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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by iwouldfollow youanywhere on Jul 8, 2008 20:48:00 GMT 1, ouch. sorry to hear that....
ouch. sorry to hear that....
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by viperuk on Jul 8, 2008 20:48:47 GMT 1, who was the seller, what was the listing number...
who was the seller, what was the listing number...
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by hlarmy on Jul 8, 2008 20:55:29 GMT 1, Hey G-man, sorry to hear this.
Presumably you have his full name, address etc. Can you not report (or threaten to report) him to the police unless he provides a full refund?
Speak to your bank to check whether you are covered and the Citizens Advice Bureau as they might be able to point you in the right direction. Sorry I can't be more help; good luck in your quest...
Hey G-man, sorry to hear this.
Presumably you have his full name, address etc. Can you not report (or threaten to report) him to the police unless he provides a full refund?
Speak to your bank to check whether you are covered and the Citizens Advice Bureau as they might be able to point you in the right direction. Sorry I can't be more help; good luck in your quest...
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by Heavyconsumer on Jul 8, 2008 21:00:12 GMT 1, Hey G-man, sorry to hear this. Presumably you have his full name, address etc. Can you not report (or threaten to report) him to the police unless he provides a full refund? Speak to your bank to check whether you are covered and the Citizens Advice Bureau as they might be able to point you in the right direction. Sorry I can't be more help; good luck in your quest...
Excellent advice. I know it won't get your money back, but of course you should report the inauthenticity to ebay too. I would certainly contact the Citizens Advice Bureau and the cops too. Hopefully, if your facts are straight and your threat is clear, this chancer will return your funds. After all you can prove where you sent the money and why. I hope you get the dough back. This makes me realise just how lucky I've been when I've paid by transfer in the past.
Hey G-man, sorry to hear this. Presumably you have his full name, address etc. Can you not report (or threaten to report) him to the police unless he provides a full refund? Speak to your bank to check whether you are covered and the Citizens Advice Bureau as they might be able to point you in the right direction. Sorry I can't be more help; good luck in your quest... Excellent advice. I know it won't get your money back, but of course you should report the inauthenticity to ebay too. I would certainly contact the Citizens Advice Bureau and the cops too. Hopefully, if your facts are straight and your threat is clear, this chancer will return your funds. After all you can prove where you sent the money and why. I hope you get the dough back. This makes me realise just how lucky I've been when I've paid by transfer in the past.
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by craigf on Jul 8, 2008 21:00:25 GMT 1, Really crap news, but pls let us know the details to try and stop someone else being done over in the same way. If your not too gutted some pictures would also be good, especially of the stamp etc.
Really crap news, but pls let us know the details to try and stop someone else being done over in the same way. If your not too gutted some pictures would also be good, especially of the stamp etc.
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by G-Man on Jul 8, 2008 21:01:39 GMT 1, the seller was called vogue1119
I have contact details, email, sddress in Cambridge etc..
I am going to pass on all the emails to the Police
He provided me with registered owner at POW details and said he had letters of prov from Laz etc etc
the seller was called vogue1119
I have contact details, email, sddress in Cambridge etc..
I am going to pass on all the emails to the Police
He provided me with registered owner at POW details and said he had letters of prov from Laz etc etc
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by G-Man on Jul 8, 2008 21:02:56 GMT 1, I have details of who I transferred to etc and I'll post pics in the next few days
I have details of who I transferred to etc and I'll post pics in the next few days
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by craigf on Jul 8, 2008 21:05:02 GMT 1, eBay has removed a signed CND auction by this seller, not sure if your auction is visible or not still
eBay has removed a signed CND auction by this seller, not sure if your auction is visible or not still
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by Harveyn on Jul 8, 2008 21:06:27 GMT 1, My advice would be tell him the personal details you have of his and give him 24 hours to refund the money or you will go to the Police.
Good luck.
My advice would be tell him the personal details you have of his and give him 24 hours to refund the money or you will go to the Police.
Good luck.
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by G-Man on Jul 8, 2008 21:12:19 GMT 1, Was item number 140246132416 now been removed as he is 'no longer registered'
His name was ROBERT McGARRY
Was item number 140246132416 now been removed as he is 'no longer registered'
His name was ROBERT McGARRY
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by eddiedangerous on Jul 8, 2008 21:14:24 GMT 1, if the worst comes to the worst you gotta shell out the 50 squids to prove it is fake
and i know somewhere in you theres a part of you hoping that it was a one off with hand finishing out of the series....
i only say that creally ause i'm hoping that on your behalf.
kill the fucker!!!!!!!!!!!
if the worst comes to the worst you gotta shell out the 50 squids to prove it is fake
and i know somewhere in you theres a part of you hoping that it was a one off with hand finishing out of the series....
i only say that creally ause i'm hoping that on your behalf.
kill the fucker!!!!!!!!!!!
