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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by slowmo on Apr 1, 2009 16:38:54 GMT 1, If you don't have a solution, or a reasonable idea of how to improve things, of which this shows no sign, then I do wonder what the point is? If that many people were wanting to make a change, the protest could have been far more effective than just a march. For example the targeting of all banks indivudal savings accounts. Encourage all people who feel the banks have been unfair to close their accounts and withdraw all their money on a temporary basis at the same time. Everyone this morning doing that would have caused a lot more people to sit up and take notice. A modern world needs more modern means of protest than a few banners and a day out in town, everyone knows they'll go home, come back tomorrow and that will be the end, maybe a bit of fighting police thrown in. Now if the protesters had orchestrated closing accounts and ยฃ40-50million pounds + disappeared from the system, that would be a protest with a real punch that would reach their intended targets. very nice idea slowmo like the way you're thinking altho wondering whether with short selling being allowed once more (i think) some city types would make an absolute killing on something like this
As a means of protest that would be a great result, the ยฃ40-50M wipe would suddenly become ยฃ100's of millions disappearing. The system is flawed, people are right to protest for reform. But I just feel this protest is nothing more than a poorly organised stunt with no direction or purpose, can anyone tell me what the protest is about, G20? Globalisation? Banks? Government mis-spending? Poor UK leadership? Also what outcomes are wanted?
At least the climate protest with the tents has a clear agenda, organised in the right place and has defined goals. At BoE, I just press and antagonisation, very few placards, no leaders with a message. Most people are angry because they are not allowed to go home.
If you don't have a solution, or a reasonable idea of how to improve things, of which this shows no sign, then I do wonder what the point is? If that many people were wanting to make a change, the protest could have been far more effective than just a march. For example the targeting of all banks indivudal savings accounts. Encourage all people who feel the banks have been unfair to close their accounts and withdraw all their money on a temporary basis at the same time. Everyone this morning doing that would have caused a lot more people to sit up and take notice. A modern world needs more modern means of protest than a few banners and a day out in town, everyone knows they'll go home, come back tomorrow and that will be the end, maybe a bit of fighting police thrown in. Now if the protesters had orchestrated closing accounts and ยฃ40-50million pounds + disappeared from the system, that would be a protest with a real punch that would reach their intended targets. very nice idea slowmo like the way you're thinking altho wondering whether with short selling being allowed once more (i think) some city types would make an absolute killing on something like this As a means of protest that would be a great result, the ยฃ40-50M wipe would suddenly become ยฃ100's of millions disappearing. The system is flawed, people are right to protest for reform. But I just feel this protest is nothing more than a poorly organised stunt with no direction or purpose, can anyone tell me what the protest is about, G20? Globalisation? Banks? Government mis-spending? Poor UK leadership? Also what outcomes are wanted? At least the climate protest with the tents has a clear agenda, organised in the right place and has defined goals. At BoE, I just press and antagonisation, very few placards, no leaders with a message. Most people are angry because they are not allowed to go home.
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by manchestermike on Apr 1, 2009 16:42:02 GMT 1, It was a direct response to your photos. They're obviously there to show the reactions of the police, but the police are reacting to provocation. You do not go to a football match knowing there will be trouble or even there is a high chance of trouble. I'd say pretty much everyone who has gone to this today knew before hand there would be trouble, and have put themselves in that position I'm glad you're not in charge Mike We'd still have kids up the chimneys , slaves on the plantations and universal suffrage would be a distant dream Marches, demonstrations, occupations, direct action, protests, and boycotts have been a part of our history for hundreds of years and long may they continue
I've said numerous times on this thread I have absolutely no problem with marches, demonstrations, protests etc as long as they are peaceful and don't effect others who don't want to be involved. Once they get violent or destructive they lose my support entirely.
It was a direct response to your photos. They're obviously there to show the reactions of the police, but the police are reacting to provocation. You do not go to a football match knowing there will be trouble or even there is a high chance of trouble. I'd say pretty much everyone who has gone to this today knew before hand there would be trouble, and have put themselves in that position I'm glad you're not in charge Mike We'd still have kids up the chimneys , slaves on the plantations and universal suffrage would be a distant dream Marches, demonstrations, occupations, direct action, protests, and boycotts have been a part of our history for hundreds of years and long may they continue I've said numerous times on this thread I have absolutely no problem with marches, demonstrations, protests etc as long as they are peaceful and don't effect others who don't want to be involved. Once they get violent or destructive they lose my support entirely.
