holden
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by holden on May 24, 2008 6:01:53 GMT 1, A few people contacted me regarding getting their items back, the items were up north, i was in london, now i am up here for a few days but if you want your art you will have to contact rotherham CID who now have every single piece of art that was not sold or paid for. They will tally this againsed neils original list and the list which i used to determine that i have sent all the money that was received to bluebell wood and that every other piece is accounted for. I know i am totally at fault for not getting the items sold quickly (and then losing my ability to sell on ebay) i have to concede that and take it on the chin. I do not want to argue with anyone, i just thought you should all know where your items are. I never intended to rip anyone off or the charity and this will be proved in due course. Once the case is concluded i will activly assist everyone who is struggling to get their items back, though i understand neil is providing the police with a list of who sent what, and i have my own list which i will be handing over too, so their should not be any problems getting them back. If anyone incurs any expense in getting them back i will compensate you. I suppose this is the time for me to sling mud, but i will only do so in my own direction. Im not perfect, im a bit lazy and disorganised, but i would never, ever steal from a childrens charity, or any charity for that matter and i would never take advantage of the people on these boards who were go selfless and generous. I know that when the investigation is over i will be vindicated of any wrong doing and that the artwork and figures will tally. however, that does not excuse my laziness and the fact that i didnt keep everyone informed, i should have and for that i apologise 100%. I wish each and every one of you nothing but the very best for the future. Well it takes balls to admit our mistakes - Thankyou Verbal
Or CID?
Hope it all works out as you say
A few people contacted me regarding getting their items back, the items were up north, i was in london, now i am up here for a few days but if you want your art you will have to contact rotherham CID who now have every single piece of art that was not sold or paid for. They will tally this againsed neils original list and the list which i used to determine that i have sent all the money that was received to bluebell wood and that every other piece is accounted for. I know i am totally at fault for not getting the items sold quickly (and then losing my ability to sell on ebay) i have to concede that and take it on the chin. I do not want to argue with anyone, i just thought you should all know where your items are. I never intended to rip anyone off or the charity and this will be proved in due course. Once the case is concluded i will activly assist everyone who is struggling to get their items back, though i understand neil is providing the police with a list of who sent what, and i have my own list which i will be handing over too, so their should not be any problems getting them back. If anyone incurs any expense in getting them back i will compensate you. I suppose this is the time for me to sling mud, but i will only do so in my own direction. Im not perfect, im a bit lazy and disorganised, but i would never, ever steal from a childrens charity, or any charity for that matter and i would never take advantage of the people on these boards who were go selfless and generous. I know that when the investigation is over i will be vindicated of any wrong doing and that the artwork and figures will tally. however, that does not excuse my laziness and the fact that i didnt keep everyone informed, i should have and for that i apologise 100%. I wish each and every one of you nothing but the very best for the future. Well it takes balls to admit our mistakes - Thankyou Verbal Or CID? Hope it all works out as you say
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by tomjedimaster on May 24, 2008 7:32:52 GMT 1, can someone PM me the rotherham CID contact details, or whoever is dealing with items? i'd like to get my donated print back...so i can donate it somewhere else.
can someone PM me the rotherham CID contact details, or whoever is dealing with items? i'd like to get my donated print back...so i can donate it somewhere else.
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Heavyconsumer
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Heavyconsumer on May 24, 2008 8:00:38 GMT 1, I can't get over this thread. Been following it for months now. Had I been posting on here when the project started, I no doubt would have donated a print and lost it like so many of you have. I hope this asshole gets what's coming to him! I dare say he will, one way or another, he doesn't seem like the brightest bulb on the tree! Well done to all who entered into this with good intentions. There have now been quite a few smaller scale charity happenings since this all took place and they seem to have gone really well, so don't lose heart. Well done to Neil too! Peace!
I can't get over this thread. Been following it for months now. Had I been posting on here when the project started, I no doubt would have donated a print and lost it like so many of you have. I hope this asshole gets what's coming to him! I dare say he will, one way or another, he doesn't seem like the brightest bulb on the tree! Well done to all who entered into this with good intentions. There have now been quite a few smaller scale charity happenings since this all took place and they seem to have gone really well, so don't lose heart. Well done to Neil too! Peace!
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themightyreds
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by themightyreds on May 24, 2008 9:32:28 GMT 1, Great... now got to figure out how to get my donations returned.
Anyone got the contact for the CID dept in Rotherham or shall i go fishing?
Great... now got to figure out how to get my donations returned.
Anyone got the contact for the CID dept in Rotherham or shall i go fishing?
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Curley
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Curley on May 24, 2008 9:36:52 GMT 1, Great... now got to figure out how to get my donations returned. Anyone got the contact for the CID dept in Rotherham or shall i go fishing?
directory enquiries or online maybe
Great... now got to figure out how to get my donations returned. Anyone got the contact for the CID dept in Rotherham or shall i go fishing? directory enquiries or online maybe
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Harveyn
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Harveyn on May 24, 2008 14:10:11 GMT 1, I am in contact with the CID and will be speaking to them on Monday again. I will keep everyone posted.
