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Poster Bob
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Hirst - Gormley - Pejac and more!, by Poster Bob on Jan 12, 2024 12:23:56 GMT 1, I don’t see any deals here, with all prices well above the current market and in excess of current forum listings. The Hirst set can be obtained for £12k here, and is not selling. The UPs are routinely trading for £4k. Perhaps you’d like to amend the subject line and post.
I don’t see any deals here, with all prices well above the current market and in excess of current forum listings. The Hirst set can be obtained for £12k here, and is not selling. The UPs are routinely trading for £4k. Perhaps you’d like to amend the subject line and post.
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Alex Artscapy
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Hirst - Gormley - Pejac and more!, by Alex Artscapy on Jan 12, 2024 14:05:58 GMT 1, Hey PosterBob, thanks for pointing it out.
I couldn't find anything much better priced than this online, hence the subject line.
Also, feel free to make an offer if of interest where you feel the market value is, the consignor may accept it 
Hey PosterBob, thanks for pointing it out. I couldn't find anything much better priced than this online, hence the subject line. Also, feel free to make an offer if of interest where you feel the market value is, the consignor may accept it |
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Alex Artscapy
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Hirst - Gormley - Pejac and more!, by Alex Artscapy on Jan 15, 2024 2:46:46 GMT 1, Thank you so much for this, got the point.
We went back to our consignors to see what we can do.
Below with revisited prices:
2. Hirst - Empress (set of 5) - £11.9K ( artscapy.com/page/view-ad?id=3189 ) - Mint. Still in original boxes. Never opened.
3. Gormley - Body - £1,390 ( artscapy.com/page/view-ad?id=3188 )
4. Pejac - Scarecrow (Special Edition) - £14,750K ( artscapy.com/page/view-ad?id=3190) - Framed by PFG
Also worth to add that that the art bought via Artscapy comes with complimentary insurance up to 12 months, which covers also shipping.
As here everyone is extremely familiar with the cost of insurance on transportation, you may appreciate that this will allow to save 2-3%.
You have also 14 days money back guaranteed.
Cheers,
A.
SOLD
1. Hirst - Currency UP
Thank you so much for this, got the point.
We went back to our consignors to see what we can do.
Below with revisited prices:
2. Hirst - Empress (set of 5) - £11.9K ( artscapy.com/page/view-ad?id=3189 ) - Mint. Still in original boxes. Never opened.
3. Gormley - Body - £1,390 ( artscapy.com/page/view-ad?id=3188 )
4. Pejac - Scarecrow (Special Edition) - £14,750K ( artscapy.com/page/view-ad?id=3190) - Framed by PFG
Also worth to add that that the art bought via Artscapy comes with complimentary insurance up to 12 months, which covers also shipping.
As here everyone is extremely familiar with the cost of insurance on transportation, you may appreciate that this will allow to save 2-3%.
You have also 14 days money back guaranteed.
Cheers,
A.
SOLD
1. Hirst - Currency UP
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Hirst - Gormley - Pejac and more!, by sean1397 on Jan 20, 2024 3:50:02 GMT 1, Just repost it - Art priced above market, but free insurance.
Seriously Artscapy is a neat concept but unless you lower the prices 15-20% it'll be a gone dead concept in 6-12 months. The idea makes a lot of sense. Pricing everything 20% above last sales is a sure fire way to gone
Just repost it - Art priced above market, but free insurance.
Seriously Artscapy is a neat concept but unless you lower the prices 15-20% it'll be a gone dead concept in 6-12 months. The idea makes a lot of sense. Pricing everything 20% above last sales is a sure fire way to gone
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briw
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Hirst - Gormley - Pejac and more!, by briw on Jan 20, 2024 11:42:00 GMT 1, Thank you so much for this, got the point. We went back to our consignors to see what we can do. Below with revisited prices: 2. Hirst - Empress (set of 5) - £11.9K ( artscapy.com/page/view-ad?id=3189 ) - Mint. Still in original boxes. Never opened. 3. Gormley - Body - £1,390 ( artscapy.com/page/view-ad?id=3188 ) 4. Pejac - Scarecrow (Special Edition) - £14,750K ( artscapy.com/page/view-ad?id=3190) - Framed by PFG Also worth to add that that the art bought via Artscapy comes with complimentary insurance up to 12 months, which covers also shipping. As here everyone is extremely familiar with the cost of insurance on transportation, you may appreciate that this will allow to save 2-3%. You have also 14 days money back guaranteed. Cheers, A. SOLD 1. Hirst - Currency UP
Is the Pejac an EE edition? If so there is a forest out there at the moment for 9K USD, the prices of Scattercrow/Forest are usually pretty similar.
