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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by brut on Mar 16, 2009 21:38:35 GMT 1, I own a fair few banksy prints which i have purchased over the last five years mostly from POW/santas ghetto & Art Republic which all have cast iron provenance.
There were 2 prints that i missed the boat on at the time so i went down the ebay route to obtain them which i did so.These prints are Bomb Hugger & Turf War.I purchased them in early 2005 & paid approx £120 each for them.
I wanted to have these prints checked for authenticity so i did no more than take them into Dora at pow for them to be inspected & registered in my name.
There was no problem with the Bomb Hugger print as i had the previous owners details but the Turf war print had no contact details of previous owner & their ebay account has laid dormant for a few years so i was getting no replys to my questions.
Dora contacted me to explain that the print was a 'back door print'(same inks,paper & size),that someone had numbered themselves and then sold on as she had contacted the owner with the same numbered turf war & they still have it in their possesion.
Dora explained that there were a few of these about at the time as turf war was not printed in house so the printer sold a few 'extras' on.
I was a little gutted to be told this but also pleased that i had not spent big bucks on the print & pleased that the bomb hugger was legit.
The print has been stamped on the rear by pow as not by banksy as this is what they do with the prints that were not sold by pow.
This will not be going back on my wall & i think it will end up back on ebay but this time i'll make sure whoever buys it knows the full history.
All in all i'm pleased the authentication process works.
I own a fair few banksy prints which i have purchased over the last five years mostly from POW/santas ghetto & Art Republic which all have cast iron provenance. There were 2 prints that i missed the boat on at the time so i went down the ebay route to obtain them which i did so.These prints are Bomb Hugger & Turf War.I purchased them in early 2005 & paid approx £120 each for them. I wanted to have these prints checked for authenticity so i did no more than take them into Dora at pow for them to be inspected & registered in my name. There was no problem with the Bomb Hugger print as i had the previous owners details but the Turf war print had no contact details of previous owner & their ebay account has laid dormant for a few years so i was getting no replys to my questions. Dora contacted me to explain that the print was a 'back door print'(same inks,paper & size),that someone had numbered themselves and then sold on as she had contacted the owner with the same numbered turf war & they still have it in their possesion. Dora explained that there were a few of these about at the time as turf war was not printed in house so the printer sold a few 'extras' on. I was a little gutted to be told this but also pleased that i had not spent big bucks on the print & pleased that the bomb hugger was legit. The print has been stamped on the rear by pow as not by banksy as this is what they do with the prints that were not sold by pow. This will not be going back on my wall & i think it will end up back on ebay but this time i'll make sure whoever buys it knows the full history. All in all i'm pleased the authentication process works. |
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by Sacked... on Mar 16, 2009 21:45:54 GMT 1, Bad luck brut but as you say at least it did'nt cost you mega bucks.I'm sure somebody will be glad to take it off your hands either here or on the bay.
Bad luck brut but as you say at least it did'nt cost you mega bucks.I'm sure somebody will be glad to take it off your hands either here or on the bay.
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funster
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by funster on Mar 16, 2009 21:46:32 GMT 1, Soz to hear that Brut. Both my TW and BH were fakes despites paying loads and loads for them. I'll place money on knowing who's behind yours, please let Art & Antiques know if Dora hasn't already done so. If you want the direct email of the person in charge of the investigation pm me, he's a useful person.
Soz to hear that Brut. Both my TW and BH were fakes despites paying loads and loads for them. I'll place money on knowing who's behind yours, please let Art & Antiques know if Dora hasn't already done so. If you want the direct email of the person in charge of the investigation pm me, he's a useful person.
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by funster on Mar 16, 2009 21:47:53 GMT 1, Also interested to learn that Dora passed yours back to you, she passed mine straight to Scot Yard without my permission or knowledge.
Also interested to learn that Dora passed yours back to you, she passed mine straight to Scot Yard without my permission or knowledge.
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by bonesy on Mar 16, 2009 21:58:20 GMT 1, Also interested to learn that Dora passed yours back to you, she passed mine straight to Scot Yard without my permission or knowledge.
Wow, that seems very unfair to you...
Also interested to learn that Dora passed yours back to you, she passed mine straight to Scot Yard without my permission or knowledge. Wow, that seems very unfair to you... |
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brut
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by brut on Mar 16, 2009 21:59:56 GMT 1, Thats Shit Funster.I feel for you man.Dora has reported it.
The strange thing with my two ebay purchases were that i did not even think about authenticity as the idea of there being any other than the pow sold prints via pow & a few other gallerys did not even enter my head.