I am in contact with the CID and will be speaking to them on Monday again. I will keep everyone posted.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by verbalkint on May 24, 2008 16:23:34 GMT 1, I can't get over this thread. Been following it for months now. Had I been posting on here when the project started, I no doubt would have donated a print and lost it like so many of you have. I hope this asshole gets what's coming to him! I dare say he will, one way or another, he doesn't seem like the brightest bulb on the tree! Well done to all who entered into this with good intentions. There have now been quite a few smaller scale charity happenings since this all took place and they seem to have gone really well, so don't lose heart. Well done to Neil too! Peace!
just to let you know, i sold the major pieces first, the ones that would make the most money, raised almost 4 grand for the charity and then my paypal account was frozen and i was unable to receive payments or list items. I did offer to let someone else take over and send the prints to them but no one did (which is totally understandable) The bottom line is that the charity got every penny that was raised and every other piece of art has never been removed from its tube since it arrived and was checked off the list of expected items. There are a couple of people on this forum (well established members) who know me personally and would vouch for my integrity and generosity (infact i remember running a contest when the trollys print came out so someone who might have missed out would win a diamond instead. It was the administrator of these boards who won and i actually sent him a matching pair worth ยฃ1500 if i remember correctly). I have got numerous members preview invites when i couldnt go, sold on new premium release prints for face value and on one occasion let a forum member have a print for ยฃ600 which cost ยฃ900 because he really wanted it but could not afford the full amount. There was nothing at all in it for me, it was a selfless act and that was the intention with the charity auctions too, i just did not think about how much time it would take and how little of it i had spare. THAT is my mistake, i bit off more than i could chew.
Had you been around for longer than 3 months (maybe 15 months)posting as frequently as you have been then you would know me as a forum member and would understand you wanting to post an opinion of me (especially regarding making a witty comment about how smart i am). I dont see myself as a bad person, infact i see myself as a very generous person, but as i said before (along with harveyn) i am very disorganised and didnt give this the priority status that i should have, but i do not think that is reason for you to post a personal attack. I realise you are just going along with the general tone of the replies, but i think you will agree that it is pragmatic to at least know a bit about someone before you slur them.
I can't get over this thread. Been following it for months now. Had I been posting on here when the project started, I no doubt would have donated a print and lost it like so many of you have. I hope this asshole gets what's coming to him! I dare say he will, one way or another, he doesn't seem like the brightest bulb on the tree! Well done to all who entered into this with good intentions. There have now been quite a few smaller scale charity happenings since this all took place and they seem to have gone really well, so don't lose heart. Well done to Neil too! Peace! just to let you know, i sold the major pieces first, the ones that would make the most money, raised almost 4 grand for the charity and then my paypal account was frozen and i was unable to receive payments or list items. I did offer to let someone else take over and send the prints to them but no one did (which is totally understandable) The bottom line is that the charity got every penny that was raised and every other piece of art has never been removed from its tube since it arrived and was checked off the list of expected items. There are a couple of people on this forum (well established members) who know me personally and would vouch for my integrity and generosity (infact i remember running a contest when the trollys print came out so someone who might have missed out would win a diamond instead. It was the administrator of these boards who won and i actually sent him a matching pair worth ยฃ1500 if i remember correctly). I have got numerous members preview invites when i couldnt go, sold on new premium release prints for face value and on one occasion let a forum member have a print for ยฃ600 which cost ยฃ900 because he really wanted it but could not afford the full amount. There was nothing at all in it for me, it was a selfless act and that was the intention with the charity auctions too, i just did not think about how much time it would take and how little of it i had spare. THAT is my mistake, i bit off more than i could chew. Had you been around for longer than 3 months (maybe 15 months)posting as frequently as you have been then you would know me as a forum member and would understand you wanting to post an opinion of me (especially regarding making a witty comment about how smart i am). I dont see myself as a bad person, infact i see myself as a very generous person, but as i said before (along with harveyn) i am very disorganised and didnt give this the priority status that i should have, but i do not think that is reason for you to post a personal attack. I realise you are just going along with the general tone of the replies, but i think you will agree that it is pragmatic to at least know a bit about someone before you slur them.
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Run Pig Run
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Run Pig Run on May 24, 2008 17:17:06 GMT 1, You should of let Harveyn take control like he said would at the start, middle and end or at the very least keep the people who have donated thousands of pounds worth of stuff informed of what was going on and where the stuff was when we asked.
I think the only reason you are so apologetic now is because you've got the rozzers breathing down your neck and obviously this thread will be used in evidence should it go to court.
but at least you didn't get away with it i suppose and there seems a chance that the goods will eventually be sold and the money go to where it was meant to.
You should of let Harveyn take control like he said would at the start, middle and end or at the very least keep the people who have donated thousands of pounds worth of stuff informed of what was going on and where the stuff was when we asked.
I think the only reason you are so apologetic now is because you've got the rozzers breathing down your neck and obviously this thread will be used in evidence should it go to court.
but at least you didn't get away with it i suppose and there seems a chance that the goods will eventually be sold and the money go to where it was meant to.
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savilerogue
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by savilerogue on May 24, 2008 17:48:05 GMT 1, Verbal you've got 'bulls**tter' written all over you. The tone of your posts has only changed since the authorities were informed.
Just apologise, return the items and f**k off.
Verbal you've got 'bulls**tter' written all over you. The tone of your posts has only changed since the authorities were informed.
