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New RATA print release., by nah on Mar 29, 2010 17:01:33 GMT 1, for what its worth im not offended (or even remotely intrigued) by the image or your reasons for making it, moreso the fact you think you can pop up out of nowhere and sell this shit to us. one mr brainwash is bad enough thanks
for what its worth im not offended (or even remotely intrigued) by the image or your reasons for making it, moreso the fact you think you can pop up out of nowhere and sell this shit to us. one mr brainwash is bad enough thanks
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New RATA print release., by Daniel Silk on Mar 29, 2010 17:06:07 GMT 1, Lets keep the bad language down a bit please
Lets keep the bad language down a bit please
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nah
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New RATA print release., by nah on Mar 29, 2010 17:12:57 GMT 1, isnt that the filters job
isnt that the filters job
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spirit
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New RATA print release., by spirit on Mar 29, 2010 17:18:24 GMT 1, rjs, thank you very much for being the only one who is at leat trying to put it into context. also, bjmt "Disgusting, disrespectful, distasteful, diabolical. " hahaha. thank you very much, i actually quite like that. as for the others: hahah. thank you so much for repeatingly proving my point. i give ya a hint. the point is hypocrisy. actually it is pretty amusing to see the self proclaimed intellectual, artistic and moral elite and saviours of the world sit back in the cozy comfort of pretending to care while not being able to spill out a conclusive criticism. you have reached a level where you look at every single piece of art from the very same angle, most likely because 90% of street artists use exactly the same angle to look at. i knew that it would some be easy to trick you into this behaviour or even worse watch how you trick yourself into this behaviour. the convenient self-induced illusion of revolt through copypasting links from a 1st world home comfort without understanding the lack of impact by doing so. also grabbing my words and put them out of context by intentionally reversing my claim that talk without action has no meaning into a claim of myself doing something big is pretty cheap. interesting to see that the ones criticising the system actually manage to copy the the same rethorical methods for their own use. turning a question into a claim and therefore making it open for mockery? yawn. 9th grade debate team level. it is funny that you ask me if i am the one cashing in on others peoples sufferings. maybe that makes it a bit easier for you: look at the artwork again and think: "cashing in on others peoples sufferings" do you still not even have the slightest idea what it is that i am trying to say? not even the slightest efford to step out of the viewpoint that got indoctrined by looking at the same stuff over and over again, agreeing with the same people about the same stuff? really? and the supporting "hot sauce" print does not give anybody a hint about the direction the criticism is aimed at? i am not interested in raising interest in the original story about the monk. it has been done already and is therfore of no interest to me and even further would be enough for me to justify an artwork. i don't settle for that. it is not THAT easy!!!! if you want to scratch on the surface by tricking people into reading about an event that has "shocked the world" (buhuu) and consider that "change" then ok, but to me that's pretty close to doing and saying nothing. the anger, open hostility and childlike rants in this post give a pretty interesting insight. how dare i to shake your rusted mindsets by showing you a different picture after you have been looking at the same one for ages now and then even dare to tell you it is not the same, since you grew so comfortable looking at the old one? seing all this made it already very well worth creating this print. well, the low amount of people actually trying to understand the message before falling into stereotypical, yeah almost fascist bashing of anything unknown, while acting like saints, of course is worrying, but that's how the media-damaged mind works nowadays. as proven here for the majority it is not about the actual impact rather than finding a premade mindset that they can agree on, no matter if it is a religion, a sports, movies or pretending to safe the world. then swallow it, find some pals to connect and then seal up the mind. at the end of the day that's not an archievement and to most people that leaves forever the fear of someone taking away that illusion. looking foward to expand this experience.
So many words to say so little...
Is it any surprise that people are reluctant to invest any time in trying to understand what you are doing when you combine such a blatant inability to communicate with your mis-placed self-importance?
And you seem to have as much difficulty communicating visually as you do verbally...
Do you really think that what the masses need to awaken there "rusted mindsets" is another KFC print?
Get over yourself...
rjs, thank you very much for being the only one who is at leat trying to put it into context. also, bjmt "Disgusting, disrespectful, distasteful, diabolical. " hahaha. thank you very much, i actually quite like that. as for the others: hahah. thank you so much for repeatingly proving my point. i give ya a hint. the point is hypocrisy. actually it is pretty amusing to see the self proclaimed intellectual, artistic and moral elite and saviours of the world sit back in the cozy comfort of pretending to care while not being able to spill out a conclusive criticism. you have reached a level where you look at every single piece of art from the very same angle, most likely because 90% of street artists use exactly the same angle to look at. i knew that it would some be easy to trick you into this behaviour or even worse watch how you trick yourself into this behaviour. the convenient self-induced illusion of revolt through copypasting links from a 1st world home comfort without understanding the lack of impact by doing so. also grabbing my words and put them out of context by intentionally reversing my claim that talk without action has no meaning into a claim of myself doing something big is pretty cheap. interesting to see that the ones criticising the system actually manage to copy the the same rethorical methods for their own use. turning a question into a claim and therefore making it open for mockery? yawn. 9th grade debate team level. it is funny that you ask me if i am the one cashing in on others peoples sufferings. maybe that makes it a bit easier for you: look at the artwork again and think: "cashing in on others peoples sufferings" do you still not even have the slightest idea what it is that i am trying to say? not even the slightest efford to step out of the viewpoint that got indoctrined by looking at the same stuff over and over again, agreeing with the same people about the same stuff? really? and the supporting "hot sauce" print does not give anybody a hint about the direction the criticism is aimed at? i am not interested in raising interest in the original story about the monk. it has been done already and is therfore of no interest to me and even further would be enough for me to justify an artwork. i don't settle for that. it is not THAT easy!!!! if you want to scratch on the surface by tricking people into reading about an event that has "shocked the world" (buhuu) and consider that "change" then ok, but to me that's pretty close to doing and saying nothing. the anger, open hostility and childlike rants in this post give a pretty interesting insight. how dare i to shake your rusted mindsets by showing you a different picture after you have been looking at the same one for ages now and then even dare to tell you it is not the same, since you grew so comfortable looking at the old one? seing all this made it already very well worth creating this print. well, the low amount of people actually trying to understand the message before falling into stereotypical, yeah almost fascist bashing of anything unknown, while acting like saints, of course is worrying, but that's how the media-damaged mind works nowadays. as proven here for the majority it is not about the actual impact rather than finding a premade mindset that they can agree on, no matter if it is a religion, a sports, movies or pretending to safe the world. then swallow it, find some pals to connect and then seal up the mind. at the end of the day that's not an archievement and to most people that leaves forever the fear of someone taking away that illusion. looking foward to expand this experience. So many words to say so little... Is it any surprise that people are reluctant to invest any time in trying to understand what you are doing when you combine such a blatant inability to communicate with your mis-placed self-importance? And you seem to have as much difficulty communicating visually as you do verbally... Do you really think that what the masses need to awaken there "rusted mindsets" is another KFC print? Get over yourself...
