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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by tomjedimaster on May 25, 2010 5:14:42 GMT 1, very cool, thanks for the post
very cool, thanks for the post
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by snausages on May 26, 2010 4:17:26 GMT 1, Good read, although a little cliche view of the 'ny' art scene. I've liked most of these guys for awhile but no urge to buy yet. Walker is already been priced out of my league with the recent auction results. Didn't really like the recent Einarsson show. Nate Lowman, I get some of his stuff but some of it is really weak imo, question his longevity. But fyi, he is in a 2 person show in NYC right now if you're in Chelsea and into it.
Also in Chelsea is london artist Richard Hughes, www.antonkerngallery.com An unusual intersection of high art/formalism and urban, street influences. Echoes of Gordon Matta Clark in the big floor piece, gritty, street inspired but really minimal and formal in presentation Some older works: antonkerngallery.com/artist.php?aid=45
Good read, although a little cliche view of the 'ny' art scene. I've liked most of these guys for awhile but no urge to buy yet. Walker is already been priced out of my league with the recent auction results. Didn't really like the recent Einarsson show. Nate Lowman, I get some of his stuff but some of it is really weak imo, question his longevity. But fyi, he is in a 2 person show in NYC right now if you're in Chelsea and into it. Also in Chelsea is london artist Richard Hughes, www.antonkerngallery.com An unusual intersection of high art/formalism and urban, street influences. Echoes of Gordon Matta Clark in the big floor piece, gritty, street inspired but really minimal and formal in presentation Some older works: antonkerngallery.com/artist.php?aid=45
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by jamesreeve5 on May 26, 2010 6:42:02 GMT 1, hmmm... agree with Snausages on the content, but on the other hand, thank you very much for posting that article between the stacks of advertisements for print releases that others post on here. It was a nice change of scenery.
I also enjoyed the one about the hottest galleries:
www.details.com/style-advice/tech-and-design/201003/coolest-art-galleries-america
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by Francis on May 26, 2010 19:51:32 GMT 1, ALL those artists are already established and can hardly be labeled as "emerging". Walker is 40 years old and fetches six figures for his work for god's sake
ALL those artists are already established and can hardly be labeled as "emerging". Walker is 40 years old and fetches six figures for his work for god's sake
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by mutant on May 26, 2010 20:30:44 GMT 1, If this dude's list is half as successful as Karen Rosenberg's back in 2005, he should call himself lucky.
nymag.com/nymetro/arts/art/11264/
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by jamesreeve5 on May 26, 2010 20:55:53 GMT 1,
Interesting list... and I think this shows that an artist's rise to fame is better catapulted when the world is on the verge of an economic boom.
It will be interesting to see how this worldwide recession affects the narrative of art history. I think that in the long run, a number of very good artists will toil in obscurity as victims of simple timing.
Interesting list... and I think this shows that an artist's rise to fame is better catapulted when the world is on the verge of an economic boom. It will be interesting to see how this worldwide recession affects the narrative of art history. I think that in the long run, a number of very good artists will toil in obscurity as victims of simple timing.
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by Francis on May 26, 2010 21:50:49 GMT 1, Interesting list... and I think this shows that an artist's rise to fame is better catapulted when the world is on the verge of an economic boom. It will be interesting to see how this worldwide recession affects the narrative of art history. I think that in the long run, a number of very good artists will toil in obscurity as victims of simple timing.
That's not true. Cases in point: Ed Ruscha and Richard Prince
Interesting list... and I think this shows that an artist's rise to fame is better catapulted when the world is on the verge of an economic boom. It will be interesting to see how this worldwide recession affects the narrative of art history. I think that in the long run, a number of very good artists will toil in obscurity as victims of simple timing. That's not true. Cases in point: Ed Ruscha and Richard Prince
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by snausages on May 26, 2010 22:24:32 GMT 1, That's a pretty good list but like the article jamessmith posted most of the artists listed already were somewhat established.
You could have bought Dana Schutz or de Balincourt back in 2002/03 for super cheap, but by the time they got into Greater NY in 05 the competition to buy became really stiff. For some, it's less that these shows suggested the next gen of artists than confirmed their ascension.