Just apologise, return the items and f**k off.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by mcnuts on May 24, 2008 21:14:36 GMT 1, i think a fraudster who has been outed in the press and is well known to the authorities should not have been trusted with a task like this. Questions should also be asked as to what has caused this sudden turn of "generosity"
i think a fraudster who has been outed in the press and is well known to the authorities should not have been trusted with a task like this. Questions should also be asked as to what has caused this sudden turn of "generosity"
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mikaeljacko
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by mikaeljacko on May 24, 2008 22:08:01 GMT 1, this is a very unsavoury series of events, from what i have read the people that run this forum have failed to act upon information relating to a convicted ebay fraudster running a charity auction.
what is astounding to me is not only the deafening silence from the administration but the fact they are on the payroll!!
this stinks like shit and for the greater good of the members i think there needs to be some form of clarification from the people that run this site. the lack of transparency is tantamount to conspiracy to de-fraud, unless is proven to the contrary.
this is a very unsavoury series of events, from what i have read the people that run this forum have failed to act upon information relating to a convicted ebay fraudster running a charity auction.
what is astounding to me is not only the deafening silence from the administration but the fact they are on the payroll!!
this stinks like shit and for the greater good of the members i think there needs to be some form of clarification from the people that run this site. the lack of transparency is tantamount to conspiracy to de-fraud, unless is proven to the contrary.
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Harveyn
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Harveyn on May 24, 2008 22:24:35 GMT 1, this is a very unsavoury series of events, from what i have read the people that run this forum have failed to act upon information relating to a convicted ebay fraudster running a charity auction. what is astounding to me is not only the deafening silence from the administration but the fact they are on the payroll!! this stinks like s hit and for the greater good of the members i think there needs to be some form of clarification from the people that run this site. the lack of transparency is tantamount to conspiracy to de-fraud, unless is proven to the contrary.
What!!! You my friend are an idiot. Read the thread from start to finish. Its not often I get upset but you as a new member or not are a spineless prat. I have dedicated countless hours to get this resolved and keep people informed and I am now going to do likewise with the police authorities. Please pm your telephone number and I can go through this personally with you and involve you with the police if you think you have any justification for your comments.
this is a very unsavoury series of events, from what i have read the people that run this forum have failed to act upon information relating to a convicted ebay fraudster running a charity auction. what is astounding to me is not only the deafening silence from the administration but the fact they are on the payroll!! this stinks like s hit and for the greater good of the members i think there needs to be some form of clarification from the people that run this site. the lack of transparency is tantamount to conspiracy to de-fraud, unless is proven to the contrary. What!!! You my friend are an idiot. Read the thread from start to finish. Its not often I get upset but you as a new member or not are a spineless prat. I have dedicated countless hours to get this resolved and keep people informed and I am now going to do likewise with the police authorities. Please pm your telephone number and I can go through this personally with you and involve you with the police if you think you have any justification for your comments.
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mikaeljacko
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by mikaeljacko on May 24, 2008 22:28:57 GMT 1, this is a very unsavoury series of events, from what i have read the people that run this forum have failed to act upon information relating to a convicted ebay fraudster running a charity auction. what is astounding to me is not only the deafening silence from the administration but the fact they are on the payroll!! this stinks like s hit and for the greater good of the members i think there needs to be some form of clarification from the people that run this site. the lack of transparency is tantamount to conspiracy to de-fraud, unless is proven to the contrary. What!!! You my friend are an idiot. Read the thread from start to finish. Its not often I get upset but you as a new member or not are a spineless prat. I have dedicated countless hours to get this resolved and keep people informed and I am now going to do likewise with the police authorities. Please pm your telephone number and I can go through this personally with you and involve you with the police if you think you have any justification for your comments.
PM'd you
this is a very unsavoury series of events, from what i have read the people that run this forum have failed to act upon information relating to a convicted ebay fraudster running a charity auction. what is astounding to me is not only the deafening silence from the administration but the fact they are on the payroll!! this stinks like s hit and for the greater good of the members i think there needs to be some form of clarification from the people that run this site. the lack of transparency is tantamount to conspiracy to de-fraud, unless is proven to the contrary. What!!! You my friend are an idiot. Read the thread from start to finish. Its not often I get upset but you as a new member or not are a spineless prat. I have dedicated countless hours to get this resolved and keep people informed and I am now going to do likewise with the police authorities. Please pm your telephone number and I can go through this personally with you and involve you with the police if you think you have any justification for your comments. PM'd you
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Daniel Silk on May 24, 2008 22:35:52 GMT 1, this is a very unsavoury series of events, from what i have read the people that run this forum have failed to act upon information relating to a convicted ebay fraudster running a charity auction. what is astounding to me is not only the deafening silence from the administration but the fact they are on the payroll!! this stinks like s hit and for the greater good of the members i think there needs to be some form of clarification from the people that run this site. the lack of transparency is tantamount to conspiracy to de-fraud, unless is proven to the contrary.
