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Dealing with forum members...., by anthoz on May 19, 2008 15:37:52 GMT 1, Guys,
Would genuinely like to know the experiences of anyone that has conducted sales or swaps with other members of the forum.
After being a member close to 12 months i decided to conduct my first transaction, as i rarely part with my art.
I have to say thus far each and every person i have dealt with has been a let down, unreliable and mostly dishonest.
I have agreed 4 sales for the same piece and each and everytime, at the last minute, people withdraw offers, change their mind on swaps, make excuses or simply ignore me. These members are often well established and have been here for a long time, i will not name names i am simply curious of others experieneces to help explain why pretty much everyone ive dealt with has been either a wannabe or a pisstaker.
My conclusions are thus:
1. Most people here are (without using the F word) trying to use the forum to increase their personal wealth and not in the least bit interested in the procurement and display of urban art. (flippers....doh sorry i nearly didnt use the F word)
2. Transactions with fellow members, both old and new, should be taken with a huge pinch of salt and with caution
3. Im bitter
;D
**UPDATE**
just completed my first deal with dogant, true gent, proper art fan and a really honest, sound guy...cheers mate
Guys,
Would genuinely like to know the experiences of anyone that has conducted sales or swaps with other members of the forum.
After being a member close to 12 months i decided to conduct my first transaction, as i rarely part with my art.
I have to say thus far each and every person i have dealt with has been a let down, unreliable and mostly dishonest.
I have agreed 4 sales for the same piece and each and everytime, at the last minute, people withdraw offers, change their mind on swaps, make excuses or simply ignore me. These members are often well established and have been here for a long time, i will not name names i am simply curious of others experieneces to help explain why pretty much everyone ive dealt with has been either a wannabe or a pisstaker.
My conclusions are thus:
1. Most people here are (without using the F word) trying to use the forum to increase their personal wealth and not in the least bit interested in the procurement and display of urban art. (flippers....doh sorry i nearly didnt use the F word)
2. Transactions with fellow members, both old and new, should be taken with a huge pinch of salt and with caution
3. Im bitter
;D
**UPDATE**
just completed my first deal with dogant, true gent, proper art fan and a really honest, sound guy...cheers mate
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Dealing with forum members...., by manchestermike on May 19, 2008 15:44:31 GMT 1, On the subject of deals - PM me mate 
I've had many very good, very easy transactions on this forum, and never once had a problem up until the last 3-4 months when most of them have fallen apart for the reasons stated in your post.
On the subject of deals - PM me mate I've had many very good, very easy transactions on this forum, and never once had a problem up until the last 3-4 months when most of them have fallen apart for the reasons stated in your post. |
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streetgirl
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Dealing with forum members...., by streetgirl on May 19, 2008 15:46:12 GMT 1, Feel for you anthoz.
Just look at afroken's thread - he's been trying to sell 3 Banksy's for an age now and has been let down on numerous occasions.
I have successfully completed about 5 8/9 (sorry just remembered about 4 more that I'd forgotten about as were given on as gifts) different transactions forum members. I'd say 75% were swift and smooth.
The others took a little coersion e.g. 'Are we doing the deal or what?'.
I think the problem is often people get excited and go rushing in, knowing they don't honestly have the funds or the intention.
It doesn't help you I know. But I think we've all been there to a degree.
Feel for you anthoz.
Just look at afroken's thread - he's been trying to sell 3 Banksy's for an age now and has been let down on numerous occasions.
I have successfully completed about 5 8/9 (sorry just remembered about 4 more that I'd forgotten about as were given on as gifts) different transactions forum members. I'd say 75% were swift and smooth.
The others took a little coersion e.g. 'Are we doing the deal or what?'.
I think the problem is often people get excited and go rushing in, knowing they don't honestly have the funds or the intention.
It doesn't help you I know. But I think we've all been there to a degree.
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Natas
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Dealing with forum members...., by Natas on May 19, 2008 15:56:46 GMT 1, Its been said before, maybe a name and shame section! Just completed a deal with Top and he was a pleasure to deal with.
Its been said before, maybe a name and shame section! Just completed a deal with Top and he was a pleasure to deal with.
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Dealing with forum members...., by jonpud on May 19, 2008 16:03:18 GMT 1, I've had several dealings on here with different members, some good, some bad (mostly good though)
Communication is everything, also meet face to face if you can!