Interesting to see Matthew Day Jackson on the list, good pick. Solid work, sold for somewhat affordable prices up until last year, a work of his that was estimated at about 50-100k got bid to one million dollars at christies. Major leagues now.
But yeah, you might want to go check out the current Greater NY show at PS1, just opened up last week. I don't know all the artists in it, but I do know some of the artists are already preened to be the next big thing. Good luck.
That's a pretty good list but like the article jamessmith posted most of the artists listed already were somewhat established. You could have bought Dana Schutz or de Balincourt back in 2002/03 for super cheap, but by the time they got into Greater NY in 05 the competition to buy became really stiff. For some, it's less that these shows suggested the next gen of artists than confirmed their ascension. Interesting to see Matthew Day Jackson on the list, good pick. Solid work, sold for somewhat affordable prices up until last year, a work of his that was estimated at about 50-100k got bid to one million dollars at christies. Major leagues now. But yeah, you might want to go check out the current Greater NY show at PS1, just opened up last week. I don't know all the artists in it, but I do know some of the artists are already preened to be the next big thing. Good luck.
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by jamesreeve5 on May 26, 2010 23:33:41 GMT 1, Interesting list... and I think this shows that an artist's rise to fame is better catapulted when the world is on the verge of an economic boom. It will be interesting to see how this worldwide recession affects the narrative of art history. I think that in the long run, a number of very good artists will toil in obscurity as victims of simple timing. That's not true. Cases in point: Ed Ruscha and Richard Prince
Hmm... not too sure about your counter examples there... Los Angeles in the 60s and New York City in the late 80s are pretty good examples of booming economies.
Interesting list... and I think this shows that an artist's rise to fame is better catapulted when the world is on the verge of an economic boom. It will be interesting to see how this worldwide recession affects the narrative of art history. I think that in the long run, a number of very good artists will toil in obscurity as victims of simple timing. That's not true. Cases in point: Ed Ruscha and Richard Prince Hmm... not too sure about your counter examples there... Los Angeles in the 60s and New York City in the late 80s are pretty good examples of booming economies.
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by Francis on May 27, 2010 3:36:21 GMT 1, That's not true. Cases in point: Ed Ruscha and Richard Prince Hmm... not too sure about your counter examples there... Los Angeles in the 60s and New York City in the late 80s are pretty good examples of booming economies.
i'm not referring to when they started, but when they broke out into the elite
That's not true. Cases in point: Ed Ruscha and Richard Prince Hmm... not too sure about your counter examples there... Los Angeles in the 60s and New York City in the late 80s are pretty good examples of booming economies. i'm not referring to when they started, but when they broke out into the elite
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by Gentle Mental on May 27, 2010 4:36:35 GMT 1, Nothing but decorators for homes of the rich - that's what you become when you hit big time.
it's the inevitable cancer.
Nothing but decorators for homes of the rich - that's what you become when you hit big time.
it's the inevitable cancer.
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by James Smith 77 on May 27, 2010 15:48:38 GMT 1, That's a pretty good list but like the article jamessmith posted most of the artists listed already were somewhat established. You could have bought Dana Schutz or de Balincourt back in 2002/03 for super cheap, but by the time they got into Greater NY in 05 the competition to buy became really stiff. For some, it's less that these shows suggested the next gen of artists than confirmed their ascension. Interesting to see Matthew Day Jackson on the list, good pick. Solid work, sold for somewhat affordable prices up until last year, a work of his that was estimated at about 50-100k got bid to one million dollars at christies. Major leagues now. But yeah, you might want to go check out the current Greater NY show at PS1, just opened up last week. I don't know all the artists in it, but I do know some of the artists are already preened to be the next big thing. Good luck.
I just bought a piece by Tala Maladani, who is showing in the current "Greater NY" show.
