lifeonwalls
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JetSet Graffiti, by lifeonwalls on Apr 22, 2010 2:16:26 GMT 1, I particularly am a fan of Saber and Futura, but could care less about the others.
How kind of you.
Yet you also manage to hype JSG whenever you can...(which is odd if you only like two of them)
the fact that the publisher in question continues to work with these incredibly popular artists! a company that consistently works with incredible, popular artists. it's that the entire community has something to gain from it, and if JSG wasn't making bad-ass prints, we would lose out on alot of great art! Yeah, the latest news is that he is releasing a monster of a print by Saber today... Looks like ANOTHER incredible print by this publisher:
They aren't all from yesterday, but your words.
I particularly am a fan of Saber and Futura, but could care less about the others. How kind of you. Yet you also manage to hype JSG whenever you can...(which is odd if you only like two of them) the fact that the publisher in question continues to work with these incredibly popular artists! a company that consistently works with incredible, popular artists. it's that the entire community has something to gain from it, and if JSG wasn't making bad-ass prints, we would lose out on alot of great art! Yeah, the latest news is that he is releasing a monster of a print by Saber today... Looks like ANOTHER incredible print by this publisher: They aren't all from yesterday, but your words.
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JetSet Graffiti, by nigelbgg on Apr 22, 2010 4:27:21 GMT 1, Back to the list: 1. Poppysunshine 2. CHARITY MONEY
Come on then Lahoda, show us a PROPER receipt for the charity donation from the sale of those dodgy D*Face prints.... oh and good luck with your ebay sales on that soled out edition.
t**t.
Back to the list: 1. Poppysunshine 2. CHARITY MONEY Come on then Lahoda, show us a PROPER receipt for the charity donation from the sale of those dodgy D*Face prints.... oh and good luck with your ebay sales on that soled out edition. t**t.
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JetSet Graffiti, by nigelbgg on Apr 22, 2010 4:38:30 GMT 1, I'm not to bothered about you owing Chris a huge amount of money, or that you're banned from every other art forum for your corrupt practices.
I'm more worried about the Charity money, show us a real copy of a real headed letter, or something other than that piss take you flashed us last time in the hope we'd swallow it.
''I have over 750 posts to my other name. Silky can probably see the shared IP address, but I'm hoping he won't out me.''
And what the fucks this all about?
I'm not to bothered about you owing Chris a huge amount of money, or that you're banned from every other art forum for your corrupt practices. I'm more worried about the Charity money, show us a real copy of a real headed letter, or something other than that piss take you flashed us last time in the hope we'd swallow it. ''I have over 750 posts to my other name. Silky can probably see the shared IP address, but I'm hoping he won't out me.'' And what the fucks this all about?
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thecsoldier
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JetSet Graffiti, by thecsoldier on Apr 22, 2010 7:18:21 GMT 1, Back to the list: 1. Poppysunshine 2. CHARITY MONEY Come on then Lahoda, show us a PROPER receipt for the charity donation from the sale of those dodgy D*Face prints.... oh and good luck with your ebay sales on that soled out edition. t**t.
dont forget that people didnt get their PP's but reg edition prints (allegedly sold out) for the charity print. add that to your list.
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Back to the list: 1. Poppysunshine 2. CHARITY MONEY Come on then Lahoda, show us a PROPER receipt for the charity donation from the sale of those dodgy D*Face prints.... oh and good luck with your ebay sales on that soled out edition. t**t. dont forget that people didnt get their PP's but reg edition prints (allegedly sold out) for the charity print. add that to your list. #3
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Poppy Sunshine
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JetSet Graffiti, by Poppy Sunshine on Apr 22, 2010 8:21:37 GMT 1, Whether thie thread is getting repetetive or not I think it is a very relevant and necessary thing to leave up until all matters are cleared up.
I thought and hoped that the idea of the whole forum was to get like minded people together to share our love of art and to look out for one another if and when necessary. Massive thanks to all those who have backed me up on this so far. I am the innocent party in this and have been taken for a lot of money. Sometimes I struggle to understand why I feel that I am having to defend myself and why anyone should have the slightest desire to back up the person who has taken this money from me.
Inshallah is obviously connected to JSG as he/she has only tried to defend JSG and discredit anyone with a problem against him which is far from a neutral position.
He would of course love this thread to be stopped so that he can stop the negative press. No other reason.
Silky, whoever finds this thread pointless, repetetive or annoying does not need to come on it and read it so it is doing absolutely no harm and I am personally glad that it is here as I feel a lot of support from it. I can't answer why it takes so long to get a result from the law in LA but being thousands of miles away with almost no contacts in LA certainly doesn't make it easy. I suspect jsg knows that only too well.
If any of this stops one single other person from going through the same crap that I am then it is totally worthwhile.
JETSET has had plenty of opportunity to sort this out and there is one very simple way of doing it. Unfortunately he doesn't want to simply write a cheque and put it in the post so it's his own look out if things drag on and his reputation gets dragged down further.
Why not ask him why he doesn't sort it out?
Why not ask him why HE doesn't take ME through the courts if all this is untrue slander?
I'm as sick and tired of it as anyone but would hope that anyone else falling foul of a similar deal would publicise it to warn others.
If you remove this warning sign from the entrance to the minefield then expect a few more unsuspecting people to wander in and and step on a mine.
Whether thie thread is getting repetetive or not I think it is a very relevant and necessary thing to leave up until all matters are cleared up.
I thought and hoped that the idea of the whole forum was to get like minded people together to share our love of art and to look out for one another if and when necessary. Massive thanks to all those who have backed me up on this so far. I am the innocent party in this and have been taken for a lot of money. Sometimes I struggle to understand why I feel that I am having to defend myself and why anyone should have the slightest desire to back up the person who has taken this money from me.
Inshallah is obviously connected to JSG as he/she has only tried to defend JSG and discredit anyone with a problem against him which is far from a neutral position.
He would of course love this thread to be stopped so that he can stop the negative press. No other reason.
Silky, whoever finds this thread pointless, repetetive or annoying does not need to come on it and read it so it is doing absolutely no harm and I am personally glad that it is here as I feel a lot of support from it. I can't answer why it takes so long to get a result from the law in LA but being thousands of miles away with almost no contacts in LA certainly doesn't make it easy. I suspect jsg knows that only too well.
If any of this stops one single other person from going through the same crap that I am then it is totally worthwhile.
JETSET has had plenty of opportunity to sort this out and there is one very simple way of doing it. Unfortunately he doesn't want to simply write a cheque and put it in the post so it's his own look out if things drag on and his reputation gets dragged down further.
Why not ask him why he doesn't sort it out?
Why not ask him why HE doesn't take ME through the courts if all this is untrue slander?
I'm as sick and tired of it as anyone but would hope that anyone else falling foul of a similar deal would publicise it to warn others.
If you remove this warning sign from the entrance to the minefield then expect a few more unsuspecting people to wander in and and step on a mine.
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spirit
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JetSet Graffiti, by spirit on Apr 22, 2010 9:49:45 GMT 1, My objective is to separate the truth from fiction using logic.
Funny - that's my objective too.
and logic dictates that inshallah = lahoda
Can you tell me how you knew that the link you posted yesterday to lfa.com/category/printsforsale automatically forwarded to jsg.com/category/printsforsale?
and as regards your list
1. Poppysunshine 2. Charity money 3. crackandpeel1 selling multiple "sold out" riots on ebay (at least 4) who is crackandpeel1 and where did those prints come come from? 4. PPs of Riots being sold without Dface's knowledge 5. People who bought Riot PPs receiving prints from the regular "sold out" edition 6. Banned from EB for lying to admin and creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) 7. Banned from Giant for ripping off members and making empty legal threats from lawyers who'd never heard of him. Also creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) 8. Banned from BMW forum for not sending parts to members who had bought them
Coming up with good explanations for that lot should keep you going for a while...
My objective is to separate the truth from fiction using logic. Funny - that's my objective too. and logic dictates that inshallah = lahoda Can you tell me how you knew that the link you posted yesterday to lfa.com/category/printsforsale automatically forwarded to jsg.com/category/printsforsale? and as regards your list 1. Poppysunshine 2. Charity money 3. crackandpeel1 selling multiple "sold out" riots on ebay (at least 4) who is crackandpeel1 and where did those prints come come from? 4. PPs of Riots being sold without Dface's knowledge 5. People who bought Riot PPs receiving prints from the regular "sold out" edition 6. Banned from EB for lying to admin and creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) 7. Banned from Giant for ripping off members and making empty legal threats from lawyers who'd never heard of him. Also creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) 8. Banned from BMW forum for not sending parts to members who had bought them Coming up with good explanations for that lot should keep you going for a while...
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JetSet Graffiti, by nex on Apr 22, 2010 10:21:37 GMT 1, Whether thie thread is getting repetetive or not I think it is a very relevant and necessary thing to leave up until all matters are cleared up. I thought and hoped that the idea of the whole forum was to get like minded people together to share our love of art and to look out for one another if and when necessary. Massive thanks to all those who have backed me up on this so far. I am the innocent party in this and have been taken for a lot of money. Sometimes I struggle to understand why I feel that I am having to defend myself and why anyone should have the slightest desire to back up the person who has taken this money from me. Inshallah is obviously connected to JSG as he/she has only tried to defend JSG and discredit anyone with a problem against him which is far from a neutral position. He would of course love this thread to be stopped so that he can stop the negative press. No other reason. Silky, whoever finds this thread pointless, repetetive or annoying does not need to come on it and read it so it is doing absolutely no harm and I am personally glad that it is here as I feel a lot of support from it. I can't answer why it takes so long to get a result from the law in LA but being thousands of miles away with almost no contacts in LA certainly doesn't make it easy. I suspect jsg knows that only too well. If any of this stops one single other person from going through the same crap that I am then it is totally worthwhile. JETSET has had plenty of opportunity to sort this out and there is one very simple way of doing it. Unfortunately he doesn't want to simply write a cheque and put it in the post so it's his own look out if things drag on and his reputation gets dragged down further. Why not ask him why he doesn't sort it out? Why not ask him why HE doesn't take ME through the courts if all this is untrue slander? I'm as sick and tired of it as anyone but would hope that anyone else falling foul of a similar deal would publicise it to warn others. If you remove this warning sign from the entrance to the minefield then expect a few more unsuspecting people to wander in and and step on a mine.
