Pure Evil
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CITYGROOVE / URBAN ART CENTRAL = knobheads, by Pure Evil on Feb 2, 2010 19:39:20 GMT 1, citygroove.de/2793579cf70b82304/2793579cf90a52002/index.php4
They are doing a SMUDGE and selling prints and posters of street art... There is a big hoo-haa about them in Berlin at the moment...
Heres a press release about it...
Dear Press & Media,
A group of berlin based streetartists asked me to pass you the following information. Itยดs about the conflict between the streetart scene and the company "citygroove.de" which seems to have escalated far beyond the controversy in the net.
Since a while Citygroove is selling postcards, magnets, posters and calenders with art and designs of public works by the majority of berlins streetartists via Internet and in 4-5 different Shops they own in Berlin named "Buchbox".
Previolsy the company neither asked for permission nor allowed the artists to participate on the generated profits. The artists consider this as violation of their intellectual property rights and the commercialisation of their artform.
After the artists vented their anger about the exploitation of their art in different blogs and homepages in the net the owner of citygroove.de threatens them to take legal steps and to reveal their real identities to the officials.
This clash with citygroove is already much harder and more emotional by now than the one about the "Urban Art Guide" by adidas last year. Personally iยดm not sure how to end this dispute in peace as there already have been colourbombs and massive threats. As citygroove.de doesnยดt sell his products in Berlin only, but also distributes his urban art prints & posters etc. in Paris, Barcelona, Budapest & London it can be assumed that these cities & artists will be envolved in the conflict soon.
My hope is that this argument looses a lot of its aggression through a public Discussion and objective report, because last but not least itยดs about the central question: Who owns street art?
Within this mail you find links to the blogs and homepages, where this conflict blazed up in the last days - the owner of citygroove wants to institute legal proceedings if these comments arenยดt deleted within the next 12 hours, please judge yourself: (sorry most of the comments are in german)
just.blogsport.de/2010/01/27/das-goldene-stueck-2009/#comments
just.blogsport.de/2010/02/01/neues-vom-fall-citygroove/#comments
www.flickr.com/photos/lieberprost/4301838219/
citygroove.de/
citygroove.de/2793579cf70b82304/2793579cf90a52002/index.php4They are doing a SMUDGE and selling prints and posters of street art... There is a big hoo-haa about them in Berlin at the moment... Heres a press release about it... Dear Press & Media, A group of berlin based streetartists asked me to pass you the following information. Itยดs about the conflict between the streetart scene and the company "citygroove.de" which seems to have escalated far beyond the controversy in the net. Since a while Citygroove is selling postcards, magnets, posters and calenders with art and designs of public works by the majority of berlins streetartists via Internet and in 4-5 different Shops they own in Berlin named "Buchbox". Previolsy the company neither asked for permission nor allowed the artists to participate on the generated profits. The artists consider this as violation of their intellectual property rights and the commercialisation of their artform. After the artists vented their anger about the exploitation of their art in different blogs and homepages in the net the owner of citygroove.de threatens them to take legal steps and to reveal their real identities to the officials. This clash with citygroove is already much harder and more emotional by now than the one about the "Urban Art Guide" by adidas last year. Personally iยดm not sure how to end this dispute in peace as there already have been colourbombs and massive threats. As citygroove.de doesnยดt sell his products in Berlin only, but also distributes his urban art prints & posters etc. in Paris, Barcelona, Budapest & London it can be assumed that these cities & artists will be envolved in the conflict soon. My hope is that this argument looses a lot of its aggression through a public Discussion and objective report, because last but not least itยดs about the central question: Who owns street art? Within this mail you find links to the blogs and homepages, where this conflict blazed up in the last days - the owner of citygroove wants to institute legal proceedings if these comments arenยดt deleted within the next 12 hours, please judge yourself: (sorry most of the comments are in german) just.blogsport.de/2010/01/27/das-goldene-stueck-2009/#commentsjust.blogsport.de/2010/02/01/neues-vom-fall-citygroove/#commentswww.flickr.com/photos/lieberprost/4301838219/citygroove.de/
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CITYGROOVE / URBAN ART CENTRAL = knobheads, by swamped on Feb 2, 2010 20:08:19 GMT 1, Looks like they take artist work like c215 as an example and photo shop the hell out of it an sell it as there own? If that is the case then they should take a long walk on a short pier, plain and simple. Make your own stuff up and make your own way in life, basically get some balls and do the right thing, remember karma is a bitch.
Looks like they take artist work like c215 as an example and photo shop the hell out of it an sell it as there own? If that is the case then they should take a long walk on a short pier, plain and simple. Make your own stuff up and make your own way in life, basically get some balls and do the right thing, remember karma is a bitch.
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CITYGROOVE / URBAN ART CENTRAL = knobheads, by Sliding on the Walls on Feb 3, 2010 13:03:16 GMT 1, Their site's now down. PE did you take them to Chinatown?!
Their site's now down. PE did you take them to Chinatown?!
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Pure Evil
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CITYGROOVE / URBAN ART CENTRAL = knobheads, by Pure Evil on Feb 3, 2010 15:31:52 GMT 1, Here is an update : THEYRE RENAMING AND MOVING TO LONDON AND LA AWESOME..