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New RATA print release., by schlomo on Mar 29, 2010 17:50:54 GMT 1, Ok, let's talk about the idea a bit more and see if I can understand where you're coming from. What I don't get is why the addition of a Kfc logo? The US had nothing to do with it. I get banksys image cos the us were involved, but duc set fire to himself to draw attention to the suffering of buddhists in Vietnam at the hands of the Vietnamese government. So...... Why kfc?
Ok, let's talk about the idea a bit more and see if I can understand where you're coming from. What I don't get is why the addition of a Kfc logo? The US had nothing to do with it. I get banksys image cos the us were involved, but duc set fire to himself to draw attention to the suffering of buddhists in Vietnam at the hands of the Vietnamese government. So...... Why kfc?
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New RATA print release., by borusa on Mar 29, 2010 18:09:26 GMT 1, I am not offened by your appropriation of the image, just the shockingly inept use of photoshop and lack of skill involved in this, and offering it up for sale ??
I am all for artists using their art to create debate and push boundaries.
I am not for artists using photoshop paint brushes and call it 'Hand' finished !
I am not offened by your appropriation of the image, just the shockingly inept use of photoshop and lack of skill involved in this, and offering it up for sale ??
I am all for artists using their art to create debate and push boundaries.
I am not for artists using photoshop paint brushes and call it 'Hand' finished !
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krypto
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New RATA print release., by krypto on Mar 29, 2010 18:12:01 GMT 1, for me its nothing to do with the disrespect shown to the monk. Nothing to do with the 'shock' factor. This is simple puerile and a shockingly bad photoshop montage ! ( also judge not who i or others may be .. you seem to assume a position of moral and intellectual superiority , which , judging by your responses (and art) you have no right to (either that or you are seriously deluded ) ps . well done on 'tricking' us all !
for me its nothing to do with the disrespect shown to the monk. Nothing to do with the 'shock' factor. This is simple puerile and a shockingly bad photoshop montage ! ( also judge not who i or others may be .. you seem to assume a position of moral and intellectual superiority , which , judging by your responses (and art) you have no right to (either that or you are seriously deluded ) ps . well done on 'tricking' us all !
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iratasan
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New RATA print release., by iratasan on Mar 29, 2010 19:12:29 GMT 1, PS : Yes I saw a few your other works (at least splashed s**t and nazi youth). I'm not saying you're looking for love and understanding. I don't think so, your art is obviously provocative so I assume you want to provoke strong reactions among people. You said earlier you were not interested in the monk's story. Why ? And why did you erase him with smoke ?
PS : Yes I saw a few your other works (at least splashed s**t and nazi youth). I'm not saying you're looking for love and understanding. I don't think so, your art is obviously provocative so I assume you want to provoke strong reactions among people. You said earlier you were not interested in the monk's story. Why ? And why did you erase him with smoke ?
i am not neccessarily interested in provoking people or offending anyone. i am creating artworks from my sarcastic, yes sometimes even bitter view on the world but also combined with my love for the darkest of comedy. it is not for everybody, that's for sure. the thing is that from my perspective experiencing an amazing piece of art does not neccessarily have to be a pleasant experience to the viewer to reach it's goal. sometimes it HAS to hurt, but it is the viewers choice to open up and think or just close up and argue against what he/she doesn't understand.
if we look at my favorite artists for example: cauty - do you think he ever gave a shit about what people would think about it? he knows the general public and their moral flaws and pokes around in it until it hurts beuys - do i even have to go into detail? the name should be enough.
if we draw the connection to movies as art: - all haneke movies, especially funny games, cache, benny's video, white ribbon - irreversible - oldboy/sympathy for lady vengeance/mister vengeance - hard candy
all this pieces of art have in common that if you have any human decency then they will hurt you, shock you, disgust you, but once you understand them they are mindblowing experiences.
it is the viewers decision to take the time to understand and get rewarded by it or leave it at "that's shite".
some of my pieces are rather "light-hearted" some are "disturbing to the bone" in some people's eyes. i put a bit of myself into some while some others have a whole hidden layer of my personal experiences put into it, like this series for example. nevertheless the basic layers are made to be easily understandable. if people get it then that's fine. if they don't that's cool as well. the personal plus i put into them for me alone, so printing them is always justified no matter how you look at it.
dude, that's not smoke, that a chicken piece.
i know the story. i did not say that i wasn't interested in it, i said that i was not interested in raising awareness of it. other people have done that already. also that's not my concept. that would not be enough for me.
"i created it, i know what it means. " Yes, but if you are selling prints you should expect that people question your work. When I buy a piece of art, I want to understand it. It's like people talking and when people don't get what they say, they reply "nevermind, I understand myself". Cool. But there is no communication then. Yes, I did read your posts, some even twice because I could not get your points. It might not be a general art forum but I think it is no longer a banksy forum. It is all about urban art it seems and even to a bigger extent about printed art. So your art certainly has its place here. But you should expect reactions :-)
not really. art lies in the eyes of the beholder. who am i to tell you you how you interpret it?
as for the first print of the RATA series i read 3 fantastic interpretations regarding it that were different from mine. one was even better than my own. who am i to tell that person "NO, i the artist disapprove"??
"Yes, I did read your posts, some even twice".. i know what you refering to and i just saw that line. my post was supposed to say "did you read the other people's posts" but instead said "did you read my posts". that of course puts it into the wrong context and i apologise for that. this was not aimed at you. i enjoy this discussion. you seem to be really interested in the art, which seems rather rare.
nevertheless, as being the offficial banksy forum in the first place i see it like this:
banksy, even though i disagree with his method has honest intentions and a positive message. you would expect his fans to be similar. if that's not the case then sadly that method has failed.
didn't he get similar repsonses when he started? pretty ironic, isn't it?
of course there will be reactions. can't wait for the next page and the outbreak of hostility.