That's a pretty good list but like the article jamessmith posted most of the artists listed already were somewhat established. You could have bought Dana Schutz or de Balincourt back in 2002/03 for super cheap, but by the time they got into Greater NY in 05 the competition to buy became really stiff. For some, it's less that these shows suggested the next gen of artists than confirmed their ascension. Interesting to see Matthew Day Jackson on the list, good pick. Solid work, sold for somewhat affordable prices up until last year, a work of his that was estimated at about 50-100k got bid to one million dollars at christies. Major leagues now. But yeah, you might want to go check out the current Greater NY show at PS1, just opened up last week. I don't know all the artists in it, but I do know some of the artists are already preened to be the next big thing. Good luck. I just bought a piece by Tala Maladani, who is showing in the current "Greater NY" show.
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by James Smith 77 on May 27, 2010 15:49:32 GMT 1, Anyone into Middle Eastern artists here?
Anyone into Middle Eastern artists here?
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by lee3 on May 27, 2010 17:30:25 GMT 1, >>>That's not true. Cases in point: Ed Ruscha and Richard Prince <<<
>>>i'm not referring to when they started, but when they broke out into the elite <<<
With respect to Ruscha, I believe you have argued in favor of James' point (timing is a HUGE part of success) which I happen to agree with. Imho Ed Ruscha is on the shortest of short lists and still badly in need of time to shake things out. Similarly, I wonder whether time will be a friend to Prince. Ruscha will be remembered for opening the door of text into compositions and influencing countless others including Prince. I believe Ruscha will be priced like Warhol and Lichtenstein after his death. He's changed the way many of us look at the world and I believe over time the prices of his works will continue to push into the stratosphere. I can not say the same of Prince. I don't believe a Ruscha has sold for more than $5 million and one can still pick up gorgeous works at primary for under $500k (not that I use those staggering sums lightly but they don't compare to Warhol and Johns but I believe they very well might one day). So, in a way, I think one could argue that Ruscha has been a *relative* victim of timing given the overall strength of his body of work.
Edit: It's worth noting that Warhol was gone by the time of the '90-93 art correction. During the same period Ruscha's pricing suffered tremendously. It's too bad I wasn't into buying art back then nor had any means or maybe I'd have a gunpowder drawing myself (they were a cool $5-10k at the nadir with the iconic ones going for $25k). Heck one can still pick up some of the lesser gunpowder drawings at a discount to what many works in this genre command. That doesn't seem right.
>>>That's not true. Cases in point: Ed Ruscha and Richard Prince <<<
>>>i'm not referring to when they started, but when they broke out into the elite <<<
With respect to Ruscha, I believe you have argued in favor of James' point (timing is a HUGE part of success) which I happen to agree with. Imho Ed Ruscha is on the shortest of short lists and still badly in need of time to shake things out. Similarly, I wonder whether time will be a friend to Prince. Ruscha will be remembered for opening the door of text into compositions and influencing countless others including Prince. I believe Ruscha will be priced like Warhol and Lichtenstein after his death. He's changed the way many of us look at the world and I believe over time the prices of his works will continue to push into the stratosphere. I can not say the same of Prince. I don't believe a Ruscha has sold for more than $5 million and one can still pick up gorgeous works at primary for under $500k (not that I use those staggering sums lightly but they don't compare to Warhol and Johns but I believe they very well might one day). So, in a way, I think one could argue that Ruscha has been a *relative* victim of timing given the overall strength of his body of work.
Edit: It's worth noting that Warhol was gone by the time of the '90-93 art correction. During the same period Ruscha's pricing suffered tremendously. It's too bad I wasn't into buying art back then nor had any means or maybe I'd have a gunpowder drawing myself (they were a cool $5-10k at the nadir with the iconic ones going for $25k). Heck one can still pick up some of the lesser gunpowder drawings at a discount to what many works in this genre command. That doesn't seem right.
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by snausages on May 27, 2010 18:40:03 GMT 1, Mostly agree with your sentiment on Ruscha and yes, if I hit the lottery, one of the first things I would do (art related anyway) would be get a Ruscha. They are still relatively affordable for his stature.
