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lack of originality, by Sacked... on Jan 10, 2009 19:58:19 GMT 1, Thats the video i was talking about last night .
Thats the video i was talking about last night .
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lack of originality, by Francis on Jan 10, 2009 21:48:08 GMT 1, Yeah, this is not nearly as good as Blu's other work.
Yeah, this is not nearly as good as Blu's other work.
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lack of originality, by micko on Jan 11, 2009 7:01:25 GMT 1, the worst is that i can see some ad-agency dickhead "creative" patting him/herself on their backs and congratulating themselves at some pub with their mates thinking that they are sooooo cutting edge for doing this.
the worst is that i can see some ad-agency dickhead "creative" patting him/herself on their backs and congratulating themselves at some pub with their mates thinking that they are sooooo cutting edge for doing this.
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lack of originality, by mikeo on Jan 11, 2009 11:04:22 GMT 1, Yeah, this is not nearly as good as Blu's other work.
You need to be careful when writing sarcasm as the way you're written that makes it appear that you think the ad is by blu...
Yeah, this is not nearly as good as Blu's other work. You need to be careful when writing sarcasm as the way you're written that makes it appear that you think the ad is by blu...
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lack of originality, by slowmo on Jan 11, 2009 11:26:04 GMT 1, Reading between the lines Angelo, did Blu turn down this commission? I think its a decent advert, to decry it because it uses a form of animation used by Blu, well its a bit like saying no more cartoons allowed by anyone other than Disney cos they made steamboat willy.
On the plus side it reminded me of this video which I had forgot all about, very different method but shares the same principles, been posted here a few times before but I'm sure no one will mind
Reading between the lines Angelo, did Blu turn down this commission? I think its a decent advert, to decry it because it uses a form of animation used by Blu, well its a bit like saying no more cartoons allowed by anyone other than Disney cos they made steamboat willy.
On the plus side it reminded me of this video which I had forgot all about, very different method but shares the same principles, been posted here a few times before but I'm sure no one will mind
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lack of originality, by fuzzed on Jan 11, 2009 11:31:28 GMT 1, Muto is much better than this advert.
Muto is much better than this advert.
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lack of originality, by fuzzed on Jan 11, 2009 11:32:28 GMT 1, Oh and is this advert all computer generated, looks it to me?
Oh and is this advert all computer generated, looks it to me?
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lack of originality, by mikeo on Jan 11, 2009 12:07:33 GMT 1, This advert is fucking dire and, yes, looks computer'd..
This advert is fucking dire and, yes, looks computer'd..
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lack of originality, by hick on Jan 11, 2009 12:34:56 GMT 1, feel free to email the agency and tell them what a pile of co-opted piece of shit they just made www.rkcryr.com/#
feel free to email the agency and tell them what a pile of co-opted piece of shit they just made www.rkcryr.com/#
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lack of originality, by Studiocromie on Jan 11, 2009 13:36:26 GMT 1, Reading between the lines Angelo, did Blu turn down this commission? I think its a decent advert, to decry it because it uses a form of animation used by Blu, well its a bit like saying no more cartoons allowed by anyone other than Disney cos they made steamboat willy. On the plus side it reminded me of this video which I had forgot all about, very different method but shares the same principles, been posted here a few times before but I'm sure no one will mind
i see your point Slowmo.
maybe it sounded a bit harsh. but i think that it's not the same thing as the disney cartoons. i mean, it's not about copying the form of the animation, it's the concept behind it all, it's the passage from the underground to the mainstream channel that pisses me off. what's the point with that, i mean, should agencies satisfy their clients being original and having cool ideas or they just need to be aware of what's going on in the world copying the latest tendencies from the underground cultures?
things like BLU animations in a way belongs to a world that imho is pretty anti-mainstream and that's where i'd like these things to stay and inspire people. this way it would all stay positive and clean.
it's one chance that spontaneous culture and art has to prove that the mainstream it's not the only way to do things, that we can basically ignore them all and live a good life and here they are, at the end of the day, they cant ignore the underground 'cause they need it all the time to be cool. that's because of their lack of ideas.
i find it sad that's it.
i know my english sucks and it may sound childish or fast. sorry.
Reading between the lines Angelo, did Blu turn down this commission? I think its a decent advert, to decry it because it uses a form of animation used by Blu, well its a bit like saying no more cartoons allowed by anyone other than Disney cos they made steamboat willy. On the plus side it reminded me of this video which I had forgot all about, very different method but shares the same principles, been posted here a few times before but I'm sure no one will mind i see your point Slowmo. maybe it sounded a bit harsh. but i think that it's not the same thing as the disney cartoons. i mean, it's not about copying the form of the animation, it's the concept behind it all, it's the passage from the underground to the mainstream channel that pisses me off. what's the point with that, i mean, should agencies satisfy their clients being original and having cool ideas or they just need to be aware of what's going on in the world copying the latest tendencies from the underground cultures? things like BLU animations in a way belongs to a world that imho is pretty anti-mainstream and that's where i'd like these things to stay and inspire people. this way it would all stay positive and clean. it's one chance that spontaneous culture and art has to prove that the mainstream it's not the only way to do things, that we can basically ignore them all and live a good life and here they are, at the end of the day, they cant ignore the underground 'cause they need it all the time to be cool. that's because of their lack of ideas. i find it sad that's it. i know my english sucks and it may sound childish or fast. sorry.