Thank you so much for this, got the point. We went back to our consignors to see what we can do. Below with revisited prices: 2. Hirst - Empress (set of 5) - £11.9K ( artscapy.com/page/view-ad?id=3189 ) - Mint. Still in original boxes. Never opened. 3. Gormley - Body - £1,390 ( artscapy.com/page/view-ad?id=3188 ) 4. Pejac - Scarecrow (Special Edition) - £14,750K ( artscapy.com/page/view-ad?id=3190) - Framed by PFG Also worth to add that that the art bought via Artscapy comes with complimentary insurance up to 12 months, which covers also shipping. As here everyone is extremely familiar with the cost of insurance on transportation, you may appreciate that this will allow to save 2-3%. You have also 14 days money back guaranteed. Cheers, A. SOLD 1. Hirst - Currency UP Is the Pejac an EE edition? If so there is a forest out there at the moment for 9K USD, the prices of Scattercrow/Forest are usually pretty similar. |
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artlike
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Hirst - Gormley - Pejac and more!, by artlike on Jan 20, 2024 18:50:16 GMT 1, I think all websites selling art, including Ebay list stuff above asking. You can make an offer usually. Even auction houses often have unreasonable estimates meaning pieces don't sell.
It would be really refreshing if items on Artscapy were listed at prices to sell, would certainly drive more engagement! Peeps want the money though.
I think all websites selling art, including Ebay list stuff above asking. You can make an offer usually. Even auction houses often have unreasonable estimates meaning pieces don't sell.
It would be really refreshing if items on Artscapy were listed at prices to sell, would certainly drive more engagement! Peeps want the money though.
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Alex Artscapy
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Hirst - Gormley - Pejac and more!, by Alex Artscapy on Jan 22, 2024 17:24:18 GMT 1, Thank you all for the useful feedback.
From what I'm reading it seems that the idea of market value is not something that is formalised. I see discordant data pointers.
So it's worth to define what is market value and I bet that each one will have a different view/opinion on this.
Is the latest auction result? With or without hammer, fee, VAT and ARR?
Is the lowest price on UAA? Or findable online?
Or the lowest price is already below market value cuz the majority of the supply is (trying) to sell it at the a different price point?
Is the frame part of the value?
What if you have to import it? Or ship it Belize (as one of our customer had to...)
Don't want to be philosophical, just hopefully opening an interesting discussion.
Cheers,
A.
Thank you all for the useful feedback.
From what I'm reading it seems that the idea of market value is not something that is formalised. I see discordant data pointers.
So it's worth to define what is market value and I bet that each one will have a different view/opinion on this.
Is the latest auction result? With or without hammer, fee, VAT and ARR?
Is the lowest price on UAA? Or findable online?
Or the lowest price is already below market value cuz the majority of the supply is (trying) to sell it at the a different price point?
Is the frame part of the value?
What if you have to import it? Or ship it Belize (as one of our customer had to...)
Don't want to be philosophical, just hopefully opening an interesting discussion.
Cheers,
A.
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Hirst - Gormley - Pejac and more!, by Richy Rich on Jan 22, 2024 18:16:25 GMT 1, Thank you all for the useful feedback. From what I'm reading it seems that the idea of market value is not something that is formalised. I see discordant data pointers. So it's worth to define what is market value and I bet that each one will have a different view/opinion on this. Is the latest auction result? With or without hammer, fee, VAT and ARR? Is the lowest price on UAA? Or findable online? Or the lowest price is already below market value cuz the majority of the supply is (trying) to sell it at the a different price point? Is the frame part of the value? What if you have to import it? Or ship it Belize (as one of our customer had to...) Don't want to be philosophical, just hopefully opening an interesting discussion. Cheers, A.
Although high quality framing reassures buyers that the piece has been protected and handled properly it's not usually something you can charge extra for when selling your piece, as there's every possibility that the new buyer will choose re-frame it in a style more pleasing to themselves.