And I'd agree with your sentiment on Prince's market, overheated, but it's held up surprisingly well. And I think his work is phenomenal from his smaller book art works up to his canvases. Well I wasn't blown away by the Tiffany Paintings. But he is an icon and originator of this "bad boy" new york art scene, and many of those up & coming artists listed in that Details article owe a lot to him.
Mostly agree with your sentiment on Ruscha and yes, if I hit the lottery, one of the first things I would do (art related anyway) would be get a Ruscha. They are still relatively affordable for his stature.
And I'd agree with your sentiment on Prince's market, overheated, but it's held up surprisingly well. And I think his work is phenomenal from his smaller book art works up to his canvases. Well I wasn't blown away by the Tiffany Paintings. But he is an icon and originator of this "bad boy" new york art scene, and many of those up & coming artists listed in that Details article owe a lot to him.
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by lee3 on May 27, 2010 22:31:54 GMT 1, >>>And I think his work is phenomenal <<<
I certainly didn't mean to suggest Prince wasn't phenominal. I actually tend to prefer his written bad jokes (with an obvious heavy tip of the hat to Ruscha) on monochrome to many of the nurse paintings. However, how in the world he has sold 50+ of those nurse paintings now valued each for more than any Ruscha has ever commanded is beyond me. I believe time will even out that discrepancy but I've been wrong more times than I can count. I should add there are a few nurse paintings that have stopped me dead in my tracks but to go from 50k to $8 million (in 6 or 7 years as opposed to Ruscha's entire 50 career) and regularly north of $5MM doesn't make much sense to me.
>>>And I think his work is phenomenal <<<
I certainly didn't mean to suggest Prince wasn't phenominal. I actually tend to prefer his written bad jokes (with an obvious heavy tip of the hat to Ruscha) on monochrome to many of the nurse paintings. However, how in the world he has sold 50+ of those nurse paintings now valued each for more than any Ruscha has ever commanded is beyond me. I believe time will even out that discrepancy but I've been wrong more times than I can count. I should add there are a few nurse paintings that have stopped me dead in my tracks but to go from 50k to $8 million (in 6 or 7 years as opposed to Ruscha's entire 50 career) and regularly north of $5MM doesn't make much sense to me.
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by jamesreeve5 on May 28, 2010 21:06:59 GMT 1, Thanks for taking the time to write out that explanation Lee, I don't have the patience these days.
Here is the list of participating artists in the New Greater New York show:
press.moma.org/images/press/ps1_gny/GNY_ArtistList.pdf
**I'll give myself a pat on the back for seeing Leigh LeDare listed on there**
Thanks for taking the time to write out that explanation Lee, I don't have the patience these days. Here is the list of participating artists in the New Greater New York show: press.moma.org/images/press/ps1_gny/GNY_ArtistList.pdf**I'll give myself a pat on the back for seeing Leigh LeDare listed on there**
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by snausages on May 29, 2010 22:52:51 GMT 1, Yeah, good pick, you perv.
Good year for David Adamo, Tauba Auerbach and the Bruce HQ Foundation, in both the Whiney Biennial and Greater NY.
William Cordova is also in that street art museum exhibition in San Diego.
Deitch was "working with" Caleb Considine. I'm sure he'll get picked up by some gallery now. I like his work, but scoffed as Deitch were pricing him 1-2 years ago (when he was a brand new mfa grad) as if he already had several museum exhibitions under his belt. Someone pulling the strings here?
Liking Tala Madani too, james smith's pick.
Liz Magic Laser, is that for real? Can she go away? Or at least change her name? Again?
A lot of those artists I'm unfamiliar with though, will check the show out soon I hope.
Yeah, good pick, you perv.
Good year for David Adamo, Tauba Auerbach and the Bruce HQ Foundation, in both the Whiney Biennial and Greater NY.
William Cordova is also in that street art museum exhibition in San Diego.
Deitch was "working with" Caleb Considine. I'm sure he'll get picked up by some gallery now. I like his work, but scoffed as Deitch were pricing him 1-2 years ago (when he was a brand new mfa grad) as if he already had several museum exhibitions under his belt. Someone pulling the strings here?
