Ottomatik
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New RATA print release., by Ottomatik on Mar 28, 2010 23:02:13 GMT 1,
From what I understand you have to send email to iratatatat@yahoo.de with subject "propaganda". Presale for previous supporters will happen soon! Online sale later today!
RATA's first 2 releases can be tracked down, if you know where to look!
It seems we have another Sire who may give the James Cauty machine a run for the crown!
Will post specs when the email drops.
From what I understand you have to send email to iratatatat@yahoo.de with subject "propaganda". Presale for previous supporters will happen soon! Online sale later today!
RATA's first 2 releases can be tracked down, if you know where to look!
It seems we have another Sire who may give the James Cauty machine a run for the crown!
Will post specs when the email drops.
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New RATA print release., by bigwilly on Mar 28, 2010 23:15:17 GMT 1, pass..........................................
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f5ers
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New RATA print release., by f5ers on Mar 28, 2010 23:48:34 GMT 1, Photos .. photos.. photos!!!!!
Photos .. photos.. photos!!!!!
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iratasan
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New RATA print release., by iratasan on Mar 29, 2010 3:47:53 GMT 1, Vietnamese Fried Monk
- pop version, 11.7'' x 8.3'', signed numbered, giclee, run of 69,
39 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe to everywhere
- hand finished version, 11.7'' x 8.3'', signed numbered, giclee,
hand finished splatters, run of 30, 69 USD + 20 USD for
international shipping from europe to everywhere
- screen print version, 19.45x12.6 inches, run of 30, signed,
numbered, 69 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe
- screen print version handfinished, 19.45x12.6 inches, run of 20,
signed, numbered, handfinished, 129 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe to everywhere
screen printed versions will be shipped in three weeks.
regulars:
hand finished:
Vietnamese Fried Monk - pop version, 11.7'' x 8.3'', signed numbered, giclee, run of 69, 39 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe to everywhere - hand finished version, 11.7'' x 8.3'', signed numbered, giclee, hand finished splatters, run of 30, 69 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe to everywhere - screen print version, 19.45x12.6 inches, run of 30, signed, numbered, 69 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe - screen print version handfinished, 19.45x12.6 inches, run of 20, signed, numbered, handfinished, 129 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe to everywhere screen printed versions will be shipped in three weeks. regulars: hand finished: |
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krypto
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New RATA print release., by krypto on Mar 29, 2010 5:08:11 GMT 1, An uninspired addition of a KFC logo, to me has no meaning , no depth,is pointless and looks like an immature attempt to cash in on a world moving event.
To remedy this i post the story of the man who commited this public act of self-immolation.
"The last words of Thรญch Quảng Đức before his self-immolation were documented in a letter he had left:
Before closing my eyes and moving towards the vision of the Buddha, I respectfully plead to President Ngo Dinh Diem to take a mind of compassion towards the people of the nation and implement religious equality to maintain the strength of the homeland eternally. I call the venerables, reverends, members of the sangha and the lay Buddhists to organise in solidarity to make sacrifices to protect Buddhism.
David Halberstam wrote:
I was to see that sight again, but once was enough. Flames were coming from a human being; his body was slowly withering and shriveling up, his head blackening and charring. In the air was the smell of burning human flesh; human beings burn surprisingly quickly. Behind me I could hear the sobbing of the Vietnamese who were now gathering. I was too shocked to cry, too confused to take notes or ask questions, too bewildered to even think... As he burned he never moved a muscle, never uttered a sound, his outward composure in sharp contrast to the wailing people around him.
Police who tried to reach him could not break through the circle of Buddhist clergy. One of the policemen threw himself to the ground and prostrated himself in front of Thรญch Quảng Đức in reverence.The spectators were mostly stunned into silence, but some wailed and several began praying. Many of the monks and nuns, as well as some shocked passersby, prostrated themselves before the burning monk. In English and Vietnamese, a monk repeatedly declared into a microphone, "A Buddhist priest burns himself to death. A Buddhist priest becomes a martyr."
After approximately ten minutes, Thรญch Quảng Đức's body toppled forward onto the street and the fire subsided. A group of monks covered the smoking corpse with yellow robes, picked it up and tried to fit it into a coffin, but the limbs could not be bent and one of the arms protruded from the wooden box as he was carried to the nearby Xa Loi Pagoda in central Saigon. Outside the pagoda, students unfurled bilingual banners which read: "A Buddhist priest burns himself for our five requests." By 13:30, around one thousand monks had congregated inside Xa Loi to hold a meeting while outside a large crowd of pro-Buddhist students had formed a human barrier around it. The meeting soon ended and all but a hundred monks slowly left the compound. Nearly one thousand monks accompanied by laypeople returned to the cremation site. The police lingered nearby. At around 18:00, 30 nuns and six monks were arrested for holding a prayer meeting on the street outside Xa Loi Pagoda. The police then encircled the pagoda, blocking public passage and giving observers the impression that an armed siege was imminent by donning riot gear. That evening, thousands of Saigonese claimed to have seen a vision of the Buddha's face in the sky as the sun had set. They claimed that in the vision the Buddha was weeping.
from wikipedia.
An uninspired addition of a KFC logo, to me has no meaning , no depth,is pointless and looks like an immature attempt to cash in on a world moving event.
To remedy this i post the story of the man who commited this public act of self-immolation.