very good post
keep fighting the good fight poppy
Whether thie thread is getting repetetive or not I think it is a very relevant and necessary thing to leave up until all matters are cleared up. I thought and hoped that the idea of the whole forum was to get like minded people together to share our love of art and to look out for one another if and when necessary. Massive thanks to all those who have backed me up on this so far. I am the innocent party in this and have been taken for a lot of money. Sometimes I struggle to understand why I feel that I am having to defend myself and why anyone should have the slightest desire to back up the person who has taken this money from me. Inshallah is obviously connected to JSG as he/she has only tried to defend JSG and discredit anyone with a problem against him which is far from a neutral position. He would of course love this thread to be stopped so that he can stop the negative press. No other reason. Silky, whoever finds this thread pointless, repetetive or annoying does not need to come on it and read it so it is doing absolutely no harm and I am personally glad that it is here as I feel a lot of support from it. I can't answer why it takes so long to get a result from the law in LA but being thousands of miles away with almost no contacts in LA certainly doesn't make it easy. I suspect jsg knows that only too well. If any of this stops one single other person from going through the same crap that I am then it is totally worthwhile. JETSET has had plenty of opportunity to sort this out and there is one very simple way of doing it. Unfortunately he doesn't want to simply write a cheque and put it in the post so it's his own look out if things drag on and his reputation gets dragged down further. Why not ask him why he doesn't sort it out? Why not ask him why HE doesn't take ME through the courts if all this is untrue slander? I'm as sick and tired of it as anyone but would hope that anyone else falling foul of a similar deal would publicise it to warn others. If you remove this warning sign from the entrance to the minefield then expect a few more unsuspecting people to wander in and and step on a mine. very good postkeep fighting the good fight poppy
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JetSet Graffiti, by jamesreeve5 on Apr 23, 2010 1:19:18 GMT 1, The other problems that have occurred in the past include:
- The non-delivery of DVDs to purchasers of a Ron English print - The rather frowned upon practice of hiring Palestinians to stand in line to buy prints at Santa's Ghetto that could knowingly be resold at a much higher cost. - The attempt to sell the Palestine Donkey off of a public wall for half a million dollars.
The other problems that have occurred in the past include:
- The non-delivery of DVDs to purchasers of a Ron English print - The rather frowned upon practice of hiring Palestinians to stand in line to buy prints at Santa's Ghetto that could knowingly be resold at a much higher cost. - The attempt to sell the Palestine Donkey off of a public wall for half a million dollars.
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Cedric Mnich
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JetSet Graffiti, by Cedric Mnich on Apr 23, 2010 8:56:58 GMT 1, Something I don't get in the JSG / Poppy story. The payment of the 8000 USD should appear as a valid interbank transaction. That is, Poppy's account should be debited (minus line appearing on his bank's receipts) and JSG's account with a plus. Was the hypothesis of a wrong account transfer verified ? We could imagine that Poppy or a bank employee entered a wrong figure and the money was transferred to some dude somewhere in the US (whom we should not expect to claim that it was not his money, hey 8000 bucks falling from the sky !). In such a case, Poppy would be out of 8K$ with no print, JSG would not have the expected 8K$ (and would have no reason to sell the print) and in the end, the two would be correct on their respective assertions ! To clear the thing out, the two of them should produce a copy of the timeline showing the payment transfer (or non-payment transfer) and what happened should be clear. As a professional, JSG necessarily keeps an accounting up to date so that should not be a problem for him to produce proof he never received payment and Poppy should have his bank account monthly receipts showing the wire transfer... (and hopefully a mistake on the account number ?)
What do you think Poppy ?
Something I don't get in the JSG / Poppy story. The payment of the 8000 USD should appear as a valid interbank transaction. That is, Poppy's account should be debited (minus line appearing on his bank's receipts) and JSG's account with a plus. Was the hypothesis of a wrong account transfer verified ? We could imagine that Poppy or a bank employee entered a wrong figure and the money was transferred to some dude somewhere in the US (whom we should not expect to claim that it was not his money, hey 8000 bucks falling from the sky !). In such a case, Poppy would be out of 8K$ with no print, JSG would not have the expected 8K$ (and would have no reason to sell the print) and in the end, the two would be correct on their respective assertions ! To clear the thing out, the two of them should produce a copy of the timeline showing the payment transfer (or non-payment transfer) and what happened should be clear. As a professional, JSG necessarily keeps an accounting up to date so that should not be a problem for him to produce proof he never received payment and Poppy should have his bank account monthly receipts showing the wire transfer... (and hopefully a mistake on the account number ?)
What do you think Poppy ?
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Poppy Sunshine
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JetSet Graffiti, by Poppy Sunshine on Apr 23, 2010 9:15:57 GMT 1, It's a fair suggestion but of course all documentation and bank numbers I received from him have been quadruple checked and of course I did post a copy of his email to me previously acknowledging that the payment had hit his account so I'm afraid there is no doubt that he has my money. If you look back a few pages it should still be there but thanks for throwing in a suggestion.
It's a fair suggestion but of course all documentation and bank numbers I received from him have been quadruple checked and of course I did post a copy of his email to me previously acknowledging that the payment had hit his account so I'm afraid there is no doubt that he has my money. If you look back a few pages it should still be there but thanks for throwing in a suggestion.
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Poppy Sunshine
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JetSet Graffiti, by Poppy Sunshine on Apr 23, 2010 9:25:09 GMT 1, It just keeps popping into my head now and again that the whole top and bottom of this for me personally is the fact that I have paid for a print I didn't get and Lahoda has my money.
The evidence and copies of statements is out there so can one of the people attempting to support Lahoda please ask him the simple question of why he has my money and why he won't give it back ?
It ought to be a very simple and straightforward answer and could save a lot of frustration and further reputation tarnishing.
It looks like the copies of letters to the Haiti charity etc may have been removed. Anyone any idea why? Can anyone get me copies please as I have been asked for them. Thanks.
It just keeps popping into my head now and again that the whole top and bottom of this for me personally is the fact that I have paid for a print I didn't get and Lahoda has my money.
The evidence and copies of statements is out there so can one of the people attempting to support Lahoda please ask him the simple question of why he has my money and why he won't give it back ?
It ought to be a very simple and straightforward answer and could save a lot of frustration and further reputation tarnishing.
It looks like the copies of letters to the Haiti charity etc may have been removed. Anyone any idea why? Can anyone get me copies please as I have been asked for them. Thanks.
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Cedric Mnich
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JetSet Graffiti, by Cedric Mnich on Apr 23, 2010 9:35:43 GMT 1, Hello Poppy
Actually I read back the thread and saw your previous posts and copy of Lahoda's email. He posted after the copy of your email but eluded it. Given his posts on this thread (never giving any direct reply to your obvious elements) to me there is clearly a red flag above him... Given you sent money to correct account and he acknowledged receiving the money then there are only two possibilities : 1. He never sent the print and sold it to somebody else but did not send your money back => Dishonest guy at the very least 2. He sent the print and the print was lost / stolen by the postman => No luck. But then he should have given you the tracking number (if there was any) and he obviously did not => not serious guy. And there are insurances which should have been triggered (even if I know the real value of the content is never declared)
Given I am still expecting a postmail from a friend (I received only the second postmail but never the first which did not come back to sender either) and it already happened in the past, I think Royal Mail really sucks. Piece of chance it was an exchange between friendly artists (and with a small value content). If a DHL / TNT / UPS service was not used for the shipping by Lahoda, that story could be endless as I am unsure that regular international mail can be tracked. If he did not use a good shipping solution, the print could have been lost/stolen (if he actually shipped it). Big value stuff should always be sent via tracked UPS etc mail (it's far more expensive but in such cases, it is probably the only way to sort the truth).
Nevertheless, from what I read on that thread JSG is definitely not a company to buy from, beyond that unfortunate and costy adventure of yours... The fact that he does not even react or defend after the publishing is quite explanatory to me but well... Hope you will sort the truth and get either your money back or the print...
Hello Poppy
Actually I read back the thread and saw your previous posts and copy of Lahoda's email. He posted after the copy of your email but eluded it. Given his posts on this thread (never giving any direct reply to your obvious elements) to me there is clearly a red flag above him... Given you sent money to correct account and he acknowledged receiving the money then there are only two possibilities : 1. He never sent the print and sold it to somebody else but did not send your money back => Dishonest guy at the very least 2. He sent the print and the print was lost / stolen by the postman => No luck. But then he should have given you the tracking number (if there was any) and he obviously did not => not serious guy. And there are insurances which should have been triggered (even if I know the real value of the content is never declared)
Given I am still expecting a postmail from a friend (I received only the second postmail but never the first which did not come back to sender either) and it already happened in the past, I think Royal Mail really sucks. Piece of chance it was an exchange between friendly artists (and with a small value content). If a DHL / TNT / UPS service was not used for the shipping by Lahoda, that story could be endless as I am unsure that regular international mail can be tracked. If he did not use a good shipping solution, the print could have been lost/stolen (if he actually shipped it). Big value stuff should always be sent via tracked UPS etc mail (it's far more expensive but in such cases, it is probably the only way to sort the truth).
Nevertheless, from what I read on that thread JSG is definitely not a company to buy from, beyond that unfortunate and costy adventure of yours... The fact that he does not even react or defend after the publishing is quite explanatory to me but well... Hope you will sort the truth and get either your money back or the print...