Hey Guys,
...first victory!!!... citygroove.de shut down their homepage today! - its seems like they feared legal proceedings in germany, because though streetart is illegal, the commercial use of reproductions of temporary art in public space is absolutely against german law and against the law of most european countries!!! Please check:
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama
(Christo won his case against some postcard guys who tried to sell photographs of his "wrapped reichstag" years ago..)
so please , if you donยดt want your own works to be mixed up with horrible designs and sold for 2.99 in every tourist-shop around the corner, stop this guy from his plans & tell your friends...
because after they took berlin, their new plans go straightly to your hood, this is the text from citygroove from today:
Dear visitor,
Citygroove.de is becoming Urban Art Cenrtal.com and we are moving!
We hope to see you soon in our new locations in London/UK & Los Angeles/USA on August 1st, 2010.
New: About 50 Artists, from all over the world will sell here!
Thanks for the many hundreds of nice emails and that great response! Until then you can contact us under:
Los Angeles/USA
Mr. Elroy Turner / Manager/ Email: Elroy_inquiry@rocketmail.com
London/UK
Mrs. Sabrina Canning / Manager/ Email: Sabrina_inquiry@rocketmail.com
Photography
Mr. Adams /Email: citygroove@rocketmail.com
Your Urban Art Central Team
Here is an update : THEYRE RENAMING AND MOVING TO LONDON AND LA AWESOME.. Hey Guys, ...first victory!!!... citygroove.de shut down their homepage today! - its seems like they feared legal proceedings in germany, because though streetart is illegal, the commercial use of reproductions of temporary art in public space is absolutely against german law and against the law of most european countries!!! Please check: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama(Christo won his case against some postcard guys who tried to sell photographs of his "wrapped reichstag" years ago..) so please , if you donยดt want your own works to be mixed up with horrible designs and sold for 2.99 in every tourist-shop around the corner, stop this guy from his plans & tell your friends... because after they took berlin, their new plans go straightly to your hood, this is the text from citygroove from today: Dear visitor, Citygroove.de is becoming Urban Art Cenrtal.com and we are moving! We hope to see you soon in our new locations in London/UK & Los Angeles/USA on August 1st, 2010. New: About 50 Artists, from all over the world will sell here! Thanks for the many hundreds of nice emails and that great response! Until then you can contact us under: Los Angeles/USA Mr. Elroy Turner / Manager/ Email: Elroy_inquiry@rocketmail.com London/UK Mrs. Sabrina Canning / Manager/ Email: Sabrina_inquiry@rocketmail.com Photography Mr. Adams /Email: citygroove@rocketmail.com Your Urban Art Central Team |
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gozgoz
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CITYGROOVE / URBAN ART CENTRAL = knobheads, by gozgoz on Feb 3, 2010 18:56:42 GMT 1, Taking this to its logical extreme - Does this mean everytime someone takes a photo of guggenheim and sells it as a postcard he has to pay a commission to the pple who built guggenheim because to some guggenheim is a piece of art?
Gehry would be swimming in money now.
Taking this to its logical extreme - Does this mean everytime someone takes a photo of guggenheim and sells it as a postcard he has to pay a commission to the pple who built guggenheim because to some guggenheim is a piece of art?
Gehry would be swimming in money now.
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sart
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CITYGROOVE / URBAN ART CENTRAL = knobheads, by sart on Feb 9, 2010 17:25:41 GMT 1, not at all - the magic words in the law about "freedom of panorama" are permanently/temporary. The "panorama freedom explicitly permits taking pictures or creating other images (such as paintings) of buildings and sculptures which are permanently located in a public place without infringing any copyright that may subsist in such works, and to publish such images.
BUT: If a work is presented on a public place temporarily (and street seems to be very temporarily to me), one may be obliged to get the explicit permission to take its picture.The panorama freedom is restricted to taking pictures of the actual objects. Generally, the freedom to modify such pictures is restricted. (a modification for example is to put your companies name on the pic...)
not at all - the magic words in the law about "freedom of panorama" are permanently/temporary. The "panorama freedom explicitly permits taking pictures or creating other images (such as paintings) of buildings and sculptures which are permanently located in a public place without infringing any copyright that may subsist in such works, and to publish such images.
BUT: If a work is presented on a public place temporarily (and street seems to be very temporarily to me), one may be obliged to get the explicit permission to take its picture.The panorama freedom is restricted to taking pictures of the actual objects. Generally, the freedom to modify such pictures is restricted. (a modification for example is to put your companies name on the pic...)
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curiousgeorge
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CITYGROOVE / URBAN ART CENTRAL = knobheads, by curiousgeorge on Feb 9, 2010 19:07:04 GMT 1, I just skimmed this thread, were they taking pictures of street art and selling them?
I just skimmed this thread, were they taking pictures of street art and selling them?
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sart
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CITYGROOVE / URBAN ART CENTRAL = knobheads, by sart on Feb 9, 2010 21:05:30 GMT 1, right - check out this screenshot from their former homepage, which got the whole thing startet: www.flickr.com/photos/lieberprost/4301838219/
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