PS : Yes I saw a few your other works (at least splashed s**t and nazi youth). I'm not saying you're looking for love and understanding. I don't think so, your art is obviously provocative so I assume you want to provoke strong reactions among people. You said earlier you were not interested in the monk's story. Why ? And why did you erase him with smoke ? PS : Yes I saw a few your other works (at least splashed s**t and nazi youth). I'm not saying you're looking for love and understanding. I don't think so, your art is obviously provocative so I assume you want to provoke strong reactions among people. You said earlier you were not interested in the monk's story. Why ? And why did you erase him with smoke ? i am not neccessarily interested in provoking people or offending anyone. i am creating artworks from my sarcastic, yes sometimes even bitter view on the world but also combined with my love for the darkest of comedy. it is not for everybody, that's for sure. the thing is that from my perspective experiencing an amazing piece of art does not neccessarily have to be a pleasant experience to the viewer to reach it's goal. sometimes it HAS to hurt, but it is the viewers choice to open up and think or just close up and argue against what he/she doesn't understand. if we look at my favorite artists for example: cauty - do you think he ever gave a shit about what people would think about it? he knows the general public and their moral flaws and pokes around in it until it hurts beuys - do i even have to go into detail? the name should be enough. if we draw the connection to movies as art: - all haneke movies, especially funny games, cache, benny's video, white ribbon - irreversible - oldboy/sympathy for lady vengeance/mister vengeance - hard candy all this pieces of art have in common that if you have any human decency then they will hurt you, shock you, disgust you, but once you understand them they are mindblowing experiences. it is the viewers decision to take the time to understand and get rewarded by it or leave it at "that's shite". some of my pieces are rather "light-hearted" some are "disturbing to the bone" in some people's eyes. i put a bit of myself into some while some others have a whole hidden layer of my personal experiences put into it, like this series for example. nevertheless the basic layers are made to be easily understandable. if people get it then that's fine. if they don't that's cool as well. the personal plus i put into them for me alone, so printing them is always justified no matter how you look at it. dude, that's not smoke, that a chicken piece. i know the story. i did not say that i wasn't interested in it, i said that i was not interested in raising awareness of it. other people have done that already. also that's not my concept. that would not be enough for me. "i created it, i know what it means. " Yes, but if you are selling prints you should expect that people question your work. When I buy a piece of art, I want to understand it. It's like people talking and when people don't get what they say, they reply "nevermind, I understand myself". Cool. But there is no communication then. Yes, I did read your posts, some even twice because I could not get your points. It might not be a general art forum but I think it is no longer a banksy forum. It is all about urban art it seems and even to a bigger extent about printed art. So your art certainly has its place here. But you should expect reactions :-) not really. art lies in the eyes of the beholder. who am i to tell you you how you interpret it? as for the first print of the RATA series i read 3 fantastic interpretations regarding it that were different from mine. one was even better than my own. who am i to tell that person "NO, i the artist disapprove"?? "Yes, I did read your posts, some even twice".. i know what you refering to and i just saw that line. my post was supposed to say "did you read the other people's posts" but instead said "did you read my posts". that of course puts it into the wrong context and i apologise for that. this was not aimed at you. i enjoy this discussion. you seem to be really interested in the art, which seems rather rare. nevertheless, as being the offficial banksy forum in the first place i see it like this: banksy, even though i disagree with his method has honest intentions and a positive message. you would expect his fans to be similar. if that's not the case then sadly that method has failed. didn't he get similar repsonses when he started? pretty ironic, isn't it? of course there will be reactions. can't wait for the next page and the outbreak of hostility.
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iratasan
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New RATA print release., by iratasan on Mar 29, 2010 19:46:36 GMT 1, for what its worth im not offended (or even remotely intrigued) by the image or your reasons for making it, moreso the fact you think you can pop up out of nowhere and sell this s**t to us. one mr brainwash is bad enough thanks
hahaha. oh yeah? and who are you to instantly get my respect?
So many words to say so little... Is it any surprise that people are reluctant to invest any time in trying to understand what you are doing when you combine such a blatant inability to communicate with your mis-placed self-importance? And you seem to have as much difficulty communicating visually as you do verbally... Do you really think that what the masses need to awaken there "rusted mindsets" is another KFC print? Get over yourself...
haaha. yeah, the "scratch at his ego attempt", nice one, but too obvious. sorry bro, won't fall for it. ego is turned offf.
"masses need to awaken". that's exactly where you are stuck in the year 1208. they won't. never. neverever. that's where your whole system of showing an imagine to raise awareness and safe the world breaks down.
awareness and information and education. is that enough? no. all of us have seen/read/heard at least 1000 hours of education about the holocaust and still there are nazis and holocaust denyers. so obviously what we did to educate people was not even nearly enough.
"So many words to say so little..."
i think i had you already. an argument consists of a thesis and explanation and notes that add to it's foundation. this time: 0/3.
Ok, let's talk about the idea a bit more and see if I can understand where you're coming from. What I don't get is why the addition of a Kfc logo? The US had nothing to do with it. I get banksys image cos the us were involved, but duc set fire to himself to draw attention to the suffering of buddhists in Vietnam at the hands of the Vietnamese government. So...... Why kfc?
sweet. now we are talking. thank you.
KFC = fast food=consumerism, exchanging real food for an overprices easy to swallow substitude. burning monk=shock images presented to us over and over again to paralyze the masses and losing all of its meaning therefore in the end. i was originally planning to add the NBC logo as well, but that would have made it too obvious. KFC because it is widely known, not because it is an US company.
as i said, i am not banksy. i respect his work, but that method is not enough for me.
I am not offened by your appropriation of the image, just the shockingly inept use of photoshop and lack of skill involved in this, and offering it up for sale ?? I am all for artists using their art to create debate and push boundaries. I am not for artists using photoshop paint brushes and call it 'Hand' finished !
that's ok. the way you look at it i understand your criticism. it is not important to the concept as i see it though.
what makes you think that handfinished means printed with an additional photoshop red splatter layer? please rather ask then assume.
hand finished of course means hand finished, ergo me, taking the greyscale print and painting onto it. not sure how you got that confused.
for me its nothing to do with the disrespect shown to the monk. Nothing to do with the 'shock' factor. This is simple puerile and a shockingly bad photoshop montage ! ( also judge not who i or others may be .. you seem to assume a position of moral and intellectual superiority , which , judging by your responses (and art) you have no right to (either that or you are seriously deluded ) ps . well done on 'tricking' us all !
now the funny thing is that if i put myself in your shoes then i guess i would first of all avoid the matter and fixate on the interesting punctuation of your post, but that would be childish, which might be the usual appropriate tone around here, but really not of my interest.
ok, i re-read it now for the 5th time and all i understand is bad photoshop skills. yes, they are. already answered that. anything else?
as for morals it is simple: i step to you exactly the way you step to me. your choice.
for what its worth im not offended (or even remotely intrigued) by the image or your reasons for making it, moreso the fact you think you can pop up out of nowhere and sell this s**t to us. one mr brainwash is bad enough thanks hahaha. oh yeah? and who are you to instantly get my respect? So many words to say so little... Is it any surprise that people are reluctant to invest any time in trying to understand what you are doing when you combine such a blatant inability to communicate with your mis-placed self-importance? And you seem to have as much difficulty communicating visually as you do verbally... Do you really think that what the masses need to awaken there "rusted mindsets" is another KFC print? Get over yourself... haaha. yeah, the "scratch at his ego attempt", nice one, but too obvious. sorry bro, won't fall for it. ego is turned offf. "masses need to awaken". that's exactly where you are stuck in the year 1208. they won't. never. neverever. that's where your whole system of showing an imagine to raise awareness and safe the world breaks down. awareness and information and education. is that enough? no. all of us have seen/read/heard at least 1000 hours of education about the holocaust and still there are nazis and holocaust denyers. so obviously what we did to educate people was not even nearly enough. "So many words to say so little..." i think i had you already. an argument consists of a thesis and explanation and notes that add to it's foundation. this time: 0/3. Ok, let's talk about the idea a bit more and see if I can understand where you're coming from. What I don't get is why the addition of a Kfc logo? The US had nothing to do with it. I get banksys image cos the us were involved, but duc set fire to himself to draw attention to the suffering of buddhists in Vietnam at the hands of the Vietnamese government. So...... Why kfc? sweet. now we are talking. thank you. KFC = fast food=consumerism, exchanging real food for an overprices easy to swallow substitude. burning monk=shock images presented to us over and over again to paralyze the masses and losing all of its meaning therefore in the end. i was originally planning to add the NBC logo as well, but that would have made it too obvious. KFC because it is widely known, not because it is an US company. as i said, i am not banksy. i respect his work, but that method is not enough for me. I am not offened by your appropriation of the image, just the shockingly inept use of photoshop and lack of skill involved in this, and offering it up for sale ?? I am all for artists using their art to create debate and push boundaries. I am not for artists using photoshop paint brushes and call it 'Hand' finished ! that's ok. the way you look at it i understand your criticism. it is not important to the concept as i see it though. what makes you think that handfinished means printed with an additional photoshop red splatter layer? please rather ask then assume. hand finished of course means hand finished, ergo me, taking the greyscale print and painting onto it. not sure how you got that confused. for me its nothing to do with the disrespect shown to the monk. Nothing to do with the 'shock' factor. This is simple puerile and a shockingly bad photoshop montage ! ( also judge not who i or others may be .. you seem to assume a position of moral and intellectual superiority , which , judging by your responses (and art) you have no right to (either that or you are seriously deluded ) ps . well done on 'tricking' us all ! now the funny thing is that if i put myself in your shoes then i guess i would first of all avoid the matter and fixate on the interesting punctuation of your post, but that would be childish, which might be the usual appropriate tone around here, but really not of my interest. ok, i re-read it now for the 5th time and all i understand is bad photoshop skills. yes, they are. already answered that. anything else? as for morals it is simple: i step to you exactly the way you step to me. your choice.