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JetSet Graffiti, by inshallah on Apr 23, 2010 16:14:51 GMT 1, Whether thie thread is getting repetetive or not I think it is a very relevant and necessary thing to leave up until all matters are cleared up. I thought and hoped that the idea of the whole forum was to get like minded people together to share our love of art and to look out for one another if and when necessary. Massive thanks to all those who have backed me up on this so far. I am the innocent party in this and have been taken for a lot of money. Sometimes I struggle to understand why I feel that I am having to defend myself and why anyone should have the slightest desire to back up the person who has taken this money from me. Inshallah is obviously connected to JSG as he/she has only tried to defend JSG and discredit anyone with a problem against him which is far from a neutral position. He would of course love this thread to be stopped so that he can stop the negative press. No other reason. Silky, whoever finds this thread pointless, repetetive or annoying does not need to come on it and read it so it is doing absolutely no harm and I am personally glad that it is here as I feel a lot of support from it. I can't answer why it takes so long to get a result from the law in LA but being thousands of miles away with almost no contacts in LA certainly doesn't make it easy. I suspect jsg knows that only too well. If any of this stops one single other person from going through the same crap that I am then it is totally worthwhile. JETSET has had plenty of opportunity to sort this out and there is one very simple way of doing it. Unfortunately he doesn't want to simply write a cheque and put it in the post so it's his own look out if things drag on and his reputation gets dragged down further. Why not ask him why he doesn't sort it out? Why not ask him why HE doesn't take ME through the courts if all this is untrue slander? I'm as sick and tired of it as anyone but would hope that anyone else falling foul of a similar deal would publicise it to warn others. If you remove this warning sign from the entrance to the minefield then expect a few more unsuspecting people to wander in and and step on a mine.
Poppy, you have me all wrong. I'm not JSG himself, and I'm not defending him. I'm simply saying that EVERYTHING shuld be taken with a grain of salt here. Your side and his side need to be respected equally until this is resolved. I have purchase from him before, but I definitely don't represent his side in any way.
My only question to you is if you have such a clear-cut case with all of this proof, and this all happened 3 years ago, why hasn't there been any result? Not only is there no result, but you have offered no proof that you are even doing anything about it. In a valid 3 year long dispute, I expect to hear about court hearings, mediation attempts, arrest, investigations, etc... Even since your insistence that the LAPD Art Fraud division is "on the case". Wouldn't the investigators tell you first thing that if you keep going on about it publicly it would jeopardize their case? Also, if there was all this proof, wouldn't they just go and arrest him, or wouldn't you have made arrangements to sue him and be done with it?
The whole thing doesn't add up. Especially when you take into consideration how much he has to lose, or has (obviously) already lost, due to this most public dispute.
I just want to know why it's been SO long now with no result, and seemingly no real action beyond the forums where all these people remain anonymous...
Again, not defending anyone here, just trying to act as a voice of reason...
Whether thie thread is getting repetetive or not I think it is a very relevant and necessary thing to leave up until all matters are cleared up. I thought and hoped that the idea of the whole forum was to get like minded people together to share our love of art and to look out for one another if and when necessary. Massive thanks to all those who have backed me up on this so far. I am the innocent party in this and have been taken for a lot of money. Sometimes I struggle to understand why I feel that I am having to defend myself and why anyone should have the slightest desire to back up the person who has taken this money from me. Inshallah is obviously connected to JSG as he/she has only tried to defend JSG and discredit anyone with a problem against him which is far from a neutral position. He would of course love this thread to be stopped so that he can stop the negative press. No other reason. Silky, whoever finds this thread pointless, repetetive or annoying does not need to come on it and read it so it is doing absolutely no harm and I am personally glad that it is here as I feel a lot of support from it. I can't answer why it takes so long to get a result from the law in LA but being thousands of miles away with almost no contacts in LA certainly doesn't make it easy. I suspect jsg knows that only too well. If any of this stops one single other person from going through the same crap that I am then it is totally worthwhile. JETSET has had plenty of opportunity to sort this out and there is one very simple way of doing it. Unfortunately he doesn't want to simply write a cheque and put it in the post so it's his own look out if things drag on and his reputation gets dragged down further. Why not ask him why he doesn't sort it out? Why not ask him why HE doesn't take ME through the courts if all this is untrue slander? I'm as sick and tired of it as anyone but would hope that anyone else falling foul of a similar deal would publicise it to warn others. If you remove this warning sign from the entrance to the minefield then expect a few more unsuspecting people to wander in and and step on a mine. Poppy, you have me all wrong. I'm not JSG himself, and I'm not defending him. I'm simply saying that EVERYTHING shuld be taken with a grain of salt here. Your side and his side need to be respected equally until this is resolved. I have purchase from him before, but I definitely don't represent his side in any way. My only question to you is if you have such a clear-cut case with all of this proof, and this all happened 3 years ago, why hasn't there been any result? Not only is there no result, but you have offered no proof that you are even doing anything about it. In a valid 3 year long dispute, I expect to hear about court hearings, mediation attempts, arrest, investigations, etc... Even since your insistence that the LAPD Art Fraud division is "on the case". Wouldn't the investigators tell you first thing that if you keep going on about it publicly it would jeopardize their case? Also, if there was all this proof, wouldn't they just go and arrest him, or wouldn't you have made arrangements to sue him and be done with it? The whole thing doesn't add up. Especially when you take into consideration how much he has to lose, or has (obviously) already lost, due to this most public dispute. I just want to know why it's been SO long now with no result, and seemingly no real action beyond the forums where all these people remain anonymous... Again, not defending anyone here, just trying to act as a voice of reason...
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JetSet Graffiti, by inshallah on Apr 23, 2010 17:08:09 GMT 1, My objective is to separate the truth from fiction using logic. Funny - that's my objective too. and logic dictates that inshallah = lahoda Can you tell me how you knew that the link you posted yesterday to lfa.com/category/printsforsale automatically forwarded to jsg.com/category/printsforsale? and as regards your list 1. Poppysunshine 2. Charity money 3. crackandpeel1 selling multiple "sold out" riots on ebay (at least 4) who is crackandpeel1 and where did those prints come come from? 4. PPs of Riots being sold without Dface's knowledge 5. People who bought Riot PPs receiving prints from the regular "sold out" edition 6. Banned from EB for lying to admin and creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) 7. Banned from Giant for ripping off members and making empty legal threats from lawyers who'd never heard of him. Also creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) 8. Banned from BMW forum for not sending parts to members who had bought them Coming up with good explanations for that lot should keep you going for a while...
Logic and the scientific method are driven by facts. None of the above that you've written are factual...
1. Poppysunshine Alleged 2. Charity money reported publicly on his website AND here. Charity has been contacted at least twice, yet no response, and no action against Lahoda, leads one to believe that they have received the money and don't want to get involved in a petty issue. Their lack of response is NOT a report of his guilt. 3. crackandpeel1 selling multiple "sold out" riots on ebay (at least 4) who is crackandpeel1 and where did those prints come come from? This has nothing to do with anything. Even if it was Lahoda selling the prints on Ebay, doesn't BRP and POW and Art Republic, and every other print retailer in the world have to unload product that isn't selling? BRP was even selling prints in bulk lots for the original price of one print. So, honestly, get over it, it's business. 4. PPs of Riots being sold without Dface's knowledge You're wrong. You're obviously referring to UnAmerican Graffiti, not Riot. The Riot proofs were sold by JSG and shipped to the customers by Stolen Space. It's the UnAmerican Graffiti prints that were sold to benefit charity. Even if D*Face didn't know about it, he didn't need to know. He has his AP's, the printers got their PP's, and the Publisher got their Pub. P's. I find it admirable that the publisher chose to sell those prints to benefit charity. If he sold regular edition prints to benefit charity, even less money would go to the charity since he would have to pay out the artist. This way, he didn't need to ask the artist to give with him, and didn't need permission to sell prints that he printed, published, and owned outright. Furthermore, all prints were signed and numbered, so the artist saying he didn't know about them is impossible. 5. People who bought Riot PPs receiving prints from the regular "sold out" edition Again, you're wrong. You're actually referring the the SAME STORY about the UnAmerican Graffiti proofs for charity. (To my knowledge, the client reported that the publisher acknowledged this mistake, and gave the customer the option of either returning the print for refund, OR take the print and the money was donated. So, essentially, rather than giving the money from 10 prints, he made up for the mistake and actually gave MORE. 6. Banned from EB for lying to admin and creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) Actually, he was banned because of a dispute with users of both the Giant Forum and the EB forum accusing him of bootlegging Phish posters, when he was in fact working with the band to make their official concert posters. When Phish's lawyers requested that the offensive material be removed, they AND Lahoda were banned. This was another fabricated scandal that the forum members pushed publicly to get him banned for something he didn't do. 7. Banned from Giant for ripping off members and making empty legal threats from lawyers who'd never heard of him. Also creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) He was banned from the Giant after standing up for his business and sending a letter to the admin. about removing the same offensive material as poppysunshine has posted here. SAME ISSUE. Legally they had to remove the material, but they could leave his request for removal up on the site. If they legally HAD to remove the material according to US laws, then that says alot to me about the validity of the material. I'm assuming that once you sue him or he is arrested and IT IS PROVEN, then that information will be once again available to the public. The bottom line is that he was standing up for his business, and had them remove what is legally considered to be libelous writing until PROVEN otherwise. 8. Banned from BMW forum for not sending parts to members who had bought them. I showed the link to the thread that a member from here named Grafik posted on that BMW forum, asking victims and/or offended parties to come forward. This is that thread: forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=742277&page=1 NO RESPONSE FROM ANYONE
These are the other allegations that were made:
9. The Ron English Camo-Clown Boy DVD not being sent with the print in 2008. The publisher put the DVD on YouTube so everyone can see it, not just the people who bought the print. Furthermore, the publisher offered a $20 refund to each customer to make up for the lack of a physical DVD being sent.
There was also an issue on the Giant Forum where Lahoda was accused of stealing and selling Obey Test Proofs from Modern Multiples. This was originally reported by the people who actually DID have them, who then went to Expresso Beans and made up the s**t about the bootleg Phish Posters which got him banned their. Shepard Fairey then came out, cleared Lahoda from any wrong-doing, and said he was a stand up guy. In his words: "Don't Believe the Hype."
NOW, I did about a half hour of google research this morning to read this all for myself about this publisher and each of those allegations, and there is the truth, and/or how I see it through my rose-colored glasses. I don't believe that the publisher was negligent in any of those situations (except maybe Poppysunshine's claim, which is very serious and remains to be proven.)
From my research, He may only be guilty of being overbearing, overzealous, and a bit of a know-it-all, with some pretty heavy connections to the art world. I suspect this is why people really didn't like him...
In the USA, people are innocent until PROVEN guilty. I for one, am waiting for that proof. Everything else is either you guys trying to nail a guy on some petty BS, or something that is still in the stages of ALLEGATION, ACCUSATION.