"The last words of Thรญch Quảng Đức before his self-immolation were documented in a letter he had left:
Before closing my eyes and moving towards the vision of the Buddha, I respectfully plead to President Ngo Dinh Diem to take a mind of compassion towards the people of the nation and implement religious equality to maintain the strength of the homeland eternally. I call the venerables, reverends, members of the sangha and the lay Buddhists to organise in solidarity to make sacrifices to protect Buddhism.
David Halberstam wrote:
I was to see that sight again, but once was enough. Flames were coming from a human being; his body was slowly withering and shriveling up, his head blackening and charring. In the air was the smell of burning human flesh; human beings burn surprisingly quickly. Behind me I could hear the sobbing of the Vietnamese who were now gathering. I was too shocked to cry, too confused to take notes or ask questions, too bewildered to even think... As he burned he never moved a muscle, never uttered a sound, his outward composure in sharp contrast to the wailing people around him.
Police who tried to reach him could not break through the circle of Buddhist clergy. One of the policemen threw himself to the ground and prostrated himself in front of Thรญch Quảng Đức in reverence.The spectators were mostly stunned into silence, but some wailed and several began praying. Many of the monks and nuns, as well as some shocked passersby, prostrated themselves before the burning monk. In English and Vietnamese, a monk repeatedly declared into a microphone, "A Buddhist priest burns himself to death. A Buddhist priest becomes a martyr."
After approximately ten minutes, Thรญch Quảng Đức's body toppled forward onto the street and the fire subsided. A group of monks covered the smoking corpse with yellow robes, picked it up and tried to fit it into a coffin, but the limbs could not be bent and one of the arms protruded from the wooden box as he was carried to the nearby Xa Loi Pagoda in central Saigon. Outside the pagoda, students unfurled bilingual banners which read: "A Buddhist priest burns himself for our five requests." By 13:30, around one thousand monks had congregated inside Xa Loi to hold a meeting while outside a large crowd of pro-Buddhist students had formed a human barrier around it. The meeting soon ended and all but a hundred monks slowly left the compound. Nearly one thousand monks accompanied by laypeople returned to the cremation site. The police lingered nearby. At around 18:00, 30 nuns and six monks were arrested for holding a prayer meeting on the street outside Xa Loi Pagoda. The police then encircled the pagoda, blocking public passage and giving observers the impression that an armed siege was imminent by donning riot gear. That evening, thousands of Saigonese claimed to have seen a vision of the Buddha's face in the sky as the sun had set. They claimed that in the vision the Buddha was weeping.
from wikipedia.
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iratasan
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New RATA print release., by iratasan on Mar 29, 2010 8:32:50 GMT 1, and now comes the point. what really changed through this world moving event that affects us POSITIVELY in any way? it's good footage, that's what it is. an instant argument substitude that anybody can pull out of his ass by simply writing two lines of disapproval followed by a copypasta by someone else. that's not an argument. there is a thesis, but not proof and no notes. so thats 1/3. epic fail. knowledge about the factual surroundings of an event without the ability to put it in context makes that information useless. in this case not even the knowledge was proven.
a piece of shocking media coverage that will make people in front of the TV say "damn, that's terrible". "but but but it makes people think and inspire them do change their views and possibly do good" you might say, but then you haven't dealt much with people before.
look at the state of the world today and society today. did we evolve into creatures that think for ourselves and force our leaders to resign if we are not satisfied by their actions or even try to live without leaders. did we start to finally come together and find solutions for local or even global problem? fuck no.
same hypocrisy we ever had just in higher doses. sitting in our 1st world appartments, reading a book or wathcing a docu about terrible events and thinking how terrible it all is but then not going out and seriously changing the world is just talk without action and therfore worthless. not giving a shit might be ignorant, but at least it is honest.
your post was exactly the kind of answer that i wanted to provoke. the feeling ob moral superiority without actually doing or archieving anything. kinda like starting a bar fight and then wear a gandhi shirt the next day to make up for it.
you can have all the good intentions in the world, know every single horrible event ever happemned and try to imagine all that pain and how wrong it is, at the end of the day it did not mean anything unless you go out and do something big.
i haven't heard of a crowd really changing anything since the french revolution.
but hey, who really needs to care if you can pretend to yourself that you do repeatingly until you start to believe it yourself,.
and now comes the point. what really changed through this world moving event that affects us POSITIVELY in any way? it's good footage, that's what it is. an instant argument substitude that anybody can pull out of his ass by simply writing two lines of disapproval followed by a copypasta by someone else. that's not an argument. there is a thesis, but not proof and no notes. so thats 1/3. epic fail. knowledge about the factual surroundings of an event without the ability to put it in context makes that information useless. in this case not even the knowledge was proven.
a piece of shocking media coverage that will make people in front of the TV say "damn, that's terrible". "but but but it makes people think and inspire them do change their views and possibly do good" you might say, but then you haven't dealt much with people before.
look at the state of the world today and society today. did we evolve into creatures that think for ourselves and force our leaders to resign if we are not satisfied by their actions or even try to live without leaders. did we start to finally come together and find solutions for local or even global problem? fuck no.
same hypocrisy we ever had just in higher doses. sitting in our 1st world appartments, reading a book or wathcing a docu about terrible events and thinking how terrible it all is but then not going out and seriously changing the world is just talk without action and therfore worthless. not giving a shit might be ignorant, but at least it is honest.
your post was exactly the kind of answer that i wanted to provoke. the feeling ob moral superiority without actually doing or archieving anything. kinda like starting a bar fight and then wear a gandhi shirt the next day to make up for it.
you can have all the good intentions in the world, know every single horrible event ever happemned and try to imagine all that pain and how wrong it is, at the end of the day it did not mean anything unless you go out and do something big.
i haven't heard of a crowd really changing anything since the french revolution.
but hey, who really needs to care if you can pretend to yourself that you do repeatingly until you start to believe it yourself,.