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Cedric Mnich
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New RATA print release., by Cedric Mnich on Mar 29, 2010 19:59:31 GMT 1, Uh sorry but I totally missed it was a burning chicken piece. the B&W treatment made me think it was smoke. And you are right, art observers are free to have their own interpretation of the work. Most artworks are made to be interpreted. But most artists also have their own concept or idea behind. You obviously had an idea when doing that piece this is why I say when I look at an artpiece, I like knowing what the artist meant. I can have a different view or interpretation but to me it is important to know the original meaning. My own art can easily be misinterpreted or misunderstood. Most people see a criticism or a denunciation of speculation in my art. It is partly true, but essentially wrong. From my point of view, I like that people know what I mean with my art, and not them have a wrong even if personal interpretation. For example, if a guy says Cedric Mnich makes anti-capitalist art, he is all wrong. He might interpret it this way, but it's not. I have one question for readers : how many of you had seen it was a chicken piece ? Even if I see it correctly now, I still miss the relation between your piece of art and what you intend to express.
Uh sorry but I totally missed it was a burning chicken piece. the B&W treatment made me think it was smoke. And you are right, art observers are free to have their own interpretation of the work. Most artworks are made to be interpreted. But most artists also have their own concept or idea behind. You obviously had an idea when doing that piece this is why I say when I look at an artpiece, I like knowing what the artist meant. I can have a different view or interpretation but to me it is important to know the original meaning. My own art can easily be misinterpreted or misunderstood. Most people see a criticism or a denunciation of speculation in my art. It is partly true, but essentially wrong. From my point of view, I like that people know what I mean with my art, and not them have a wrong even if personal interpretation. For example, if a guy says Cedric Mnich makes anti-capitalist art, he is all wrong. He might interpret it this way, but it's not. I have one question for readers : how many of you had seen it was a chicken piece ? Even if I see it correctly now, I still miss the relation between your piece of art and what you intend to express.
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krypto
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New RATA print release., by krypto on Mar 29, 2010 20:42:29 GMT 1, for me its nothing to do with the disrespect shown to the monk. Nothing to do with the 'shock' factor. This is simple puerile and a shockingly bad photoshop montage ! ( also judge not who i or others may be .. you seem to assume a position of moral and intellectual superiority , which , judging by your responses (and art) you have no right to (either that or you are seriously deluded ) ps . well done on 'tricking' us all ! now the funny thing is that if i put myself in your shoes then i guess i would first of all avoid the matter and fixate on the interesting punctuation of your post, but that would be childish, which might be the usual appropriate tone around here, but really not of my interest. ok, i re-read it now for the 5th time and all i understand is bad photoshop skills. yes, they are. already answered that. anything else? as for morals it is simple: i step to you exactly the way you step to me. your choice.
OH NO! !? ~ dunt pull me, up ... on me punc,tua'tion !? that would : devastate - me ?!
I dislike your tone of intellectual superiority (which reads more like deluded teenage/student politics .. stepping out into the world and spouting off idealistic dreams of how the world should be) Question : are you a student or teenager?
About the Art - i saw the badly rendered chicken mc nugget , it still makes no sense to appropiate the photograph that you have. Now, if the image was a chicken mcNugget on fire that was obviously referencing this photo , but without using the actual photo .. i think it would have been a much more interesting piece. thats just my opinion - worthless as it is .
lastly - dont forget , we (well maybe not me - but we in general) are the people you have put this artwork in front of - expecting or hoping for sales . attempts to belittle the opinions or thoughts of your customer base , isnt good practice.
for me its nothing to do with the disrespect shown to the monk. Nothing to do with the 'shock' factor. This is simple puerile and a shockingly bad photoshop montage ! ( also judge not who i or others may be .. you seem to assume a position of moral and intellectual superiority , which , judging by your responses (and art) you have no right to (either that or you are seriously deluded ) ps . well done on 'tricking' us all ! now the funny thing is that if i put myself in your shoes then i guess i would first of all avoid the matter and fixate on the interesting punctuation of your post, but that would be childish, which might be the usual appropriate tone around here, but really not of my interest. ok, i re-read it now for the 5th time and all i understand is bad photoshop skills. yes, they are. already answered that. anything else? as for morals it is simple: i step to you exactly the way you step to me. your choice. OH NO! !? ~ dunt pull me, up ... on me punc,tua'tion !? that would : devastate - me ?! I dislike your tone of intellectual superiority (which reads more like deluded teenage/student politics .. stepping out into the world and spouting off idealistic dreams of how the world should be) Question : are you a student or teenager? About the Art - i saw the badly rendered chicken mc nugget , it still makes no sense to appropiate the photograph that you have. Now, if the image was a chicken mcNugget on fire that was obviously referencing this photo , but without using the actual photo .. i think it would have been a much more interesting piece. thats just my opinion - worthless as it is . lastly - dont forget , we (well maybe not me - but we in general) are the people you have put this artwork in front of - expecting or hoping for sales . attempts to belittle the opinions or thoughts of your customer base , isnt good practice.
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New RATA print release., by stanley on Mar 29, 2010 20:58:19 GMT 1, I cant see any chicken and dont understand the handfinishing. Is it blood? Why blood? The monk is on fire or if its chicken being burnt. Or is that the hot sauce? So if its hot sauce because of the chicken then why the reference to the monk?
I cant see any chicken and dont understand the handfinishing. Is it blood? Why blood? The monk is on fire or if its chicken being burnt. Or is that the hot sauce? So if its hot sauce because of the chicken then why the reference to the monk?
