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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by cashman on Jan 21, 2009 0:57:51 GMT 1, 28 AP'S!!!!! that's insane
28 AP'S!!!!! that's insane
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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by Adamski on Jan 21, 2009 12:17:00 GMT 1, 28 AP'S!!!!! that's insane
Madness. Seems some artists are using APs as smaller limited runs. Surely APs are as the name suggests, supposed to be proofs for the artists, not shorter runs to be sold on as more exclusive editions.
As APs you'd expect them to have individual variations from the print run for experimentation. are these just the same as the larger edition?
28 AP'S!!!!! that's insane Madness. Seems some artists are using APs as smaller limited runs. Surely APs are as the name suggests, supposed to be proofs for the artists, not shorter runs to be sold on as more exclusive editions. As APs you'd expect them to have individual variations from the print run for experimentation. are these just the same as the larger edition? |
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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by mammal1 on Jan 21, 2009 12:28:33 GMT 1, 28 is just greed.
28 is just greed.
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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by schlomo on Jan 21, 2009 12:35:32 GMT 1, its been happening more and more tho. My mate bought dface liberty online and got an AP through, edition of 30 i think.... and its identical to the normal edition....
its been happening more and more tho. My mate bought dface liberty online and got an AP through, edition of 30 i think.... and its identical to the normal edition....
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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by pezlow on Jan 21, 2009 12:35:55 GMT 1, I always thought that AP's should be no more than 10% of the edition size. Otherwise the integrity of the edition is called into question.
I always thought that AP's should be no more than 10% of the edition size. Otherwise the integrity of the edition is called into question.
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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by mcnuts on Jan 21, 2009 13:05:20 GMT 1, its been happening more and more tho. My mate bought dface liberty online and got an AP through, edition of 30 i think.... and its identical to the normal edition....
If that's the case it seems a bit crooked or a bit of a cash grab, no? Like Pezlow said, traditionally it's 10-15% and was done so the artist could proof the image, tweak it if s/he wanted and also have some pieces for his her personal collection.
The street art scene seems to have gone mental over A/Ps seeing them as special etc which is a bit odd. Sure they are special if they are being worked out, or they are different in some way but it seems they are often an excuse to increase the size of a print run and bring home more bacon.
its been happening more and more tho. My mate bought dface liberty online and got an AP through, edition of 30 i think.... and its identical to the normal edition.... If that's the case it seems a bit crooked or a bit of a cash grab, no? Like Pezlow said, traditionally it's 10-15% and was done so the artist could proof the image, tweak it if s/he wanted and also have some pieces for his her personal collection. The street art scene seems to have gone mental over A/Ps seeing them as special etc which is a bit odd. Sure they are special if they are being worked out, or they are different in some way but it seems they are often an excuse to increase the size of a print run and bring home more bacon. |
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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by curiousgeorge on Jan 21, 2009 13:16:23 GMT 1, Wiki seems to have changed, i remember not long ago it stated 10% of the run. Now it says...
"An artist's proof is, at least in theory, an impression of a print taken in the printmaking process to see the current printing state of a plate while the plate (or stone, or woodblock...) is being worked on by the artist. A proof may show a clearly incomplete image, often called a working proof or trial impression, but in modern practice is usually used to describe an impression of the finished work that is identical to the numbered copies.[1] There can also be printer's proofs which are taken for the printer to see how the image is printing, or are final impressions the printer is allowed to keep; but normally the term "artist's proof" would cover both cases.
Artist's proofs are not included in the count of a limited edition, and sometimes the number of artist's proofs, which belong to the artist, can be surprisingly high at twenty or more. By convention, the artist is not supposed to sell these at once."