Comments and accusations such as yours do not help the situation but I think we can all tell by your tone that your not so much interested in resolving things, but to throw shit about at innocent people for whatever reasons
this is a very unsavoury series of events, from what i have read the people that run this forum have failed to act upon information relating to a convicted ebay fraudster running a charity auction. what is astounding to me is not only the deafening silence from the administration but the fact they are on the payroll!! this stinks like s hit and for the greater good of the members i think there needs to be some form of clarification from the people that run this site. the lack of transparency is tantamount to conspiracy to de-fraud, unless is proven to the contrary. Comments and accusations such as yours do not help the situation but I think we can all tell by your tone that your not so much interested in resolving things, but to throw shit about at innocent people for whatever reasons
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mikaeljacko
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by mikaeljacko on May 24, 2008 22:45:59 GMT 1, i've just spoken to haveryn and he kindly put me straight on a few matters so i appreciate that.
to silky, in light of not only this disasterous set of sales by verbalkint but also the fact he is a convicted fraudster and you well know that, do you not feel that the pair of diamonds you recieved from him constitutes a conflict of interests?
as such perhaps a donation to the bluebell hospice in light of your payment from the criminal at the centre of this debate would be seen as a gesture of goodwill on your part?
i've just spoken to haveryn and he kindly put me straight on a few matters so i appreciate that.
to silky, in light of not only this disasterous set of sales by verbalkint but also the fact he is a convicted fraudster and you well know that, do you not feel that the pair of diamonds you recieved from him constitutes a conflict of interests?
as such perhaps a donation to the bluebell hospice in light of your payment from the criminal at the centre of this debate would be seen as a gesture of goodwill on your part?
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Daniel Silk on May 24, 2008 22:55:48 GMT 1, i've just spoken to haveryn and he kindly put me straight on a few matters so i appreciate that. to silky, in light of not only this disasterous set of sales by verbalkint but also the fact he is a convicted fraudster and you well know that, do you not feel that the pair of diamonds you recieved from him constitutes a conflict of interests? as such perhaps a donation to the bluebell hospice in light of your payment from the criminal at the centre of this debate would be seen as a gesture of goodwill on your part?
Sorry but no matter how you try to manipulate things you cant pass the blame on to whoever you choose Just by running a forum it does not mean you take responsibility for ever single members actions. This person has done wrong, and it appears the whole thing is slowly getting sorted out by the correct authorities.
i've just spoken to haveryn and he kindly put me straight on a few matters so i appreciate that. to silky, in light of not only this disasterous set of sales by verbalkint but also the fact he is a convicted fraudster and you well know that, do you not feel that the pair of diamonds you recieved from him constitutes a conflict of interests? as such perhaps a donation to the bluebell hospice in light of your payment from the criminal at the centre of this debate would be seen as a gesture of goodwill on your part? Sorry but no matter how you try to manipulate things you cant pass the blame on to whoever you choose Just by running a forum it does not mean you take responsibility for ever single members actions. This person has done wrong, and it appears the whole thing is slowly getting sorted out by the correct authorities.
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mikaeljacko
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by mikaeljacko on May 24, 2008 23:07:47 GMT 1, but do you not feel at all responsible as the administrator by letting this verbalkint chap run roughshod over your members on your forum by giving him a platform to defraud?
then, you take a substantial payment from him and fail to uphold your moral obligation of questioning him and his integrity once light was brought to his past conviction. given all this, a conflict of interests and a general bad taste in the mouth, do you not think a selfless gesture by your good self in giving a donation to the bluebell hospice in respect of your payment from a convicted criminal would reflect positively on you and give a more dignified end to this whole sorry debacle?
but do you not feel at all responsible as the administrator by letting this verbalkint chap run roughshod over your members on your forum by giving him a platform to defraud?
then, you take a substantial payment from him and fail to uphold your moral obligation of questioning him and his integrity once light was brought to his past conviction. given all this, a conflict of interests and a general bad taste in the mouth, do you not think a selfless gesture by your good self in giving a donation to the bluebell hospice in respect of your payment from a convicted criminal would reflect positively on you and give a more dignified end to this whole sorry debacle?
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Daniel Silk on May 24, 2008 23:17:51 GMT 1, but do you not feel at all responsible as the administrator by letting this verbalkint chap run roughshod over your members on your forum by giving him a platform to defraud? then, you take a substantial payment from him and fail to uphold your moral obligation of questioning him and his integrity once light was brought to his past conviction. given all this, a conflict of interests and a general bad taste in the mouth, do you not think a selfless gesture by your good self in giving a donation to the bluebell hospice in respect of your payment from a convicted criminal would reflect positively on you and give a more dignified end to this whole sorry debacle?
I think you need to take care of what your saying! You are making very serious accusations, that are totally untrue. I was not involved with the charity auctions, and what you call a "payment" was a prize in a competition that everyone could see was totally random. Some of your comments here could drop you into seriously hot water! take care!
but do you not feel at all responsible as the administrator by letting this verbalkint chap run roughshod over your members on your forum by giving him a platform to defraud? then, you take a substantial payment from him and fail to uphold your moral obligation of questioning him and his integrity once light was brought to his past conviction. given all this, a conflict of interests and a general bad taste in the mouth, do you not think a selfless gesture by your good self in giving a donation to the bluebell hospice in respect of your payment from a convicted criminal would reflect positively on you and give a more dignified end to this whole sorry debacle? I think you need to take care of what your saying! You are making very serious accusations, that are totally untrue. I was not involved with the charity auctions, and what you call a "payment" was a prize in a competition that everyone could see was totally random. Some of your comments here could drop you into seriously hot water! take care!