GOOD;
Harveyn
Poppysunshine
Copyright
Jed100375
Grafter
Jef Aerosol
Ronhill
Romanywg
Noodles1
Neverwork
Rabbitlegs
We Like Static
Crazyjake
Birdboxsniper
Steve
(If I have forgotten anyone.......sorry)
BAD;
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE! (And if a couple of you complete the deals that we agreed in good faith then I will happily add you to the good list!)
I've had several dealings on here with different members, some good, some bad (mostly good though)
Communication is everything, also meet face to face if you can!
GOOD;
Harveyn
Poppysunshine
Copyright
Jed100375
Grafter
Jef Aerosol
Ronhill
Romanywg
Noodles1
Neverwork
Rabbitlegs
We Like Static
Crazyjake
Birdboxsniper
Steve
(If I have forgotten anyone.......sorry)
BAD;
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE! (And if a couple of you complete the deals that we agreed in good faith then I will happily add you to the good list!)
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Dealing with forum members...., by Deleted on May 19, 2008 16:18:40 GMT 1, I've had 2 swap + cash deals go south in the past month. Last year, I had 3 good swap deals with no issues.
I've had 2 swap + cash deals go south in the past month. Last year, I had 3 good swap deals with no issues.
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Michael Jacob
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Dealing with forum members...., by Michael Jacob on May 19, 2008 16:31:15 GMT 1, Id also agree with those above that most deals go through smootly. A few need some pushing. Ive only had one BAD experience.
Id also agree with those above that most deals go through smootly. A few need some pushing. Ive only had one BAD experience.
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Dealing with forum members...., by Agent Provocateur on May 19, 2008 16:35:58 GMT 1, Just a little ray of sunshine...
I have dealt with about 20 to 30 members, some who have been sent free pieces, but the majority are people who have purchased pieces off me. Some are long term members and others very new, but the great thing is all the transactions so far have gone smoothly  ... ahhhh need some wood to touch ;D.
On top of that, not only has the communication been great and every one polite, but I have only asked for payment once their package has arrived safe and sound in one piece. OK, you may call me naive on this one, but again everyone has paid up without any fuss or chasing.
There are good people out there .
Just a little ray of sunshine... I have dealt with about 20 to 30 members, some who have been sent free pieces, but the majority are people who have purchased pieces off me. Some are long term members and others very new, but the great thing is all the transactions so far have gone smoothly ... ahhhh need some wood to touch ;D. On top of that, not only has the communication been great and every one polite, but I have only asked for payment once their package has arrived safe and sound in one piece. OK, you may call me naive on this one, but again everyone has paid up without any fuss or chasing. There are good people out there . |
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Martin Whatson
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Dealing with forum members...., by Martin Whatson on May 19, 2008 16:53:38 GMT 1, Ive had several good experiences with forum members.
Its quite hard to do sales on here I guess. At least when your trying to sell a piece that varies alot in value etc.
But mostly thing have been going wery smooth.
Ive had several good experiences with forum members.
Its quite hard to do sales on here I guess. At least when your trying to sell a piece that varies alot in value etc.
But mostly thing have been going wery smooth.
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Dealing with forum members...., by doublehelix on May 19, 2008 16:55:22 GMT 1, Prices seem to gradually be going south at the moment, so that might be making people more twitchy than usual. I've had generally good experiences on here so far.
Prices seem to gradually be going south at the moment, so that might be making people more twitchy than usual. I've had generally good experiences on here so far.
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r1
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Dealing with forum members...., by r1 on May 19, 2008 17:00:56 GMT 1, No problems what so ever so far. I've met some good people as well who are members on here.
No problems what so ever so far. I've met some good people as well who are members on here.
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Dealing with forum members...., by ricosg11 on May 19, 2008 17:07:03 GMT 1, never had a problem per se. But thats how it goes with any sales. People in general are stupid and unreliable. If 10 people express interest and one comes through...just the way things go. Dont be discouraged.
never had a problem per se. But thats how it goes with any sales. People in general are stupid and unreliable. If 10 people express interest and one comes through...just the way things go. Dont be discouraged.
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Dealing with forum members...., by dotdot on May 19, 2008 17:20:22 GMT 1, I'd like to add, while caution is used quite a bit due to the amount
of spam which undoubtably comes of a forum with a few thousand
people, I've bought from a few and sold to a few folks - no trouble, no
delays and no issues of any note barring a tube crushing which
was resolved by a very helpful artist.
good luck with future transactions.