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by They call me Stephen on Apr 1, 2009 16:42:24 GMT 1,
The irony...as far from a revolution as possible. More a day out for people to make noise and wave flags.
Today was only ever going to end in one way, or at least be reported as so, and has achieved next to nothing. A few broken windows and bloody faces but back to normal tomorrow.
I agree with Slowmo in that a modern world needs a more modern means of protest. It all seems a little twee today but not much else, what has it actually achieved?? The banking idea seems like a good one, it can't be policed and provides a real way of showing disgust with particular banks/banking systems. I wonder how many people would actually do it though, it seems a little more assertive/definate than a walk around Liverpool Street station before returning to reality
The irony...as far from a revolution as possible. More a day out for people to make noise and wave flags. Today was only ever going to end in one way, or at least be reported as so, and has achieved next to nothing. A few broken windows and bloody faces but back to normal tomorrow. I agree with Slowmo in that a modern world needs a more modern means of protest. It all seems a little twee today but not much else, what has it actually achieved?? The banking idea seems like a good one, it can't be policed and provides a real way of showing disgust with particular banks/banking systems. I wonder how many people would actually do it though, it seems a little more assertive/definate than a walk around Liverpool Street station before returning to reality
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by shaunyboy on Apr 1, 2009 16:51:42 GMT 1, I'm glad you're not in charge Mike We'd still have kids up the chimneys , slaves on the plantations and universal suffrage would be a distant dream Marches, demonstrations, occupations, direct action, protests, and boycotts have been a part of our history for hundreds of years and long may they continue I've said numerous times on this thread I have absolutely no problem with marches, demonstrations, protests etc as long as they are peaceful and don't effect others who don't want to be involved. Once they get violent or destructive they lose my support entirely.
Unfortunately life isn't that simple.
If there is a demo with 2,000,000 people on it and one of them throws a brick in a Starbucks window then everyone focuses on the violence involved on the demo and then goes on to condemn the whole lot including the other 1,999,999 peaceful demonstrators.
The broken window does not negate the validity of the aims of the demo or the vast majority of people on it.
Living in a democracy, thanks to previous demonstrators, a small amount of disruption or inconvenience is the price I have to pay when demonstrations take place.
Long may it continue.
I'm glad you're not in charge Mike We'd still have kids up the chimneys , slaves on the plantations and universal suffrage would be a distant dream Marches, demonstrations, occupations, direct action, protests, and boycotts have been a part of our history for hundreds of years and long may they continue I've said numerous times on this thread I have absolutely no problem with marches, demonstrations, protests etc as long as they are peaceful and don't effect others who don't want to be involved. Once they get violent or destructive they lose my support entirely. Unfortunately life isn't that simple. If there is a demo with 2,000,000 people on it and one of them throws a brick in a Starbucks window then everyone focuses on the violence involved on the demo and then goes on to condemn the whole lot including the other 1,999,999 peaceful demonstrators. The broken window does not negate the validity of the aims of the demo or the vast majority of people on it. Living in a democracy, thanks to previous demonstrators, a small amount of disruption or inconvenience is the price I have to pay when demonstrations take place. Long may it continue.
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by schlomo on Apr 1, 2009 17:01:22 GMT 1, Not trying to make anyone believe what i do, but if you haven't already watched Zeitgeist the movie then i would suggest now is as good a time as any. Watch it free on sprword.com. For those who havent heard of it its a documentary about various things, but centering on money and how money is produced. Its an amazing docu (i think), and well worth a watch even if you dont believe it/want to believe it......
Not trying to make anyone believe what i do, but if you haven't already watched Zeitgeist the movie then i would suggest now is as good a time as any. Watch it free on sprword.com. For those who havent heard of it its a documentary about various things, but centering on money and how money is produced. Its an amazing docu (i think), and well worth a watch even if you dont believe it/want to believe it......