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New RATA print release., by borusa on Mar 29, 2010 9:06:23 GMT 1, Vietnamese Fried Monk - pop version, 11.7'' x 8.3'', signed numbered, giclee, run of 69, 39 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe to everywhere - hand finished version, 11.7'' x 8.3'', signed numbered, giclee, hand finished splatters, run of 30, 69 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe to everywhere - screen print version, 19.45x12.6 inches, run of 30, signed, numbered, 69 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe - screen print version handfinished, 19.45x12.6 inches, run of 20, signed, numbered, handfinished, 129 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe to everywhere screen printed versions will be shipped in three weeks. regulars: hand finished:
Are you serious ?
What point are you trying to make with this?
I know i will get banned for saying this , but this is such terrible idea with an almost childlike degree of humour. The very worst piece of art I have seen for a long time.
Vietnamese Fried Monk - pop version, 11.7'' x 8.3'', signed numbered, giclee, run of 69, 39 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe to everywhere - hand finished version, 11.7'' x 8.3'', signed numbered, giclee, hand finished splatters, run of 30, 69 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe to everywhere - screen print version, 19.45x12.6 inches, run of 30, signed, numbered, 69 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe - screen print version handfinished, 19.45x12.6 inches, run of 20, signed, numbered, handfinished, 129 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe to everywhere screen printed versions will be shipped in three weeks. regulars: hand finished: Are you serious ? What point are you trying to make with this? I know i will get banned for saying this , but this is such terrible idea with an almost childlike degree of humour. The very worst piece of art I have seen for a long time. |
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Karl Read
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New RATA print release., by Karl Read on Mar 29, 2010 9:17:20 GMT 1, Agree with the post above, AWFUL!
Agree with the post above, AWFUL!
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spirit
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New RATA print release., by spirit on Mar 29, 2010 9:44:06 GMT 1, and now comes the point. what really changed through this world moving event that affects us POSITIVELY in any way? it's good footage, that's what it is. an instant argument substitude that anybody can pull out of his ass by simply writing two lines of disapproval followed by a copypasta by someone else. that's not an argument. there is a thesis, but not proof and no notes. so thats 1/3. epic fail. knowledge about the factual surroundings of an event without the ability to put it in context makes that information useless. in this case not even the knowledge was proven. a piece of shocking media coverage that will make people in front of the TV say "damn, that's terrible". "but but but it makes people think and inspire them do change their views and possibly do good" you might say, but then you haven't dealt much with people before. look at the state of the world today and society today. did we evolve into creatures that think for ourselves and force our leaders to resign if we are not satisfied by their actions or even try to live without leaders. did we start to finally come together and find solutions for local or even global problem? f**k no. same hypocrisy we ever had just in higher doses. sitting in our 1st world appartments, reading a book or wathcing a docu about terrible events and thinking how terrible it all is but then not going out and seriously changing the world is just talk without action and therfore worthless. not giving a s**t might be ignorant, but at least it is honest. your post was exactly the kind of answer that i wanted to provoke. the feeling ob moral superiority without actually doing or archieving anything. kinda like starting a bar fight and then wear a gandhi shirt the next day to make up for it. you can have all the good intentions in the world, know every single horrible event ever happemned and try to imagine all that pain and how wrong it is, at the end of the day it did not mean anything unless you go out and do something big. i haven't heard of a crowd really changing anything since the french revolution. but hey, who really needs to care if you can pretend to yourself that you do repeatingly until you start to believe it yourself,.
I've read your "point" twice but still have very little idea about what it is and what you are on about.. What is this print release going to change? Nothing I suspect, except for your bank balance (you hope). Is this your idea of "going out and doing something big"? Is this even your photograph? Did you take it? Or are you just trying to cash in on both someone's suffering and someone eles's work? Very poor "work" and in very bad taste...