Wonder if BRP edited wiki (joke) 
Personally my preference would be for them to be different in some way
Wiki seems to have changed, i remember not long ago it stated 10% of the run. Now it says... "An artist's proof is, at least in theory, an impression of a print taken in the printmaking process to see the current printing state of a plate while the plate (or stone, or woodblock...) is being worked on by the artist. A proof may show a clearly incomplete image, often called a working proof or trial impression, but in modern practice is usually used to describe an impression of the finished work that is identical to the numbered copies.[1] There can also be printer's proofs which are taken for the printer to see how the image is printing, or are final impressions the printer is allowed to keep; but normally the term "artist's proof" would cover both cases. Artist's proofs are not included in the count of a limited edition, and sometimes the number of artist's proofs, which belong to the artist, can be surprisingly high at twenty or more. By convention, the artist is not supposed to sell these at once." Wonder if BRP edited wiki (joke) Personally my preference would be for them to be different in some way |
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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by motor on Jan 21, 2009 13:28:05 GMT 1,
Agree.
Unfortunately dface is not the only one 
Agree. Unfortunately dface is not the only one |
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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 13:31:47 GMT 1, Personally my preference would be for them to be different in some way
personally my preference would be for there to be less
there's a common denominator when its come's to the creation of so many A/P's and there's no hiding that fact
Personally my preference would be for them to be different in some way personally my preference would be for there to be less there's a common denominator when its come's to the creation of so many A/P's and there's no hiding that fact |
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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by Curley on Jan 21, 2009 13:55:35 GMT 1, I always thought that AP's should be no more than 10% of the edition size. Otherwise the integrity of the edition is called into question.
Have to agree with Perry i was also under the impression that if they are the same as the actual numbered edition there should be no more than 10% of the run.
28 on a run of 95 is a third more than the run.
I always thought that AP's should be no more than 10% of the edition size. Otherwise the integrity of the edition is called into question. Have to agree with Perry i was also under the impression that if they are the same as the actual numbered edition there should be no more than 10% of the run. 28 on a run of 95 is a third more than the run. |
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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 14:06:28 GMT 1, its been happening more and more tho. My mate bought dface liberty online and got an AP through, edition of 30 i think.... and its identical to the normal edition.... If that's the case it seems a bit crooked or a bit of a cash grab, no? Like Pezlow said, traditionally it's 10-15% and was done so the artist could proof the image, tweak it if s/he wanted and also have some pieces for his her personal collection. The street art scene seems to have gone mental over A/Ps seeing them as special etc which is a bit odd. Sure they are special if they are being worked out, or they are different in some way but it seems they are often an excuse to increase the size of a print run and bring home more bacon.
i reckon BRP also do 20 or so AP's as a safeguard just i case they have any damages ect. if you had a choice would you prefer an AP or a numbered edition?
its been happening more and more tho. My mate bought dface liberty online and got an AP through, edition of 30 i think.... and its identical to the normal edition.... If that's the case it seems a bit crooked or a bit of a cash grab, no? Like Pezlow said, traditionally it's 10-15% and was done so the artist could proof the image, tweak it if s/he wanted and also have some pieces for his her personal collection. The street art scene seems to have gone mental over A/Ps seeing them as special etc which is a bit odd. Sure they are special if they are being worked out, or they are different in some way but it seems they are often an excuse to increase the size of a print run and bring home more bacon. i reckon BRP also do 20 or so AP's as a safeguard just i case they have any damages ect. if you had a choice would you prefer an AP or a numbered edition? |
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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by manchestermike on Jan 21, 2009 14:07:39 GMT 1, I agree with the agreement. Any more than 10% is mad
I agree with the agreement. Any more than 10% is mad
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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by hippocroccopig on Jan 21, 2009 14:08:21 GMT 1, If that's the case it seems a bit crooked or a bit of a cash grab, no? Like Pezlow said, traditionally it's 10-15% and was done so the artist could proof the image, tweak it if s/he wanted and also have some pieces for his her personal collection. The street art scene seems to have gone mental over A/Ps seeing them as special etc which is a bit odd. Sure they are special if they are being worked out, or they are different in some way but it seems they are often an excuse to increase the size of a print run and bring home more bacon. i reckon BRP also do 20 or so AP's as a safeguard just i case they have any damages ect. if you had a choice would you prefer an AP or a numbered edition?
Damages shouldn't come into it. They will have spare prints made to cover damages.