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by They call me Stephen on Apr 1, 2009 17:03:13 GMT 1, word, zeitgeist is superb!
available on you tube as well....
seems like the majority of the crowd was made up of freelance photographers or general members of the media today
word, zeitgeist is superb!
available on you tube as well....
seems like the majority of the crowd was made up of freelance photographers or general members of the media today
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by howler on Apr 1, 2009 17:05:14 GMT 1, What and you know where all these items were purchased do you ? For all you know it's all second hand bought from charity shops, tired pathetic argument that gets bought out every time, you forgot "why don't they all go and live in Russia" Its still symbols of capitalism, buying second hand is capitalism, last time I looked all charities had paid staff to administer them, where does that money go, to a fu ckin bank. Filiming on your camera to go home later and log on via a corporate web link with your global brand computer to upload onto a corporate website and share with your friends is capitalism. What I am effectively saying is, its impossible to be protesting in a major city about capitalism. THE ONLY EFFECTIVE PROTEST AGAINST CAPITALISM IS TO TURN YOUR BACK ON IT AND GO AND LIVE IN THE WILD. Otherwise its just a jolly day out isn't it? BEfore returning home to a place that someone has a mortgage for, be it yourself or the landlord. Its a pointless protest.
No that's a completely ineffective form of protest as it achieves nothing. I don't choose to live under this system but I have too and have every right too complain about it in any way I see fit, too say that the only protest I can make is too live in a bender wearing sackcloth is ridiculous.
What and you know where all these items were purchased do you ? For all you know it's all second hand bought from charity shops, tired pathetic argument that gets bought out every time, you forgot "why don't they all go and live in Russia" Its still symbols of capitalism, buying second hand is capitalism, last time I looked all charities had paid staff to administer them, where does that money go, to a fu ckin bank. Filiming on your camera to go home later and log on via a corporate web link with your global brand computer to upload onto a corporate website and share with your friends is capitalism. What I am effectively saying is, its impossible to be protesting in a major city about capitalism. THE ONLY EFFECTIVE PROTEST AGAINST CAPITALISM IS TO TURN YOUR BACK ON IT AND GO AND LIVE IN THE WILD. Otherwise its just a jolly day out isn't it? BEfore returning home to a place that someone has a mortgage for, be it yourself or the landlord. Its a pointless protest. No that's a completely ineffective form of protest as it achieves nothing. I don't choose to live under this system but I have too and have every right too complain about it in any way I see fit, too say that the only protest I can make is too live in a bender wearing sackcloth is ridiculous.
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by vital on Apr 1, 2009 17:18:19 GMT 1, reading some of these comments here , it appears a lot of people see it as a waste of time becuase it wont change anything or achieve anything but does it really HAVE to achieve anything - is not the fact that people are out there beling allowed to voice their opinion a big part of it? obviously we all know the world is a messed up place and i think a lot of people lost faith in the power of marches when 1million + marched about the war and the gov't simply ignored it.
but i salute everyone who went out there today, all the peaceful people (majority) and the minority of real nutters - maybe it will properly kick off later or maybe it will finish calmly, i dont wish anyone to be seriously injured but when democracy is not working as all politicians are liars and say one thing and do another- and there is no other means of showing your disaproval of the system then i think it is a good thing that protests continue to happen...
but there does seem to be as many cameras as protesters...the ubiquity of digital media..
i have been watching it on the news while working from home and all the presenters seem quite disappointed that it has not gone totally wild, they have already shown the same bloke with a bit of blood on hs head over and over again (and he was blatantly goading the police)...
reading some of these comments here , it appears a lot of people see it as a waste of time becuase it wont change anything or achieve anything but does it really HAVE to achieve anything - is not the fact that people are out there beling allowed to voice their opinion a big part of it? obviously we all know the world is a messed up place and i think a lot of people lost faith in the power of marches when 1million + marched about the war and the gov't simply ignored it.
but i salute everyone who went out there today, all the peaceful people (majority) and the minority of real nutters - maybe it will properly kick off later or maybe it will finish calmly, i dont wish anyone to be seriously injured but when democracy is not working as all politicians are liars and say one thing and do another- and there is no other means of showing your disaproval of the system then i think it is a good thing that protests continue to happen...
but there does seem to be as many cameras as protesters...the ubiquity of digital media..
i have been watching it on the news while working from home and all the presenters seem quite disappointed that it has not gone totally wild, they have already shown the same bloke with a bit of blood on hs head over and over again (and he was blatantly goading the police)...
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by howler on Apr 1, 2009 17:18:32 GMT 1, What about all the protesters smashing up places, throwing bottles and other objects etc at the police? What do you expect them to do? Smile sweetly and say carry on? Of course we'll have all the reports tonight from the "innocent" protesters who did nothing and got "brutally attacked" by the police. I'm sorry, but you get involved in something like this today and you take the consequences of not just your actions but the actions of all those around you.
That's such bollocks you cannot hold people responsible for the actions of others and when the police have used this excuse they have been shown too be wrong in court afterwards, so as a justification it's both immoral and illegal.