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by hlarmy on Jul 8, 2008 21:15:32 GMT 1, or go round his house with a blowtorch and a pair of pliers
Remind me never to rip Bigman off
On a serious note, it may sound obvious but put his name into Google in "inverted commas"; it's a long shot but it's sometimes surprising what further information you can get. Gather as much info as possible before requesting your money and then hit him all at once....
or go round his house with a blowtorch and a pair of pliers Remind me never to rip Bigman off On a serious note, it may sound obvious but put his name into Google in "inverted commas"; it's a long shot but it's sometimes surprising what further information you can get. Gather as much info as possible before requesting your money and then hit him all at once....
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by bert on Jul 8, 2008 21:25:18 GMT 1, My advice would be tell him the personal details you have of his and give him 24 hours to refund the money or you will go to the Police.
Yep, do this. Also tell him you will take him to the small claims court to reclaim your money if he does not refund you (a threat of a CCJ that will affect his mortgage/CC/bank account applications might also get him to refund you).
The police might try and fob you off and say this is a civil matter, but do not accept this. Tell them it is a criminal matter as he has forged the print and thus it is fraud.
If his address details are fake, the police will have to go to a judge to get access to his real details (via his bank account details), but as it is a fairly large amount of money, they should be ok to get this.
Good luck, you have a strong paper trail so I hope you get a result and get your money back.
My advice would be tell him the personal details you have of his and give him 24 hours to refund the money or you will go to the Police. Yep, do this. Also tell him you will take him to the small claims court to reclaim your money if he does not refund you (a threat of a CCJ that will affect his mortgage/CC/bank account applications might also get him to refund you). The police might try and fob you off and say this is a civil matter, but do not accept this. Tell them it is a criminal matter as he has forged the print and thus it is fraud. If his address details are fake, the police will have to go to a judge to get access to his real details (via his bank account details), but as it is a fairly large amount of money, they should be ok to get this. Good luck, you have a strong paper trail so I hope you get a result and get your money back.
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by snakes on Jul 8, 2008 21:35:21 GMT 1, My advice would be tell him the personal details you have of his and give him 24 hours to refund the money or you will go to the Police. Yep, do this. Also tell him you will take him to the small claims court to reclaim your money if he does not refund you (a threat of a CCJ that will affect his mortgage/CC/bank account applications might also get him to refund you). The police might try and fob you off and say this is a civil matter, but do not accept this. Tell them it is a criminal matter as he has forged the print and thus it is fraud. If his address details are fake, the police will have to go to a judge to get access to his real details (via his bank account details), but as it is a fairly large amount of money, they should be ok to get this. Good luck, you have a strong paper trail so I hope you get a result and get your money back.
- a production order.
It may also reveal a number of other sins by this seller and the Police could end up with a nice little case in the long run so definitely get them on side asap
My advice would be tell him the personal details you have of his and give him 24 hours to refund the money or you will go to the Police. Yep, do this. Also tell him you will take him to the small claims court to reclaim your money if he does not refund you (a threat of a CCJ that will affect his mortgage/CC/bank account applications might also get him to refund you). The police might try and fob you off and say this is a civil matter, but do not accept this. Tell them it is a criminal matter as he has forged the print and thus it is fraud. If his address details are fake, the police will have to go to a judge to get access to his real details (via his bank account details), but as it is a fairly large amount of money, they should be ok to get this. Good luck, you have a strong paper trail so I hope you get a result and get your money back. - a production order. It may also reveal a number of other sins by this seller and the Police could end up with a nice little case in the long run so definitely get them on side asap
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by rillo on Jul 8, 2008 21:53:25 GMT 1, or go round his house with a blowtorch and a pair of pliers Remind me never to rip Bigman off On a serious note, it may sound obvious but put his name into Google in "inverted commas"; it's a long shot but it's sometimes surprising what further information you can get. Gather as much info as possible before requesting your money and then hit him all at once....
another obvious one but directory enquiries (post number on here)
or go round his house with a blowtorch and a pair of pliers Remind me never to rip Bigman off On a serious note, it may sound obvious but put his name into Google in "inverted commas"; it's a long shot but it's sometimes surprising what further information you can get. Gather as much info as possible before requesting your money and then hit him all at once.... another obvious one but directory enquiries (post number on here)
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by rosstierney on Jul 8, 2008 22:08:04 GMT 1, - although you have been ripped off, is this not ยฃ850 you were going to spend anyway? why the desperate sales thread?