Liking Tala Madani too, james smith's pick.
Liz Magic Laser, is that for real? Can she go away? Or at least change her name? Again?
A lot of those artists I'm unfamiliar with though, will check the show out soon I hope.
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by geoffreyrickly on May 30, 2010 6:08:52 GMT 1, Ok, so this is probably going to get me torched BUT... Have any of you guys seen DICKCHICKEN? He tags EVERYTHING in NYC with a purple half p***s/half chicken. He is literally inescapable. No one knows who he is but he's on a bunch of most wanted lists because of how much shit he tags. I'm not sure how great an artist he is but it reminds me of when Neckface wad "emerging on the scene"(hahaha)---he'd practically tag the inside of your eyelids if you fell asleep on the subway.
Ok, so this is probably going to get me torched BUT... Have any of you guys seen DICKCHICKEN? He tags EVERYTHING in NYC with a purple half p***s/half chicken. He is literally inescapable. No one knows who he is but he's on a bunch of most wanted lists because of how much shit he tags. I'm not sure how great an artist he is but it reminds me of when Neckface wad "emerging on the scene"(hahaha)---he'd practically tag the inside of your eyelids if you fell asleep on the subway.
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by pezlow on May 30, 2010 6:29:32 GMT 1, Richard prince is an artist I really don't get. The jokes are ok, but I don't see them as groundbreaking at all and the nurse paintings do absolutely nothing for me at all. I guess he is an artist for the twitter generation as you look at his work, laugh at the joke and move on. But for me there is very little substance to it.
I can't for the life of me understand the art market at it's highest end. I would say Ruscha is worth 10 Richard Princes. But there isn't much point trying to equate artistic merit with pricing because once you get to a certain level it no longer becomes about the work but the "brand" instead.
Richard prince is an artist I really don't get. The jokes are ok, but I don't see them as groundbreaking at all and the nurse paintings do absolutely nothing for me at all. I guess he is an artist for the twitter generation as you look at his work, laugh at the joke and move on. But for me there is very little substance to it.
I can't for the life of me understand the art market at it's highest end. I would say Ruscha is worth 10 Richard Princes. But there isn't much point trying to equate artistic merit with pricing because once you get to a certain level it no longer becomes about the work but the "brand" instead.
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by jamesreeve5 on May 30, 2010 17:08:54 GMT 1, I guess he is an artist for the twitter generation as you look at his work, laugh at the joke and move on. But for me there is very little substance to it.
You are talking about Banksy here right?
Richard Prince will be around a while folks, get used to it. He is a huge influence on the entire young New York scene (Nate Lowman, Dan Colen, Dash Snow). And he took Warhol and Rauschenberg's use of appropriation to the next logical step, whereas koons seems to follow an Oldenberg/Johns approach, and Hirst seems to follow Richter.
I guess he is an artist for the twitter generation as you look at his work, laugh at the joke and move on. But for me there is very little substance to it. You are talking about Banksy here right? Richard Prince will be around a while folks, get used to it. He is a huge influence on the entire young New York scene (Nate Lowman, Dan Colen, Dash Snow). And he took Warhol and Rauschenberg's use of appropriation to the next logical step, whereas koons seems to follow an Oldenberg/Johns approach, and Hirst seems to follow Richter.
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by stillborncrisps on May 30, 2010 18:00:50 GMT 1, Ok, so this is probably going to get me torched BUT... Have any of you guys seen DICKCHICKEN? He tags EVERYTHING in NYC with a purple half p***s/half chicken. He is literally inescapable. No one knows who he is but he's on a bunch of most wanted lists because of how much s**t he tags. I'm not sure how great an artist he is but it reminds me of when Neckface wad "emerging on the scene"(hahaha)---he'd practically tag the inside of your eyelids if you fell asleep on the subway.
Why is the word 'p***s' blanked out??
And yes, I have seen such work. Quite an amusing doodle.