What about all the protesters smashing up places, throwing bottles and other objects etc at the police? What do you expect them to do? Smile sweetly and say carry on? Of course we'll have all the reports tonight from the "innocent" protesters who did nothing and got "brutally attacked" by the police. I'm sorry, but you get involved in something like this today and you take the consequences of not just your actions but the actions of all those around you.That's such bol locks you cannot hold people responsible for the actions of others and when the police have used this excuse they have been shown too be wrong in court afterwards, so as a justification it's both immoral and illegal.
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by slowmo on Apr 1, 2009 17:48:48 GMT 1, Its still symbols of capitalism, buying second hand is capitalism, last time I looked all charities had paid staff to administer them, where does that money go, to a fu ckin bank. Filiming on your camera to go home later and log on via a corporate web link with your global brand computer to upload onto a corporate website and share with your friends is capitalism. What I am effectively saying is, its impossible to be protesting in a major city about capitalism. THE ONLY EFFECTIVE PROTEST AGAINST CAPITALISM IS TO TURN YOUR BACK ON IT AND GO AND LIVE IN THE WILD. Otherwise its just a jolly day out isn't it? BEfore returning home to a place that someone has a mortgage for, be it yourself or the landlord. Its a pointless protest. No that's a completely ineffective form of protest as it achieves nothing. I don't choose to live under this system but I have too and have every right too complain about it in any way I see fit, too say that the only protest I can make is too live in a bender wearing sackcloth is ridiculous.
Against capitalism, those two words do indeed make living in a sackcloth the only effective form of protest, although yet again you have used a by product of capitalism to cloth yourself in, might I suggest some knitted hemp
Its still symbols of capitalism, buying second hand is capitalism, last time I looked all charities had paid staff to administer them, where does that money go, to a fu ckin bank. Filiming on your camera to go home later and log on via a corporate web link with your global brand computer to upload onto a corporate website and share with your friends is capitalism. What I am effectively saying is, its impossible to be protesting in a major city about capitalism. THE ONLY EFFECTIVE PROTEST AGAINST CAPITALISM IS TO TURN YOUR BACK ON IT AND GO AND LIVE IN THE WILD. Otherwise its just a jolly day out isn't it? BEfore returning home to a place that someone has a mortgage for, be it yourself or the landlord. Its a pointless protest. No that's a completely ineffective form of protest as it achieves nothing. I don't choose to live under this system but I have too and have every right too complain about it in any way I see fit, too say that the only protest I can make is too live in a bender wearing sackcloth is ridiculous. Against capitalism, those two words do indeed make living in a sackcloth the only effective form of protest, although yet again you have used a by product of capitalism to cloth yourself in, might I suggest some knitted hemp
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by flypitcher on Apr 1, 2009 22:29:28 GMT 1, Looked like an NF march to me, No Blacks, Asians ,Chinese etc. Strictly white. But I did see a few black coppers.
Looked like an NF march to me, No Blacks, Asians ,Chinese etc. Strictly white. But I did see a few black coppers.
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by Daniel Silk on Apr 2, 2009 15:07:12 GMT 1, 101 People arrested!
Who's not here today? ;D
101 People arrested! Who's not here today? ;D
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by hick on Apr 2, 2009 15:28:42 GMT 1, funny when the poll tax riots happened it was real working class people taking to the streets , every kid there sounded like mommy and daddy had a trust fund set for them, do they not see the irony of waving anti capitalism banners while wearing nike , adidas etc? slo mo is right plenty of people turn there back and make there own clothes etc, you dont need to support multi nationals if you are really against it what are we really pissed about ?
classic line 'we have a really nice day out.......not that that is the only reason we are here' what a f u c k i n g c u n t .
funny when the poll tax riots happened it was real working class people taking to the streets , every kid there sounded like mommy and daddy had a trust fund set for them, do they not see the irony of waving anti capitalism banners while wearing nike , adidas etc? slo mo is right plenty of people turn there back and make there own clothes etc, you dont need to support multi nationals if you are really against it what are we really pissed about ?
classic line 'we have a really nice day out.......not that that is the only reason we are here' what a f u c k i n g c u n t .
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by veralynn on Apr 2, 2009 18:40:37 GMT 1, Earlier in the thread someone mentioned that a nine year old girl was involved?