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New RATA print release., by dutchfella on Mar 29, 2010 21:19:09 GMT 1, for ยฃ10 i can knock up this for anyone that wants it on photoshop tomato ketchup splatter +ยฃ5 teastain +ยฃ2 pretencious and unintelligent comments come free of charge
for ยฃ10 i can knock up this for anyone that wants it on photoshop tomato ketchup splatter +ยฃ5 teastain +ยฃ2 pretencious and unintelligent comments come free of charge
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spirit
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New RATA print release., by spirit on Mar 29, 2010 21:26:03 GMT 1, haaha. yeah, the "scratch at his ego attempt", nice one, but too obvious. sorry bro, won't fall for it. ego is turned offf.
I wasn't attacking your ego - I was simply pointing out that you seem to find it difficult to construct sentences that other people can understand.
"masses need to awaken". that's exactly where you are stuck in the year 1208. they won't. never. neverever.
This was actually referring to your world view not mine. You are the one that seems so content to put everyone on this forum and their "rusted mindsets" into the same box labelled "people that don't get it"
that's where your whole system of showing an imagine to raise awareness and safe the world breaks down.
er...see my first point above.
i think i had you already. an argument consists of a thesis and explanation and notes that add to it's foundation.
I think you are getting way ahead of yourself. Never mind the thesis, explanation and notes - you are going to lose every argument you ever have until you master the basic ability to communicate what you want to say in a way that other people can understand it.
haaha. yeah, the "scratch at his ego attempt", nice one, but too obvious. sorry bro, won't fall for it. ego is turned offf. I wasn't attacking your ego - I was simply pointing out that you seem to find it difficult to construct sentences that other people can understand. "masses need to awaken". that's exactly where you are stuck in the year 1208. they won't. never. neverever. This was actually referring to your world view not mine. You are the one that seems so content to put everyone on this forum and their "rusted mindsets" into the same box labelled "people that don't get it" that's where your whole system of showing an imagine to raise awareness and safe the world breaks down. er...see my first point above. i think i had you already. an argument consists of a thesis and explanation and notes that add to it's foundation. I think you are getting way ahead of yourself. Never mind the thesis, explanation and notes - you are going to lose every argument you ever have until you master the basic ability to communicate what you want to say in a way that other people can understand it.
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New RATA print release., by schlomo on Mar 29, 2010 21:30:04 GMT 1, Rata, i kind of understand it better after the explanation of the kfc thing, and with the chicken nugget it again makes more sense, it was the connection to the US which i didnt understand but i see that was my mistake. I still dont quite see the chicken nugget tho, it looks like a plume of smoke to me, but maybe thats the colour, or my eyes.
Anywho, good luck with it man.
Rata, i kind of understand it better after the explanation of the kfc thing, and with the chicken nugget it again makes more sense, it was the connection to the US which i didnt understand but i see that was my mistake. I still dont quite see the chicken nugget tho, it looks like a plume of smoke to me, but maybe thats the colour, or my eyes.
Anywho, good luck with it man.
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lifeonwalls
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New RATA print release., by lifeonwalls on Mar 29, 2010 21:38:18 GMT 1, Don't forget to tell these kind folks what you mentioned to everyone on the EB forum:
"flipping will be rewarded. the better your flip the better my present to you."
Don't forget to tell these kind folks what you mentioned to everyone on the EB forum:
"flipping will be rewarded. the better your flip the better my present to you."
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iratasan
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New RATA print release., by iratasan on Mar 29, 2010 21:39:47 GMT 1, Uh sorry but I totally missed it was a burning chicken piece. the B&W treatment made me think it was smoke. And you are right, art observers are free to have their own interpretation of the work. Most artworks are made to be interpreted. But most artists also have their own concept or idea behind. You obviously had an idea when doing that piece this is why I say when I look at an artpiece, I like knowing what the artist meant. I can have a different view or interpretation but to me it is important to know the original meaning. My own art can easily be misinterpreted or misunderstood. Most people see a criticism or a denunciation of speculation in my art. It is partly true, but essentially wrong. From my point of view, I like that people know what I mean with my art, and not them have a wrong even if personal interpretation. For example, if a guy says Cedric Mnich makes anti-capitalist art, he is all wrong. He might interpret it this way, but it's not. I have one question for readers : how many of you had seen it was a chicken piece ? Even if I see it correctly now, I still miss the relation between your piece of art and what you intend to express.
no problem at all, man. the people i talked to before this thread recognised it as a chicken piece, maybe through the KFC association, but looking at it in a downscaled version i completely understand how you have gotten that impression.
totally agreed. i knew that you'd understand the beuys references and i agree 100%. on your whole post. i see where you are coming from.
yes, i had a basic idea when i started and then found more connections within the concept by adding layer after layer and stopped at a point where i felt it had exactly the weight i wanted it to have. adding more, for example the NBC logo would have lowered it's impact.
i personally have no problem with criticism at all. as i accept any interpretation as well, just as long as it is an intrepretation.
i like your views, let's stay in contact.
OH NO! !? ~ dunt pull me, up ... on me punc,tua'tion !? that would : devastate - me ?! I dislike your tone of intellectual superiority (which reads more like deluded teenage/student politics .. stepping out into the world and spouting off idealistic dreams of how the world should be) Question : are you a student or teenager? About the Art - i saw the badly rendered chicken mc nugget , it still makes no sense to appropiate the photograph that you have. Now, if the image was a chicken mcNugget on fire that was obviously referencing this photo , but without using the actual photo .. i think it would have been a much more interesting piece. thats just my opinion - worthless as it is . lastly - dont forget , we (well maybe not me - but we in general) are the people you have put this artwork in front of - expecting or hoping for sales . attempts to belittle the opinions or thoughts of your customer base , isnt good practice.
hahaha, oh krypto you are truly one of a kind. i almost feel compelled to crack a lil childish pun your way myself since you make it so easy and since your openings are written as if they only there to serve that purpose, but sorry i won't. i made the appropriate joke in my head. no need to fill the forum with it. that's spacewasting.
i personally love your tone. it is amusing, i guess that's what your inetending it to be.
actually it is not a chicken mcnugget, to be specific it is a "chickolee", they were only served by "wimpy's" for 2 years or so. this is a key element to the piece. once you have done the research it will unfold to you like a flower.
ah, so you, "krypto" are "the people"? i gotta admit that this comes as a bit of surprise to me, but i haven't been hanging out here for long. just so i can adjust my behavior, please let me know if you are "the people of this forum"? if yes, then how come cedric does not share your opinion? do the people of the forum live inside of you or even your mind and can each post their opinions independently? is't that crowded make it hard to find a job and clothes? or do you mean that you are the people of the world. damn, then that's brilliant. so i am living inside of you and every post i write will be read by the whole world?
actually that's wrong.
here is my customer base summed up completely: everybody that likes the artwork/idea enough to buy it.
simple as that.
do you really think someone that treats such a sensitive matter in such a rude and ruthless way comes over here to asskiss people into buying it?
if any of my favorite artists would have had such a low amount of backbone then they would not have be known today.