I think it is easy to fall for this as it is essentially a legit print as it was on the same print run.Where it is not legit is where someone outside pow is selling the same print twice.
I think if they are sold as backdoor prints then fair enough but to sell it as legit is low.
I can see why pow started blind stamping prints in 2005.
I am down to my last 13 banksy prints now!
If anyone is interested in a back door turf war print then let me know if not it will end up on the bay.
Thats Shit Funster.I feel for you man.Dora has reported it.
The strange thing with my two ebay purchases were that i did not even think about authenticity as the idea of there being any other than the pow sold prints via pow & a few other gallerys did not even enter my head.
I think it is easy to fall for this as it is essentially a legit print as it was on the same print run.Where it is not legit is where someone outside pow is selling the same print twice.
I think if they are sold as backdoor prints then fair enough but to sell it as legit is low.
I can see why pow started blind stamping prints in 2005.
I am down to my last 13 banksy prints now!
If anyone is interested in a back door turf war print then let me know if not it will end up on the bay.
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by hero on Mar 16, 2009 22:02:46 GMT 1, how much are you looking for?
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how much are you looking for?
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by funster on Mar 16, 2009 22:06:48 GMT 1, It does leave an interesting question as the last I heard they were going to destroy my prints, but now this would seem extremely unfair in light of the way they now deal with it. Also my 'fake' was every bit as the original I later replaced it by - apart from the forgers used slightly better quality paper.
It does leave an interesting question as the last I heard they were going to destroy my prints, but now this would seem extremely unfair in light of the way they now deal with it. Also my 'fake' was every bit as the original I later replaced it by - apart from the forgers used slightly better quality paper.
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brut
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by brut on Mar 16, 2009 22:06:59 GMT 1, I'm not sure Hero.
How much do they go for?
Does anyone know how much back door prints go for?
This is what it looked like when framed.
I'm not sure Hero. How much do they go for? Does anyone know how much back door prints go for? This is what it looked like when framed. |
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by bonesy on Mar 16, 2009 22:08:59 GMT 1, And POW still prints extras to replace damages and such. Ive preached it for a long time- only the set edition number should be produced (plus typical APs), no unlabeled extras for any reason.
And POW still prints extras to replace damages and such. Ive preached it for a long time- only the set edition number should be produced (plus typical APs), no unlabeled extras for any reason.
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by hero on Mar 16, 2009 22:11:10 GMT 1, i think its really however much you want to sell it for....its not signed or numbered so doesnt hold any real value other than to those who like the image 
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i think its really however much you want to sell it for....its not signed or numbered so doesnt hold any real value other than to those who like the image H |
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by brut on Mar 16, 2009 22:13:20 GMT 1, You're spot on bonesy.
It does seem a little strange that a long sold out edition can be reprinted.
You're spot on bonesy.
It does seem a little strange that a long sold out edition can be reprinted.
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by brut on Mar 16, 2009 22:22:04 GMT 1, That's more than i paid for my turf war when i thought it was legit.
That's more than i paid for my turf war when i thought it was legit.
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by Prescription Art on Mar 16, 2009 22:29:35 GMT 1, The trouble is, on so many of these early prints there were numbering mistakes. There were a couple of instances where two prints had the same number, and for example my signed Laugh Now was originally numbered out of 600 instead of 150 (this was kindly changed for me). So anyway, I feel that it's hasty to mark it as 'backdoor' when it could easily have been a numbering or database cock-up.
The trouble is, on so many of these early prints there were numbering mistakes. There were a couple of instances where two prints had the same number, and for example my signed Laugh Now was originally numbered out of 600 instead of 150 (this was kindly changed for me). So anyway, I feel that it's hasty to mark it as 'backdoor' when it could easily have been a numbering or database cock-up.
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by Harveyn on Mar 16, 2009 22:29:46 GMT 1, Funster is the difference not whether yours was a fake or a back door print?
Is it not a case that back door were unofficial prints from the same source but fakes are not?
Might explain the difference in POW's approach.
Funster is the difference not whether yours was a fake or a back door print?
Is it not a case that back door were unofficial prints from the same source but fakes are not?
Might explain the difference in POW's approach.
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by funster on Mar 16, 2009 22:32:47 GMT 1, Hi Harveyn, yes I can confirm mine was a forged print not a backdoor print and agree this could be where the difference lies.
Hi Harveyn, yes I can confirm mine was a forged print not a backdoor print and agree this could be where the difference lies.