That's a real shame and there's no defense of that, I find any situation where the vulnerable get hurt abhorrent but what the fuck was her Mum doing taking her to an event like this? Bordering on wilful neglect in my opinion, I have an 8 year old daughter and would never knowingly expose her to a risk like this, irrespective of how strong my views are on the subject.
Also, the Branch of RBS targeted in this demo is just a normal Bank branch where people who work there earn average salaries going about their daily business - so exactly what is the point in that.
Agree with prettty much everything Mike has said throughout.
Earlier in the thread someone mentioned that a nine year old girl was involved?
That's a real shame and there's no defense of that, I find any situation where the vulnerable get hurt abhorrent but what the fuck was her Mum doing taking her to an event like this? Bordering on wilful neglect in my opinion, I have an 8 year old daughter and would never knowingly expose her to a risk like this, irrespective of how strong my views are on the subject.
Also, the Branch of RBS targeted in this demo is just a normal Bank branch where people who work there earn average salaries going about their daily business - so exactly what is the point in that.
Agree with prettty much everything Mike has said throughout.
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by pezlow on Apr 2, 2009 20:21:08 GMT 1,
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by hick on Apr 3, 2009 11:01:37 GMT 1, what I dont understand is that if we really wanted to stick it to the finacial institutuons why didnt we just all declare ourselves bankrupt ?
what I dont understand is that if we really wanted to stick it to the finacial institutuons why didnt we just all declare ourselves bankrupt ?
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by shaunyboy on Apr 7, 2009 18:52:14 GMT 1, www.guardian.co.uk/uk/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinson
The police officer can clearly be seen assaulting Ian minutes before he dies.
RIP Ian.
"The latest witness statements and photographs contradict the version of events put forward by police immediately after his death."....surprise surprise and is one reason we need an independent inquiry not one done by police.
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinsonThe police officer can clearly be seen assaulting Ian minutes before he dies. RIP Ian. "The latest witness statements and photographs contradict the version of events put forward by police immediately after his death."....surprise surprise and is one reason we need an independent inquiry not one done by police.
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by veralynn on Apr 7, 2009 19:20:48 GMT 1, Don't have any issue with an independant enquiry and actually support it given the Jean Charles de Mendez debacle (and others).....
Don't have any issue with an independant enquiry and actually support it given the Jean Charles de Mendez debacle (and others).....
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by charlie on Apr 7, 2009 19:32:49 GMT 1, just watched this footage and I am completely speechless. I had real faith in the police from the experiences I have had with them - as a victim of crime - but this shatters this faith completely.
unbelievable.....
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www.guardian.co.uk/uk/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinsonThe police officer can clearly be seen assaulting Ian minutes before he dies. RIP Ian. "The latest witness statements and photographs contradict the version of events put forward by police immediately after his death."....surprise surprise and is one reason we need an independent inquiry not one done by police.
just watched this footage and I am completely speechless. I had real faith in the police from the experiences I have had with them - as a victim of crime - but this shatters this faith completely. unbelievable..... c www.guardian.co.uk/uk/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinsonThe police officer can clearly be seen assaulting Ian minutes before he dies. RIP Ian. "The latest witness statements and photographs contradict the version of events put forward by police immediately after his death."....surprise surprise and is one reason we need an independent inquiry not one done by police.
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by howlinjack on Apr 7, 2009 20:17:06 GMT 1, f**king disgraceful. what scares me is the day the police are all issued guns and twats like that will have one.
f**king disgraceful. what scares me is the day the police are all issued guns and twats like that will have one.
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by veralynn on Apr 7, 2009 20:38:18 GMT 1, Only thing that the police might have as a mitigant might be sound, which we (or I) don't have the benefit of.
If I was asked by the plod to move along, then I'd move along rather than telling them to fuck off as this might piss them off. When pulled over for speeding, no seat belt, phone or whatever I tend to point out the error of my ways and apologise profusely.
Do feel that to give any kind of satisfaction to the family and friends there needs to be an urgent, independant, investigation into this.
Also think that the people who are filmed kicking in the windows of RBS etc should be given the maximum sentence available for their crimes as without that kind of activity there would never have been a requirement for the police response........
Only thing that the police might have as a mitigant might be sound, which we (or I) don't have the benefit of.
If I was asked by the plod to move along, then I'd move along rather than telling them to fuck off as this might piss them off. When pulled over for speeding, no seat belt, phone or whatever I tend to point out the error of my ways and apologise profusely.
Do feel that to give any kind of satisfaction to the family and friends there needs to be an urgent, independant, investigation into this.