Uh sorry but I totally missed it was a burning chicken piece. the B&W treatment made me think it was smoke. And you are right, art observers are free to have their own interpretation of the work. Most artworks are made to be interpreted. But most artists also have their own concept or idea behind. You obviously had an idea when doing that piece this is why I say when I look at an artpiece, I like knowing what the artist meant. I can have a different view or interpretation but to me it is important to know the original meaning. My own art can easily be misinterpreted or misunderstood. Most people see a criticism or a denunciation of speculation in my art. It is partly true, but essentially wrong. From my point of view, I like that people know what I mean with my art, and not them have a wrong even if personal interpretation. For example, if a guy says Cedric Mnich makes anti-capitalist art, he is all wrong. He might interpret it this way, but it's not. I have one question for readers : how many of you had seen it was a chicken piece ? Even if I see it correctly now, I still miss the relation between your piece of art and what you intend to express. no problem at all, man. the people i talked to before this thread recognised it as a chicken piece, maybe through the KFC association, but looking at it in a downscaled version i completely understand how you have gotten that impression. totally agreed. i knew that you'd understand the beuys references and i agree 100%. on your whole post. i see where you are coming from. yes, i had a basic idea when i started and then found more connections within the concept by adding layer after layer and stopped at a point where i felt it had exactly the weight i wanted it to have. adding more, for example the NBC logo would have lowered it's impact. i personally have no problem with criticism at all. as i accept any interpretation as well, just as long as it is an intrepretation. i like your views, let's stay in contact. OH NO! !? ~ dunt pull me, up ... on me punc,tua'tion !? that would : devastate - me ?! I dislike your tone of intellectual superiority (which reads more like deluded teenage/student politics .. stepping out into the world and spouting off idealistic dreams of how the world should be) Question : are you a student or teenager? About the Art - i saw the badly rendered chicken mc nugget , it still makes no sense to appropiate the photograph that you have. Now, if the image was a chicken mcNugget on fire that was obviously referencing this photo , but without using the actual photo .. i think it would have been a much more interesting piece. thats just my opinion - worthless as it is . lastly - dont forget , we (well maybe not me - but we in general) are the people you have put this artwork in front of - expecting or hoping for sales . attempts to belittle the opinions or thoughts of your customer base , isnt good practice. hahaha, oh krypto you are truly one of a kind. i almost feel compelled to crack a lil childish pun your way myself since you make it so easy and since your openings are written as if they only there to serve that purpose, but sorry i won't. i made the appropriate joke in my head. no need to fill the forum with it. that's spacewasting. i personally love your tone. it is amusing, i guess that's what your inetending it to be. actually it is not a chicken mcnugget, to be specific it is a "chickolee", they were only served by "wimpy's" for 2 years or so. this is a key element to the piece. once you have done the research it will unfold to you like a flower. ah, so you, "krypto" are "the people"? i gotta admit that this comes as a bit of surprise to me, but i haven't been hanging out here for long. just so i can adjust my behavior, please let me know if you are "the people of this forum"? if yes, then how come cedric does not share your opinion? do the people of the forum live inside of you or even your mind and can each post their opinions independently? is't that crowded make it hard to find a job and clothes? or do you mean that you are the people of the world. damn, then that's brilliant. so i am living inside of you and every post i write will be read by the whole world? actually that's wrong. here is my customer base summed up completely: everybody that likes the artwork/idea enough to buy it. simple as that. do you really think someone that treats such a sensitive matter in such a rude and ruthless way comes over here to asskiss people into buying it? if any of my favorite artists would have had such a low amount of backbone then they would not have be known today.
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New RATA print release., by PRO on Mar 29, 2010 21:45:51 GMT 1, no comment
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New RATA print release., by spirit on Mar 29, 2010 21:48:11 GMT 1, i made the appropriate joke in my head. no need to fill the forum with it. that's spacewasting.
If only you applied this to your "art" as well as your jokes...
i made the appropriate joke in my head. no need to fill the forum with it. that's spacewasting. If only you applied this to your "art" as well as your jokes...
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New RATA print release., by iratasan on Mar 29, 2010 22:18:08 GMT 1, I cant see any chicken and dont understand the handfinishing. Is it blood? Why blood? The monk is on fire or if its chicken being burnt. Or is that the hot sauce? So if its hot sauce because of the chicken then why the reference to the monk?
daaamn, stanley. you are the first one that caught it. i am impressed. yes, it is hot sauce. you did not fall for the trick.
the monk is preparated like a KFC chicken part, that's why he looks like a chicken. don't forget, it it Vietnam Fried Monk, not Vietnam Fried Chicken and the canister to his left is frying oil. he frying. ok, parts are burning most likely , but parts are frying.
for ยฃ10 i can knock up this for anyone that wants it on photoshop tomato ketchup splatter +ยฃ5 teastain +ยฃ2 pretencious and unintelligent comments come free of charge
free of charge? really? wow, how genorous. i can not accept that though. please gimme your paypal address so that i can send ya some quid.
yeah, you could have, but you didn't, now did ya?
how about you print those and i sell some photocopies of banksys moron print?
maybe we can trade. hook me up.
haaha. yeah, the "scratch at his ego attempt", nice one, but too obvious. sorry bro, won't fall for it. ego is turned offf. I wasn't attacking your ego - I was simply pointing out that you seem to find it difficult to construct sentences that other people can understand. This was actually referring to your world view not mine. You are the one that seems so content to put everyone on this forum and their "rusted mindsets" into the same box labelled "people that don't get it" er...see my first point above. i think i had you already. an argument consists of a thesis and explanation and notes that add to it's foundation. I think you are getting way ahead of yourself. Never mind the thesis, explanation and notes - you are going to lose every argument you ever have until you master the basic ability to communicate what you want to say in a way that other people can understand it.
hmmm, soooo considering the posts that actually count as conversations it seems like some people understand them while some others don't.
lol, yeah keep telling that to yourself. look, i enjoy a good conversation, even a a heated one, ah F--- even the occasional knife fight is not neccessarily without it's charme, but if you think that i am the right person to bully with childlike rethorics when entering a forum without getting your piece back then it your view has already been proven to be wrong.
edit: forget that. i just went back and overviewed the whole post again.
rewind, take 2: hahahahaha. wow, dude that is impressing on a level beyond belief. ha, man i have ripped so many empty conversation tactics apart in the past, but i have actually never seen this one before. gotta write that down. so you just took 6 lines out of that whole post, even cut them so they are not complete sentences anymore and kind of ahum ... responded ... something. not sure what it is, but there are words in it and that's what counts to ya, right?
sorry man, but i can not "not mind" your thesis, xplanation and notes if they not existent. is that a trick question? or philisophical? that's part of feuerbach's nihilism, isn't it.
oh and yeah, i can not win an argument that has not begun. my view into the future is blocked somehow. maybe ozymandias is to blame.
Rata, i kind of understand it better after the explanation of the kfc thing, and with the chicken nugget it again makes more sense, it was the connection to the US which i didnt understand but i see that was my mistake. I still dont quite see the chicken nugget tho, it looks like a plume of smoke to me, but maybe thats the colour, or my eyes. Anywho, good luck with it man.
schlomo, thank you very much to take the time for this conversation, i am very happy that you have found a way into my artwork.
actually it is not a chicken, it is a monk that is prepared properly (the KFC way) and then fried and the result looks like a chicken.
see also the explanation i gave stanley above. that one is legit.
thank you so much.
i hope it was clear that the "wimpy's" explanataion that i gave that rather odd guy was meant sarcastic.