Thank you all for the useful feedback. From what I'm reading it seems that the idea of market value is not something that is formalised. I see discordant data pointers. So it's worth to define what is market value and I bet that each one will have a different view/opinion on this. Is the latest auction result? With or without hammer, fee, VAT and ARR? Is the lowest price on UAA? Or findable online? Or the lowest price is already below market value cuz the majority of the supply is (trying) to sell it at the a different price point? Is the frame part of the value? What if you have to import it? Or ship it Belize (as one of our customer had to...) Don't want to be philosophical, just hopefully opening an interesting discussion. Cheers, A. As a general rule when it comes to auctions I'd suggest that the fairest reflection of the price would be the split between the hammer fee and what the buyer is paying after fees. That's how I've generally come to agreements with sellers when buying work that has also recently been sold at auction. Although high quality framing reassures buyers that the piece has been protected and handled properly it's not usually something you can charge extra for when selling your piece, as there's every possibility that the new buyer will choose re-frame it in a style more pleasing to themselves. |
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Alex Artscapy
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Hirst - Gormley - Pejac and more!, by Alex Artscapy on Jan 23, 2024 10:50:42 GMT 1, Thank you all for the useful feedback. From what I'm reading it seems that the idea of market value is not something that is formalised. I see discordant data pointers. So it's worth to define what is market value and I bet that each one will have a different view/opinion on this. Is the latest auction result? With or without hammer, fee, VAT and ARR? Is the lowest price on UAA? Or findable online? Or the lowest price is already below market value cuz the majority of the supply is (trying) to sell it at the a different price point? Is the frame part of the value? What if you have to import it? Or ship it Belize (as one of our customer had to...) Don't want to be philosophical, just hopefully opening an interesting discussion. Cheers, A. As a general rule when it comes to auctions I'd suggest that the fairest reflection of the price would be the split between the hammer fee and what the buyer is paying after fees. That's how I've generally come to agreements with sellers when buying work that has also recently been sold at auction. Although high quality framing reassures buyers that the piece has been protected and handled properly it's not usually something you can charge extra for when selling your piece, as there's every possibility that the new buyer will choose re-frame it in a style more pleasing to themselves.
Thank you all for the useful feedback. From what I'm reading it seems that the idea of market value is not something that is formalised. I see discordant data pointers. So it's worth to define what is market value and I bet that each one will have a different view/opinion on this. Is the latest auction result? With or without hammer, fee, VAT and ARR? Is the lowest price on UAA? Or findable online? Or the lowest price is already below market value cuz the majority of the supply is (trying) to sell it at the a different price point? Is the frame part of the value? What if you have to import it? Or ship it Belize (as one of our customer had to...) Don't want to be philosophical, just hopefully opening an interesting discussion. Cheers, A. As a general rule when it comes to auctions I'd suggest that the fairest reflection of the price would be the split between the hammer fee and what the buyer is paying after fees. That's how I've generally come to agreements with sellers when buying work that has also recently been sold at auction. Although high quality framing reassures buyers that the piece has been protected and handled properly it's not usually something you can charge extra for when selling your piece, as there's every possibility that the new buyer will choose re-frame it in a style more pleasing to themselves. Love this. But then what about other published prices or ebay? |
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Hirst - Gormley - Pejac and more!, by Richy Rich on Jan 23, 2024 15:01:43 GMT 1, As a general rule when it comes to auctions I'd suggest that the fairest reflection of the price would be the split between the hammer fee and what the buyer is paying after fees. That's how I've generally come to agreements with sellers when buying work that has also recently been sold at auction. Although high quality framing reassures buyers that the piece has been protected and handled properly it's not usually something you can charge extra for when selling your piece, as there's every possibility that the new buyer will choose re-frame it in a style more pleasing to themselves. Love this. But then what about other published prices or ebay?