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mikaeljacko
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by mikaeljacko on May 24, 2008 23:27:15 GMT 1, i have nothing to worry about, all the information is here in this thread, if i have the wrong end of the stick then fine, i apologise but i can only go on what i read and for the gaps that don't make sense then i ask the relevent poster.
nothing i have said did not happen?
you gave verbalkint a thread and moderator status?
you knew before it was made public on this forum that he had a previous conviction for deception in relation to auctions?
you accepted a gift from him for a substantial amount of money?
you decided to keep that gift, even when you knew exactly what kind of a person gave said gift to you?
you can see how these individual details may be seen to reflect badly on you?
you continue to refuse to pass on your dirty gift to sick and dying children in a hospice that was the supposed benefactor in all of this?
feel free to answer each question individually and rightly set me straight, point by point. i can only go by what i find and this is how it seems to me.
i have nothing to worry about, all the information is here in this thread, if i have the wrong end of the stick then fine, i apologise but i can only go on what i read and for the gaps that don't make sense then i ask the relevent poster.
nothing i have said did not happen?
you gave verbalkint a thread and moderator status?
you knew before it was made public on this forum that he had a previous conviction for deception in relation to auctions?
you accepted a gift from him for a substantial amount of money?
you decided to keep that gift, even when you knew exactly what kind of a person gave said gift to you?
you can see how these individual details may be seen to reflect badly on you?
you continue to refuse to pass on your dirty gift to sick and dying children in a hospice that was the supposed benefactor in all of this?
feel free to answer each question individually and rightly set me straight, point by point. i can only go by what i find and this is how it seems to me.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by tomjedimaster on May 24, 2008 23:32:08 GMT 1, come on, relax guys. a number of us donated stuff and it looked like a charity was getting screwed over. whatever...you win some and lose some. our donations were made in good faith, a charity received some cash (eventually?), and the remainder of the items will hopefully be returned in due course.
for those of you who are complaining, but didn't donate an item...i suggest that you keep to yourselves with your negative attacks on people that you don't know. at the end of the day, we chose to give something away to a random virtual member, and it didn't work out as planned.
Neil, thanks for your efforts on sorting out our "lost" items. i appreciate it.
come on, relax guys. a number of us donated stuff and it looked like a charity was getting screwed over. whatever...you win some and lose some. our donations were made in good faith, a charity received some cash (eventually?), and the remainder of the items will hopefully be returned in due course.
for those of you who are complaining, but didn't donate an item...i suggest that you keep to yourselves with your negative attacks on people that you don't know. at the end of the day, we chose to give something away to a random virtual member, and it didn't work out as planned.
Neil, thanks for your efforts on sorting out our "lost" items. i appreciate it.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Daniel Silk on May 24, 2008 23:33:46 GMT 1, i have nothing to worry about, all the information is here in this thread, if i have the wrong end of the stick then fine, i apologise but i can only go on what i read and for the gaps that don't make sense then i ask the relevent poster. nothing i have said did not happen? you gave verbalkint a thread and moderator status? you knew before it was made public on this forum that he had a previous conviction for deception in relation to auctions? you accepted a gift from him for a substantial amount of money? you decided to keep that gift, even when you knew exactly what kind of a person gave said gift to you? you can see how these individual details may be seen to reflect badly on you? you continue to refuse to pass on your dirty gift to sick and dying children in a hospice that was the supposed benefactor in all of this? feel free to answer each question individually and rightly set me straight, point by point. i can only go by what i find and this is how it seems to me.
Your talking complete bull shit!
i have nothing to worry about, all the information is here in this thread, if i have the wrong end of the stick then fine, i apologise but i can only go on what i read and for the gaps that don't make sense then i ask the relevent poster. nothing i have said did not happen? you gave verbalkint a thread and moderator status? you knew before it was made public on this forum that he had a previous conviction for deception in relation to auctions? you accepted a gift from him for a substantial amount of money? you decided to keep that gift, even when you knew exactly what kind of a person gave said gift to you? you can see how these individual details may be seen to reflect badly on you? you continue to refuse to pass on your dirty gift to sick and dying children in a hospice that was the supposed benefactor in all of this? feel free to answer each question individually and rightly set me straight, point by point. i can only go by what i find and this is how it seems to me. Your talking complete bull shit!
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Daniel Silk on May 24, 2008 23:38:05 GMT 1, Sorry but Im not in the mood to listen to this person tell total lies about me
Sorry but Im not in the mood to listen to this person tell total lies about me
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by tomjedimaster on May 24, 2008 23:53:52 GMT 1, just ignore the attacks silky and enjoy your long weekend. it's not worth pissing yourself off over it
just ignore the attacks silky and enjoy your long weekend. it's not worth pissing yourself off over it
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by mammal2 on May 25, 2008 1:15:52 GMT 1, I tell ya! I seriously worry about the people that post stuff like that It makes you think about what sort of twisted motives they have for spreadin s**t like that. I really think they must have some sort of problems Drugs? I dunno
You kept the diamonds quite Silky? I have nothing but disrespect for this Verbal who has made a fuck up. Posting an apology months later does not wash, and even if it was a competition.... jesus. ยฃ1500! I have nothing against a man making money but out of thousands you guess the right release date. Can you post the thread again?