and now comes the point. what really changed through this world moving event that affects us POSITIVELY in any way? it's good footage, that's what it is. an instant argument substitude that anybody can pull out of his ass by simply writing two lines of disapproval followed by a copypasta by someone else. that's not an argument. there is a thesis, but not proof and no notes. so thats 1/3. epic fail. knowledge about the factual surroundings of an event without the ability to put it in context makes that information useless. in this case not even the knowledge was proven. a piece of shocking media coverage that will make people in front of the TV say "damn, that's terrible". "but but but it makes people think and inspire them do change their views and possibly do good" you might say, but then you haven't dealt much with people before. look at the state of the world today and society today. did we evolve into creatures that think for ourselves and force our leaders to resign if we are not satisfied by their actions or even try to live without leaders. did we start to finally come together and find solutions for local or even global problem? f**k no. same hypocrisy we ever had just in higher doses. sitting in our 1st world appartments, reading a book or wathcing a docu about terrible events and thinking how terrible it all is but then not going out and seriously changing the world is just talk without action and therfore worthless. not giving a s**t might be ignorant, but at least it is honest. your post was exactly the kind of answer that i wanted to provoke. the feeling ob moral superiority without actually doing or archieving anything. kinda like starting a bar fight and then wear a gandhi shirt the next day to make up for it. you can have all the good intentions in the world, know every single horrible event ever happemned and try to imagine all that pain and how wrong it is, at the end of the day it did not mean anything unless you go out and do something big. i haven't heard of a crowd really changing anything since the french revolution. but hey, who really needs to care if you can pretend to yourself that you do repeatingly until you start to believe it yourself,. I've read your "point" twice but still have very little idea about what it is and what you are on about.. What is this print release going to change? Nothing I suspect, except for your bank balance (you hope). Is this your idea of "going out and doing something big"? Is this even your photograph? Did you take it? Or are you just trying to cash in on both someone's suffering and someone eles's work? Very poor "work" and in very bad taste... |
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Cedric Mnich
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bmjt
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New RATA print release., by bmjt on Mar 29, 2010 10:28:01 GMT 1, Disgusting, disrespectful, distasteful, diabolical.
Disgusting, disrespectful, distasteful, diabolical.
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Curley
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New RATA print release., by Curley on Mar 29, 2010 12:20:48 GMT 1, Vietnamese Fried Monk - pop version, 11.7'' x 8.3'', signed numbered, giclee, run of 69, 39 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe to everywhere - hand finished version, 11.7'' x 8.3'', signed numbered, giclee, hand finished splatters, run of 30, 69 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe to everywhere - screen print version, 19.45x12.6 inches, run of 30, signed, numbered, 69 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe - screen print version handfinished, 19.45x12.6 inches, run of 20, signed, numbered, handfinished, 129 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe to everywhere screen printed versions will be shipped in three weeks. regulars: hand finished: Are you serious ? What point are you trying to make with this? I know i will get banned for saying this , but this is such terrible idea with an almost childlike degree of humour. The very worst piece of art I have seen for a long time.
I have to agree, very bad taste.
Vietnamese Fried Monk - pop version, 11.7'' x 8.3'', signed numbered, giclee, run of 69, 39 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe to everywhere - hand finished version, 11.7'' x 8.3'', signed numbered, giclee, hand finished splatters, run of 30, 69 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe to everywhere - screen print version, 19.45x12.6 inches, run of 30, signed, numbered, 69 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe - screen print version handfinished, 19.45x12.6 inches, run of 20, signed, numbered, handfinished, 129 USD + 20 USD for international shipping from europe to everywhere screen printed versions will be shipped in three weeks. regulars: hand finished: Are you serious ? What point are you trying to make with this? I know i will get banned for saying this , but this is such terrible idea with an almost childlike degree of humour. The very worst piece of art I have seen for a long time. I have to agree, very bad taste. |
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nah
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New RATA print release., by nah on Mar 29, 2010 12:55:49 GMT 1, hahaha ban this t**t
hahaha ban this t**t
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cpo
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New RATA print release., by cpo on Mar 29, 2010 13:23:55 GMT 1, Give the guy some credit! He has made both Cartrain and MBW relevant and impressive (in comparison) using just one s**t piece of 'artwork!'
Give the guy some credit! He has made both Cartrain and MBW relevant and impressive (in comparison) using just one s**t piece of 'artwork!'
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walters
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New RATA print release., by walters on Mar 29, 2010 13:29:23 GMT 1, this is absolutely crap.
this is absolutely crap.
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weeble
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New RATA print release., by weeble on Mar 29, 2010 14:18:47 GMT 1, Holy crap, bad taste is one thing, but this is just plain bad!
Holy crap, bad taste is one thing, but this is just plain bad!
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rsj
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New RATA print release., by rsj on Mar 29, 2010 15:06:54 GMT 1, Basing works on someone else's often-copyrighted images seems to be a recurring trend in a lot of the pop/urban art, so RATA hasn't done much differently in that respect. I believe the reason why it invoked some members such negative feedbacks was the fact that we are seeing a human burning in the photo. And to turn this historical photo into a very thin and cheap "VFM" joke - did anyone laugh? - feels rather disrespectful.
One thing though, for some people, it might be the first time they've encountered the story of Thรญch Quảng Đức, and if this inspired them to do their research on the subject and learn something, then this print release might have done a little bit of good. However, I doubt (m)any people would want to put this image on their walls!
