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If they were Given the all clear from PC, what value would you put on them?

They are pretty big, but if i was minted I wouldn't want to be paying more than ? :-) for them

yeah, nice images but I've never been a massive fan of stuff painted on cardboard, they always look a bit tacky in my worthless opinion. I'd much rather have a canvas and I can't see some loaded banker wanting a bit of old beaten up card on his wall.

^^Agreed....with 150k you could probably get a whole set of cyw's

is that fact or rumour on the cardboard front?

If fact, how long does cardboard last conservation wise

I'm convinced! I'll have all three....plus if anyone can knock up a few more I'll spend another few hundred thousand on them too!

maybe it's supposed to 150,000 yen ... ?

I think you are possibly right that he thinks they may be real, however by the way he talks about them belonging to a friend I think he is trying to make a quick and huge profit and if he gets somebody prepared to pay stupid money for them he will then buy them from his "friend" to sell on.

I can't really believe Banksy was showing any of his work in Japan back in 2003, in the same year as he put his first proper exhibition on in the UK and even over here he was mainly unknown to almost anybody not into street art and local authorities were busy buffing everything they could find. I know there is a thread on here claiming he did a show in 2002, but to be honest I just "do not believe it" (in my best Victor Meldrew voice )

i also Thought midway though this link might be relevant regarding any Banksys in Japan

zichi.posterous.com/british-police-arrest-trio-of-banksy-counterf

If that was the case (and I have no reason to disbelieve you, but I just still find it very unlikely that the Japanese knew and were featuring somebody who was an virtual unknown to the average person in the UK that was not already into street art, but I am quite happy to be proved wrong) regarding these pieces I would have thought that any work displayed in an exhibition of a major foreign artist (well big enough to put an exhibition on) would have been a little bit grander than some stenciling on cardboard. Some canvases on eBay a couple of years ago do not really prove anymore than they are at least two years old. Any further proof of this exhibition would be interesting to see.

I can find nothing about it or any pictures in any of his books and I thought it would have been a major event for him at that stage

I'm certain he was out there in 02/03... he had work on the street and also a collaboration show at BEAMS in Harajuku. The show was the Griffin x Banksy release of The wrong T-shirts... I was there myself and almost bought a T-shirt that was on sale.


I believe this could be genuine as I saw that show and saw Faile street pieces around that time too, and also bought Shep Fairey prints as he also had a show around that time too in the Dept store.

As for the GAS exhibition... They also had a Faile/BAST show too.



www.dex.ne.jp/gasweb/jp/japanese/200303.html

You'll also note that on their links they have banksy and faile amongst others and have put on a lot of related shows..... with BEAMS T who have sown WK Interact, Dalek etc...

I love the many of you posting are so quick to talk this listing down, but I think it's just a japanese seller with a listing that's just not written in the best english.... I bet it gets a COA too.


Also BANKSY gave LOOP, a club in Tokyo permission to use his images on their fliers around the same time... these are mine, check the dates!!

IMO it all adds up!!





And on a side note I bought a piece from a japanese seller from 03 which initially had problems with PC before they deterimned that it was genuine.

Here is a thread with a couple photos from the '02 show: urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?board=banksy&action=display&thread=45728

Here is another piece with Japanese provenance (and is pictured behind the monkey in the first photo in the thread above). Clearly, he seemed to like cardboard at the time:

BANKSY
Untitled (Fly)
2002
spray paint on stamps on cardboard
39 1/4 x 39 1/4 inches (100cm x 100cm)
signed in spray paint lower right

Provenance:
Agnes B Shop, Japan 2002




>>the prices for Banksy's new works are commanding higher prices, simply because of where they are being placed and to who, while his older works really haven't shot up that much.<<<

I'm certainly not trying to be argumentative and concur with you on the Hopper piece. However, the recent auction results have been quite shocking to me as an onlooker. That Lincoln on cardboard left a lot to be desired to my eyes but it was worth 70k to someone and it certainly didn't have any Hopper like provenance behind it. I'm looking at an artnet run in another window and there is an old precision bombing (edition of 10) from '01 that someone splashed down 65k for and a bird with grenade from the same year that cost 110k and a recent HW for even more. As far as I'm aware none of those had any standout provenance but they still had strong pricing. I'm sure the oscar madness played a role but clearly there are buyers and tight supply so prices seem to have lifted recently regardless of who owned pieces for sale. I agree with you, I'd never pay much for a cardboard piece but someone just spent half that ask for a much smaller cardboard piece from '08 of Lincoln. Given that desirability to at least 2 people out there, I wouldn't rule out 150 as an ask for a laugh now or happy choppers from '03 that's 5X+ the size of the Lincoln. Same medium, much larger, iconic and older= strange days indeed.