I'd like to add, while caution is used quite a bit due to the amount
of spam which undoubtably comes of a forum with a few thousand
people, I've bought from a few and sold to a few folks - no trouble, no
delays and no issues of any note barring a tube crushing which
was resolved by a very helpful artist.
good luck with future transactions.
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themightyreds
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Dealing with forum members...., by themightyreds on May 19, 2008 17:25:27 GMT 1, Not had many dealings with Forum members but last week did a piece-for-piece trade with no cash involved that went like clockwork.
A name-and-shame section shouldn't be a problem either.
Not had many dealings with Forum members but last week did a piece-for-piece trade with no cash involved that went like clockwork.
A name-and-shame section shouldn't be a problem either.
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shower
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Dealing with forum members...., by shower on May 19, 2008 17:27:13 GMT 1, ive made two deals here, one commissioned piece from jef aerosol. he has to be one of the nicest guys to deal with, i highly recommend him and his pieces!
but i never tried any deals with other members as i heard too many bad stories! until a couple of weeks ago when Sherlock Holmes was selling his mr jago, all i can say is that guy is sound! really good guy, i must have got it within 2 days of payment, i think it was in the post the same day i paid on paypal! highly recommended! (think he now goes under another name as hes an artist but i forget what it is!)
ive made two deals here, one commissioned piece from jef aerosol. he has to be one of the nicest guys to deal with, i highly recommend him and his pieces!
but i never tried any deals with other members as i heard too many bad stories! until a couple of weeks ago when Sherlock Holmes was selling his mr jago, all i can say is that guy is sound! really good guy, i must have got it within 2 days of payment, i think it was in the post the same day i paid on paypal! highly recommended! (think he now goes under another name as hes an artist but i forget what it is!)
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Dealing with forum members...., by bored with screen names on May 19, 2008 17:27:52 GMT 1, I've never had a problem with a deal that actually went through, but there are a lot of potential buyers that will PM with interest, then ignore any followups sent (it's okay if they don't like your price, but a PM saying so would be nice), or will lose interest within a day or decide they can't spend the money. Can be pretty annoying!
I've never had a problem with a deal that actually went through, but there are a lot of potential buyers that will PM with interest, then ignore any followups sent (it's okay if they don't like your price, but a PM saying so would be nice), or will lose interest within a day or decide they can't spend the money. Can be pretty annoying!
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dmandpenfold
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Dealing with forum members...., by dmandpenfold on May 19, 2008 17:30:12 GMT 1, i had a forum member promise to send me money to paypal a couple of weeks ago for an original denning, so i spent an hour wrapping it up in board etc as it has glass, i also put in a few extras. then i saw him posting looking for other bits so pm'd him. sorry i think i changed my mind!! ahhhhhhhhhhhh but have dealt with a few good guys as mike says its got a lot worse recently. i agree there should be a thread
Yep a thread would be helpful, the original respect system was meant to help here, however that got abused by the same dickheads who mess about on sales no doubt.
If you name and shame at least everyone knows why and if you disagree at least you get a chance to respond, it's all very open so people would no doubt be much more careful before casting wild accusations around.. that said it could also descend into a mother of all slanging match
i had a forum member promise to send me money to paypal a couple of weeks ago for an original denning, so i spent an hour wrapping it up in board etc as it has glass, i also put in a few extras. then i saw him posting looking for other bits so pm'd him. sorry i think i changed my mind!! ahhhhhhhhhhhh but have dealt with a few good guys as mike says its got a lot worse recently. i agree there should be a thread Yep a thread would be helpful, the original respect system was meant to help here, however that got abused by the same dickheads who mess about on sales no doubt. If you name and shame at least everyone knows why and if you disagree at least you get a chance to respond, it's all very open so people would no doubt be much more careful before casting wild accusations around.. that said it could also descend into a mother of all slanging match |
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Dealing with forum members...., by howlinhooker on May 19, 2008 17:30:54 GMT 1, IVE ONLY HAD 2 DEALINGS SINCE 2006 WHEN I JOINED THIS FORUM 2 TOP BLOKES AS WELL """"ZIPPY""""" AND """"AFROKEN""" ALWAYS BEST 2 MEET FACE TO FACE !!!!!