Basing works on someone else's often-copyrighted images seems to be a recurring trend in a lot of the pop/urban art, so RATA hasn't done much differently in that respect. I believe the reason why it invoked some members such negative feedbacks was the fact that we are seeing a human burning in the photo. And to turn this historical photo into a very thin and cheap "VFM" joke - did anyone laugh? - feels rather disrespectful. One thing though, for some people, it might be the first time they've encountered the story of Thรญch Quảng Đức, and if this inspired them to do their research on the subject and learn something, then this print release might have done a little bit of good. However, I doubt (m)any people would want to put this image on their walls! |
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iratasan
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New RATA print release., by iratasan on Mar 29, 2010 15:23:21 GMT 1, rjs, thank you very much for being the only one who is at leat trying to put it into context.
also, bjmt "Disgusting, disrespectful, distasteful, diabolical. " hahaha. thank you very much, i actually quite like that.
as for the others:
hahah. thank you so much for repeatingly proving my point. i give ya a hint. the point is hypocrisy. actually it is pretty amusing to see the self proclaimed intellectual, artistic and moral elite and saviours of the world sit back in the cozy comfort of pretending to care while not being able to spill out a conclusive criticism.
you have reached a level where you look at every single piece of art from the very same angle, most likely because 90% of street artists use exactly the same angle to look at. i knew that it would some be easy to trick you into this behaviour or even worse watch how you trick yourself into this behaviour.
the convenient self-induced illusion of revolt through copypasting links from a 1st world home comfort without understanding the lack of impact by doing so.
also grabbing my words and put them out of context by intentionally reversing my claim that talk without action has no meaning into a claim of myself doing something big is pretty cheap. interesting to see that the ones criticising the system actually manage to copy the the same rethorical methods for their own use. turning a question into a claim and therefore making it open for mockery? yawn. 9th grade debate team level.
it is funny that you ask me if i am the one cashing in on others peoples sufferings.
maybe that makes it a bit easier for you:
look at the artwork again and think:
"cashing in on others peoples sufferings"
do you still not even have the slightest idea what it is that i am trying to say? not even the slightest efford to step out of the viewpoint that got indoctrined by looking at the same stuff over and over again, agreeing with the same people about the same stuff? really?
and the supporting "hot sauce" print does not give anybody a hint about the direction the criticism is aimed at?
i am not interested in raising interest in the original story about the monk. it has been done already and is therfore of no interest to me and even further would be enough for me to justify an artwork. i don't settle for that. it is not THAT easy!!!! if you want to scratch on the surface by tricking people into reading about an event that has "shocked the world" (buhuu) and consider that "change" then ok, but to me that's pretty close to doing and saying nothing.
the anger, open hostility and childlike rants in this post give a pretty interesting insight.
how dare i to shake your rusted mindsets by showing you a different picture after you have been looking at the same one for ages now and then even dare to tell you it is not the same, since you grew so comfortable looking at the old one?
seing all this made it already very well worth creating this print. well, the low amount of people actually trying to understand the message before falling into stereotypical, yeah almost fascist bashing of anything unknown, while acting like saints, of course is worrying, but that's how the media-damaged mind works nowadays. as proven here for the majority it is not about the actual impact rather than finding a premade mindset that they can agree on, no matter if it is a religion, a sports, movies or pretending to safe the world. then swallow it, find some pals to connect and then seal up the mind.
at the end of the day that's not an archievement and to most people that leaves forever the fear of someone taking away that illusion.
looking foward to expand this experience.
rjs, thank you very much for being the only one who is at leat trying to put it into context. also, bjmt "Disgusting, disrespectful, distasteful, diabolical. " hahaha. thank you very much, i actually quite like that. as for the others: hahah. thank you so much for repeatingly proving my point. i give ya a hint. the point is hypocrisy. actually it is pretty amusing to see the self proclaimed intellectual, artistic and moral elite and saviours of the world sit back in the cozy comfort of pretending to care while not being able to spill out a conclusive criticism. you have reached a level where you look at every single piece of art from the very same angle, most likely because 90% of street artists use exactly the same angle to look at. i knew that it would some be easy to trick you into this behaviour or even worse watch how you trick yourself into this behaviour. the convenient self-induced illusion of revolt through copypasting links from a 1st world home comfort without understanding the lack of impact by doing so. also grabbing my words and put them out of context by intentionally reversing my claim that talk without action has no meaning into a claim of myself doing something big is pretty cheap. interesting to see that the ones criticising the system actually manage to copy the the same rethorical methods for their own use. turning a question into a claim and therefore making it open for mockery? yawn. 9th grade debate team level. it is funny that you ask me if i am the one cashing in on others peoples sufferings. maybe that makes it a bit easier for you: look at the artwork again and think: "cashing in on others peoples sufferings" do you still not even have the slightest idea what it is that i am trying to say? not even the slightest efford to step out of the viewpoint that got indoctrined by looking at the same stuff over and over again, agreeing with the same people about the same stuff? really? and the supporting "hot sauce" print does not give anybody a hint about the direction the criticism is aimed at? i am not interested in raising interest in the original story about the monk. it has been done already and is therfore of no interest to me and even further would be enough for me to justify an artwork. i don't settle for that. it is not THAT easy!!!! if you want to scratch on the surface by tricking people into reading about an event that has "shocked the world" (buhuu) and consider that "change" then ok, but to me that's pretty close to doing and saying nothing. the anger, open hostility and childlike rants in this post give a pretty interesting insight. how dare i to shake your rusted mindsets by showing you a different picture after you have been looking at the same one for ages now and then even dare to tell you it is not the same, since you grew so comfortable looking at the old one? seing all this made it already very well worth creating this print. well, the low amount of people actually trying to understand the message before falling into stereotypical, yeah almost fascist bashing of anything unknown, while acting like saints, of course is worrying, but that's how the media-damaged mind works nowadays. as proven here for the majority it is not about the actual impact rather than finding a premade mindset that they can agree on, no matter if it is a religion, a sports, movies or pretending to safe the world. then swallow it, find some pals to connect and then seal up the mind. at the end of the day that's not an archievement and to most people that leaves forever the fear of someone taking away that illusion. looking foward to expand this experience. |
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New RATA print release., by Cedric Mnich on Mar 29, 2010 15:32:28 GMT 1, Well, from my humble point of view (I knew that pic and one should notice the monk was erased with smoke, don't know why) the reappropriation of existing famous pics can have an interesting point when it's done cleverly. The Banksy re-use of the famous reporter pic of a young girl burnt by napalm and showing Mickey and McDonald had a very powerful political message about American Imperialism based on mass consumption products. I hate criticizing artists works because I know critics can be painful but I see no food for thought here as the artist seems to pretend. Now, no need to be disrespectful to the artist either.