Glad I was able to get through that list and provide some much needed perspective.
My objective is to separate the truth from fiction using logic. Funny - that's my objective too. and logic dictates that inshallah = lahoda Can you tell me how you knew that the link you posted yesterday to lfa.com/category/printsforsale automatically forwarded to jsg.com/category/printsforsale? and as regards your list 1. Poppysunshine 2. Charity money 3. crackandpeel1 selling multiple "sold out" riots on ebay (at least 4) who is crackandpeel1 and where did those prints come come from? 4. PPs of Riots being sold without Dface's knowledge 5. People who bought Riot PPs receiving prints from the regular "sold out" edition 6. Banned from EB for lying to admin and creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) 7. Banned from Giant for ripping off members and making empty legal threats from lawyers who'd never heard of him. Also creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) 8. Banned from BMW forum for not sending parts to members who had bought them Coming up with good explanations for that lot should keep you going for a while... Logic and the scientific method are driven by facts. None of the above that you've written are factual... 1. Poppysunshine Alleged 2. Charity money reported publicly on his website AND here. Charity has been contacted at least twice, yet no response, and no action against Lahoda, leads one to believe that they have received the money and don't want to get involved in a petty issue. Their lack of response is NOT a report of his guilt. 3. crackandpeel1 selling multiple "sold out" riots on ebay (at least 4) who is crackandpeel1 and where did those prints come come from? This has nothing to do with anything. Even if it was Lahoda selling the prints on Ebay, doesn't BRP and POW and Art Republic, and every other print retailer in the world have to unload product that isn't selling? BRP was even selling prints in bulk lots for the original price of one print. So, honestly, get over it, it's business. 4. PPs of Riots being sold without Dface's knowledge You're wrong. You're obviously referring to UnAmerican Graffiti, not Riot. The Riot proofs were sold by JSG and shipped to the customers by Stolen Space. It's the UnAmerican Graffiti prints that were sold to benefit charity. Even if D*Face didn't know about it, he didn't need to know. He has his AP's, the printers got their PP's, and the Publisher got their Pub. P's. I find it admirable that the publisher chose to sell those prints to benefit charity. If he sold regular edition prints to benefit charity, even less money would go to the charity since he would have to pay out the artist. This way, he didn't need to ask the artist to give with him, and didn't need permission to sell prints that he printed, published, and owned outright. Furthermore, all prints were signed and numbered, so the artist saying he didn't know about them is impossible. 5. People who bought Riot PPs receiving prints from the regular "sold out" edition Again, you're wrong. You're actually referring the the SAME STORY about the UnAmerican Graffiti proofs for charity. (To my knowledge, the client reported that the publisher acknowledged this mistake, and gave the customer the option of either returning the print for refund, OR take the print and the money was donated. So, essentially, rather than giving the money from 10 prints, he made up for the mistake and actually gave MORE. 6. Banned from EB for lying to admin and creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) Actually, he was banned because of a dispute with users of both the Giant Forum and the EB forum accusing him of bootlegging Phish posters, when he was in fact working with the band to make their official concert posters. When Phish's lawyers requested that the offensive material be removed, they AND Lahoda were banned. This was another fabricated scandal that the forum members pushed publicly to get him banned for something he didn't do. 7. Banned from Giant for ripping off members and making empty legal threats from lawyers who'd never heard of him. Also creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) He was banned from the Giant after standing up for his business and sending a letter to the admin. about removing the same offensive material as poppysunshine has posted here. SAME ISSUE. Legally they had to remove the material, but they could leave his request for removal up on the site. If they legally HAD to remove the material according to US laws, then that says alot to me about the validity of the material. I'm assuming that once you sue him or he is arrested and IT IS PROVEN, then that information will be once again available to the public. The bottom line is that he was standing up for his business, and had them remove what is legally considered to be libelous writing until PROVEN otherwise. 8. Banned from BMW forum for not sending parts to members who had bought them. I showed the link to the thread that a member from here named Grafik posted on that BMW forum, asking victims and/or offended parties to come forward. This is that thread: forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=742277&page=1 NO RESPONSE FROM ANYONE These are the other allegations that were made: 9. The Ron English Camo-Clown Boy DVD not being sent with the print in 2008. The publisher put the DVD on YouTube so everyone can see it, not just the people who bought the print. Furthermore, the publisher offered a $20 refund to each customer to make up for the lack of a physical DVD being sent. There was also an issue on the Giant Forum where Lahoda was accused of stealing and selling Obey Test Proofs from Modern Multiples. This was originally reported by the people who actually DID have them, who then went to Expresso Beans and made up the s**t about the bootleg Phish Posters which got him banned their. Shepard Fairey then came out, cleared Lahoda from any wrong-doing, and said he was a stand up guy. In his words: "Don't Believe the Hype." NOW, I did about a half hour of google research this morning to read this all for myself about this publisher and each of those allegations, and there is the truth, and/or how I see it through my rose-colored glasses. I don't believe that the publisher was negligent in any of those situations (except maybe Poppysunshine's claim, which is very serious and remains to be proven.) From my research, He may only be guilty of being overbearing, overzealous, and a bit of a know-it-all, with some pretty heavy connections to the art world. I suspect this is why people really didn't like him... In the USA, people are innocent until PROVEN guilty. I for one, am waiting for that proof. Everything else is either you guys trying to nail a guy on some petty BS, or something that is still in the stages of ALLEGATION, ACCUSATION. Glad I was able to get through that list and provide some much needed perspective.
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JetSet Graffiti, by spirit on Apr 23, 2010 18:18:21 GMT 1, 1. Poppysunshine Alleged It is a fact that Daniel Lahoda received the money for a Gold Flag from poppysunshine. We have all seen the email from Lahoda confirming receipt of the funds into his account. Lahoda had made no effort to refute this, nor has he claimed to have sent the print. We would all very much like to hear Lahoda's explanation for acknowledging receipt of the funds but not sending the print. I 'm sure you'll agree it's a very fair question. Can you tell us the answer?
2. Charity money reported publicly on his website AND here. Charity has been contacted at least twice, yet no response, and no action against Lahoda, leads one to believe that they have received the money and don't want to get involved in a petty issue. Their lack of response is NOT a report of his guilt. No response from the charity proves nothing either way. It is nothing but wishful thinking if that leads you to believe that they have received the money and don't want to get involved. There is no evidence for that at all. "Reporting" a donation does not constitute proof that a donation has been made. Unlike other artists (like David Choe for example) Lahoda refused to provide any solid proof of his alleged donation. Why?
3. crackandpeel1 selling multiple "sold out" riots on ebay (at least 4) who is crackandpeel1 and where did those prints come come from? This has nothing to do with anything. Even if it was Lahoda selling the prints on Ebay, doesn't BRP and POW and Art Republic, and every other print retailer in the world have to unload product that isn't selling? BRP was even selling prints in bulk lots for the original price of one print. So, honestly, get over it, it's business. On the contrary it has everything to do with it. You seem to be missing the point completely. These were supposedly SOLD OUT prints. If a print edition has sold out, there should be no product left to unload that isn't selling! What this shows is that the claim that these prints were sold out in the first place was a LIE. As far as I am aware, the other publishers you mention have never claimed prints are sold out before flogging a load on ebay - because it would be deceiving their customers to do so. Can you give some specific examples of other publishers doing this?
4. PPs of Riots being sold without Dface's knowledge You're wrong. You're obviously referring to UnAmerican Graffiti, not Riot. The Riot proofs were sold by JSG and shipped to the customers by Stolen Space. It's the UnAmerican Graffiti prints that were sold to benefit charity. Even if D*Face didn't know about it, he didn't need to know. He has his AP's, the printers got their PP's, and the Publisher got their Pub. P's. I find it admirable that the publisher chose to sell those prints to benefit charity. If he sold regular edition prints to benefit charity, even less money would go to the charity since he would have to pay out the artist. This way, he didn't need to ask the artist to give with him, and didn't need permission to sell prints that he printed, published, and owned outright. Furthermore, all prints were signed and numbered, so the artist saying he didn't know about them is impossible.
I'm going to come back to this one tomorrow...need to check.
5. People who bought Riot PPs receiving prints from the regular "sold out" edition Again, you're wrong. You're actually referring the the SAME STORY about the UnAmerican Graffiti proofs for charity. (To my knowledge, the client reported that the publisher acknowledged this mistake, and gave the customer the option of either returning the print for refund, OR take the print and the money was donated. So, essentially, rather than giving the money from 10 prints, he made up for the mistake and actually gave MORE.
I'm going to come back to this one tomorrow...need to check.
6. Banned from EB for lying to admin and creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) Actually, he was banned because of a dispute with users of both the Giant Forum and the EB forum accusing him of bootlegging Phish posters, when he was in fact working with the band to make their official concert posters. When Phish's lawyers requested that the offensive material be removed, they AND Lahoda were banned. This was another fabricated scandal that the forum members pushed publicly to get him banned for something he didn't do. No, you're wrong about that. He was banned for exactly the reasons I said. Here it is in the words of the admin of EB who banned him (and he should know right?)
7. Banned from Giant for ripping off members and making empty legal threats from lawyers who'd never heard of him. Also creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) He was banned from the Giant after standing up for his business and sending a letter to the admin. about removing the same offensive material as poppysunshine has posted here. SAME ISSUE. Legally they had to remove the material, but they could leave his request for removal up on the site. If they legally HAD to remove the material according to US laws, then that says alot to me about the validity of the material. I'm assuming that once you sue him or he is arrested and IT IS PROVEN, then that information will be once again available to the public. The bottom line is that he was standing up for his business, and had them remove what is legally considered to be libelous writing until PROVEN otherwise. He was banned after he forged a legal letter (from a lawyer who, it turned out, had never heard of him) and threatened to sue the owners of the site with regards to content posted on it. Giant DID NOT HAVE TO remove the material according to US law as you allege, they CHOSE to remove the material in order to avoid any legal consequences that were not of their making and they could ill-afford. In their words... "A few important claims, presented as facts, are found within Mr. Lahoda's letter: In it, he's claiming a lack of legal action against him is proof of innocence, but it's not. In it he's claiming the fact he works with artists proves he isn't a fraud, but it doesn't. In it, he's claiming what is written about him in the forums is illegal, but the opposite is true. (If anything, it's a matter for civil court which doesn't cover criminality.) Still, as this is a litigious society and one can file suit for any reason at all, valid or otherwise, we felt it best to remove all previously-posted references to Mr. Lahoda and his business dealings from the site. As is noted in our response to him, above, that material has been retained should future criminal or civil charges warrant its release."