- why would you buy from a seller who's hiding their 16 feedback? buy & hope?
- stick a ccj on him. it will cost you ยฃ75. he'll either pay you back before it reaches court (a small meeting room) or it will reach court & providing the judge rules in your favour, the ccj will stick until he pays you back
- although you have been ripped off, is this not ยฃ850 you were going to spend anyway? why the desperate sales thread?
- why would you buy from a seller who's hiding their 16 feedback? buy & hope?
- stick a ccj on him. it will cost you ยฃ75. he'll either pay you back before it reaches court (a small meeting room) or it will reach court & providing the judge rules in your favour, the ccj will stick until he pays you back
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by bullet on Jul 8, 2008 22:18:22 GMT 1, In the words of the woman from dragons den...
IF IT'S TO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT NORMALLY IS.
In the words of the woman from dragons den...
IF IT'S TO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT NORMALLY IS.
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by craigf on Jul 8, 2008 22:28:39 GMT 1, In the current environment an ยฃ850 LR is a real possibility, sometimes there are still good deals to be had. Obviously in this case with 100% hindsight it is possible to highlight the private feedback etc., but there are low feedback sellers who are ok. I think the main thing now is G-Man getting his money back and the seller what he deserves
In the current environment an ยฃ850 LR is a real possibility, sometimes there are still good deals to be had. Obviously in this case with 100% hindsight it is possible to highlight the private feedback etc., but there are low feedback sellers who are ok. I think the main thing now is G-Man getting his money back and the seller what he deserves
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by jellya on Jul 8, 2008 22:34:11 GMT 1, Sorry to hear about all this G. Really am.
In the 'policeaware' days of this forum we used to discuss fakes all the time and get experienced heads to give the yay or nay to ebay items with almost cast iron certainty.
This is probably a timely reminder for us all to use this forum and others for its expertise in such matters.
Sorry to hear about all this G. Really am.
In the 'policeaware' days of this forum we used to discuss fakes all the time and get experienced heads to give the yay or nay to ebay items with almost cast iron certainty.
This is probably a timely reminder for us all to use this forum and others for its expertise in such matters.
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by anakin on Jul 8, 2008 22:37:16 GMT 1, I had a similar problem on ebay with a thief.
I found the following link useful becuase it guides you through the police process if you decide to follow that route:
www.southyorks.police.uk/foi/information_classes/our_policies/viewer.php?id=163
The site is for South Yorks Police but the principles should apply whatever your local force happens to be.
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by bullet on Jul 8, 2008 22:41:45 GMT 1, Sorry to hear about all this G. Really am. In the 'policeaware' days of this forum we used to discuss fakes all the time and get experienced heads to give the yay or nay to ebay items with almost cast iron certainty. This is probably a timely reminder for us all to use this forum and others for its expertise in such matters.
Well, one of the old guard is back on here, i will wait for him to post but the more the merrier as it would help situations like this
Sorry to hear about all this G. Really am. In the 'policeaware' days of this forum we used to discuss fakes all the time and get experienced heads to give the yay or nay to ebay items with almost cast iron certainty. This is probably a timely reminder for us all to use this forum and others for its expertise in such matters. Well, one of the old guard is back on here, i will wait for him to post but the more the merrier as it would help situations like this
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by snakes on Jul 8, 2008 22:49:50 GMT 1, Alternatively try contacting Dave Courtney (OBE) as he will definitely do his best to get your money back although he may cost more than ยฃ850 but it may be worth it!
Alternatively try contacting Dave Courtney (OBE) as he will definitely do his best to get your money back although he may cost more than ยฃ850 but it may be worth it!
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by jonpud on Jul 9, 2008 8:59:46 GMT 1, the seller was called vogue1119 I have contact details, email, sddress in Cambridge etc.. I am going to pass on all the emails to the Police He provided me with registered owner at POW details and said he had letters of prov from Laz etc etc
I live near Cambridge and I know people!!
Short story for you;
When the first series of 'Lost' finished on a cliff hanger I decided to look on Ebay the following day for anyone selling DVD's of the next series (I guessed it would be there somewhere as it had already been aired in USA)
Sure enough some guy selling hundreds of knock off copies for ยฃ10 each, I sent my tenner by cheque and waited.......and waited.........yup, ripped off for ยฃ10, along with a couple of thousand other 'Lost' addicts!!