If you want to see a good joke on immolation, check here :
www.bulledair.com/index.php?rubrique=planche&album=idees_noires1
It was drawn about 20 or 30 years ago when there was an oil crisis and gas was expensive :-) It was obviously inspired by the same event.
Well, from my humble point of view (I knew that pic and one should notice the monk was erased with smoke, don't know why) the reappropriation of existing famous pics can have an interesting point when it's done cleverly. The Banksy re-use of the famous reporter pic of a young girl burnt by napalm and showing Mickey and McDonald had a very powerful political message about American Imperialism based on mass consumption products. I hate criticizing artists works because I know critics can be painful but I see no food for thought here as the artist seems to pretend. Now, no need to be disrespectful to the artist either. If you want to see a good joke on immolation, check here : www.bulledair.com/index.php?rubrique=planche&album=idees_noires1It was drawn about 20 or 30 years ago when there was an oil crisis and gas was expensive :-) It was obviously inspired by the same event. |
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New RATA print release., by hoodwink on Mar 29, 2010 15:51:09 GMT 1, There may or may not be a valid message in this image, but on a technical level, the appalling use of photoshop really bothers me.
There may or may not be a valid message in this image, but on a technical level, the appalling use of photoshop really bothers me.
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New RATA print release., by Hanging Around on Mar 29, 2010 15:52:25 GMT 1, yawn. 9th grade debate team level.
yawn. 9th grade art class.
yawn. 9th grade debate team level. yawn. 9th grade art class. |
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New RATA print release., by willywonka on Mar 29, 2010 15:57:25 GMT 1, I don't like the image but always good to see an "artist" getting narky with responses to their artwork.
I don't like the image but always good to see an "artist" getting narky with responses to their artwork.
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New RATA print release., by schlomo on Mar 29, 2010 16:18:04 GMT 1, and now comes the point. what really changed through this world moving event that affects us POSITIVELY in any way? it's good footage, that's what it is.
You are joking right? how about the fact that it stopped the persecution and killing of countless Buddhists in Vietnam? I would say that was quite a positive thing to come out of Duc's sacrifice.
I wont comment on the piece, enough people have already and your responses show a lack of maturity so i cant be bothered to get into a debate with you.
and now comes the point. what really changed through this world moving event that affects us POSITIVELY in any way? it's good footage, that's what it is. You are joking right? how about the fact that it stopped the persecution and killing of countless Buddhists in Vietnam? I would say that was quite a positive thing to come out of Duc's sacrifice. I wont comment on the piece, enough people have already and your responses show a lack of maturity so i cant be bothered to get into a debate with you. |
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Cedric Mnich
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New RATA print release., by Cedric Mnich on Mar 29, 2010 16:19:17 GMT 1, Well iratasan, you are obviously on the defensive but I don't think telling people they are "self proclaimed intellectual, artistic and moral elite and saviours of the world sitting back in the cozy comfort of pretending to care while not being able to spill out a conclusive criticism" or that people all think alike according a predetermined or societal way of thinking just because just because they say your art is crap.
I don't know if there is a valid message here and obviously people don't even want to care. Then you miss your point.
and you seem on pretty high consideration of yourself claiming that people here is "copypasting links from a 1st world home comfort without understanding the lack of impact by doing so."
What I see here is an artist copypasting a famous piece of a photo reporter, Malcolm Brown (which won the World Press Photo Award of 1963 it seems) and making poor photoshopping from his 1st world computer and a 6th grade joke about fried monk.
No offense but you seem to claim we are too pretentious to be able to understand your art which makes you even more pretentious.
Now I see you edited your post to say in substance :
"Here is an image I made. You don't get the message and dislike it ? aha you fell into my trap, gotcha, you are a bunch of pretending people, you are not even able to think out of the box you bunch of fascists".
You almost just deserve a Godwin point here. If you're not able to defend or explain your art without saying people are acting like fascists, your art certainly does not deserve the attention it gets.