As a general rule when it comes to auctions I'd suggest that the fairest reflection of the price would be the split between the hammer fee and what the buyer is paying after fees. That's how I've generally come to agreements with sellers when buying work that has also recently been sold at auction. Although high quality framing reassures buyers that the piece has been protected and handled properly it's not usually something you can charge extra for when selling your piece, as there's every possibility that the new buyer will choose re-frame it in a style more pleasing to themselves. Love this. But then what about other published prices or ebay? Common sense would probably dictate that anything available on the market (on any platform) would play a role in determining something's market value. I'm sure someone with a better background in economics could elaborate further. |
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Hirst - Gormley - Pejac and more!, by Carl Cashman Art on Jan 23, 2024 15:59:36 GMT 1, As a general rule when it comes to auctions I'd suggest that the fairest reflection of the price would be the split between the hammer fee and what the buyer is paying after fees. That's how I've generally come to agreements with sellers when buying work that has also recently been sold at auction. Although high quality framing reassures buyers that the piece has been protected and handled properly it's not usually something you can charge extra for when selling your piece, as there's every possibility that the new buyer will choose re-frame it in a style more pleasing to themselves. Love this. But then what about other published prices or ebay?
Once upon a time, there was an unwritten rule on this forum, that listed sales prices would be cheaper than ebay to consider the fees.
As a general rule when it comes to auctions I'd suggest that the fairest reflection of the price would be the split between the hammer fee and what the buyer is paying after fees. That's how I've generally come to agreements with sellers when buying work that has also recently been sold at auction. Although high quality framing reassures buyers that the piece has been protected and handled properly it's not usually something you can charge extra for when selling your piece, as there's every possibility that the new buyer will choose re-frame it in a style more pleasing to themselves. Love this. But then what about other published prices or ebay? Once upon a time, there was an unwritten rule on this forum, that listed sales prices would be cheaper than ebay to consider the fees. |
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met
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Hirst - Gormley - Pejac and more!, by met on Jan 23, 2024 16:25:40 GMT 1, Thank you all for the useful feedback. From what I'm reading it seems that the idea of market value is not something that is formalised. I see discordant data pointers. So it's worth to define what is market value and I bet that each one will have a different view/opinion on this. Is the latest auction result? With or without hammer, fee, VAT and ARR? Is the lowest price on UAA? Or findable online? Or the lowest price is already below market value cuz the majority of the supply is (trying) to sell it at the a different price point? Is the frame part of the value? What if you have to import it? Or ship it Belize (as one of our customer had to...) Don't want to be philosophical, just hopefully opening an interesting discussion. Cheers, A. As a general rule when it comes to auctions I'd suggest that the fairest reflection of the price would be the split between the hammer fee and what the buyer is paying after fees. That's how I've generally come to agreements with sellers when buying work that has also recently been sold at auction. Although high quality framing reassures buyers that the piece has been protected and handled properly it's not usually something you can charge extra for when selling your piece, as there's every possibility that the new buyer will choose re-frame it in a style more pleasing to themselves. Love this. But then what about other published prices or eb ay?
You, Artscapy, are the supposed professional here.
And yet, notwithstanding the polite and friendly tone, you're asking the questions of an amateur.
Moreover, you are doing so very publicly, on an open message board that is accessible to users worldwide.
It leaves me curious about your mindset.
Place yourself (at least for one moment) in the shoes of private sellers — sellers who may be looking to consign expensive artworks, either now or at some point in the future, and assessing their different options.
What kind of impression do you believe you are giving these potential clients of yours?
Consider what your questions truly say about the experience, levels of competence and reliability of Artscapy as a business within the wider art market. Or even what they say about the simple good judgement of its employees.
If you'll forgive my candour, the impression I get from Artscapy is one of cluelessness. A lack of professionalism.
That doesn't inspire confidence.