Anyway, like probably all the others I reported to Ebay, but at the end of the day it was just ยฃ10 so again like all the others what was the point in reporting to Police etc? (Even though this cunt had pocketed ยฃ20k+ in total!) Clever little scam when you think about it, he knew people would be desperate to see the next series and at ยฃ10 he knew nothing would come of it!
Anyway I fucking hate being ripped off and even considered driving over to Leicester to the address I posted the cheque to so that I could try and meet the guy, again decided it wasn't worth it!
A couple of weeks later I sat round my mothers watchin tv with the patio doors open, I heard a scuffle outside and was amazed to see a mole crawling along looking decidedly poorly, it keeled over and died in front of me. On closer inspection it had maggots crawling out of a wound on its underside, all very nasty!
I was about to throw the decomposing stinking animal over the fence into a farmers field when I suddenly had a wonderful idea! I got an empty shoe box and placed the mole into it, just for good measure I added some fresh Labrador shit from the garden into the box, I then taped the box with selotape and wrapped it in brown paper, I then posted it to the cunt in Leicester with a fucking great smile on my face, it was sent second class of course, just to give the contents time to ferment! ;D
I didn't get my tenner back, but it did leave me feeling a whole lot happier!
Sorry you were done over mate, it aint nice! But if you have his address, send him something nice through the post!!
the seller was called vogue1119 I have contact details, email, sddress in Cambridge etc.. I am going to pass on all the emails to the Police He provided me with registered owner at POW details and said he had letters of prov from Laz etc etc I live near Cambridge and I know people!! Short story for you; When the first series of 'Lost' finished on a cliff hanger I decided to look on Ebay the following day for anyone selling DVD's of the next series (I guessed it would be there somewhere as it had already been aired in USA) Sure enough some guy selling hundreds of knock off copies for ยฃ10 each, I sent my tenner by cheque and waited.......and waited.........yup, ripped off for ยฃ10, along with a couple of thousand other 'Lost' addicts!! Anyway, like probably all the others I reported to Ebay, but at the end of the day it was just ยฃ10 so again like all the others what was the point in reporting to Police etc? (Even though this cunt had pocketed ยฃ20k+ in total!) Clever little scam when you think about it, he knew people would be desperate to see the next series and at ยฃ10 he knew nothing would come of it! Anyway I fucking hate being ripped off and even considered driving over to Leicester to the address I posted the cheque to so that I could try and meet the guy, again decided it wasn't worth it! A couple of weeks later I sat round my mothers watchin tv with the patio doors open, I heard a scuffle outside and was amazed to see a mole crawling along looking decidedly poorly, it keeled over and died in front of me. On closer inspection it had maggots crawling out of a wound on its underside, all very nasty! I was about to throw the decomposing stinking animal over the fence into a farmers field when I suddenly had a wonderful idea! I got an empty shoe box and placed the mole into it, just for good measure I added some fresh Labrador shit from the garden into the box, I then taped the box with selotape and wrapped it in brown paper, I then posted it to the cunt in Leicester with a fucking great smile on my face, it was sent second class of course, just to give the contents time to ferment! ;D I didn't get my tenner back, but it did leave me feeling a whole lot happier! Sorry you were done over mate, it aint nice! But if you have his address, send him something nice through the post!!
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by mammal2 on Jul 9, 2008 9:20:58 GMT 1, the seller was called vogue1119 I have contact details, email, sddress in Cambridge etc.. I am going to pass on all the emails to the Police He provided me with registered owner at POW details and said he had letters of prov from Laz etc etc I live near Cambridge and I know people!! Short story for you; When the first series of 'Lost' finished on a cliff hanger I decided to look on Ebay the following day for anyone selling DVD's of the next series (I guessed it would be there somewhere as it had already been aired in USA) Sure enough some guy selling hundreds of knock off copies for ยฃ10 each, I sent my tenner by cheque and waited.......and waited.........yup, ripped off for ยฃ10, along with a couple of thousand other 'Lost' addicts!! Anyway, like probably all the others I reported to Ebay, but at the end of the day it was just ยฃ10 so again like all the others what was the point in reporting to Police etc? (Even though this c**t had pocketed ยฃ20k+ in total!) Clever little scam when you think about it, he knew people would be desperate to see the next series and at ยฃ10 he knew nothing would come of it! Anyway I f**king hate being ripped off and even considered driving over to Leicester to the address I posted the cheque to so that I could try and meet the guy, again decided it wasn't worth it! A couple of weeks later I sat round my mothers watchin tv with the patio doors open, I heard a scuffle outside and was amazed to see a mole crawling along looking decidedly poorly, it keeled over and died in front of me. On closer inspection it had maggots crawling out of a wound on its underside, all very nasty! I was about to throw the decomposing stinking animal over the fence into a farmers field when I suddenly had a wonderful idea! I got an empty shoe box and placed the mole into it, just for good measure I added some fresh Labrador s**t from the garden into the box, I then taped the box with selotape and wrapped it in brown paper, I then posted it to the c**t in Leicester with a f**king great smile on my face, it was sent second class of course, just to give the contents time to ferment! ;D I didn't get my tenner back, but it did leave me feeling a whole lot happier! Sorry you were done over mate, it aint nice! But if you have his address, send him something nice through the post!!
