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Selling a gift piece ok?, by Coach on Jan 16, 2011 0:40:08 GMT 1, Interested to know peoples thoughts on the ethics of selling a gift piece.
Have seen a few comments that they should never be sold.
The piece belongs to the current owner - free to do with it what they please. But it was intended as a gift, and was not paid for. Hmmm.
What if the piece was sent by way of an apology, eg because an artist was late delivering something?
What if the piece has been displayed for a couple of years, and the owner wants a change, knows the peice has a value, and could thereby raise funds to buy something new? And at the same time have the comfort of knowing that the piece is now being enjoyed by someone (rather than being shoved in a portfolio)?
All the above currently applies to me. I am not asking permission to sell - I will do if I decide I want to. I am just interested in the debate, as I can genuinly see both sides of the argument.
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Interested to know peoples thoughts on the ethics of selling a gift piece.
Have seen a few comments that they should never be sold.
The piece belongs to the current owner - free to do with it what they please. But it was intended as a gift, and was not paid for. Hmmm.
What if the piece was sent by way of an apology, eg because an artist was late delivering something?
What if the piece has been displayed for a couple of years, and the owner wants a change, knows the peice has a value, and could thereby raise funds to buy something new? And at the same time have the comfort of knowing that the piece is now being enjoyed by someone (rather than being shoved in a portfolio)?
All the above currently applies to me. I am not asking permission to sell - I will do if I decide I want to. I am just interested in the debate, as I can genuinly see both sides of the argument.
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by whl10 on Jan 16, 2011 0:48:15 GMT 1, better on a wall than in a portfolio in my opinion. would think different about the gift aspect (personally) if it was from a family member or close friend. just my two cents, which is probably only worth half a pence.
better on a wall than in a portfolio in my opinion. would think different about the gift aspect (personally) if it was from a family member or close friend. just my two cents, which is probably only worth half a pence.
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by Coach on Jan 16, 2011 0:51:58 GMT 1, better on a wall than in a portfolio in my opinion. would think different about the gift aspect (personally) if it was from a family member or close friend. just my two cents, which is probably only worth half a pence.
Sorry, should have made it clear - I meant a gift piece from the artist.
better on a wall than in a portfolio in my opinion. would think different about the gift aspect (personally) if it was from a family member or close friend. just my two cents, which is probably only worth half a pence. Sorry, should have made it clear - I meant a gift piece from the artist. |
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by Brushstrokes 75 on Jan 16, 2011 1:01:02 GMT 1, You can do whatever you want with it IMO.
I don't understand why it's other people business in the end. More especially if you had it displayed for a long time.
For example, if it's a famous artist, the guy knows that this gift has a real value. It's like writing a check.
More especially, if it's a freebie for receiving a damaged print or for any other reason involving a sale, it's even easier ethically speaking than receiving it as a pure gift (like for your birthday)
You can do whatever you want with it IMO.
I don't understand why it's other people business in the end. More especially if you had it displayed for a long time.
For example, if it's a famous artist, the guy knows that this gift has a real value. It's like writing a check.
More especially, if it's a freebie for receiving a damaged print or for any other reason involving a sale, it's even easier ethically speaking than receiving it as a pure gift (like for your birthday)
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by Sacked... on Jan 16, 2011 1:03:57 GMT 1, I hope Faile are reading this, brush !!
I hope Faile are reading this, brush !!
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by Brushstrokes 75 on Jan 16, 2011 1:57:47 GMT 1, To be clear to everyone, I don't/didn't get any gift from Faile or anyone for that matter lol. The only thing I got gifted by an artist (ever) is the DOC study I won in the raffle lol.
To be clear to everyone, I don't/didn't get any gift from Faile or anyone for that matter lol. The only thing I got gifted by an artist (ever) is the DOC study I won in the raffle lol. |
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by Michael Jacob on Jan 16, 2011 2:14:18 GMT 1, if you won it in a raffle, then its not really a gift. aside from that, whenever I gift one of my pieces, I make it clear that they can do whatever they want with it. Its a gift, not something you have to keep until you die. If you can sell it for money, or trade for something you want better, I say go for it.
if you won it in a raffle, then its not really a gift. aside from that, whenever I gift one of my pieces, I make it clear that they can do whatever they want with it. Its a gift, not something you have to keep until you die. If you can sell it for money, or trade for something you want better, I say go for it.
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by Brushstrokes 75 on Jan 16, 2011 2:19:53 GMT 1, I know the difference Jake lol. Just wanted to make it clear that it's the only thing I got for free though.
I know the difference Jake lol. Just wanted to make it clear that it's the only thing I got for free though.
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by stringer64 on Jan 16, 2011 3:07:12 GMT 1, I feel that art is to be seen and admired or criticised depending on a persons point of view. If a piece of art is going to be removed from a wall to allow another piece to fill its space, or if it is to remain in a portfolio for ever and a day and only shown on a few occasions, then it is better to sell. It does not matter whether it was a gift or not!
