rkitek
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by rkitek on Nov 6, 2007 19:36:38 GMT 1, Looks like Faile is going to use a lottery system this time around. Hopefully this will mean everyone will have a chance to get something: www.faile.net/store/item.php?id=637161761
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by Filipino Box Spring Hog on Nov 6, 2007 19:50:24 GMT 1, That's as fair as it gets.
That's as fair as it gets.
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by iwouldfollow youanywhere on Nov 6, 2007 19:52:37 GMT 1, yes,and a large amount of time to decide what you like best..
yes,and a large amount of time to decide what you like best..
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by manchestermike on Nov 6, 2007 19:54:33 GMT 1, So you can enter for all pieces but can get a maximum of 1?
So you can enter for all pieces but can get a maximum of 1?
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Harveyn
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by Harveyn on Nov 6, 2007 19:57:28 GMT 1, Very cool system and will give everyone an equal chance. Probably the fairest system yet but also probably reduces each persons chance of getting one.
Well done boys.
Very cool system and will give everyone an equal chance. Probably the fairest system yet but also probably reduces each persons chance of getting one.
Well done boys.
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by Filipino Box Spring Hog on Nov 6, 2007 20:00:38 GMT 1, So you can enter for all pieces but can get a maximum of 1?
Yes.
So you can enter for all pieces but can get a maximum of 1? Yes. |
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by manchestermike on Nov 6, 2007 20:01:24 GMT 1, So you can enter for all pieces but can get a maximum of 1? Yes.
Ooooh... tricky...
So you can enter for all pieces but can get a maximum of 1? Yes. Ooooh... tricky... |
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gozgoz
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by gozgoz on Nov 6, 2007 20:01:28 GMT 1, ive always wondered abt faile's strange store website. Is it over some other webpage.. sometimes i get a webpage selling fruits and vegetable for about half a min before it changesto the faile website... just the other day i got Apple's webpage before it changed to faile...
ive always wondered abt faile's strange store website. Is it over some other webpage.. sometimes i get a webpage selling fruits and vegetable for about half a min before it changesto the faile website... just the other day i got Apple's webpage before it changed to faile...
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ABC
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by ABC on Nov 6, 2007 20:09:49 GMT 1, Whats the "Add to cart" at the bottom of the blog? I take it that's not for the lottery?
Whats the "Add to cart" at the bottom of the blog? I take it that's not for the lottery?
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andrewd
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by andrewd on Nov 6, 2007 20:11:07 GMT 1, ive always wondered abt faile's strange store website. Is it over some other webpage.. sometimes i get a webpage selling fruits and vegetable for about half a min before it changesto the faile website... just the other day i got Apple's webpage before it changed to faile...
Isn't it supposed to reflect the bill poster / collage nature of some of the work where things are posted over each other reflecting the evolution of the life of a wall on the street?
The other funny thing about the site is that it always shrinks the size of the window on the screen. Not sure what that is all about but by browser doesn't always like it!
ive always wondered abt faile's strange store website. Is it over some other webpage.. sometimes i get a webpage selling fruits and vegetable for about half a min before it changesto the faile website... just the other day i got Apple's webpage before it changed to faile... Isn't it supposed to reflect the bill poster / collage nature of some of the work where things are posted over each other reflecting the evolution of the life of a wall on the street? The other funny thing about the site is that it always shrinks the size of the window on the screen. Not sure what that is all about but by browser doesn't always like it! |
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by absyrd on Nov 6, 2007 20:13:38 GMT 1, Good luck to you all.
Good luck to you all.
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by numusic on Nov 6, 2007 20:39:28 GMT 1, Very cool system and will give everyone an equal chance. Probably the fairest system yet but also probably reduces each persons chance of getting one. Well done boys.
I disagree, I think the system sucks...a lottery ? lucky winners ?.. we supposed to feel lucky to be spending $1k on a print these days.. stupid system that should be consigned to the dustbin asap. I think it devalues and trivialises the work and the scene. A shame it's Faile that have chosen to go this direction, always been a fan of their work. Flippers galore will be lining up.. at least the fuckers had to be a bit on the ball before.