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lack of originality, by bullet on Jan 11, 2009 14:05:40 GMT 1, the worst is that i can see some ad-agency d**khead "creative" patting him/herself on their backs and congratulating themselves at some pub with their mates thinking that they are sooooo cutting edge for doing this.
i have many 'dick head' advertising friends and they are all pretty grounded, intelligent and good guys. Did you call them 'dick heads' just because you are fucked off with someone using the idea commercially.
get used to it, thats how advertising works. You take inspiration from other things around you. They are probably laughing in the face of all those that read the daily mail and wear a suit to work.
t**t.
the worst is that i can see some ad-agency d**khead "creative" patting him/herself on their backs and congratulating themselves at some pub with their mates thinking that they are sooooo cutting edge for doing this. i have many 'dick head' advertising friends and they are all pretty grounded, intelligent and good guys. Did you call them 'dick heads' just because you are fucked off with someone using the idea commercially. get used to it, thats how advertising works. You take inspiration from other things around you. They are probably laughing in the face of all those that read the daily mail and wear a suit to work. t**t.
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lack of originality, by graeme501 on Jan 11, 2009 14:08:45 GMT 1, there is a difference between inspiration and stealing
there is a difference between inspiration and stealing
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lack of originality, by bullet on Jan 11, 2009 14:10:37 GMT 1, sorry its not stealing, you have to be in the industry to understand that.
everything needs to start with a reference to sell it in to a client.
sorry its not stealing, you have to be in the industry to understand that.
everything needs to start with a reference to sell it in to a client.
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lack of originality, by slowmo on Jan 11, 2009 14:15:04 GMT 1, I have to agree with freerange, the majority of advertising agencies are completely unconcerned with being original, they have to match their client to their clients desired audience and introduce them or re-enforce their loyalty to the brand, that way they get paid. Think about a chip advert, it will always be aimed at families who sit together at meals times, to do something original would be a waste of time and money.
If you were asked to come up with something edgy for a radio station that sees its audience as street wise and contemporary with the times and stumbled across Blu's video that ticked all boxes, you'd use it and throw in a new york bands tune. Simple as. In cases like this, I guess you have to look at it as a back handed compliment.
I have to agree with freerange, the majority of advertising agencies are completely unconcerned with being original, they have to match their client to their clients desired audience and introduce them or re-enforce their loyalty to the brand, that way they get paid. Think about a chip advert, it will always be aimed at families who sit together at meals times, to do something original would be a waste of time and money.
If you were asked to come up with something edgy for a radio station that sees its audience as street wise and contemporary with the times and stumbled across Blu's video that ticked all boxes, you'd use it and throw in a new york bands tune. Simple as. In cases like this, I guess you have to look at it as a back handed compliment.
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lack of originality, by graeme501 on Jan 11, 2009 14:15:14 GMT 1, well, im in 3rd year graphic design, and personally, i would be embarrassed if i blatently stole an idea like this
inspiration is one thing, but this just shows the guy responsible is a bit shit and lacks any creative output
well, im in 3rd year graphic design, and personally, i would be embarrassed if i blatently stole an idea like this
inspiration is one thing, but this just shows the guy responsible is a bit shit and lacks any creative output
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lack of originality, by craigf on Jan 11, 2009 14:16:39 GMT 1,
Do you know this for a fact or is it speculation? Would be v interested to hear what you have heard as I was at Sony at the time of this release, know the background to the idea and the people involved from a creative perspective from inside the company. I don't believe your post is accurate, but have an open mind re what you have said. Sony would not have approached Kozyndan, but that's not to say one of the agencies pitching for the job didn't
Do you know this for a fact or is it speculation? Would be v interested to hear what you have heard as I was at Sony at the time of this release, know the background to the idea and the people involved from a creative perspective from inside the company. I don't believe your post is accurate, but have an open mind re what you have said. Sony would not have approached Kozyndan, but that's not to say one of the agencies pitching for the job didn't
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lack of originality, by goffy on Jan 11, 2009 14:26:03 GMT 1, Oh grow up people. Advertising agencies have always been 'inspired' by other peoples work and this is no difference. And let's face it most people who see this advert will have never heard of Blu. People on here are so precious about the artists discussed on here it is ridiculous. I remember Fran Healy from Travis was on TV wearing a Banksy T-shirt and had bought some Banksy canvases and he got slagged off on here liking the man "I don't like you so you shouldn't like what I like"
Oh grow up people. Advertising agencies have always been 'inspired' by other peoples work and this is no difference. And let's face it most people who see this advert will have never heard of Blu. People on here are so precious about the artists discussed on here it is ridiculous. I remember Fran Healy from Travis was on TV wearing a Banksy T-shirt and had bought some Banksy canvases and he got slagged off on here liking the man "I don't like you so you shouldn't like what I like"
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lack of originality, by bullet on Jan 11, 2009 14:28:14 GMT 1, well, im in 3rd year graphic design, and personally, i would be embarrassed if i blatently stole an idea like this inspiration is one thing, but this just shows the guy responsible is a bit s**t and lacks any creative output
mate you know what i do and have been doing it for a long time
give it another few years and you will realise its not ripping off.