I tell ya! I seriously worry about the people that post stuff like that It makes you think about what sort of twisted motives they have for spreadin s**t like that. I really think they must have some sort of problems Drugs? I dunno You kept the diamonds quite Silky? I have nothing but disrespect for this Verbal who has made a fuck up. Posting an apology months later does not wash, and even if it was a competition.... jesus. ยฃ1500! I have nothing against a man making money but out of thousands you guess the right release date. Can you post the thread again?
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by gingergit on May 25, 2008 3:34:49 GMT 1, Its a sorry situation all round and a shame it didnt turn out as well as it could have. Its at times like this that people are shown to be who they really are, be that a shining example or the very oposite.
Its a sorry situation all round and a shame it didnt turn out as well as it could have. Its at times like this that people are shown to be who they really are, be that a shining example or the very oposite.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Daniel Silk on May 25, 2008 10:15:53 GMT 1, I tell ya! I seriously worry about the people that post stuff like that It makes you think about what sort of twisted motives they have for spreadin s**t like that. I really think they must have some sort of problems Drugs? I dunno You kept the diamonds quite Silky? I have nothing but disrespect for this Verbal who has made a f**k up. Posting an apology months later does not wash, and even if it was a competition.... jesus. ยฃ1500! I have nothing against a man making money but out of thousands you guess the right release date. Can you post the thread again?
;D After a bit of searchin about - banksyforum.proboards82.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2793
I tell ya! I seriously worry about the people that post stuff like that It makes you think about what sort of twisted motives they have for spreadin s**t like that. I really think they must have some sort of problems Drugs? I dunno You kept the diamonds quite Silky? I have nothing but disrespect for this Verbal who has made a f**k up. Posting an apology months later does not wash, and even if it was a competition.... jesus. ยฃ1500! I have nothing against a man making money but out of thousands you guess the right release date. Can you post the thread again? ;D After a bit of searchin about - banksyforum.proboards82.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2793
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Deleted on May 25, 2008 10:34:34 GMT 1, the diamonds that Silky won in a competion, could have been won by anyone on this forum. it was posted openly that Silky won it at the time, he has done nothing that can be seen it the slightest bit dodgy.
the diamonds that Silky won in a competion, could have been won by anyone on this forum. it was posted openly that Silky won it at the time, he has done nothing that can be seen it the slightest bit dodgy.
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by verbalkint on May 25, 2008 10:40:26 GMT 1, woah woah woah
let me make one thing perfectly clear, At the time that silky received those diamonds from me (end of november), no one on these boards had any idea about my past. NO ONE. harveyn made the mistake earlier of saying he knew BEFORE christmas. Im pretty certain that it was the middle of january when he found out, long after all the art work was received.
As for the people saying that i am worried about the police and have 'changed my tone', the only derogatary tone i have ever directed on this thread is towards neil and that is not because of any other reason than personal issues between me and him, i have always admitted that his assessment of the situation was true (me being disorganised and lazy), I just didnt appreciate the way he spoke to my family and had discussions behind my back with the woman at the charity without even mentioning that he had done so, i have levelled 1 other threat to a member who said he was going to go to my parentss address and cause trouble. but if you think i am intimidated by rotherham CID then you are absolutely chatting the biggest load of shit in the world. I care as much about the police involvement in this matter as i care about the share price of google. I have nothing to hide, i never have.
As for the new member slagging off silky, i think you are out of line (and i have never had any problem with silky), i didnt mention that in my last post for people to have a go at him or insinuate that we were somehow in cahoots. I think silky will agree that i have been a good contributer to this forum. Do you also think that the guy i sold adam neates 'deep end' print to for ยฃ600 should give ยฃ300 to charity because he accepted it frm someone who would get a forum backlash in 6 months? Dont be bloody ridiculous.
the competition was to guess the time and date of the trollys release and also as a tie breaker, what editions they would be in. The prize was a diamond worth ยฃ1000. everyone who was on here at the time had a go (we all knew it would be an october release, just not the date) as it turned out, it came out on the last monday of the month and silky won. Why the fuck should he forgoe his prize, im glad he won, he puts loads of effort into this forum only for newbies to slag him off for accepting a prize.
I have always been ulra apologetic to the people who donated items, but to say i would risk my freedom for a few grand when i am in a financial position where i can give away ยฃ1500 on a whim is just bloody ridiculous. If i need cash i will sell my banksy original, or my 2 neate gallery pieces, or maybe the frank auerbach or one of the scores of signed banksy prints i have, or i could just go into my savings account. This is not an attempt at 'look at me and all the nice things i have', all i am saying is that you are putting this into a context of how much that money means to you, well you are all welcome to visit my apartment in mayfair and you will see exactly how much that money means to me. It is all relative. It is important to post this because i am getting the impression that the newer members think i am some dole scrounger living in an ex mining village who decided to rip forum members off to make a few quid. Well i am not. I deal in diamonds, i do not need to come up with schemes like that to get by, far from it. And that is why i did not bat an eyelid at sending silky 2 diamonds, it meant absolutely nothing to me. But why give him grief over it?