8. Banned from BMW forum for not sending parts to members who had bought them. I showed the link to the thread that a member from here named Grafik posted on that BMW forum, asking victims and/or offended parties to come forward. This is that thread: forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=742277&page=1 NO RESPONSE FROM ANYONE
I'm going to come back to this one as well...One thread with no response proves nothing. I've read plenty of complaints on that forum about Lahoda, I'll dig them up and post them here. Will probably be tomorrow before I can do that.
I would just finish off by saying you seem to know an awful lot of detail about Lahoda and his actions for someone who claims not to know him at all...quite incredible.
And how was it you knew about the url forwarding on lfa.com/categories/printsforsale exactly?
I'll leave the below issues for others as they were not raised by me.
These are the other allegations that were made: 9. The Ron English Camo-Clown Boy DVD not being sent with the print in 2008. The publisher put the DVD on YouTube so everyone can see it, not just the people who bought the print. Furthermore, the publisher offered a $20 refund to each customer to make up for the lack of a physical DVD being sent. There was also an issue on the Giant Forum where Lahoda was accused of stealing and selling Obey Test Proofs from Modern Multiples. This was originally reported by the people who actually DID have them, who then went to Expresso Beans and made up the s**t about the bootleg Phish Posters which got him banned their. Shepard Fairey then came out, cleared Lahoda from any wrong-doing, and said he was a stand up guy. In his words: "Don't Believe the Hype." NOW, I did about a half hour of google research this morning to read this all for myself about this publisher and each of those allegations, and there is the truth, and/or how I see it through my rose-colored glasses. I don't believe that the publisher was negligent in any of those situations (except maybe Poppysunshine's claim, which is very serious and remains to be proven.) From my research, He may only be guilty of being overbearing, overzealous, and a bit of a know-it-all, with some pretty heavy connections to the art world. I suspect this is why people really didn't like him... In the USA, people are innocent until PROVEN guilty. I for one, am waiting for that proof. Everything else is either you guys trying to nail a guy on some petty BS, or something that is still in the stages of ALLEGATION, ACCUSATION. Glad I was able to get through that list and provide some much needed perspective.
1. Poppysunshine Alleged It is a fact that Daniel Lahoda received the money for a Gold Flag from poppysunshine. We have all seen the email from Lahoda confirming receipt of the funds into his account. Lahoda had made no effort to refute this, nor has he claimed to have sent the print. We would all very much like to hear Lahoda's explanation for acknowledging receipt of the funds but not sending the print. I 'm sure you'll agree it's a very fair question. Can you tell us the answer? 2. Charity money reported publicly on his website AND here. Charity has been contacted at least twice, yet no response, and no action against Lahoda, leads one to believe that they have received the money and don't want to get involved in a petty issue. Their lack of response is NOT a report of his guilt. No response from the charity proves nothing either way. It is nothing but wishful thinking if that leads you to believe that they have received the money and don't want to get involved. There is no evidence for that at all. "Reporting" a donation does not constitute proof that a donation has been made. Unlike other artists (like David Choe for example) Lahoda refused to provide any solid proof of his alleged donation. Why? 3. crackandpeel1 selling multiple "sold out" riots on ebay (at least 4) who is crackandpeel1 and where did those prints come come from? This has nothing to do with anything. Even if it was Lahoda selling the prints on Ebay, doesn't BRP and POW and Art Republic, and every other print retailer in the world have to unload product that isn't selling? BRP was even selling prints in bulk lots for the original price of one print. So, honestly, get over it, it's business. On the contrary it has everything to do with it. You seem to be missing the point completely. These were supposedly SOLD OUT prints. If a print edition has sold out, there should be no product left to unload that isn't selling! What this shows is that the claim that these prints were sold out in the first place was a LIE. As far as I am aware, the other publishers you mention have never claimed prints are sold out before flogging a load on ebay - because it would be deceiving their customers to do so. Can you give some specific examples of other publishers doing this? 4. PPs of Riots being sold without Dface's knowledge You're wrong. You're obviously referring to UnAmerican Graffiti, not Riot. The Riot proofs were sold by JSG and shipped to the customers by Stolen Space. It's the UnAmerican Graffiti prints that were sold to benefit charity. Even if D*Face didn't know about it, he didn't need to know. He has his AP's, the printers got their PP's, and the Publisher got their Pub. P's. I find it admirable that the publisher chose to sell those prints to benefit charity. If he sold regular edition prints to benefit charity, even less money would go to the charity since he would have to pay out the artist. This way, he didn't need to ask the artist to give with him, and didn't need permission to sell prints that he printed, published, and owned outright. Furthermore, all prints were signed and numbered, so the artist saying he didn't know about them is impossible. I'm going to come back to this one tomorrow...need to check. 5. People who bought Riot PPs receiving prints from the regular "sold out" edition Again, you're wrong. You're actually referring the the SAME STORY about the UnAmerican Graffiti proofs for charity. (To my knowledge, the client reported that the publisher acknowledged this mistake, and gave the customer the option of either returning the print for refund, OR take the print and the money was donated. So, essentially, rather than giving the money from 10 prints, he made up for the mistake and actually gave MORE. I'm going to come back to this one tomorrow...need to check. 6. Banned from EB for lying to admin and creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) Actually, he was banned because of a dispute with users of both the Giant Forum and the EB forum accusing him of bootlegging Phish posters, when he was in fact working with the band to make their official concert posters. When Phish's lawyers requested that the offensive material be removed, they AND Lahoda were banned. This was another fabricated scandal that the forum members pushed publicly to get him banned for something he didn't do. No, you're wrong about that. He was banned for exactly the reasons I said. Here it is in the words of the admin of EB who banned him (and he should know right?) 7. Banned from Giant for ripping off members and making empty legal threats from lawyers who'd never heard of him. Also creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) He was banned from the Giant after standing up for his business and sending a letter to the admin. about removing the same offensive material as poppysunshine has posted here. SAME ISSUE. Legally they had to remove the material, but they could leave his request for removal up on the site. If they legally HAD to remove the material according to US laws, then that says alot to me about the validity of the material. I'm assuming that once you sue him or he is arrested and IT IS PROVEN, then that information will be once again available to the public. The bottom line is that he was standing up for his business, and had them remove what is legally considered to be libelous writing until PROVEN otherwise. He was banned after he forged a legal letter (from a lawyer who, it turned out, had never heard of him) and threatened to sue the owners of the site with regards to content posted on it. Giant DID NOT HAVE TO remove the material according to US law as you allege, they CHOSE to remove the material in order to avoid any legal consequences that were not of their making and they could ill-afford. In their words... "A few important claims, presented as facts, are found within Mr. Lahoda's letter: In it, he's claiming a lack of legal action against him is proof of innocence, but it's not. In it he's claiming the fact he works with artists proves he isn't a fraud, but it doesn't. In it, he's claiming what is written about him in the forums is illegal, but the opposite is true. (If anything, it's a matter for civil court which doesn't cover criminality.) Still, as this is a litigious society and one can file suit for any reason at all, valid or otherwise, we felt it best to remove all previously-posted references to Mr. Lahoda and his business dealings from the site. As is noted in our response to him, above, that material has been retained should future criminal or civil charges warrant its release." 8. Banned from BMW forum for not sending parts to members who had bought them. I showed the link to the thread that a member from here named Grafik posted on that BMW forum, asking victims and/or offended parties to come forward. This is that thread: forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=742277&page=1 NO RESPONSE FROM ANYONE I'm going to come back to this one as well...One thread with no response proves nothing. I've read plenty of complaints on that forum about Lahoda, I'll dig them up and post them here. Will probably be tomorrow before I can do that. I would just finish off by saying you seem to know an awful lot of detail about Lahoda and his actions for someone who claims not to know him at all...quite incredible. And how was it you knew about the url forwarding on lfa.com/categories/printsforsale exactly? I'll leave the below issues for others as they were not raised by me. These are the other allegations that were made: 9. The Ron English Camo-Clown Boy DVD not being sent with the print in 2008. The publisher put the DVD on YouTube so everyone can see it, not just the people who bought the print. Furthermore, the publisher offered a $20 refund to each customer to make up for the lack of a physical DVD being sent. There was also an issue on the Giant Forum where Lahoda was accused of stealing and selling Obey Test Proofs from Modern Multiples. This was originally reported by the people who actually DID have them, who then went to Expresso Beans and made up the s**t about the bootleg Phish Posters which got him banned their. Shepard Fairey then came out, cleared Lahoda from any wrong-doing, and said he was a stand up guy. In his words: "Don't Believe the Hype." NOW, I did about a half hour of google research this morning to read this all for myself about this publisher and each of those allegations, and there is the truth, and/or how I see it through my rose-colored glasses. I don't believe that the publisher was negligent in any of those situations (except maybe Poppysunshine's claim, which is very serious and remains to be proven.) From my research, He may only be guilty of being overbearing, overzealous, and a bit of a know-it-all, with some pretty heavy connections to the art world. I suspect this is why people really didn't like him... In the USA, people are innocent until PROVEN guilty. I for one, am waiting for that proof. Everything else is either you guys trying to nail a guy on some petty BS, or something that is still in the stages of ALLEGATION, ACCUSATION. Glad I was able to get through that list and provide some much needed perspective.
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JetSet Graffiti, by curiousgeorge on Apr 23, 2010 18:30:21 GMT 1, "From my research, He may only be guilty of being overbearing, overzealous, and a bit of a know-it-all, with some pretty heavy connections to the art world. I suspect this is why people really didn't like him..."
In my experience i found him very dishonest and untrustworthy, when asked a simple question to back up claims he would ignore emails for months on end. My issues took about 18 months to resolve, and through it all not one word of apology
Petty bs eh
"From my research, He may only be guilty of being overbearing, overzealous, and a bit of a know-it-all, with some pretty heavy connections to the art world. I suspect this is why people really didn't like him..."