Ha. Beautiful work Pud!
the seller was called vogue1119 I have contact details, email, sddress in Cambridge etc.. I am going to pass on all the emails to the Police He provided me with registered owner at POW details and said he had letters of prov from Laz etc etc I live near Cambridge and I know people!! Short story for you; When the first series of 'Lost' finished on a cliff hanger I decided to look on Ebay the following day for anyone selling DVD's of the next series (I guessed it would be there somewhere as it had already been aired in USA) Sure enough some guy selling hundreds of knock off copies for ยฃ10 each, I sent my tenner by cheque and waited.......and waited.........yup, ripped off for ยฃ10, along with a couple of thousand other 'Lost' addicts!! Anyway, like probably all the others I reported to Ebay, but at the end of the day it was just ยฃ10 so again like all the others what was the point in reporting to Police etc? (Even though this c**t had pocketed ยฃ20k+ in total!) Clever little scam when you think about it, he knew people would be desperate to see the next series and at ยฃ10 he knew nothing would come of it! Anyway I f**king hate being ripped off and even considered driving over to Leicester to the address I posted the cheque to so that I could try and meet the guy, again decided it wasn't worth it! A couple of weeks later I sat round my mothers watchin tv with the patio doors open, I heard a scuffle outside and was amazed to see a mole crawling along looking decidedly poorly, it keeled over and died in front of me. On closer inspection it had maggots crawling out of a wound on its underside, all very nasty! I was about to throw the decomposing stinking animal over the fence into a farmers field when I suddenly had a wonderful idea! I got an empty shoe box and placed the mole into it, just for good measure I added some fresh Labrador s**t from the garden into the box, I then taped the box with selotape and wrapped it in brown paper, I then posted it to the c**t in Leicester with a f**king great smile on my face, it was sent second class of course, just to give the contents time to ferment! ;D I didn't get my tenner back, but it did leave me feeling a whole lot happier! Sorry you were done over mate, it aint nice! But if you have his address, send him something nice through the post!! Ha. Beautiful work Pud!
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by Guest on Jul 9, 2008 9:31:28 GMT 1, Im really sorry for you Gman, hope things work out, and you can get your money back from this scammer. some excellent advise given by forum members. I would definitely take this matter to the police, as its fraud and for a quiet a large amount of money. And i would follow Puds advice and at least get your own back with a nice surprise!
Im really sorry for you Gman, hope things work out, and you can get your money back from this scammer. some excellent advise given by forum members. I would definitely take this matter to the police, as its fraud and for a quiet a large amount of money. And i would follow Puds advice and at least get your own back with a nice surprise!
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by mcnuts on Jul 9, 2008 9:39:27 GMT 1, so it was YOU who did that to me then Pud!
great story
so it was YOU who did that to me then Pud! great story
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by jonpud on Jul 9, 2008 9:44:20 GMT 1, 100% True story! I am as easy going as they come, as no doubt a few members on here will vouch for, but I do hate being ripped off of my hard earned, regardless how small an amount!
I did think of shitting in the box myself, but then I thought they might be able to obtain a DNA sample from it!! ;D ;D ;D
100% True story! I am as easy going as they come, as no doubt a few members on here will vouch for, but I do hate being ripped off of my hard earned, regardless how small an amount!
I did think of shitting in the box myself, but then I thought they might be able to obtain a DNA sample from it!! ;D ;D ;D
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by mydeaddogwontwoof on Jul 9, 2008 9:59:31 GMT 1, Genius Pud.......... G-man you have got to send him a maggoty mole/dogshit combo parcel, proper classy!, & it will show him you mean business, or of course you could just pop round and stab him, (it's all the rage these days)
Genius Pud.......... G-man you have got to send him a maggoty mole/dogshit combo parcel, proper classy!, & it will show him you mean business, or of course you could just pop round and stab him, (it's all the rage these days)
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Prints at below cost HELP I'VE BEEN SCAMMED?, by Wiseblood on Jul 9, 2008 11:20:59 GMT 1, How did you know it was a fake?
How did you know it was a fake?
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