Very cool system and will give everyone an equal chance. Probably the fairest system yet but also probably reduces each persons chance of getting one. Well done boys. I disagree, I think the system sucks...a lottery ? lucky winners ?.. we supposed to feel lucky to be spending $1k on a print these days.. stupid system that should be consigned to the dustbin asap. I think it devalues and trivialises the work and the scene. A shame it's Faile that have chosen to go this direction, always been a fan of their work. Flippers galore will be lining up.. at least the fuckers had to be a bit on the ball before. |
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by absyrd on Nov 6, 2007 20:48:13 GMT 1, I disagree with nuart. If anyone had the time to f5 or use programs to abuse online buying systems, it is people that make their living off of "scalping" things on ebay.
It also spreads out the work amongst fans.
And, lastly, this is a GREAT way to give everyone time to choose what they want instead of buying without even reading print sizes, edition numbers, etc.
I disagree with nuart. If anyone had the time to f5 or use programs to abuse online buying systems, it is people that make their living off of "scalping" things on ebay.
It also spreads out the work amongst fans.
And, lastly, this is a GREAT way to give everyone time to choose what they want instead of buying without even reading print sizes, edition numbers, etc.
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romanywg
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by romanywg on Nov 6, 2007 20:57:15 GMT 1, I prefer the old system where they give you a free print if you don't succeed in getting the print(s) that you lost out on.
I prefer the old system where they give you a free print if you don't succeed in getting the print(s) that you lost out on.
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by melmoth on Nov 6, 2007 21:03:27 GMT 1, I prefer the old system where they give you a free print if you don't succeed in getting the print(s) that you lost out on.
Yeah, it's great what you can do with free prints:
www.Expressobeans/public/detail.php/67572
I'm sure that wasn't Faile's intention with these either.
I prefer the old system where they give you a free print if you don't succeed in getting the print(s) that you lost out on. Yeah, it's great what you can do with free prints: www.Expressobeans/public/detail.php/67572 I'm sure that wasn't Faile's intention with these either. |
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by numusic on Nov 6, 2007 21:06:57 GMT 1, I disagree with nuart. If anyone had the time to f5 or use programs to abuse online buying systems, it is people that make their living off of "scalping" things on ebay. It also spreads out the work amongst fans. And, lastly, this is a GREAT way to give everyone time to choose what they want instead of buying without even reading print sizes, edition numbers, etc.
The difference is that the amount of people looking and bidding will now be multiplied tenfold..and spread over four days !!!, every flipper and his mum, best mate and dog will be signing up for the best pieces. Out of every issue there's usually 5 or 6 stand out pieces. Won't everyone just sign up for these ?.. your chances of getting the the print you like will be severely diminished this way. Do you sign up for the good one and risk it, or sign up for the lame ones that usually go last ?..
I disagree with nuart. If anyone had the time to f5 or use programs to abuse online buying systems, it is people that make their living off of "scalping" things on ebay. It also spreads out the work amongst fans. And, lastly, this is a GREAT way to give everyone time to choose what they want instead of buying without even reading print sizes, edition numbers, etc. The difference is that the amount of people looking and bidding will now be multiplied tenfold..and spread over four days !!!, every flipper and his mum, best mate and dog will be signing up for the best pieces. Out of every issue there's usually 5 or 6 stand out pieces. Won't everyone just sign up for these ?.. your chances of getting the the print you like will be severely diminished this way. Do you sign up for the good one and risk it, or sign up for the lame ones that usually go last ?.. |
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by doughy on Nov 6, 2007 21:10:07 GMT 1, If this doesn't go and show you that you can never please 100% of the people 100% of the time, then you are just plain thick. 
If this doesn't go and show you that you can never please 100% of the people 100% of the time, then you are just plain thick. |
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by arcam on Nov 6, 2007 21:13:05 GMT 1, And, lastly, this is a GREAT way to give everyone time to choose what they want instead of buying without even reading print sizes, edition numbers, etc.
That is the only good thing about the system. With regards re-sale I think if anything you will see more prints on ebay than at present as people try and off load prints that weren't their first choice.
I agree you can't please all people but whatever bad things you can say about the old system, at least everyone had an equal chance.