Well iratasan, you are obviously on the defensive but I don't think telling people they are "self proclaimed intellectual, artistic and moral elite and saviours of the world sitting back in the cozy comfort of pretending to care while not being able to spill out a conclusive criticism" or that people all think alike according a predetermined or societal way of thinking just because just because they say your art is crap. I don't know if there is a valid message here and obviously people don't even want to care. Then you miss your point. and you seem on pretty high consideration of yourself claiming that people here is "copypasting links from a 1st world home comfort without understanding the lack of impact by doing so." What I see here is an artist copypasting a famous piece of a photo reporter, Malcolm Brown (which won the World Press Photo Award of 1963 it seems) and making poor photoshopping from his 1st world computer and a 6th grade joke about fried monk. No offense but you seem to claim we are too pretentious to be able to understand your art which makes you even more pretentious. Now I see you edited your post to say in substance : "Here is an image I made. You don't get the message and dislike it ? aha you fell into my trap, gotcha, you are a bunch of pretending people, you are not even able to think out of the box you bunch of fascists". You almost just deserve a Godwin point here. If you're not able to defend or explain your art without saying people are acting like fascists, your art certainly does not deserve the attention it gets. |
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iratasan
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New RATA print release., by iratasan on Mar 29, 2010 16:22:46 GMT 1,
Well, from my humble point of view (I knew that pic and one should notice the monk was erased with smoke, don't know why) the reappropriation of existing famous pics can have an interesting point when it's done cleverly. The Banksy re-use of the famous reporter pic of a young girl burnt by napalm and showing Mickey and McDonald had a very powerful political message about American Imperialism based on mass consumption products. I hate criticizing artists works because I know critics can be painful but I see no food for thought here as the artist seems to pretend. Now, no need to be disrespectful to the artist either. If you want to see a good joke on immolation, check here : www.bulledair.com/index.php?rubrique=planche&album=idees_noires1It was drawn about 20 or 30 years ago when there was an oil crisis and gas was expensive :-) It was obviously inspired by the same event.
no problem at all man. criticism is always welcome. god, to be honest after the first bunch of posters i am actually glad to see that there are a couple of people here that seem to have the ability to think for themselves and articulate interesting points that have something to do with the matter in question.
agreed on the banksy artwork.
please keep in mind though that he works different then i.
banksys method is like: look at this, research it.
that is not enough for me. check out all of my artworks so far and see the bigger picture. the overall concept of tricking modern society into revealing it's own hypocrisy over and over again, combined with the individual message of each artwork and/or series is just a 1/4th of the concept.
people are so easily trapped into revealing their true mind set. as with this one it could have gone better. look at the start of this post: strangers revealed their personality flaws to me and you and the rest of the world. all i had to do was show them a pic. i did not make any claim, i did not explain. one button pushed and look how people that are members of an art forum that is dedicated to an artist who's message is positive and in the spirit of open mindness and changing the world for the good lose theirr masks and act all 1984.
lol. that's kinda ironic. the whole thing reminds me of the "2 minutes hate" in 1984.
thank you very much for your post. it was refreshing to think about your points.
Edit: reading your second response i might gave ya too much credit, but nevertheless i give ya props for trying. 
actually i have nothing to defend here. thats another point people seem to miss out. what kind of reaction do you think i was exptecting? love and understanding? did you see my other works?
so the suggested aim was fame and love? yeah, blood, terrible world events for sure are a real career pusher.
i am more inspired by cauty, beuys and dadaism ...etc than regular street art, so no if you do not instantly get it that does not disprove the point.
now thinking about it i would like to expand the prints name to the following:
"Vietnamese Fried Monk (This is not a aburning monk)"
Well, from my humble point of view (I knew that pic and one should notice the monk was erased with smoke, don't know why) the reappropriation of existing famous pics can have an interesting point when it's done cleverly. The Banksy re-use of the famous reporter pic of a young girl burnt by napalm and showing Mickey and McDonald had a very powerful political message about American Imperialism based on mass consumption products. I hate criticizing artists works because I know critics can be painful but I see no food for thought here as the artist seems to pretend. Now, no need to be disrespectful to the artist either. If you want to see a good joke on immolation, check here : www.bulledair.com/index.php?rubrique=planche&album=idees_noires1It was drawn about 20 or 30 years ago when there was an oil crisis and gas was expensive :-) It was obviously inspired by the same event. no problem at all man. criticism is always welcome. god, to be honest after the first bunch of posters i am actually glad to see that there are a couple of people here that seem to have the ability to think for themselves and articulate interesting points that have something to do with the matter in question. agreed on the banksy artwork. please keep in mind though that he works different then i. banksys method is like: look at this, research it. that is not enough for me. check out all of my artworks so far and see the bigger picture. the overall concept of tricking modern society into revealing it's own hypocrisy over and over again, combined with the individual message of each artwork and/or series is just a 1/4th of the concept. people are so easily trapped into revealing their true mind set. as with this one it could have gone better. look at the start of this post: strangers revealed their personality flaws to me and you and the rest of the world. all i had to do was show them a pic. i did not make any claim, i did not explain. one button pushed and look how people that are members of an art forum that is dedicated to an artist who's message is positive and in the spirit of open mindness and changing the world for the good lose theirr masks and act all 1984. lol. that's kinda ironic. the whole thing reminds me of the "2 minutes hate" in 1984. thank you very much for your post. it was refreshing to think about your points. Edit: reading your second response i might gave ya too much credit, but nevertheless i give ya props for trying. actually i have nothing to defend here. thats another point people seem to miss out. what kind of reaction do you think i was exptecting? love and understanding? did you see my other works? so the suggested aim was fame and love? yeah, blood, terrible world events for sure are a real career pusher. i am more inspired by cauty, beuys and dadaism ...etc than regular street art, so no if you do not instantly get it that does not disprove the point. now thinking about it i would like to expand the prints name to the following: "Vietnamese Fried Monk (This is not a aburning monk)" |
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Cedric Mnich
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New RATA print release., by Cedric Mnich on Mar 29, 2010 16:35:11 GMT 1, Well I can get your point but I don't think you are reacting in a correct manner either. As an artist you always have to expect people saying "this is crap. final." They might be correct, they might be wrong. Many artworks can be done to have people think, react but it has to be done in a clever way. Even with your explanations, the sense of what you intended is not obvious. Therefore I think you missed your point. I'm not saying you're doing crap. But I do not understand this piece. And saying people are lacking an open mind on a forum dedicated to art is quite provocative. People here are certainly more used to think about art and its meaning than most people.