Ok, so this is probably going to get me torched BUT... Have any of you guys seen DICKCHICKEN? He tags EVERYTHING in NYC with a purple half p***s/half chicken. He is literally inescapable. No one knows who he is but he's on a bunch of most wanted lists because of how much s**t he tags. I'm not sure how great an artist he is but it reminds me of when Neckface wad "emerging on the scene"(hahaha)---he'd practically tag the inside of your eyelids if you fell asleep on the subway. Why is the word 'p***s' blanked out?? And yes, I have seen such work. Quite an amusing doodle.
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by nah on May 30, 2010 19:29:14 GMT 1, ahahahahhaha that rules
ahahahahhaha that rules
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by Harveyn on May 31, 2010 9:37:10 GMT 1, Great thread guys. I have really enjoyed reading this and the links. Its made me realize what an insular view I have on art sometimes. Note to self: Broaden your horizons!!!
Great thread guys. I have really enjoyed reading this and the links. Its made me realize what an insular view I have on art sometimes. Note to self: Broaden your horizons!!!
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by pezlow on May 31, 2010 10:45:54 GMT 1, I guess he is an artist for the twitter generation as you look at his work, laugh at the joke and move on. But for me there is very little substance to it. You are talking about Banksy here right? Richard Prince will be around a while folks, get used to it. He is a huge influence on the entire young New York scene (Nate Lowman, Dan Colen, Dash Snow). And he took Warhol and Rauschenberg's use of appropriation to the next logical step, whereas koons seems to follow an Oldenberg/Johns approach, and Hirst seems to follow Richter.
I suppose you could say that about some of Banksy's work yes, but it is equally appropriate for much, not quite all, of Prince's work.
I don't dispute that Richard prince is a big name, I don't dispute that he will be around. But I'm still entitled not to think much of his work. The use of appropriation, yeah sure, but I struggle to accept on a personal level that this is much of commendation.
As I say once you get to the top of the art world it doesn't really become about the work, sadly. All the talk around Prince focuses on his prices.
I struggle with a few of the artists you mention, maybe I'm too parochial or European but a number of them just don't do it for me.
I guess he is an artist for the twitter generation as you look at his work, laugh at the joke and move on. But for me there is very little substance to it. You are talking about Banksy here right? Richard Prince will be around a while folks, get used to it. He is a huge influence on the entire young New York scene (Nate Lowman, Dan Colen, Dash Snow). And he took Warhol and Rauschenberg's use of appropriation to the next logical step, whereas koons seems to follow an Oldenberg/Johns approach, and Hirst seems to follow Richter. I suppose you could say that about some of Banksy's work yes, but it is equally appropriate for much, not quite all, of Prince's work. I don't dispute that Richard prince is a big name, I don't dispute that he will be around. But I'm still entitled not to think much of his work. The use of appropriation, yeah sure, but I struggle to accept on a personal level that this is much of commendation. As I say once you get to the top of the art world it doesn't really become about the work, sadly. All the talk around Prince focuses on his prices. I struggle with a few of the artists you mention, maybe I'm too parochial or European but a number of them just don't do it for me.
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by jamesreeve5 on May 31, 2010 18:39:40 GMT 1, Yea, you are entitled to your opinions about the work Pezlow, ad admittedly, sometimes its harder to go against the grain with regards to taste. You are much more noble than someone who says they love Prince's work, but in reality know nothing about it. But I think it's funny how the general criticisms towards Richard Prince can easily be directed at Banksy, and while the general audience loathes Prince for it, they construe these same qualities about Banksy into a more favorable light...
Prince: -hyped by hedgefund managers -funny jokes but little substance -an artist for the twitter generation -more of a brand than an artist
Banksy: -my collection is increasing in value and my tastes have become validated -the humor in his art is so original -I like that I can buy prints online without having to deal with the pomp and hierarchy of the gallery world -my appreciation of Banksy makes me feel like I belong to a community of like-minded others
If I had a million dollars in my pocket that could only be spent on art, I'd probably buy a Ruscha over a Prince as well (even over a Warhol), but I wouldn't base it on some silly idea of comparative artistic merit. I would base it on the importance of the piece within the artist's entire body of work. I don't have the audacity to think I can aesthetically rank artists of this level in any realistically objective way, so consequently I would base my choice on my subjective opinion alone. Therefore, an Ed Ruscha is worth an Ed Ruscha, and 10 Richard Princes are worth 10 Richard Princes to me.