And, lastly, this is a GREAT way to give everyone time to choose what they want instead of buying without even reading print sizes, edition numbers, etc. That is the only good thing about the system. With regards re-sale I think if anything you will see more prints on ebay than at present as people try and off load prints that weren't their first choice. I agree you can't please all people but whatever bad things you can say about the old system, at least everyone had an equal chance. |
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by Harveyn on Nov 6, 2007 21:15:32 GMT 1, I think I will change my mind on this being a good idea.
Nu - On reflection I sort of agree with you on this there are probably more bad points than good points and as per my 1st comment chances of getting the one or two pieces you like have been greatly diminished (whether to flippers or not).
The main benefit of having the opportunity to view the art could be achieved by posting the prints for a review period irrespective of the procurement process.
I think I will change my mind on this being a good idea.
Nu - On reflection I sort of agree with you on this there are probably more bad points than good points and as per my 1st comment chances of getting the one or two pieces you like have been greatly diminished (whether to flippers or not).
The main benefit of having the opportunity to view the art could be achieved by posting the prints for a review period irrespective of the procurement process.
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Photoxtc
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by Photoxtc on Nov 6, 2007 21:25:35 GMT 1, I think this will be a good trial run and I'm sure lots of eyes will be looking at the outcome of this...
I'm sure lots of people will be pissed over this but then again, people are always mad about something and no matter what not 100% of the people will be happy... unless you win the Lotto, then of course all will be good!
Move forward and see how it goes, I for one think it's a good idea but that's just me, the next guy will think it's a horrible idea... who has the right answer? It's all trial and error, that's the only way to improve on a system...
I think this will be a good trial run and I'm sure lots of eyes will be looking at the outcome of this...
I'm sure lots of people will be pissed over this but then again, people are always mad about something and no matter what not 100% of the people will be happy... unless you win the Lotto, then of course all will be good!
Move forward and see how it goes, I for one think it's a good idea but that's just me, the next guy will think it's a horrible idea... who has the right answer? It's all trial and error, that's the only way to improve on a system...
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by Deleted on Nov 6, 2007 21:41:34 GMT 1, I think you guys are thinking it about the wrong way...It's simple, using a lottery system minimizes the chance that a piece will end up in the hands of a flipper/bagger. How? By giving everyone a chance to "win" an opportunity to buy a piece. Sure, they can try to cheat the system and enter multiple entries (the new system prevents that by the way), but, the system has the capability of banning certain known flippers. And, you can also get blacklisted if you violate the terms and conditions.
Also, once a winner is chosen, they can decline purchasing it and a new winner will be randomly chosen from the same pool of people.
I'm biased as some of you know, but I personally think the lottery system is the best way to go about selling high demand items. You avoid wasting people's time F5ing, the artist's website won't crash, and even if there are multiple entries by the same person, the odds are still against them as they're competing against everyone else.
I think you guys are thinking it about the wrong way...It's simple, using a lottery system minimizes the chance that a piece will end up in the hands of a flipper/bagger. How? By giving everyone a chance to "win" an opportunity to buy a piece. Sure, they can try to cheat the system and enter multiple entries (the new system prevents that by the way), but, the system has the capability of banning certain known flippers. And, you can also get blacklisted if you violate the terms and conditions.
Also, once a winner is chosen, they can decline purchasing it and a new winner will be randomly chosen from the same pool of people.
I'm biased as some of you know, but I personally think the lottery system is the best way to go about selling high demand items. You avoid wasting people's time F5ing, the artist's website won't crash, and even if there are multiple entries by the same person, the odds are still against them as they're competing against everyone else.
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stylus
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by stylus on Nov 6, 2007 21:42:11 GMT 1, I agree with Nu here. With this method of release, there is one determining factor in whether or not one is successful: luck of the draw. It's a bit of a cop out. It doesn't make a short-term profiteer less likely to get one.
I agree with Nu here. With this method of release, there is one determining factor in whether or not one is successful: luck of the draw. It's a bit of a cop out. It doesn't make a short-term profiteer less likely to get one.