If a piece of art is or has been a gift, or if the artist is a friend or someone who has created the piece especially for you, then you would or should feel something special for this piece. That does not mean you will keep it forever. It may mean that you will keep it until you really need to move on. But no one should feel obliged to keep art that they no longer feel is part of their life.
Just an opinion.
I feel that art is to be seen and admired or criticised depending on a persons point of view. If a piece of art is going to be removed from a wall to allow another piece to fill its space, or if it is to remain in a portfolio for ever and a day and only shown on a few occasions, then it is better to sell. It does not matter whether it was a gift or not!
If a piece of art is or has been a gift, or if the artist is a friend or someone who has created the piece especially for you, then you would or should feel something special for this piece. That does not mean you will keep it forever. It may mean that you will keep it until you really need to move on. But no one should feel obliged to keep art that they no longer feel is part of their life.
Just an opinion.
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by joeschmo on Jan 16, 2011 3:27:26 GMT 1, I've seen many gift pieces sold over the years and spoke to a few artists about them as well, and to be honest I've never been told '' yeah its there's they can do with it what they like'', which is what most people seem to spout. I normally hear, '' it was a gift, how the fuck could you sell a gift, the greedy c**t''.
Yes its yours to do with what you like, but you're shitting on the person that gave it to you out of their kindness. I think this more if its also personalised to you.
I've seen many gift pieces sold over the years and spoke to a few artists about them as well, and to be honest I've never been told '' yeah its there's they can do with it what they like'', which is what most people seem to spout. I normally hear, '' it was a gift, how the fuck could you sell a gift, the greedy c**t''.
Yes its yours to do with what you like, but you're shitting on the person that gave it to you out of their kindness. I think this more if its also personalised to you.
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by Brushstrokes 75 on Jan 16, 2011 4:13:15 GMT 1, It also depends on the context of the gift and your relationship with the artist. The intraseque value of the piece also plays a role I guess. Not the same to be gifted an expensive painting and a book lol
Not sure for example that a guy like Damien Hirst gives a s***t about a gift being sold if you see what I mean.
It also depends on the context of the gift and your relationship with the artist. The intraseque value of the piece also plays a role I guess. Not the same to be gifted an expensive painting and a book lol
Not sure for example that a guy like Damien Hirst gives a s***t about a gift being sold if you see what I mean.
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by torino on Jan 16, 2011 6:39:02 GMT 1, You know, for me, the most heartbreaking part of the Jean-Michel Basquiat documentary, The Radiant Child, was when Al Diaz (who used to do the SAMOยฉ graffiti with Basquiat,) recounted when Basquiat, in very bad shape towards the end of his life and believe it or not, very lonely, showed up at his old friend's apartment shouting at his window offering a gift, a diptych on which he had painted "To SAMO from SAMO." And Al Diaz, although moved, painfully admitted that he sold the painting for the cash, while Jean-Michel was still alive.
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You know, for me, the most heartbreaking part of the Jean-Michel Basquiat documentary, The Radiant Child, was when Al Diaz (who used to do the SAMOยฉ graffiti with Basquiat,) recounted when Basquiat, in very bad shape towards the end of his life and believe it or not, very lonely, showed up at his old friend's apartment shouting at his window offering a gift, a diptych on which he had painted "To SAMO from SAMO." And Al Diaz, although moved, painfully admitted that he sold the painting for the cash, while Jean-Michel was still alive.
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by spencerlee on Jan 16, 2011 10:52:23 GMT 1, I am on good terms with an artist and he sent me a gift piece which as well as being stunning is a really nice gesture. I am just not letting it go, and I think he would be upset if so.
I am on good terms with an artist and he sent me a gift piece which as well as being stunning is a really nice gesture. I am just not letting it go, and I think he would be upset if so.
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 11:16:02 GMT 1, I've been gifted 2 pieces from different artists in different circumstances.
The first was gifted because I'd collaborated with the artist on numerous projects.
The second was gifted after I'd contacted another artist enquiring about purchasing a piece and because they liked my work they decided to gift me the piece.
I would not feel comfortable selling, trading either of the pieces, and I think both artists - especially the 1st - would not be pleased if I did.
I've been gifted 2 pieces from different artists in different circumstances.
The first was gifted because I'd collaborated with the artist on numerous projects.
The second was gifted after I'd contacted another artist enquiring about purchasing a piece and because they liked my work they decided to gift me the piece.
I would not feel comfortable selling, trading either of the pieces, and I think both artists - especially the 1st - would not be pleased if I did.
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by wizzy on Jan 16, 2011 11:53:50 GMT 1, Up to you Coach, flog it or keep it, i wouldnt flog it meself but i would buy one if i wanted it, that just me, thats it, deal with it.