Don't forget to tell these kind folks what you mentioned to everyone on the EB forum: "flipping will be rewarded. the better your flip the better my present to you."
hell yeah and it also said so on my homepage. also the higher your flip the more poster you get back from me. you can even win a sub. i posted the list how many posters you get for free at what amount on EB as well. can't find it right now. would you please be so kind?
I cant see any chicken and dont understand the handfinishing. Is it blood? Why blood? The monk is on fire or if its chicken being burnt. Or is that the hot sauce? So if its hot sauce because of the chicken then why the reference to the monk? daaamn, stanley. you are the first one that caught it. i am impressed. yes, it is hot sauce. you did not fall for the trick. the monk is preparated like a KFC chicken part, that's why he looks like a chicken. don't forget, it it Vietnam Fried Monk, not Vietnam Fried Chicken and the canister to his left is frying oil. he frying. ok, parts are burning most likely , but parts are frying. for ยฃ10 i can knock up this for anyone that wants it on photoshop tomato ketchup splatter +ยฃ5 teastain +ยฃ2 pretencious and unintelligent comments come free of charge free of charge? really? wow, how genorous. i can not accept that though. please gimme your paypal address so that i can send ya some quid. yeah, you could have, but you didn't, now did ya? how about you print those and i sell some photocopies of banksys moron print? maybe we can trade. hook me up. haaha. yeah, the "scratch at his ego attempt", nice one, but too obvious. sorry bro, won't fall for it. ego is turned offf. I wasn't attacking your ego - I was simply pointing out that you seem to find it difficult to construct sentences that other people can understand. This was actually referring to your world view not mine. You are the one that seems so content to put everyone on this forum and their "rusted mindsets" into the same box labelled "people that don't get it" er...see my first point above. i think i had you already. an argument consists of a thesis and explanation and notes that add to it's foundation. I think you are getting way ahead of yourself. Never mind the thesis, explanation and notes - you are going to lose every argument you ever have until you master the basic ability to communicate what you want to say in a way that other people can understand it. hmmm, soooo considering the posts that actually count as conversations it seems like some people understand them while some others don't. lol, yeah keep telling that to yourself. look, i enjoy a good conversation, even a a heated one, ah F--- even the occasional knife fight is not neccessarily without it's charme, but if you think that i am the right person to bully with childlike rethorics when entering a forum without getting your piece back then it your view has already been proven to be wrong. edit: forget that. i just went back and overviewed the whole post again. rewind, take 2: hahahahaha. wow, dude that is impressing on a level beyond belief. ha, man i have ripped so many empty conversation tactics apart in the past, but i have actually never seen this one before. gotta write that down. so you just took 6 lines out of that whole post, even cut them so they are not complete sentences anymore and kind of ahum ... responded ... something. not sure what it is, but there are words in it and that's what counts to ya, right? sorry man, but i can not "not mind" your thesis, xplanation and notes if they not existent. is that a trick question? or philisophical? that's part of feuerbach's nihilism, isn't it. oh and yeah, i can not win an argument that has not begun. my view into the future is blocked somehow. maybe ozymandias is to blame. Rata, i kind of understand it better after the explanation of the kfc thing, and with the chicken nugget it again makes more sense, it was the connection to the US which i didnt understand but i see that was my mistake. I still dont quite see the chicken nugget tho, it looks like a plume of smoke to me, but maybe thats the colour, or my eyes. Anywho, good luck with it man. schlomo, thank you very much to take the time for this conversation, i am very happy that you have found a way into my artwork. actually it is not a chicken, it is a monk that is prepared properly (the KFC way) and then fried and the result looks like a chicken. see also the explanation i gave stanley above. that one is legit. thank you so much. i hope it was clear that the "wimpy's" explanataion that i gave that rather odd guy was meant sarcastic. Don't forget to tell these kind folks what you mentioned to everyone on the EB forum: "flipping will be rewarded. the better your flip the better my present to you." hell yeah and it also said so on my homepage. also the higher your flip the more poster you get back from me. you can even win a sub. i posted the list how many posters you get for free at what amount on EB as well. can't find it right now. would you please be so kind?
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New RATA print release., by iratasan on Mar 29, 2010 22:22:52 GMT 1, i made the appropriate joke in my head. no need to fill the forum with it. that's spacewasting. If only you applied this to your "art" as well as your jokes...
hahaha. that's the most clever, most deviant return to come up with? oh, and you had to edit it multiple times.
truly worth the efford.
i made the appropriate joke in my head. no need to fill the forum with it. that's spacewasting. If only you applied this to your "art" as well as your jokes... hahaha. that's the most clever, most deviant return to come up with? oh, and you had to edit it multiple times. truly worth the efford.
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New RATA print release., by spirit on Mar 29, 2010 22:45:19 GMT 1, If only you applied this to your "art" as well as your jokes... hahaha. that's the most clever, most deviant return to come up with? oh, and you had to edit it multiple times. truly worth the efford.
I'd already made my "return" in my previous post. This was just for fun.
I edited it because it had a typo. you should try it sometime. (It's effort, not efford by the way...)
If only you applied this to your "art" as well as your jokes... hahaha. that's the most clever, most deviant return to come up with? oh, and you had to edit it multiple times. truly worth the efford. I'd already made my "return" in my previous post. This was just for fun. I edited it because it had a typo. you should try it sometime. (It's effort, not efford by the way...)
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New RATA print release., by iratasan on Mar 29, 2010 22:51:31 GMT 1, hahaha. that's the most clever, most deviant return to come up with? oh, and you had to edit it multiple times. truly worth the efford. I'd already made my "return" in my previous post. This was just for fun. I edited it because it had a typo. you should try it sometime. (It's effort, not efford by the way...)
you did? oh, wait, your were the one that had problems with understanding the concpet of an argument, right?
of course you did and it looks beautiful, here let's put it onto the fridge for everybody to see.
hahaha. that's the most clever, most deviant return to come up with? oh, and you had to edit it multiple times. truly worth the efford. I'd already made my "return" in my previous post. This was just for fun. I edited it because it had a typo. you should try it sometime. (It's effort, not efford by the way...) you did? oh, wait, your were the one that had problems with understanding the concpet of an argument, right? of course you did and it looks beautiful, here let's put it onto the fridge for everybody to see.
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New RATA print release., by krypto on Mar 29, 2010 23:12:10 GMT 1, i seem to remember another 'artist' who always avoided direct questions and instead tried to prove their superior wit and intellectual prowess by referencing names and works in an attempt to try to belittle the opinions of those who may not have either heard or read the works in question .
So can i be the first to say - Hello Cartrain .. i like your new identity .. very funny
i seem to remember another 'artist' who always avoided direct questions and instead tried to prove their superior wit and intellectual prowess by referencing names and works in an attempt to try to belittle the opinions of those who may not have either heard or read the works in question . So can i be the first to say - Hello Cartrain .. i like your new identity .. very funny
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New RATA print release., by spirit on Mar 29, 2010 23:16:47 GMT 1, Ahhh of course.