In my experience i found him very dishonest and untrustworthy, when asked a simple question to back up claims he would ignore emails for months on end. My issues took about 18 months to resolve, and through it all not one word of apology
Petty bs eh
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JetSet Graffiti, by nigelbgg on Apr 23, 2010 19:08:57 GMT 1, Come on Silky, ban that t**t again..... its getting fucking boring now.
Come on Silky, ban that t**t again..... its getting fucking boring now.
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JetSet Graffiti, by inshallah on Apr 23, 2010 19:32:54 GMT 1, "From my research, He may only be guilty of being overbearing, overzealous, and a bit of a know-it-all, with some pretty heavy connections to the art world. I suspect this is why people really didn't like him..." In my experience i found him very dishonest and untrustworthy, when asked a simple question to back up claims he would ignore emails for months on end. My issues took about 18 months to resolve, and through it all not one word of apology Petty bs eh
A few simple searches of this forum will help us out on this one:
Earlier, you alluded that your issue was that you received a signed, but unnumbered COA for the Camo-Clown Boy print in 2008, is that right? If the artist makes 100 prints, and signs 100 prints and 100 COA's, what does it matter if your COA is numbered? They are both limited commodities that support each other, which is what defines the very nature of a COA. Do you have the COA now?
You also were the only one who was publicly upset about the lack of DVD, and since Mr. Lahoda offered his clients a $20 refund on said DVD, did you receive that $20 refund from JSG?
Finally, you originally said that you had to wait for your COA because Lahoda sold you a print that he had with him while he was in London. Can you confirm that you didn't get the print through his website, but by hand-delivery in London? Sounds to me like he fully did you a favor on that one...
Hand-Delivery, No shipping charges. $20 Refund for the DVD? Public apology about the DVD and delay on re-sending the new COA.
...and you're still finding ways to go on and on about this when it all happened in 2008...
"From my research, He may only be guilty of being overbearing, overzealous, and a bit of a know-it-all, with some pretty heavy connections to the art world. I suspect this is why people really didn't like him..." In my experience i found him very dishonest and untrustworthy, when asked a simple question to back up claims he would ignore emails for months on end. My issues took about 18 months to resolve, and through it all not one word of apology Petty bs eh A few simple searches of this forum will help us out on this one: Earlier, you alluded that your issue was that you received a signed, but unnumbered COA for the Camo-Clown Boy print in 2008, is that right? If the artist makes 100 prints, and signs 100 prints and 100 COA's, what does it matter if your COA is numbered? They are both limited commodities that support each other, which is what defines the very nature of a COA. Do you have the COA now? You also were the only one who was publicly upset about the lack of DVD, and since Mr. Lahoda offered his clients a $20 refund on said DVD, did you receive that $20 refund from JSG? Finally, you originally said that you had to wait for your COA because Lahoda sold you a print that he had with him while he was in London. Can you confirm that you didn't get the print through his website, but by hand-delivery in London? Sounds to me like he fully did you a favor on that one... Hand-Delivery, No shipping charges. $20 Refund for the DVD? Public apology about the DVD and delay on re-sending the new COA. ...and you're still finding ways to go on and on about this when it all happened in 2008...
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Poppy Sunshine
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JetSet Graffiti, by Poppy Sunshine on Apr 23, 2010 19:33:04 GMT 1, Spirit I have to applaud you for a fantastic and amazingly well researched answer which should just about shoot down everything Inshallah has asked about and all is 100% correct of course.
Again, plenty of people have asked why there has not yet been a court case etc and the simple answer is that I have allowed myself to be strung along with false hope and promises for too long before making the decision to go legal.
The main reason being that I had hoped Mr Lahoda would realise that we will both end up very much out of pocket by a court battle and it will certainly not help whatever may be left of his reputation. However, he chose the hard way so I am now resigned to the fact that I will be making my way over to LA in the not too distant future to attend the court and the longer he drags it out without seeking to settle the matter the worse it is going to look.
Spirit I have to applaud you for a fantastic and amazingly well researched answer which should just about shoot down everything Inshallah has asked about and all is 100% correct of course.
Again, plenty of people have asked why there has not yet been a court case etc and the simple answer is that I have allowed myself to be strung along with false hope and promises for too long before making the decision to go legal.
The main reason being that I had hoped Mr Lahoda would realise that we will both end up very much out of pocket by a court battle and it will certainly not help whatever may be left of his reputation. However, he chose the hard way so I am now resigned to the fact that I will be making my way over to LA in the not too distant future to attend the court and the longer he drags it out without seeking to settle the matter the worse it is going to look.
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JetSet Graffiti, by willywonka on Apr 23, 2010 19:51:25 GMT 1, What a joke this person really is.
Shame on the management here for letting him get away with it for so long and to still allow him to get away with it.
What a joke this person really is.
Shame on the management here for letting him get away with it for so long and to still allow him to get away with it.
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Cedric Mnich
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JetSet Graffiti, by Cedric Mnich on Apr 23, 2010 19:53:37 GMT 1, inshallah, why do you hide behind a new identity if you pretend not being Lahoda or a close friend / collaborator of his or whatever. It is your full right to seek the truth or even defend JSG under your usual forum ID. using that "inshallah" profile only adds to suspicion. And since you seem very capable of searching everything related to JSG's business, what is your comment on Lahoda's mail saying he received the money and would send the tracking number to poppy ? From my point of view, it's no use to try make a list of people having problems with JSG, dig out various forums or whatever. One is far enough. There is ONE SINGLE VERY ANNOYING EMAIL produced by Poppy which was NEVER commented or denied by Lahoda when he could do it (that is before he was banned). No use to "drown the fish" as we say in France about other customers or posters. A simple explanation by Lahoda about that email would help a lot to clear the situation. Either by email or having him come back here to reply. That thread will have no end until some court takes a legal decision about who is right.
inshallah, why do you hide behind a new identity if you pretend not being Lahoda or a close friend / collaborator of his or whatever. It is your full right to seek the truth or even defend JSG under your usual forum ID. using that "inshallah" profile only adds to suspicion. And since you seem very capable of searching everything related to JSG's business, what is your comment on Lahoda's mail saying he received the money and would send the tracking number to poppy ? From my point of view, it's no use to try make a list of people having problems with JSG, dig out various forums or whatever. One is far enough. There is ONE SINGLE VERY ANNOYING EMAIL produced by Poppy which was NEVER commented or denied by Lahoda when he could do it (that is before he was banned). No use to "drown the fish" as we say in France about other customers or posters. A simple explanation by Lahoda about that email would help a lot to clear the situation. Either by email or having him come back here to reply. That thread will have no end until some court takes a legal decision about who is right.
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thecsoldier
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JetSet Graffiti, by thecsoldier on Apr 23, 2010 20:08:07 GMT 1, "2. Charity money reported publicly on his website AND here. Charity has been contacted at least twice, yet no response, and no action against Lahoda, leads one to believe that they have received the money and don't want to get involved in a petty issue. Their lack of response is NOT a report of his guilt. No response from the charity proves nothing either way. It is nothing but wishful thinking if that leads you to believe that they have received the money and don't want to get involved. There is no evidence for that at all. "Reporting" a donation does not constitute proof that a donation has been made. Unlike other artists (like David Choe for example) Lahoda refused to provide any solid proof of his alleged donation. Why?"
even further "WE DONT KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WAS SENT" it could have been $0.02 for all we know. it never stated the amount given.
ILL TAKE THIS ONE SPIRIT:
5. People who bought Riot PPs receiving prints from the regular "sold out" edition
"Again, you're wrong. You're actually referring the the SAME STORY about the UnAmerican Graffiti proofs for charity. (To my knowledge, the client reported that the publisher acknowledged this mistake, and gave the customer the option of either returning the print for refund, OR take the print and the money was donated. So, essentially, rather than giving the money from 10 prints, he made up for the mistake and actually gave MORE."
Your right about the prints being the UN-American edition.
the point is that "more then on person" got the "SOLD OUT" numbered edition. the same sold out edition that crack and peel is selling on ebay.
we have no conformation if "ANY" of the money paid for theses numbered edition prints actually went to charity or in the pocket of JSG. (goes back to the proof of the amount of payment to the charity)
"2. Charity money reported publicly on his website AND here. Charity has been contacted at least twice, yet no response, and no action against Lahoda, leads one to believe that they have received the money and don't want to get involved in a petty issue. Their lack of response is NOT a report of his guilt. No response from the charity proves nothing either way. It is nothing but wishful thinking if that leads you to believe that they have received the money and don't want to get involved. There is no evidence for that at all. "Reporting" a donation does not constitute proof that a donation has been made. Unlike other artists (like David Choe for example) Lahoda refused to provide any solid proof of his alleged donation. Why?"
even further "WE DONT KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WAS SENT" it could have been $0.02 for all we know. it never stated the amount given.
ILL TAKE THIS ONE SPIRIT:
5. People who bought Riot PPs receiving prints from the regular "sold out" edition
"Again, you're wrong. You're actually referring the the SAME STORY about the UnAmerican Graffiti proofs for charity. (To my knowledge, the client reported that the publisher acknowledged this mistake, and gave the customer the option of either returning the print for refund, OR take the print and the money was donated. So, essentially, rather than giving the money from 10 prints, he made up for the mistake and actually gave MORE."
Your right about the prints being the UN-American edition.
the point is that "more then on person" got the "SOLD OUT" numbered edition. the same sold out edition that crack and peel is selling on ebay.
we have no conformation if "ANY" of the money paid for theses numbered edition prints actually went to charity or in the pocket of JSG. (goes back to the proof of the amount of payment to the charity)
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JetSet Graffiti, by inshallah on Apr 23, 2010 20:16:53 GMT 1, 1. Poppysunshine Alleged It is a fact that Daniel Lahoda received the money for a Gold Flag from poppysunshine. We have all seen the email from Lahoda confirming receipt of the funds into his account. Lahoda had made no effort to refute this, nor has he claimed to have sent the print. We would all very much like to hear Lahoda's explanation for acknowledging receipt of the funds but not sending the print. I 'm sure you'll agree it's a very fair question. Can you tell us the answer? it would take me about 5 minutes to fabricate and post an email saying that you believe in Satan and eat puppies for breakfast every morning. This email hasn't been verified by anyone with any real authority. Furthermore, the obvious photo-copy lines on the addresses also indicates it could be fake. He printed the email and posted a photo of the hard copy? Anyone ever heard of a simple screen-grab? Why doesn't poppy get an independent report of the authenticity of the email, including the IP address attached to that email? Then we can compare it to other emails that people received from him around the same time and he can include that redundancy with the lawsuit? It would take 5 minutes to do this!!! Oh right, it's been 3 years, and he hasn't done anything about losing $8K. Like I said before, it's important that we remain objective until their is a real world result.