Absolutely no crime what so ever has been commited by myself, i am guilty of ineptitude and laziness at worst and i dont believe you can be charged with that
once this is all over and done with i will send silky a copy of my interview tapes so he can put them on here for you all to listen to. Obviously there are things i cannot disclose right now, but why not reserve judgement until you hear them? There is nothing worse than a lynch mob with half the facts. Also there is nothing worse than a bunch of people judging who just sit on their arse and do nothing but judge.
And i will stress one point again for the last time. I NEVER, EVER, NOT ONCE ASKED ANYONE TO SEND ME ANYTHING TO SELL. THIS IS A FACT. I WAS SELLING A DAN BALDWIN VASE AND TOLD EVERYONE THE MONEY WOULD GO TO CHARITY AND FROM THE IDEA WAS SPAWNED FOR ITEMS TO BE DONATED BY FORUM MEMBERS, BUT THAT IDEA NEITHER CAME FROM, WAS INSTIGATED BY, OR HAD ANYTHING WHAT SO EVER TO DO WITH ME.
There is not a soul on this board who will not back me up on that fact, it all just happened so quickly. I should have declined knowing i was running busineses taking up 18 hours of my day, every day, but i wanted to do a good thing. It came from a good place. I dont expect anyone to believe me, nor do i care if you do, but dont be nasty to silky. But before you pass judgement on me, how much money have you raised for charity? How many hours of your time do you give up for strangers? Would you buy a print for ยฃ900 and flip it for ยฃ600 when you could have got ยฃ2000+? Would you give away a ยฃ1500 prize to a forum member to make the fact that another banksy release has passed them by a bit more tolerable? if the answer is no, then fuck off with your judgements on me.
and once again, neither silky or neil knew about my past when the diamonds were given to silky and the idea of the charity auction were born. Also, lets say they had known (which they didnt) perhaps silky and neil are sensible enough to realise that a 5 year old incident is nothing to get worried about. If i had a list of convictions after that then fair enough, but 5 years is a long time. I see your username is mikaeljacko. Does that make you a michael jackson fan? Are you not sickened by the fact that he paid jordy chandler $20million dollers to drop the molestation charges? oh, but that was well over 10 years ago wasnt it. You have no problems with nonces then, they can change their sick feelings towards kids, but someone who stole money 5 years ago to support a drug habit cannot change, is that right? Let me enlighten you mr simpleton, you might have a brother and you have always been close, you have been doing a paper round for 4 years to save up for a scooter, its the most important thing in the world to you and everyone knows it. Your brother gets on smack, i guarantee he would steal every penny you had saved up without remorse. But if he then got clean he wold probably get a job and buy you one, but if he got back on the drugs again he wold take it from you and sell it again. My point is that when i comitted that crime 5 years ago i was not myself, but i suppose it is hard to understand unless you have experienced it. I suppose my point is that neil and silky dont have such a draconian and archaic veiw on peoples pasts as you do, but dont blame silky for accepting a gift which had absolutely nothing to do with the charity thing anyway
woah woah woah
let me make one thing perfectly clear, At the time that silky received those diamonds from me (end of november), no one on these boards had any idea about my past. NO ONE. harveyn made the mistake earlier of saying he knew BEFORE christmas. Im pretty certain that it was the middle of january when he found out, long after all the art work was received.
As for the people saying that i am worried about the police and have 'changed my tone', the only derogatary tone i have ever directed on this thread is towards neil and that is not because of any other reason than personal issues between me and him, i have always admitted that his assessment of the situation was true (me being disorganised and lazy), I just didnt appreciate the way he spoke to my family and had discussions behind my back with the woman at the charity without even mentioning that he had done so, i have levelled 1 other threat to a member who said he was going to go to my parentss address and cause trouble. but if you think i am intimidated by rotherham CID then you are absolutely chatting the biggest load of shit in the world. I care as much about the police involvement in this matter as i care about the share price of google. I have nothing to hide, i never have.
As for the new member slagging off silky, i think you are out of line (and i have never had any problem with silky), i didnt mention that in my last post for people to have a go at him or insinuate that we were somehow in cahoots. I think silky will agree that i have been a good contributer to this forum. Do you also think that the guy i sold adam neates 'deep end' print to for ยฃ600 should give ยฃ300 to charity because he accepted it frm someone who would get a forum backlash in 6 months? Dont be bloody ridiculous.
the competition was to guess the time and date of the trollys release and also as a tie breaker, what editions they would be in. The prize was a diamond worth ยฃ1000. everyone who was on here at the time had a go (we all knew it would be an october release, just not the date) as it turned out, it came out on the last monday of the month and silky won. Why the fuck should he forgoe his prize, im glad he won, he puts loads of effort into this forum only for newbies to slag him off for accepting a prize.
I have always been ulra apologetic to the people who donated items, but to say i would risk my freedom for a few grand when i am in a financial position where i can give away ยฃ1500 on a whim is just bloody ridiculous. If i need cash i will sell my banksy original, or my 2 neate gallery pieces, or maybe the frank auerbach or one of the scores of signed banksy prints i have, or i could just go into my savings account. This is not an attempt at 'look at me and all the nice things i have', all i am saying is that you are putting this into a context of how much that money means to you, well you are all welcome to visit my apartment in mayfair and you will see exactly how much that money means to me. It is all relative. It is important to post this because i am getting the impression that the newer members think i am some dole scrounger living in an ex mining village who decided to rip forum members off to make a few quid. Well i am not. I deal in diamonds, i do not need to come up with schemes like that to get by, far from it. And that is why i did not bat an eyelid at sending silky 2 diamonds, it meant absolutely nothing to me. But why give him grief over it?