Ahhh of course.
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New RATA print release., by illu on Mar 30, 2010 0:09:44 GMT 1, for what its worth im not offended (or even remotely intrigued) by the image or your reasons for making it, moreso the fact you think you can pop up out of nowhere and sell this s**t to us. one mr brainwash is bad enough thanks hahaha. oh yeah? and who are you to instantly get my respect? haaha. yeah, the "scratch at his ego attempt", nice one, but too obvious. sorry bro, won't fall for it. ego is turned offf. "masses need to awaken". that's exactly where you are stuck in the year 1208. they won't. never. neverever. that's where your whole system of showing an imagine to raise awareness and safe the world breaks down. [glow=red,2,300]awareness and information and education. is that enough? no. all of us have seen/read/heard at least 1000 hours of education about the holocaust and still there are nazis and holocaust denyers. so obviously what we did to educate people was not even nearly enough[/glow]."So many words to say so little..." i think i had you already. an argument consists of a thesis and explanation and notes that add to it's foundation. this time: 0/3. sweet. now we are talking. thank you. KFC = fast food=consumerism, exchanging real food for an overprices easy to swallow substitude. burning monk=shock images presented to us over and over again to paralyze the masses and losing all of its meaning therefore in the end. i was originally planning to add the NBC logo as well, but that would have made it too obvious. KFC because it is widely known, not because it is an US company. as i said, i am not banksy. i respect his work, but that method is not enough for me. that's ok. the way you look at it i understand your criticism. it is not important to the concept as i see it though. what makes you think that handfinished means printed with an additional photoshop red splatter layer? please rather ask then assume. hand finished of course means hand finished, ergo me, taking the greyscale print and painting onto it. not sure how you got that confused. for me its nothing to do with the disrespect shown to the monk. Nothing to do with the 'shock' factor. This is simple puerile and a shockingly bad photoshop montage ! ( also judge not who i or others may be .. you seem to assume a position of moral and intellectual superiority , which , judging by your responses (and art) you have no right to (either that or you are seriously deluded ) ps . well done on 'tricking' us all ! now the funny thing is that if i put myself in your shoes then i guess i would first of all avoid the matter and fixate on the interesting punctuation of your post, but that would be childish, which might be the usual appropriate tone around here, but really not of my interest. ok, i re-read it now for the 5th time and all i understand is bad photoshop skills. yes, they are. already answered that. anything else? as for morals it is simple: i step to you exactly the way you step to me. your choice.
I'm in the education business, yes sometimes my pupils have to be shocked with input either sound, photos or movies to get hooked to a topic.........BUT i would never say that I am able to educate somebody, which you can if you only try to set rules......imo you can't educate people on an intelectuall level, you can only pusjh or force them to start thinking....(sorry I know this all is hard to read, but I just try to write down my thoughts in an foreign language)
the pic may be a perfect peace to push people using their brains in two ways: 1. get interessted what is behind the whole story and become curious on history 2. you start recapturing history and its impact on the present and the future when you already know the facts about the photo and the story behind it
finally imo for the "getstratthinking" fact it's a great piece, but i wouldn't call it art
if anybody has a question about my thoughts please call me direct........
for what its worth im not offended (or even remotely intrigued) by the image or your reasons for making it, moreso the fact you think you can pop up out of nowhere and sell this s**t to us. one mr brainwash is bad enough thanks hahaha. oh yeah? and who are you to instantly get my respect? haaha. yeah, the "scratch at his ego attempt", nice one, but too obvious. sorry bro, won't fall for it. ego is turned offf. "masses need to awaken". that's exactly where you are stuck in the year 1208. they won't. never. neverever. that's where your whole system of showing an imagine to raise awareness and safe the world breaks down. [glow=red,2,300]awareness and information and education. is that enough? no. all of us have seen/read/heard at least 1000 hours of education about the holocaust and still there are nazis and holocaust denyers. so obviously what we did to educate people was not even nearly enough[/glow]."So many words to say so little..." i think i had you already. an argument consists of a thesis and explanation and notes that add to it's foundation. this time: 0/3. sweet. now we are talking. thank you. KFC = fast food=consumerism, exchanging real food for an overprices easy to swallow substitude. burning monk=shock images presented to us over and over again to paralyze the masses and losing all of its meaning therefore in the end. i was originally planning to add the NBC logo as well, but that would have made it too obvious. KFC because it is widely known, not because it is an US company. as i said, i am not banksy. i respect his work, but that method is not enough for me. that's ok. the way you look at it i understand your criticism. it is not important to the concept as i see it though. what makes you think that handfinished means printed with an additional photoshop red splatter layer? please rather ask then assume. hand finished of course means hand finished, ergo me, taking the greyscale print and painting onto it. not sure how you got that confused. for me its nothing to do with the disrespect shown to the monk. Nothing to do with the 'shock' factor. This is simple puerile and a shockingly bad photoshop montage ! ( also judge not who i or others may be .. you seem to assume a position of moral and intellectual superiority , which , judging by your responses (and art) you have no right to (either that or you are seriously deluded ) ps . well done on 'tricking' us all ! now the funny thing is that if i put myself in your shoes then i guess i would first of all avoid the matter and fixate on the interesting punctuation of your post, but that would be childish, which might be the usual appropriate tone around here, but really not of my interest. ok, i re-read it now for the 5th time and all i understand is bad photoshop skills. yes, they are. already answered that. anything else? as for morals it is simple: i step to you exactly the way you step to me. your choice. I'm in the education business, yes sometimes my pupils have to be shocked with input either sound, photos or movies to get hooked to a topic.........BUT i would never say that I am able to educate somebody, which you can if you only try to set rules......imo you can't educate people on an intelectuall level, you can only pusjh or force them to start thinking....(sorry I know this all is hard to read, but I just try to write down my thoughts in an foreign language) the pic may be a perfect peace to push people using their brains in two ways: 1. get interessted what is behind the whole story and become curious on history 2. you start recapturing history and its impact on the present and the future when you already know the facts about the photo and the story behind it finally imo for the "getstratthinking" fact it's a great piece, but i wouldn't call it art if anybody has a question about my thoughts please call me direct........
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blitsu
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August 2008
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New RATA print release., by blitsu on Mar 30, 2010 9:00:37 GMT 1, iratasan = a artisan.. Really?
iratasan = a artisan.. Really?
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Karl Read
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April 2008
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New RATA print release., by Karl Read on Mar 30, 2010 9:48:39 GMT 1, Whats the odds on if these will sell out?
Whats the odds on if these will sell out?
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New RATA print release., by nigelbgg on Mar 30, 2010 23:56:33 GMT 1, 0
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New RATA print release., by nigelbgg on Mar 30, 2010 23:57:42 GMT 1, Didn't Mau Mau paint a piece about Monks that was on Wooster? A burning monk if I remember correctly?
Didn't Mau Mau paint a piece about Monks that was on Wooster? A burning monk if I remember correctly?
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