If that's the case it seems a bit crooked or a bit of a cash grab, no? Like Pezlow said, traditionally it's 10-15% and was done so the artist could proof the image, tweak it if s/he wanted and also have some pieces for his her personal collection. The street art scene seems to have gone mental over A/Ps seeing them as special etc which is a bit odd. Sure they are special if they are being worked out, or they are different in some way but it seems they are often an excuse to increase the size of a print run and bring home more bacon. i reckon BRP also do 20 or so AP's as a safeguard just i case they have any damages ect. if you had a choice would you prefer an AP or a numbered edition? Damages shouldn't come into it. They will have spare prints made to cover damages. |
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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 14:14:21 GMT 1, i reckon BRP also do 20 or so AP's as a safeguard just i case they have any damages ect. if you had a choice would you prefer an AP or a numbered edition? Damages shouldn't come into it. They will have spare prints made to cover damages.
yes they are ap's so i'm told
i reckon BRP also do 20 or so AP's as a safeguard just i case they have any damages ect. if you had a choice would you prefer an AP or a numbered edition? Damages shouldn't come into it. They will have spare prints made to cover damages. yes they are ap's so i'm told |
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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by hippocroccopig on Jan 21, 2009 14:17:58 GMT 1, Damages shouldn't come into it. They will have spare prints made to cover damages. yes they are ap's so i'm told
I dont think that's right.
A/P's shouldn't be used to cover damages. They are a completely different thing. Damages should be replaced with a blank print which is re-numbered once the damaged one is destroyed.
I may be wrong though and I'm sure there is someone who knows better than me.
Damages shouldn't come into it. They will have spare prints made to cover damages. yes they are ap's so i'm told I dont think that's right. A/P's shouldn't be used to cover damages. They are a completely different thing. Damages should be replaced with a blank print which is re-numbered once the damaged one is destroyed. I may be wrong though and I'm sure there is someone who knows better than me. |
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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 14:20:59 GMT 1, yes they are ap's so i'm told I dont think that's right. A/P's shouldn't be used to cover damages. They are a completely different thing. Damages should be replaced with a blank print which is re-numbered once the damaged one is destroyed. I may be wrong though and I'm sure there is someone who knows better than me.
I have been misinformed then, either way more prints = more chance of getting one.
yes they are ap's so i'm told I dont think that's right. A/P's shouldn't be used to cover damages. They are a completely different thing. Damages should be replaced with a blank print which is re-numbered once the damaged one is destroyed. I may be wrong though and I'm sure there is someone who knows better than me. I have been misinformed then, either way more prints = more chance of getting one. |
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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by Prescription Art on Jan 21, 2009 14:32:02 GMT 1, 
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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 14:34:30 GMT 1,
Is that what a ยฃ50 note looks like? ;D
Is that what a ยฃ50 note looks like? ;D |
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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by pezlow on Jan 21, 2009 15:15:33 GMT 1, if you had a choice would you prefer an AP or a numbered edition?
Personally I would go for the numbered edition myself but I know I am in a minority on that. I have taken AP's before instead of the numbered edition when the AP's have been different from the edition in some way.
if you had a choice would you prefer an AP or a numbered edition? Personally I would go for the numbered edition myself but I know I am in a minority on that. I have taken AP's before instead of the numbered edition when the AP's have been different from the edition in some way. |
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sale/swap dface superman AP @ COST & dface decks , by schlomo on Jan 21, 2009 15:31:32 GMT 1, i think its nice to have an AP as long as its different from the run, or its say 1 of 10, with a main edition of 100 +, so i would take the AP over the numbered print in these cases.
i dont understand doing an AP run of 28 or 30 with all the prints the same, might as well just call it the second edition, or change one of the colours and do like POW did with the grey version of NOLA, and do a whole different edition.....
purely my view tho, sorry to hijack your thread here WF, but an interesting topic....
i think its nice to have an AP as long as its different from the run, or its say 1 of 10, with a main edition of 100 +, so i would take the AP over the numbered print in these cases.
i dont understand doing an AP run of 28 or 30 with all the prints the same, might as well just call it the second edition, or change one of the colours and do like POW did with the grey version of NOLA, and do a whole different edition.....
purely my view tho, sorry to hijack your thread here WF, but an interesting topic....
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