2. Charity money reported publicly on his website AND here. Charity has been contacted at least twice, yet no response, and no action against Lahoda, leads one to believe that they have received the money and don't want to get involved in a petty issue. Their lack of response is NOT a report of his guilt. No response from the charity proves nothing either way. It is nothing but wishful thinking if that leads you to believe that they have received the money and don't want to get involved. There is no evidence for that at all. "Reporting" a donation does not constitute proof that a donation has been made. Unlike other artists (like David Choe for example) Lahoda refused to provide any solid proof of his alleged donation. Why? Lahoda posted screen grabs from his website here, as well as a direct link which very clearly state the donation in a letter sent on charity leterhead. This is a legally valid public reporting of the donation. There's more EVIDENCE of him donating the money than him not donating it. Innocent until proven guilty, and the burden of PROOF dictates that he has donated the money.
3. crackandpeel1 selling multiple "sold out" riots on ebay (at least 4) who is crackandpeel1 and where did those prints come come from? This has nothing to do with anything. Even if it was Lahoda selling the prints on Ebay, doesn't BRP and POW and Art Republic, and every other print retailer in the world have to unload product that isn't selling? BRP was even selling prints in bulk lots for the original price of one print. So, honestly, get over it, it's business. On the contrary it has everything to do with it. You seem to be missing the point completely. These were supposedly SOLD OUT prints. If a print edition has sold out, there should be no product left to unload that isn't selling! What this shows is that the claim that these prints were sold out in the first place was a LIE. As far as I am aware, the other publishers you mention have never claimed prints are sold out before flogging a load on ebay - because it would be deceiving their customers to do so. Can you give some specific examples of other publishers doing this? Black Rat Press did it with Logan Hicks most notably in the past. In regards to short-selling the edition, there's no way to know who is actually selling out and who isn't. Besides, where is your proof that this ebay seller is JSG? Facts, remember?
4. PPs of Riots being sold without Dface's knowledge You're wrong. You're obviously referring to UnAmerican Graffiti, not Riot. The Riot proofs were sold by JSG and shipped to the customers by Stolen Space. It's the UnAmerican Graffiti prints that were sold to benefit charity. Even if D*Face didn't know about it, he didn't need to know. He has his AP's, the printers got their PP's, and the Publisher got their Pub. P's. I find it admirable that the publisher chose to sell those prints to benefit charity. If he sold regular edition prints to benefit charity, even less money would go to the charity since he would have to pay out the artist. This way, he didn't need to ask the artist to give with him, and didn't need permission to sell prints that he printed, published, and owned outright. Furthermore, all prints were signed and numbered, so the artist saying he didn't know about them is impossible.
I'm going to come back to this one tomorrow...need to check. OK, Cool.
5. People who bought Riot PPs receiving prints from the regular "sold out" edition Again, you're wrong. You're actually referring the the SAME STORY about the UnAmerican Graffiti proofs for charity. (To my knowledge, the client reported that the publisher acknowledged this mistake, and gave the customer the option of either returning the print for refund, OR take the print and the money was donated. So, essentially, rather than giving the money from 10 prints, he made up for the mistake and actually gave MORE.
I'm going to come back to this one tomorrow...need to check. OK, Cool.
6. Banned from EB for lying to admin and creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) Actually, he was banned because of a dispute with users of both the Giant Forum and the EB forum accusing him of bootlegging Phish posters, when he was in fact working with the band to make their official concert posters. When Phish's lawyers requested that the offensive material be removed, they AND Lahoda were banned. This was another fabricated scandal that the forum members pushed publicly to get him banned for something he didn't do. No, you're wrong about that. He was banned for exactly the reasons I said. Here it is in the words of the admin of EB who banned him (and he should know right?)
Learn to read. The only thing this says is that they found him coming back under a different user name AFTER the ban. This says nothing as to the original reason he was banned. These forums are anonymous; it's a double edged sword. You can't expect some people to be anonymous, and others have to be public with their actions on these forums. That's a double-standard... The ethics of it are debatable, but anonymous forums will always be a place of hear-say where everything is taken with a grain of salt. You'd be stupid to think that there aren't other professionals who aren't doing the same thing. I'd be willing to bet that some of your favorite artists are here anonymously pushing themselves and their friends.
7. Banned from Giant for ripping off members and making empty legal threats from lawyers who'd never heard of him. Also creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) He was banned from the Giant after standing up for his business and sending a letter to the admin. about removing the same offensive material as poppysunshine has posted here. SAME ISSUE. Legally they had to remove the material, but they could leave his request for removal up on the site. If they legally HAD to remove the material according to US laws, then that says alot to me about the validity of the material. I'm assuming that once you sue him or he is arrested and IT IS PROVEN, then that information will be once again available to the public. The bottom line is that he was standing up for his business, and had them remove what is legally considered to be libelous writing until PROVEN otherwise. He was banned after he forged a legal letter (from a lawyer who, it turned out, had never heard of him) and threatened to sue the owners of the site with regards to content posted on it. Giant DID NOT HAVE TO remove the material according to US law as you allege, they CHOSE to remove the material in order to avoid any legal consequences that were not of their making and they could ill-afford. In their words... "A few important claims, presented as facts, are found within Mr. Lahoda's letter: In it, he's claiming a lack of legal action against him is proof of innocence, but it's not. In it he's claiming the fact he works with artists proves he isn't a fraud, but it doesn't. In it, he's claiming what is written about him in the forums is illegal, but the opposite is true. (If anything, it's a matter for civil court which doesn't cover criminality.) Still, as this is a litigious society and one can file suit for any reason at all, valid or otherwise, we felt it best to remove all previously-posted references to Mr. Lahoda and his business dealings from the site. As is noted in our response to him, above, that material has been retained should future criminal or civil charges warrant its release." Your claim that he forged a legal letter is pretty ridiculous, and purely hear-say. That reads to me like a classic response from someone who got legally Bitch-slapped and had to come up with justification to their users for removing the offending material. The Giant Forum is the most censored, most propagandistic forum I have ever been to. If Shepard Fairey endorses Lahoda on that site, why would they continue to oppose him? Probably because he hurt the fragile egos of the admins. on that board and didn't or wouldn't apologize.
8. Banned from BMW forum for not sending parts to members who had bought them. I showed the link to the thread that a member from here named Grafik posted on that BMW forum, asking victims and/or offended parties to come forward. This is that thread: forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=742277&page=1 NO RESPONSE FROM ANYONE
I'm going to come back to this one as well...One thread with no response proves nothing. I've read plenty of complaints on that forum about Lahoda, I'll dig them up and post them here. Will probably be tomorrow before I can do that.
The only thing that I saw on that forum was a complaint from 2003 that a guy was waiting weeks for a used oil-cooler for his BMW... So, if we're going to bring up incidents from 2003, you should probably find the kid who he beat up on the playground in 1985 too. You're really reaching, aren't you?
I would just finish off by saying you seem to know an awful lot of detail about Lahoda and his actions for someone who claims not to know him at all...quite incredible.
And how was it you knew about the url forwarding on lfa.com/categories/printsforsale exactly?
It's all VERY EASILY discoverable on google. I told you it took me a half hour of research to find facts that call into question every single allegation you are making... whois.domaintools.com/(Removed) . Any basic whois lookup will tell you that he has Lahoda Fine Arts, ArtBombs, and JetSet Graffiti all pointed to that site. It's done to boost his search results. I'm familiar with this practice, because it's very common. I have easy access to this info. at work. Since his JSG website link had disappeared, I was using it as a simple work-around to post the link.