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by craigf on Nov 6, 2007 21:43:07 GMT 1, My first thoughts were positive re the lottery, but upon reflection and reading the comments above I can see it may end up shooting itself in the foot. I guess we have to wait and see. I only have a single Faile and it's one off POW so I would like a NY printed one
My first thoughts were positive re the lottery, but upon reflection and reading the comments above I can see it may end up shooting itself in the foot. I guess we have to wait and see. I only have a single Faile and it's one off POW so I would like a NY printed one
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by carlito on Nov 6, 2007 21:46:24 GMT 1, i don't understand..my chances of getting any are slim, so I should go for everything and hope i get something - yes?
i don't understand..my chances of getting any are slim, so I should go for everything and hope i get something - yes?
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by Deleted on Nov 6, 2007 21:48:42 GMT 1, I agree with Nu here. With this method of release, there is one determining factor in whether or not one is successful: luck of the draw. It's a bit of a cop out. It doesn't make a short-term profiteer less likely to get one.
But, it also gives the fan who is unable to be in front of their PC at the time of release a chance at getting one.
I agree with Nu here. With this method of release, there is one determining factor in whether or not one is successful: luck of the draw. It's a bit of a cop out. It doesn't make a short-term profiteer less likely to get one. But, it also gives the fan who is unable to be in front of their PC at the time of release a chance at getting one. |
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by Deleted on Nov 6, 2007 21:50:36 GMT 1, i don't understand..my chances of getting any are slim, so I should go for everything and hope i get something - yes?
You'll be able to enter the lottery for all pieces but, can only purchase one. If you win more than one, you'll be asked which one you want to purchase and a new winner will be chosen for the piece you don't buy.
i don't understand..my chances of getting any are slim, so I should go for everything and hope i get something - yes? You'll be able to enter the lottery for all pieces but, can only purchase one. If you win more than one, you'll be asked which one you want to purchase and a new winner will be chosen for the piece you don't buy. |
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by carlito on Nov 6, 2007 21:52:45 GMT 1, i don't understand..my chances of getting any are slim, so I should go for everything and hope i get something - yes? You'll be able to enter the lottery for all pieces but, can only purchase one. If you win more than one, you'll be asked which one you want to purchase and a new winner will be chosen for the piece you don't buy.
I understood I was just making the point that a lottery (such as this) makes a mockery of going for the one you like...
i don't understand..my chances of getting any are slim, so I should go for everything and hope i get something - yes? You'll be able to enter the lottery for all pieces but, can only purchase one. If you win more than one, you'll be asked which one you want to purchase and a new winner will be chosen for the piece you don't buy. I understood I was just making the point that a lottery (such as this) makes a mockery of going for the one you like... |
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by Deleted on Nov 6, 2007 21:55:26 GMT 1, I'm not sure I understand, how's it a mockery?
I'm not sure I understand, how's it a mockery?
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by numusic on Nov 6, 2007 22:03:41 GMT 1, I think I will change my mind on this being a good idea. Nu - On reflection I sort of agree with you on this there are probably more bad points than good points and as per my 1st comment chances of getting the one or two pieces you like have been greatly diminished (whether to flippers or not). The main benefit of having the opportunity to view the art could be achieved by posting the prints for a review period irrespective of the procurement process.
Keep the same payment methods, but have a preview period of 48 hours, spread them out over multiple pages, mixing them up a bit so people can bookmark only one page and announce a sale time..it's a lottery anyway right ? but agree, be cool to have a preview of the work.
I think I will change my mind on this being a good idea. Nu - On reflection I sort of agree with you on this there are probably more bad points than good points and as per my 1st comment chances of getting the one or two pieces you like have been greatly diminished (whether to flippers or not). The main benefit of having the opportunity to view the art could be achieved by posting the prints for a review period irrespective of the procurement process. Keep the same payment methods, but have a preview period of 48 hours, spread them out over multiple pages, mixing them up a bit so people can bookmark only one page and announce a sale time..it's a lottery anyway right ? but agree, be cool to have a preview of the work. |
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New Faile Release: November 12th, by lesbianwednesdays on Nov 6, 2007 22:32:36 GMT 1, you do know you're 35 times more likely to get hit by lightning than you are to win the lottery? 
you do know you're 35 times more likely to get hit by lightning than you are to win the lottery? |
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