IVE ONLY HAD 2 DEALINGS SINCE 2006 WHEN I JOINED THIS FORUM 2 TOP BLOKES AS WELL """"ZIPPY""""" AND """"AFROKEN""" ALWAYS BEST 2 MEET FACE TO FACE !!!!!
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spirit
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Dealing with forum members...., by spirit on May 19, 2008 17:32:24 GMT 1, A name/shame/good trades/bad trades thread may sound a bit harsh but it sounds like it's becoming more necessary and I think it would quickly put a stop to a lot of the messing around that's going on around here now.
A name/shame/good trades/bad trades thread may sound a bit harsh but it sounds like it's becoming more necessary and I think it would quickly put a stop to a lot of the messing around that's going on around here now.
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dmandpenfold
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Dealing with forum members...., by dmandpenfold on May 19, 2008 17:33:07 GMT 1, so we're getting to see who all the good guys are, what about the bad....
so we're getting to see who all the good guys are, what about the bad....
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Dealing with forum members...., by afroken on May 19, 2008 17:35:28 GMT 1, IVE ONLY HAD 2 DEALINGS SINCE 2006 WHEN I JOINED THIS FORUM 2 TOP BLOKES AS WELL """"ZIPPY""""" AND """"AFROKEN""" ALWAYS BEST 2 MEET FACE TO FACE !!!!!
Thanks for the vote of confidence mate.
I think it's true that the last 2 or 3 months things have deteriorated. One guy in particular took all my banks details and I never heard from them again, which really really sucks.
IVE ONLY HAD 2 DEALINGS SINCE 2006 WHEN I JOINED THIS FORUM 2 TOP BLOKES AS WELL """"ZIPPY""""" AND """"AFROKEN""" ALWAYS BEST 2 MEET FACE TO FACE !!!!! Thanks for the vote of confidence mate. I think it's true that the last 2 or 3 months things have deteriorated. One guy in particular took all my banks details and I never heard from them again, which really really sucks. |
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luvlyjubly
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Dealing with forum members...., by luvlyjubly on May 19, 2008 17:39:26 GMT 1, Ive had a few problems of my own too... Many people do go back on offers but that is to be expected to some extent, as people do get cold feet or over estimate the liquidity of their own personal cashflow. So that issue doesn't bother me a great deal. However recently I also have made purchases, only to be ripped off as I have not recieved any COA's on 2 pieces and was assured I would be. So deals on here not all good!! not all bad either, but I for one will certainly be approaching with caution in the future.
Ive had a few problems of my own too... Many people do go back on offers but that is to be expected to some extent, as people do get cold feet or over estimate the liquidity of their own personal cashflow. So that issue doesn't bother me a great deal. However recently I also have made purchases, only to be ripped off as I have not recieved any COA's on 2 pieces and was assured I would be. So deals on here not all good!! not all bad either, but I for one will certainly be approaching with caution in the future.
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dmandpenfold
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Dealing with forum members...., by dmandpenfold on May 19, 2008 17:40:10 GMT 1, the other good thing about a thread is we'd get to see the same old lame excuses time and time again which would provide some amusement, at least those that deal poorly would have to start getting inventive.
and of course if you are likely to get named then you would also take care to conduct your business in a better manner in the first place and perhaps not be quite so blase.
One thing i would have to say of course is "no posting of PM's" it's just not the done thing
the other good thing about a thread is we'd get to see the same old lame excuses time and time again which would provide some amusement, at least those that deal poorly would have to start getting inventive. and of course if you are likely to get named then you would also take care to conduct your business in a better manner in the first place and perhaps not be quite so blase. One thing i would have to say of course is "no posting of PM's" it's just not the done thing |
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Heavyconsumer
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Dealing with forum members...., by Heavyconsumer on May 19, 2008 17:40:40 GMT 1, I'm finding it a little tough to sell too but then I'm quite new myself, so maybe that's understandable! One deal has been excellent and I'm waiting to hear that the piece arrived healthy! It was a high value piece too, so I thank the buyer for his confidence. The other deal fell apart after I was led right up the garden path and the guy going silent when I thought we were dotting Is and crossing Ts. This also led to my missing the Dreweatts deadline for these pieces (double gutted as it looks like a brilliant sale). I would guess he's responsible for plenty of other let downs too as his name pops up as an interested party quite frequently - I can't name him though.