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by wiz on Mar 16, 2009 22:41:36 GMT 1, Maybe Dora did that?.
Maybe Dora did that?.
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by hero on Mar 16, 2009 22:43:01 GMT 1, like a teacher would write "see me" on a homework !
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like a teacher would write "see me" on a homework !
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by wiz on Mar 16, 2009 22:45:07 GMT 1, Sort of... well, if its not genuine it doesnt matter really does it? she might as well have written her grandmothers recipe for scones across the bottom, image still looks ok though. It must have been a shock to learn this for you Brut!.
Sort of... well, if its not genuine it doesnt matter really does it? she might as well have written her grandmothers recipe for scones across the bottom, image still looks ok though. It must have been a shock to learn this for you Brut!.
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by hero on Mar 16, 2009 22:47:06 GMT 1, Sort of... well, if its not genuine it doesnt matter really does it? she might as well have written her grandmothers recipe for scones across the bottom, image still looks ok though. It must have been a shock to learn this for you Brut!.
or chips 
I do like this print...but I dont think I would want to pay a huge sum for a back door print 
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Sort of... well, if its not genuine it doesnt matter really does it? she might as well have written her grandmothers recipe for scones across the bottom, image still looks ok though. It must have been a shock to learn this for you Brut!. or chips I do like this print...but I dont think I would want to pay a huge sum for a back door print H |
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brut
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by brut on Mar 16, 2009 22:49:51 GMT 1, Just a bit wizbong but i would have been rearly pissed off if they were both not legit.
I suppose you have to pretty philosophical & be happy with a bombhugger that i paid £120 for.
Just a bit wizbong but i would have been rearly pissed off if they were both not legit.
I suppose you have to pretty philosophical & be happy with a bombhugger that i paid £120 for.
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by manchestermike on Mar 16, 2009 22:54:42 GMT 1, do they all say CBANKSY?  H
©Banksy
do they all say CBANKSY? H ©Banksy |
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by Deleted on Mar 16, 2009 23:14:40 GMT 1, Is there any chance that the POW registered owner of this print got it re-registered with POW before you and his might be the back door print? if you know what i mean?
Is there any chance that the POW registered owner of this print got it re-registered with POW before you and his might be the back door print? if you know what i mean?
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by Deleted on Mar 16, 2009 23:23:00 GMT 1, And POW still prints extras to replace damages and such. Ive preached it for a long time- only the set edition number should be produced (plus typical APs), no unlabeled extras for any reason.
I think it's a trust issue, so they must trust all the staff at POW now which is a good thing ,oh and CCTV helps too.
And POW still prints extras to replace damages and such. Ive preached it for a long time- only the set edition number should be produced (plus typical APs), no unlabeled extras for any reason. I think it's a trust issue, so they must trust all the staff at POW now which is a good thing ,oh and CCTV helps too. |
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by Sliding on the Walls on Mar 17, 2009 10:56:36 GMT 1, If you've been sitting on a legitimate banksy print for some time without getting it checked over, is there a chance that somebody else could have a backdoor print with the same number, and taken it to POW for authentification whilst yours was sitting happily on your wall? Then your official one could be mistaken for a backdoor one. Is that right?
If you've been sitting on a legitimate banksy print for some time without getting it checked over, is there a chance that somebody else could have a backdoor print with the same number, and taken it to POW for authentification whilst yours was sitting happily on your wall? Then your official one could be mistaken for a backdoor one. Is that right?
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by Sliding on the Walls on Mar 17, 2009 11:04:15 GMT 1, Is there any chance that the POW registered owner of this print got it re-registered with POW before you and his might be the back door print? if you know what i mean?
lol sorry I should have read what you wrote before posting mine!!
Is there any chance that the POW registered owner of this print got it re-registered with POW before you and his might be the back door print? if you know what i mean? lol sorry I should have read what you wrote before posting mine!! |
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by Wiseblood on Mar 17, 2009 12:03:51 GMT 1, Sorry to hear about that Brut.
Do all prints that are verified have to be taken in person, or are the photos that are provided on the online forums sufficient?
Sorry to hear about that Brut.
Do all prints that are verified have to be taken in person, or are the photos that are provided on the online forums sufficient?
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Authentication.One good/One bad!, by G-Man on Mar 17, 2009 12:12:52 GMT 1, You can send Dora pics I have had a couple of my banksy's authenticated and put into my name in this way
You can send Dora pics I have had a couple of my banksy's authenticated and put into my name in this way
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