,(max. 1,5mm) and others have more image to the right, it is like when you do a screen print and the original comes on the scotch tape who it delimits the surface of the reproduction; I don't know if it depends to the placement on paper of the original,as Kwatis has said, maybe it depends on this? I bought it from catawiki, a french private seller sell it to me. Thanks for your patience and sorry for my bad English.
Hi, Thanks for these messages, yes, it's seems that they are made by different people, a signature similar to the mine can be found on Artsy, in the Martine Lawrence and Vogtle contemporary galleries (I don't really know if they are reliable), but you can see the same signature of mine also in the others items with different colours (I'm talking about:October story, May shower, August joy etc) Maybe I used wrong words, the image of mine (but also of others pieces, as you could see in the comparison images) is not enlarged, but if you focus on the little differences , it seems that some pieces have more image to the left,(max. 1,5mm) and others have more image to the right, it is like when you do a screen print and the original comes on the scotch tape who it delimits the surface of the reproduction; I don't know if it depends to the placement on paper of the original,as Kwatis has said, maybe it depends on this? I bought it from catawiki, a french private seller sell it to me. Thanks for your patience and sorry for my bad English.
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Takashi Murakami, by cheffe stefano on Mar 30, 2023 15:57:07 GMT 1, I don't want fall on the classic arrogance of a person that doesn't recognise that he has bought a fake (at this point of my life, I can assure you that I'm a genuine idiot, for this reason it's possible that I bought a fake), but I can also say that the colours are the same, if you take a look at the photo of mine, where the image is complete, you can see that is pretty the same (take in account the difference about light, saturation of the camera etc etc), also between the two photos of mine that I posted,it seems that the colours are totally different. Really thanks for your opinion ๐
I don't want fall on the classic arrogance of a person that doesn't recognise that he has bought a fake (at this point of my life, I can assure you that I'm a genuine idiot, for this reason it's possible that I bought a fake), but I can also say that the colours are the same, if you take a look at the photo of mine, where the image is complete, you can see that is pretty the same (take in account the difference about light, saturation of the camera etc etc), also between the two photos of mine that I posted,it seems that the colours are totally different. Really thanks for your opinion ๐
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filippobf
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Takashi Murakami, by filippobf on Mar 30, 2023 16:30:43 GMT 1, I also bought a fake on catawiki write to support immediately or even call them on the phone. they gave me my money back.
I also bought a fake on catawiki write to support immediately or even call them on the phone. they gave me my money back.
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filippobf
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Takashi Murakami, by filippobf on Mar 30, 2023 16:40:30 GMT 1, does anyone know where the seller buys these prints?
does anyone know where the seller buys these prints?
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Takashi Murakami, by charles bukowski on Mar 30, 2023 17:26:13 GMT 1, Don't waste time contacting Catawiki because I had a problem with a seller for a damaged piece and I was not reimbursed Catawiki could not do anything, so they sent me a discount coupon
Don't waste time contacting Catawiki because I had a problem with a seller for a damaged piece and I was not reimbursed Catawiki could not do anything, so they sent me a discount coupon
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