Thank you all for the useful feedback. From what I'm reading it seems that the idea of market value is not something that is formalised. I see discordant data pointers. So it's worth to define what is market value and I bet that each one will have a different view/opinion on this. Is the latest auction result? With or without hammer, fee, VAT and ARR? Is the lowest price on UAA? Or findable online? Or the lowest price is already below market value cuz the majority of the supply is (trying) to sell it at the a different price point? Is the frame part of the value? What if you have to import it? Or ship it Belize (as one of our customer had to...) Don't want to be philosophical, just hopefully opening an interesting discussion. Cheers, A. As a general rule when it comes to auctions I'd suggest that the fairest reflection of the price would be the split between the hammer fee and what the buyer is paying after fees. That's how I've generally come to agreements with sellers when buying work that has also recently been sold at auction. Although high quality framing reassures buyers that the piece has been protected and handled properly it's not usually something you can charge extra for when selling your piece, as there's every possibility that the new buyer will choose re-frame it in a style more pleasing to themselves. Love this. But then what about other published prices or eb ay? You, Artscapy, are the supposed professional here. And yet, notwithstanding the polite and friendly tone, you're asking the questions of an amateur. Moreover, you are doing so very publicly, on an open message board that is accessible to users worldwide. It leaves me curious about your mindset. Place yourself (at least for one moment) in the shoes of private sellers — sellers who may be looking to consign expensive artworks, either now or at some point in the future, and assessing their different options. What kind of impression do you believe you are giving these potential clients of yours? Consider what your questions truly say about the experience, levels of competence and reliability of Arts capy as a business within the wider art market. Or even what they say about the simple good judgement of its employees. If you'll forgive my candour, the impression I get from Arts capy is one of cluelessness. A lack of professionalism. That doesn't inspire confidence. |
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Alex Artscapy
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Hirst - Gormley - Pejac and more!, by Alex Artscapy on Jan 23, 2024 18:14:35 GMT 1, Love this. But then what about other published prices or eb ay? You, Artscapy, are the supposed professional here. And yet, notwithstanding the polite and friendly tone, you're asking the questions of an amateur. Moreover, you are doing so very publicly, on an open message board that is accessible to users worldwide. It leaves me curious about your mindset. Place yourself (at least for one moment) in the shoes of private sellers — sellers who may be looking to consign expensive artworks, either now or at some point in the future, and assessing their different options. What kind of impression do you believe you are giving these potential clients of yours? Consider what your questions truly say about the experience, levels of competence and reliability of Arts capy as a business within the wider art market. Or even what they say about the simple good judgement of its employees. If you'll forgive my candour, the impression I get from Arts capy is one of cluelessness. A lack of professionalism. That doesn't inspire confidence.
We do indeed place ourselves in the shoes of private sellers, new and experienced collectors every day, and this is the very reason why Artscapy exists.
The conversation we are having here is based on the fact that there are divergent views on what fair market value is, and I'm intrigued to hear what these are, why?
Because as a brand, we believe that having conversations deliver more value to our clients and audience than a blank statement.
I personally think that reading these kind of conversation helps what you call amateur collectors to formulate informed opinions on topics that have a lot of grey areas.
The Artscapy platform has been built around collector's needs and some of the improvements and features have been implemented thanks to the feedback of users of this forum.
I hope this helps to clarify but if you still think that this is synonyms of cluelessness or lack of experience welcome to do so, I guess we can't be loved by everyone after all.
Cheers,
A.
Love this. But then what about other published prices or eb ay? You, Artscapy, are the supposed professional here. And yet, notwithstanding the polite and friendly tone, you're asking the questions of an amateur. Moreover, you are doing so very publicly, on an open message board that is accessible to users worldwide. It leaves me curious about your mindset. Place yourself (at least for one moment) in the shoes of private sellers — sellers who may be looking to consign expensive artworks, either now or at some point in the future, and assessing their different options. What kind of impression do you believe you are giving these potential clients of yours? Consider what your questions truly say about the experience, levels of competence and reliability of Arts capy as a business within the wider art market. Or even what they say about the simple good judgement of its employees. If you'll forgive my candour, the impression I get from Arts capy is one of cluelessness. A lack of professionalism. That doesn't inspire confidence. Hi Met, I think that things are getting mixed up quite a bit and intentions have been definitely misinterpreted. We do indeed place ourselves in the shoes of private sellers, new and experienced collectors every day, and this is the very reason why Artscapy exists. The conversation we are having here is based on the fact that there are divergent views on what fair market value is, and I'm intrigued to hear what these are, why? Because as a brand, we believe that having conversations deliver more value to our clients and audience than a blank statement. I personally think that reading these kind of conversation helps what you call amateur collectors to formulate informed opinions on topics that have a lot of grey areas. The Artscapy platform has been built around collector's needs and some of the improvements and features have been implemented thanks to the feedback of users of this forum. I hope this helps to clarify but if you still think that this is synonyms of cluelessness or lack of experience welcome to do so, I guess we can't be loved by everyone after all. Cheers, A. |
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