1. Poppysunshine Alleged It is a fact that Daniel Lahoda received the money for a Gold Flag from poppysunshine. We have all seen the email from Lahoda confirming receipt of the funds into his account. Lahoda had made no effort to refute this, nor has he claimed to have sent the print. We would all very much like to hear Lahoda's explanation for acknowledging receipt of the funds but not sending the print. I 'm sure you'll agree it's a very fair question. Can you tell us the answer? it would take me about 5 minutes to fabricate and post an email saying that you believe in Satan and eat puppies for breakfast every morning. This email hasn't been verified by anyone with any real authority. Furthermore, the obvious photo-copy lines on the addresses also indicates it could be fake. He printed the email and posted a photo of the hard copy? Anyone ever heard of a simple screen-grab? Why doesn't poppy get an independent report of the authenticity of the email, including the IP address attached to that email? Then we can compare it to other emails that people received from him around the same time and he can include that redundancy with the lawsuit? It would take 5 minutes to do this!!! Oh right, it's been 3 years, and he hasn't done anything about losing $8K. Like I said before, it's important that we remain objective until their is a real world result. 2. Charity money reported publicly on his website AND here. Charity has been contacted at least twice, yet no response, and no action against Lahoda, leads one to believe that they have received the money and don't want to get involved in a petty issue. Their lack of response is NOT a report of his guilt. No response from the charity proves nothing either way. It is nothing but wishful thinking if that leads you to believe that they have received the money and don't want to get involved. There is no evidence for that at all. "Reporting" a donation does not constitute proof that a donation has been made. Unlike other artists (like David Choe for example) Lahoda refused to provide any solid proof of his alleged donation. Why? Lahoda posted screen grabs from his website here, as well as a direct link which very clearly state the donation in a letter sent on charity leterhead. This is a legally valid public reporting of the donation. There's more EVIDENCE of him donating the money than him not donating it. Innocent until proven guilty, and the burden of PROOF dictates that he has donated the money. 3. crackandpeel1 selling multiple "sold out" riots on ebay (at least 4) who is crackandpeel1 and where did those prints come come from? This has nothing to do with anything. Even if it was Lahoda selling the prints on Ebay, doesn't BRP and POW and Art Republic, and every other print retailer in the world have to unload product that isn't selling? BRP was even selling prints in bulk lots for the original price of one print. So, honestly, get over it, it's business. On the contrary it has everything to do with it. You seem to be missing the point completely. These were supposedly SOLD OUT prints. If a print edition has sold out, there should be no product left to unload that isn't selling! What this shows is that the claim that these prints were sold out in the first place was a LIE. As far as I am aware, the other publishers you mention have never claimed prints are sold out before flogging a load on ebay - because it would be deceiving their customers to do so. Can you give some specific examples of other publishers doing this? Black Rat Press did it with Logan Hicks most notably in the past. In regards to short-selling the edition, there's no way to know who is actually selling out and who isn't. Besides, where is your proof that this ebay seller is JSG? Facts, remember? 4. PPs of Riots being sold without Dface's knowledge You're wrong. You're obviously referring to UnAmerican Graffiti, not Riot. The Riot proofs were sold by JSG and shipped to the customers by Stolen Space. It's the UnAmerican Graffiti prints that were sold to benefit charity. Even if D*Face didn't know about it, he didn't need to know. He has his AP's, the printers got their PP's, and the Publisher got their Pub. P's. I find it admirable that the publisher chose to sell those prints to benefit charity. If he sold regular edition prints to benefit charity, even less money would go to the charity since he would have to pay out the artist. This way, he didn't need to ask the artist to give with him, and didn't need permission to sell prints that he printed, published, and owned outright. Furthermore, all prints were signed and numbered, so the artist saying he didn't know about them is impossible. I'm going to come back to this one tomorrow...need to check. OK, Cool. 5. People who bought Riot PPs receiving prints from the regular "sold out" edition Again, you're wrong. You're actually referring the the SAME STORY about the UnAmerican Graffiti proofs for charity. (To my knowledge, the client reported that the publisher acknowledged this mistake, and gave the customer the option of either returning the print for refund, OR take the print and the money was donated. So, essentially, rather than giving the money from 10 prints, he made up for the mistake and actually gave MORE. I'm going to come back to this one tomorrow...need to check. OK, Cool. 6. Banned from EB for lying to admin and creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) Actually, he was banned because of a dispute with users of both the Giant Forum and the EB forum accusing him of bootlegging Phish posters, when he was in fact working with the band to make their official concert posters. When Phish's lawyers requested that the offensive material be removed, they AND Lahoda were banned. This was another fabricated scandal that the forum members pushed publicly to get him banned for something he didn't do. No, you're wrong about that. He was banned for exactly the reasons I said. Here it is in the words of the admin of EB who banned him (and he should know right?) Learn to read. The only thing this says is that they found him coming back under a different user name AFTER the ban. This says nothing as to the original reason he was banned. These forums are anonymous; it's a double edged sword. You can't expect some people to be anonymous, and others have to be public with their actions on these forums. That's a double-standard... The ethics of it are debatable, but anonymous forums will always be a place of hear-say where everything is taken with a grain of salt. You'd be stupid to think that there aren't other professionals who aren't doing the same thing. I'd be willing to bet that some of your favorite artists are here anonymously pushing themselves and their friends. 7. Banned from Giant for ripping off members and making empty legal threats from lawyers who'd never heard of him. Also creating multiple new accounts when he has a print to sell (sound familiar?) He was banned from the Giant after standing up for his business and sending a letter to the admin. about removing the same offensive material as poppysunshine has posted here. SAME ISSUE. Legally they had to remove the material, but they could leave his request for removal up on the site. If they legally HAD to remove the material according to US laws, then that says alot to me about the validity of the material. I'm assuming that once you sue him or he is arrested and IT IS PROVEN, then that information will be once again available to the public. The bottom line is that he was standing up for his business, and had them remove what is legally considered to be libelous writing until PROVEN otherwise. He was banned after he forged a legal letter (from a lawyer who, it turned out, had never heard of him) and threatened to sue the owners of the site with regards to content posted on it. Giant DID NOT HAVE TO remove the material according to US law as you allege, they CHOSE to remove the material in order to avoid any legal consequences that were not of their making and they could ill-afford. In their words... "A few important claims, presented as facts, are found within Mr. Lahoda's letter: In it, he's claiming a lack of legal action against him is proof of innocence, but it's not. In it he's claiming the fact he works with artists proves he isn't a fraud, but it doesn't. In it, he's claiming what is written about him in the forums is illegal, but the opposite is true. (If anything, it's a matter for civil court which doesn't cover criminality.) Still, as this is a litigious society and one can file suit for any reason at all, valid or otherwise, we felt it best to remove all previously-posted references to Mr. Lahoda and his business dealings from the site. As is noted in our response to him, above, that material has been retained should future criminal or civil charges warrant its release." Your claim that he forged a legal letter is pretty ridiculous, and purely hear-say. That reads to me like a classic response from someone who got legally Bitch-slapped and had to come up with justification to their users for removing the offending material. The Giant Forum is the most censored, most propagandistic forum I have ever been to. If Shepard Fairey endorses Lahoda on that site, why would they continue to oppose him? Probably because he hurt the fragile egos of the admins. on that board and didn't or wouldn't apologize. 8. Banned from BMW forum for not sending parts to members who had bought them. I showed the link to the thread that a member from here named Grafik posted on that BMW forum, asking victims and/or offended parties to come forward. This is that thread: forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=742277&page=1 NO RESPONSE FROM ANYONE I'm going to come back to this one as well...One thread with no response proves nothing. I've read plenty of complaints on that forum about Lahoda, I'll dig them up and post them here. Will probably be tomorrow before I can do that. The only thing that I saw on that forum was a complaint from 2003 that a guy was waiting weeks for a used oil-cooler for his BMW... So, if we're going to bring up incidents from 2003, you should probably find the kid who he beat up on the playground in 1985 too. You're really reaching, aren't you?I would just finish off by saying you seem to know an awful lot of detail about Lahoda and his actions for someone who claims not to know him at all...quite incredible. And how was it you knew about the url forwarding on lfa.com/categories/printsforsale exactly? It's all VERY EASILY discoverable on google. I told you it took me a half hour of research to find facts that call into question every single allegation you are making... whois.domaintools.com/(Removed) . Any basic whois lookup will tell you that he has Lahoda Fine Arts, ArtBombs, and JetSet Graffiti all pointed to that site. It's done to boost his search results. I'm familiar with this practice, because it's very common. I have easy access to this info. at work. Since his JSG website link had disappeared, I was using it as a simple work-around to post the link.
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acidburn
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JetSet Graffiti, by acidburn on Apr 23, 2010 20:17:01 GMT 1, as you say QUOTE - PRIVATE dispute this has nothing to do with you so i dont see why you should start demanding things to happen just coz you got some time off next week grow up mate and leave this to the LAPD art fraud division Well then, according to THAT logic, the entire thread should be deleted. If it's a PRIVATE dispute, then why has it been made so public? Perhaps to damage someone's reputation and hard work? You see, when you leave emotion to the side and let logic take it's course, you are left with a single FACT. ONE guy says he was harmed by JSG 3 years ago. Back to the list: 1. Poppysunshine 2.
Back to the list of people who im not a fan of:
1. Inshallah 2.
as you say QUOTE - PRIVATE dispute this has nothing to do with you so i dont see why you should start demanding things to happen just coz you got some time off next week grow up mate and leave this to the LAPD art fraud division Well then, according to THAT logic, the entire thread should be deleted. If it's a PRIVATE dispute, then why has it been made so public? Perhaps to damage someone's reputation and hard work? You see, when you leave emotion to the side and let logic take it's course, you are left with a single FACT. ONE guy says he was harmed by JSG 3 years ago. Back to the list: 1. Poppysunshine 2. Back to the list of people who im not a fan of: 1. Inshallah 2.
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JetSet Graffiti, by curiousgeorge on Apr 23, 2010 20:18:28 GMT 1, What a joke this person really is. Shame on the management here for letting him get away with it for so long and to still allow him to get away with it.
This!
The truthmeister who has to post under another name, what a mug
What a joke this person really is. Shame on the management here for letting him get away with it for so long and to still allow him to get away with it. This! The truthmeister who has to post under another name, what a mug
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JetSet Graffiti, by nigelbgg on Apr 23, 2010 20:21:16 GMT 1, So lahoda, got a REAL piece of paper from the charity?
With a donation amount on it?
Date on it?
Tax reference on it?
Charity registration number on it?
Wait, why the fuck are you still here, oh yes, to sell your shit because you need the members of this forum to make money.
So lahoda, got a REAL piece of paper from the charity?
With a donation amount on it?
Date on it?
Tax reference on it?
Charity registration number on it?
Wait, why the fuck are you still here, oh yes, to sell your shit because you need the members of this forum to make money.
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JetSet Graffiti, by Daniel Silk on Apr 23, 2010 20:21:54 GMT 1, What a joke this person really is. Shame on the management here for letting him get away with it for so long and to still allow him to get away with it.
I think its been pretty interesting really But agree! the novelty is wearing off a bit now
What a joke this person really is. Shame on the management here for letting him get away with it for so long and to still allow him to get away with it. I think its been pretty interesting really But agree! the novelty is wearing off a bit now
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JetSet Graffiti, by nigelbgg on Apr 23, 2010 20:27:03 GMT 1, Phew he's gone, see you soon Lahoda, under a new name soon, a week before you release your next edition.
Phew he's gone, see you soon Lahoda, under a new name soon, a week before you release your next edition.
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JetSet Graffiti, by curiousgeorge on Apr 23, 2010 20:28:07 GMT 1, What a joke this person really is. Shame on the management here for letting him get away with it for so long and to still allow him to get away with it. I think its been pretty interesting really But agree! the novelty is wearing off a bit now
Doubt Poppy feels that way! And i can imagine what i would feel like if i was scammed of $8k then the fool came back to rub everyone up the wrong way.
Interesting that you found it interesting...
What a joke this person really is. Shame on the management here for letting him get away with it for so long and to still allow him to get away with it. I think its been pretty interesting really But agree! the novelty is wearing off a bit now Doubt Poppy feels that way! And i can imagine what i would feel like if i was scammed of $8k then the fool came back to rub everyone up the wrong way. Interesting that you found it interesting...
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