I think the lesson I've learned is, don't count your chickens before they've hatched and take every deal with a pinch of salt until the cash is in the bank! Also, keep a mental note of who the "f**karounds" are and don't deal with them again.
I'm finding it a little tough to sell too but then I'm quite new myself, so maybe that's understandable! One deal has been excellent and I'm waiting to hear that the piece arrived healthy! It was a high value piece too, so I thank the buyer for his confidence. The other deal fell apart after I was led right up the garden path and the guy going silent when I thought we were dotting Is and crossing Ts. This also led to my missing the Dreweatts deadline for these pieces (double gutted as it looks like a brilliant sale). I would guess he's responsible for plenty of other let downs too as his name pops up as an interested party quite frequently - I can't name him though.
I think the lesson I've learned is, don't count your chickens before they've hatched and take every deal with a pinch of salt until the cash is in the bank! Also, keep a mental note of who the "f**karounds" are and don't deal with them again.
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Dealing with forum members...., by howlinhooker on May 19, 2008 17:40:44 GMT 1, IVE ONLY HAD 2 DEALINGS SINCE 2006 WHEN I JOINED THIS FORUM 2 TOP BLOKES AS WELL """"ZIPPY""""" AND """"AFROKEN""" ALWAYS BEST 2 MEET FACE TO FACE !!!!! Thanks for the vote of confidence mate. I think it's true that the last 2 or 3 months things have deteriorated. One guy in particular took all my banks details and I never heard from them again, which really really sucks.
IVE ONLY HAD 2 DEALINGS SINCE 2006 WHEN I JOINED THIS FORUM 2 TOP BLOKES AS WELL """"ZIPPY""""" AND """"AFROKEN""" ALWAYS BEST 2 MEET FACE TO FACE !!!!! Thanks for the vote of confidence mate. I think it's true that the last 2 or 3 months things have deteriorated. One guy in particular took all my banks details and I never heard from them again, which really really sucks. NO WORRIES MATE ""CATCH UP FOR A DRINK IN THE SUMMER""""!!!!! |
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Dealing with forum members...., by yapsey on May 19, 2008 17:42:38 GMT 1, i've had a couple of dealings with forum members that have been really pleasant. - the key is good communication - but i guess that rather obvious.
although, i have (if i can be honest...) backed out of one deal - just because my financial circumstances changed - sometimes people genuinely have to back out.
i've had a couple of dealings with forum members that have been really pleasant. - the key is good communication - but i guess that rather obvious.
although, i have (if i can be honest...) backed out of one deal - just because my financial circumstances changed - sometimes people genuinely have to back out.
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Dealing with forum members...., by Billy Sport on May 19, 2008 17:44:36 GMT 1, 2 deals went through, whatson was great and daveperry, had one deal via ebay from a member where the print sold at significant discount to original price, and it got damaged whilst being wrapped....
2 deals went through, whatson was great and daveperry, had one deal via ebay from a member where the print sold at significant discount to original price, and it got damaged whilst being wrapped....
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dmandpenfold
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Dealing with forum members...., by dmandpenfold on May 19, 2008 17:45:39 GMT 1, Backing out occasionally is fair enough if something happens, but if you are a serial renegade then at least it would show up.
All i can say is if you have to back out be honest, communicate with the seller asap, don't ignore them or go quiet and dont do it unless you really are stuck, good karma will always come around if you are genuine
Backing out occasionally is fair enough if something happens, but if you are a serial renegade then at least it would show up.
All i can say is if you have to back out be honest, communicate with the seller asap, don't ignore them or go quiet and dont do it unless you really are stuck, good karma will always come around if you are genuine
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luvlyjubly
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Dealing with forum members...., by luvlyjubly on May 19, 2008 17:52:45 GMT 1, good karma will always come around if you are genuine
I wish I could agree but I've always been honest and genuine and Ive been stung a few times ... and Im sure im not the only one... 
good karma will always come around if you are genuine I wish I could agree but I've always been honest and genuine and Ive been stung a few times ... and Im sure im not the only one... |
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Dealing with forum members...., by Simococo on May 19, 2008 17:55:16 GMT 1, 90% of all my dealings have been completely sound, but there are always going to be occasions when thing get a little funky.
Its just frustrating when communication breaks down
90% of all my dealings have been completely sound, but there are always going to be occasions when thing get a little funky.
Its just frustrating when communication breaks down
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... ahhhh need some wood to touch ;D.
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