Absolutely no crime what so ever has been commited by myself, i am guilty of ineptitude and laziness at worst and i dont believe you can be charged with that
once this is all over and done with i will send silky a copy of my interview tapes so he can put them on here for you all to listen to. Obviously there are things i cannot disclose right now, but why not reserve judgement until you hear them? There is nothing worse than a lynch mob with half the facts. Also there is nothing worse than a bunch of people judging who just sit on their arse and do nothing but judge.
And i will stress one point again for the last time. I NEVER, EVER, NOT ONCE ASKED ANYONE TO SEND ME ANYTHING TO SELL. THIS IS A FACT. I WAS SELLING A DAN BALDWIN VASE AND TOLD EVERYONE THE MONEY WOULD GO TO CHARITY AND FROM THE IDEA WAS SPAWNED FOR ITEMS TO BE DONATED BY FORUM MEMBERS, BUT THAT IDEA NEITHER CAME FROM, WAS INSTIGATED BY, OR HAD ANYTHING WHAT SO EVER TO DO WITH ME.
There is not a soul on this board who will not back me up on that fact, it all just happened so quickly. I should have declined knowing i was running busineses taking up 18 hours of my day, every day, but i wanted to do a good thing. It came from a good place. I dont expect anyone to believe me, nor do i care if you do, but dont be nasty to silky. But before you pass judgement on me, how much money have you raised for charity? How many hours of your time do you give up for strangers? Would you buy a print for ยฃ900 and flip it for ยฃ600 when you could have got ยฃ2000+? Would you give away a ยฃ1500 prize to a forum member to make the fact that another banksy release has passed them by a bit more tolerable? if the answer is no, then fuck off with your judgements on me.
and once again, neither silky or neil knew about my past when the diamonds were given to silky and the idea of the charity auction were born. Also, lets say they had known (which they didnt) perhaps silky and neil are sensible enough to realise that a 5 year old incident is nothing to get worried about. If i had a list of convictions after that then fair enough, but 5 years is a long time. I see your username is mikaeljacko. Does that make you a michael jackson fan? Are you not sickened by the fact that he paid jordy chandler $20million dollers to drop the molestation charges? oh, but that was well over 10 years ago wasnt it. You have no problems with nonces then, they can change their sick feelings towards kids, but someone who stole money 5 years ago to support a drug habit cannot change, is that right? Let me enlighten you mr simpleton, you might have a brother and you have always been close, you have been doing a paper round for 4 years to save up for a scooter, its the most important thing in the world to you and everyone knows it. Your brother gets on smack, i guarantee he would steal every penny you had saved up without remorse. But if he then got clean he wold probably get a job and buy you one, but if he got back on the drugs again he wold take it from you and sell it again. My point is that when i comitted that crime 5 years ago i was not myself, but i suppose it is hard to understand unless you have experienced it. I suppose my point is that neil and silky dont have such a draconian and archaic veiw on peoples pasts as you do, but dont blame silky for accepting a gift which had absolutely nothing to do with the charity thing anyway
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Charidee Complete & A Big THANK YOU!!!, by Martin Whatson on May 25, 2008 10:56:44 GMT 1, Its true that everybody deserves a second chance, but your post dont clarify whats going to happen with all the remaining artwork you have with you Verbal. Why dont you prove to people that you have gone past the earlier incidents and now can do the right thing again!?
I have been working day and night with the Burma Charity auctions, and know first hand how much work it is! That was why I wanted to do it in a limited time so it wouldnt get out of hand!
But can you please please either put up the rest of the auctions or deliver them to another forum member that wants to list them on ebay soon!? I still have some pieces thats with you. That I payed for the postage to get to you, and that was supposed to go to the charity. Not to be dusting down on your loft!
Sorry, but im a fan of giving people a secind chance, but now is the time to prove everybody wrong!?
So again, get this out of the world and please list or pass on the remaining pieces and donate the rest of the money!!!
Best. Martin
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Sorry. I did not see your previous post, but my post still stands!*
Its true that everybody deserves a second chance, but your post dont clarify whats going to happen with all the remaining artwork you have with you Verbal. Why dont you prove to people that you have gone past the earlier incidents and now can do the right thing again!? I have been working day and night with the Burma Charity auctions, and know first hand how much work it is! That was why I wanted to do it in a limited time so it wouldnt get out of hand! But can you please please either put up the rest of the auctions or deliver them to another forum member that wants to list them on ebay soon!? I still have some pieces thats with you. That I payed for the postage to get to you, and that was supposed to go to the charity. Not to be dusting down on your loft! Sorry, but im a fan of giving people a secind chance, but now is the time to prove everybody wrong! ? So again, get this out of the world and please list or pass on the remaining pieces and donate the rest of the money!!! Best. Martin *edit: Sorry. I did not see your previous post, but my post still stands!*
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