Also think that the people who are filmed kicking in the windows of RBS etc should be given the maximum sentence available for their crimes as without that kind of activity there would never have been a requirement for the police response........
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by Daniel Silk on Apr 9, 2009 0:19:58 GMT 1,
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by etched on Apr 9, 2009 0:49:35 GMT 1, dirty
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by Deleted on Apr 9, 2009 11:23:20 GMT 1, Only thing that the police might have as a mitigant might be sound, which we (or I) don't have the benefit of.
No matter what sound is missing, nothing justifies this response. Telling a copper to f*** off may well p*** them off, but it still doesn't justify what that guy did. They are trained to a level to deal with these situations, not react in an over-the-top way.
Anyone who has been on a demonstration will know and appreciate the level of violence meted out by the police on a regular basis. Why do you think they hide behind balaclavas, or remove their numbers?
For you to then say 'if it hadn't have been for the behaviour of those who smashed windows then there would never have been the requirement for the police response....' Do you think the police sat idly by until something happened. They incite trouble with the way they handle protests. Treat people like animals and they will behave as such. Just because one or two people cause trouble it does not give the police carte blanche to behave as they do.
The rather trivial breaking of a few windows - which can easily be replaced - pale into insignificance when compared with the finanicial crime that has taken place to leave thousands of people in difficult financial positions. Who are the criminals now?
And what voice does an individual have to vent his/her anger.
We generally have no alternative but to put our faith ( and money ) in those that run our institutions, hoping that the state will support us in the long term. Instead we see selfish, greedy bastards helping themselves to our money.
If the state, and it's organisations behave in such a greedy, violent and corrupt manner then is it no wonder that those with little control over their lives react in such a way; either in mass protests or on an individual basis.
And I hope that coppers name is made public.......
Only thing that the police might have as a mitigant might be sound, which we (or I) don't have the benefit of. No matter what sound is missing, nothing justifies this response. Telling a copper to f*** off may well p*** them off, but it still doesn't justify what that guy did. They are trained to a level to deal with these situations, not react in an over-the-top way. Anyone who has been on a demonstration will know and appreciate the level of violence meted out by the police on a regular basis. Why do you think they hide behind balaclavas, or remove their numbers? For you to then say 'if it hadn't have been for the behaviour of those who smashed windows then there would never have been the requirement for the police response....' Do you think the police sat idly by until something happened. They incite trouble with the way they handle protests. Treat people like animals and they will behave as such. Just because one or two people cause trouble it does not give the police carte blanche to behave as they do. The rather trivial breaking of a few windows - which can easily be replaced - pale into insignificance when compared with the finanicial crime that has taken place to leave thousands of people in difficult financial positions. Who are the criminals now? And what voice does an individual have to vent his/her anger. We generally have no alternative but to put our faith ( and money ) in those that run our institutions, hoping that the state will support us in the long term. Instead we see selfish, greedy bastards helping themselves to our money. If the state, and it's organisations behave in such a greedy, violent and corrupt manner then is it no wonder that those with little control over their lives react in such a way; either in mass protests or on an individual basis. And I hope that coppers name is made public.......
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by veralynn on Apr 9, 2009 19:31:36 GMT 1, Fair comment mate - I agree with you, although I'm not sure that the police, in the main, incite trouble.
Earlier on in this thread it was implied that forum member knew of police who would welcome confrontation and I posted that the ones that I knew certainly did not. Hopefully they will report those officers to the relevant person.
There's no solution here, only tragedy. The only certainty being that had the demonstration not taken place then the windows would not have been smashed and this innocent guy might not have died.
Fair comment mate - I agree with you, although I'm not sure that the police, in the main, incite trouble.
Earlier on in this thread it was implied that forum member knew of police who would welcome confrontation and I posted that the ones that I knew certainly did not. Hopefully they will report those officers to the relevant person.
There's no solution here, only tragedy. The only certainty being that had the demonstration not taken place then the windows would not have been smashed and this innocent guy might not have died.
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by They call me Stephen on Apr 17, 2009 16:18:22 GMT 1, this photo from the g20 demonstrations is pretty disturbing
this photo from the g20 demonstrations is pretty disturbing
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Financial Fools Day 1 April 2009, by checkles on Apr 17, 2009 16:54:32 GMT 1, this photo from the g20 demonstrations is pretty disturbing
That medic was issuing some powerful anesthesia
this photo from the g20 demonstrations is pretty disturbing That medic was issuing some powerful anesthesia
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