Yea, you are entitled to your opinions about the work Pezlow, ad admittedly, sometimes its harder to go against the grain with regards to taste. You are much more noble than someone who says they love Prince's work, but in reality know nothing about it. But I think it's funny how the general criticisms towards Richard Prince can easily be directed at Banksy, and while the general audience loathes Prince for it, they construe these same qualities about Banksy into a more favorable light...
Prince: -hyped by hedgefund managers -funny jokes but little substance -an artist for the twitter generation -more of a brand than an artist
Banksy: -my collection is increasing in value and my tastes have become validated -the humor in his art is so original -I like that I can buy prints online without having to deal with the pomp and hierarchy of the gallery world -my appreciation of Banksy makes me feel like I belong to a community of like-minded others
If I had a million dollars in my pocket that could only be spent on art, I'd probably buy a Ruscha over a Prince as well (even over a Warhol), but I wouldn't base it on some silly idea of comparative artistic merit. I would base it on the importance of the piece within the artist's entire body of work. I don't have the audacity to think I can aesthetically rank artists of this level in any realistically objective way, so consequently I would base my choice on my subjective opinion alone. Therefore, an Ed Ruscha is worth an Ed Ruscha, and 10 Richard Princes are worth 10 Richard Princes to me.
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Francis
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seven-emerging-artists-new-york-art-scene, by Francis on May 31, 2010 19:11:30 GMT 1, You are talking about Banksy here right? Richard Prince will be around a while folks, get used to it. He is a huge influence on the entire young New York scene (Nate Lowman, Dan Colen, Dash Snow). And he took Warhol and Rauschenberg's use of appropriation to the next logical step, whereas koons seems to follow an Oldenberg/Johns approach, and Hirst seems to follow Richter. I suppose you could say that about some of Banksy's work yes, but it is equally appropriate for much, not quite all, of Prince's work. I don't dispute that Richard prince is a big name, I don't dispute that he will be around. But I'm still entitled not to think much of his work. The use of appropriation, yeah sure, but I struggle to accept on a personal level that this is much of commendation. As I say once you get to the top of the art world it doesn't really become about the work, sadly. All the talk around Prince focuses on his prices. I struggle with a few of the artists you mention, maybe I'm too parochial or European but a number of them just don't do it for me.
no mention of his photographs? why do you choose to ignore the marlboro man and brooke shields and girlfriends, etc.?
me thinks your biggest problem is that you have no appreciation of conceptual art vs. easily understandable, get it in a second type illustrations.
and seriously, a huge reason banksy is where he is is because of the internet. an artist like prince would be who he is and has gotten where he is with or without the internet.
You are talking about Banksy here right? Richard Prince will be around a while folks, get used to it. He is a huge influence on the entire young New York scene (Nate Lowman, Dan Colen, Dash Snow). And he took Warhol and Rauschenberg's use of appropriation to the next logical step, whereas koons seems to follow an Oldenberg/Johns approach, and Hirst seems to follow Richter. I suppose you could say that about some of Banksy's work yes, but it is equally appropriate for much, not quite all, of Prince's work. I don't dispute that Richard prince is a big name, I don't dispute that he will be around. But I'm still entitled not to think much of his work. The use of appropriation, yeah sure, but I struggle to accept on a personal level that this is much of commendation. As I say once you get to the top of the art world it doesn't really become about the work, sadly. All the talk around Prince focuses on his prices. I struggle with a few of the artists you mention, maybe I'm too parochial or European but a number of them just don't do it for me. no mention of his photographs? why do you choose to ignore the marlboro man and brooke shields and girlfriends, etc.? me thinks your biggest problem is that you have no appreciation of conceptual art vs. easily understandable, get it in a second type illustrations. and seriously, a huge reason banksy is where he is is because of the internet. an artist like prince would be who he is and has gotten where he is with or without the internet.
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