PS : I was already told my art was crap several times. It might be true. But one person liking my work is enough for me (well, ok, more people would be better for my sales LOL). I know Street Art on FB is collecting your work so it's all good eh, one can't be appreciated by everyone !
Well I can get your point but I don't think you are reacting in a correct manner either. As an artist you always have to expect people saying "this is crap. final." They might be correct, they might be wrong. Many artworks can be done to have people think, react but it has to be done in a clever way. Even with your explanations, the sense of what you intended is not obvious. Therefore I think you missed your point. I'm not saying you're doing crap. But I do not understand this piece. And saying people are lacking an open mind on a forum dedicated to art is quite provocative. People here are certainly more used to think about art and its meaning than most people.
PS : I was already told my art was crap several times. It might be true. But one person liking my work is enough for me (well, ok, more people would be better for my sales LOL). I know Street Art on FB is collecting your work so it's all good eh, one can't be appreciated by everyone !
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New RATA print release., by iratasan on Mar 29, 2010 16:43:46 GMT 1, Well I can get your point but I don't think you are reacting in a correct manner either. As an artist you always have to expect people saying "this is crap. final." They might be correct, they might be wrong. Many artworks can be done to have people think, react but it has to be done in a clever way. Even with your explanations, the sense of what you intended is not obvious. Therefore I think you missed your point. I'm not saying you're doing crap. But I do not understand this piece. And saying people are lacking an open mind on a forum dedicated to art is quite provocative. People here are certainly more used to think about art and its meaning than most people.
i respect that opinion, but it depends on the way you look at things. actually if you look at it from a different angle then it is pretty obvious. yes, i do not want to spill the beans from my side. i created it, i know what it means.
dude, thank you so much, thats exactly the point. you said that you do not understand it. that is an honest emotion.
did you read the rest of the post?
oh, this is not a general art forum. it is a banksy forum. fans of his art and his philosophy. if i had posted this at the matisse forum i would understand if people would get offended.
Well I can get your point but I don't think you are reacting in a correct manner either. As an artist you always have to expect people saying "this is crap. final." They might be correct, they might be wrong. Many artworks can be done to have people think, react but it has to be done in a clever way. Even with your explanations, the sense of what you intended is not obvious. Therefore I think you missed your point. I'm not saying you're doing crap. But I do not understand this piece. And saying people are lacking an open mind on a forum dedicated to art is quite provocative. People here are certainly more used to think about art and its meaning than most people. i respect that opinion, but it depends on the way you look at things. actually if you look at it from a different angle then it is pretty obvious. yes, i do not want to spill the beans from my side. i created it, i know what it means. dude, thank you so much, thats exactly the point. you said that you do not understand it. that is an honest emotion. did you read the rest of the post? oh, this is not a general art forum. it is a banksy forum. fans of his art and his philosophy. if i had posted this at the matisse forum i would understand if people would get offended. |
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New RATA print release., by Cedric Mnich on Mar 29, 2010 16:46:48 GMT 1, PS : Yes I saw a few your other works (at least splashed shit and nazi youth). I'm not saying you're looking for love and understanding. I don't think so, your art is obviously provocative so I assume you want to provoke strong reactions among people.
You said earlier you were not interested in the monk's story. Why ? And why did you erase him with smoke ?
PS : Yes I saw a few your other works (at least splashed shit and nazi youth). I'm not saying you're looking for love and understanding. I don't think so, your art is obviously provocative so I assume you want to provoke strong reactions among people.
You said earlier you were not interested in the monk's story. Why ? And why did you erase him with smoke ?
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New RATA print release., by Cedric Mnich on Mar 29, 2010 16:55:54 GMT 1, "i created it, i know what it means. "
Yes, but if you are selling prints you should expect that people question your work. When I buy a piece of art, I want to understand it. It's like people talking and when people don't get what they say, they reply "nevermind, I understand myself". Cool. But there is no communication then.
Yes, I did read your posts, some even twice because I could not get your points.
It might not be a general art forum but I think it is no longer a banksy forum. It is all about urban art it seems and even to a bigger extent about printed art. So your art certainly has its place here. But you should expect reactions :-)
"i created it, i know what it means. "
Yes, but if you are selling prints you should expect that people question your work. When I buy a piece of art, I want to understand it. It's like people talking and when people don't get what they say, they reply "nevermind, I understand myself". Cool. But there is no communication then.
Yes, I did read your posts, some even twice because I could not get your points.
It might not be a general art forum but I think it is no longer a banksy forum. It is all about urban art it seems and even to a bigger extent about printed art. So your art certainly has its place here. But you should expect reactions :-)
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