Up to you Coach, flog it or keep it, i wouldnt flog it meself but i would buy one if i wanted it, that just me, thats it, deal with it.
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by formula400 on Jan 16, 2011 13:23:52 GMT 1, better to let some one who wants it have, that way some one will enjoy it.
better to let some one who wants it have, that way some one will enjoy it.
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by Daniel Silk on Jan 16, 2011 13:29:00 GMT 1, I guess some people might be in a position that they never really need to sell anything, but some aint that lucky  so might be forced into making hard decisions about selling pieces.
I guess some people might be in a position that they never really need to sell anything, but some aint that lucky so might be forced into making hard decisions about selling pieces. |
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by colinfishwick on Jan 16, 2011 14:13:40 GMT 1, hey Coach,
i think every situation is different, if you were gifted something for very personal reasons or by someone you are very close to then that's a tough one, if it was gifted by way of an apology or as payment in kind for favours granted by yourself then i'd say it's fair game.
as a buyer i'd be reluctant to buy a gift as it has a personal attachment, just not for me. if there was an interesting story, say an artist escaped arrest say by bribing someone with an artwork i'd think that's a great story but if it was given say as a wedding present to a close friend etc etc then i'd not go near it.
it's not black and white, both in terms of buying or selling - ultimately it's a personal thing and there is no right or wrong answer, just a million differing opinions....
hey Coach,
i think every situation is different, if you were gifted something for very personal reasons or by someone you are very close to then that's a tough one, if it was gifted by way of an apology or as payment in kind for favours granted by yourself then i'd say it's fair game.
as a buyer i'd be reluctant to buy a gift as it has a personal attachment, just not for me. if there was an interesting story, say an artist escaped arrest say by bribing someone with an artwork i'd think that's a great story but if it was given say as a wedding present to a close friend etc etc then i'd not go near it.
it's not black and white, both in terms of buying or selling - ultimately it's a personal thing and there is no right or wrong answer, just a million differing opinions....
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by joeschmo on Jan 16, 2011 15:00:09 GMT 1, I guess some people might be in a position that they never really need to sell anything, but some aint that lucky so might be forced into making hard decisions about selling pieces.
Yes but I'm sure people have plenty of non-gited pieces in their collection that they could easily sell as well much of the time.
I guess some people might be in a position that they never really need to sell anything, but some aint that lucky so might be forced into making hard decisions about selling pieces. Yes but I'm sure people have plenty of non-gited pieces in their collection that they could easily sell as well much of the time. |
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by Coach on Jan 16, 2011 15:41:50 GMT 1, Thanks for all the contributions, its created a debate, which is what I was hoping for.
Having thought about it further, I think I agree with Colin and Brushstrokes.
I think it depends on the relationship with the artist and the circumstannces of the gift.
If I was given something by an artist that I know, I wouldnt sell it.
However, if I am given something extra when making a purchase, by way of an apology (eg for late delivery), and the artist is someone I have never met, do not know, then I see that as more of a freebie than a gift, and so think its fair game to sell on, once I am no longer enjoying displaying it. One is a personal gift, the other is a freebie. Both very different imo.
Thanks for all the contributions, its created a debate, which is what I was hoping for.
Having thought about it further, I think I agree with Colin and Brushstrokes.
I think it depends on the relationship with the artist and the circumstannces of the gift.
If I was given something by an artist that I know, I wouldnt sell it.
However, if I am given something extra when making a purchase, by way of an apology (eg for late delivery), and the artist is someone I have never met, do not know, then I see that as more of a freebie than a gift, and so think its fair game to sell on, once I am no longer enjoying displaying it. One is a personal gift, the other is a freebie. Both very different imo.
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by quicksnap on Jan 17, 2011 7:42:16 GMT 1, i have a couple pieces that were gifts from artists. personally, i would never sell any of them. it's just a personal thing. i'm not saying it would be wrong to, i would just prefer to keep them all and sell other things if i comes to it.
but, i do have to say that if i was just given a freebie for something taking too long, or whatever, i might sell it if it came to that. it wouldn't have the same meaning to me.
i have a couple pieces that were gifts from artists. personally, i would never sell any of them. it's just a personal thing. i'm not saying it would be wrong to, i would just prefer to keep them all and sell other things if i comes to it.
but, i do have to say that if i was just given a freebie for something taking too long, or whatever, i might sell it if it came to that. it wouldn't have the same meaning to me.
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Selling a gift piece ok?, by seventy8woodside on Jan 17, 2011 9:19:41 GMT 1, same story as the trainer FLOM by futura ( for love or money ) will you sell it for money or keep ot for love. But i think in your case a gift as an apology cant applies to that.
same story as the trainer FLOM by futura ( for love or money ) will you sell it for money or keep ot for love. But i think in your case a gift as an apology cant applies to that. |
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so might be forced into making hard decisions about selling pieces. 