working behind a desk at college and being given 2 months and working at an agency where you are given 2 weeks and have to match criteria is very different. if you dont match the criteria, you dont get paid.
you do the most creative thing you can within the time and criteria given.
and that ad is not bad at all.
nothing is original.
well, im in 3rd year graphic design, and personally, i would be embarrassed if i blatently stole an idea like this inspiration is one thing, but this just shows the guy responsible is a bit s**t and lacks any creative output mate you know what i do and have been doing it for a long time give it another few years and you will realise its not ripping off. working behind a desk at college and being given 2 months and working at an agency where you are given 2 weeks and have to match criteria is very different. if you dont match the criteria, you dont get paid. you do the most creative thing you can within the time and criteria given. and that ad is not bad at all. nothing is original.
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lack of originality, by Urban Painting on Jan 11, 2009 14:34:50 GMT 1, TAKE THEM TO COURT. NOT IN UK BUT IN ITALY.
TAKE THEM TO COURT. NOT IN UK BUT IN ITALY.
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lack of originality, by bullet on Jan 11, 2009 14:35:33 GMT 1, lol
lol
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lack of originality, by Studiocromie on Jan 11, 2009 14:38:39 GMT 1, i have to say i totally understand what freerange and slowmo are saying.
it does not change that this whole process makes me sad. anyway.
'cause slowmo says: "Think about a chip advert, it will always be aimed at families who sit together at meals times, to do something original would be a waste of time and money. "
so let someonelse do the original things, if it goes good we'll be "inspired" by it, if it does not we'll just ignore it. this way we wont loose money and time.
i'm not really happy with it. are you? i see it as a way of using others ideas to make profit. isnt it boring?
i have to say i totally understand what freerange and slowmo are saying.
it does not change that this whole process makes me sad. anyway.
'cause slowmo says: "Think about a chip advert, it will always be aimed at families who sit together at meals times, to do something original would be a waste of time and money. "
so let someonelse do the original things, if it goes good we'll be "inspired" by it, if it does not we'll just ignore it. this way we wont loose money and time.
i'm not really happy with it. are you? i see it as a way of using others ideas to make profit. isnt it boring?
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lack of originality, by bullet on Jan 11, 2009 14:41:28 GMT 1, Thats the way of the world.
i mean yes, if you are given i highly creative free brief then you will be coming up with fresh and original ideas - thats a given. but i bet you any money the criteria for six music was to fit in with a certain look and feel, using edgy music and giving it the bbc vibe. Taking what 6 music has done before, the vibe is on the same lines for sure.
when you are briefed the client has some idea what they want then you have guidelines to meet.
you give any designer or ad creative a free brief and they will go mental with it, just like an artist can as they are pretty much working for themselves.
and you have to do the best with what you have to use.
Thats the way of the world.
i mean yes, if you are given i highly creative free brief then you will be coming up with fresh and original ideas - thats a given. but i bet you any money the criteria for six music was to fit in with a certain look and feel, using edgy music and giving it the bbc vibe. Taking what 6 music has done before, the vibe is on the same lines for sure.
when you are briefed the client has some idea what they want then you have guidelines to meet.
you give any designer or ad creative a free brief and they will go mental with it, just like an artist can as they are pretty much working for themselves.
and you have to do the best with what you have to use.
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lack of originality, by Gentle Mental on Jan 11, 2009 14:45:18 GMT 1,
this "campaign" won tons of awards at all the glamorous ad festivals...
i can dig more if anyone's interested... (i recall a recent one where the entire thread mill idea of Josh Keyes were ripped off 100%...)
street art is possibly one of the richest source of ideas for advertising -
just as street art takes advertising and exposes the industry's hypocrisies for its own growth.
Street art takes a bite at advertising and advertising takes a bite back. They feed off each other.... since.. i dunno when... that is the two headed "POP" beast.
everyone's a thief....
everything original will eventually become mass... especially the beautiful ones like blu's.
this "campaign" won tons of awards at all the glamorous ad festivals... i can dig more if anyone's interested... (i recall a recent one where the entire thread mill idea of Josh Keyes were ripped off 100%...) street art is possibly one of the richest source of ideas for advertising - just as street art takes advertising and exposes the industry's hypocrisies for its own growth. Street art takes a bite at advertising and advertising takes a bite back. They feed off each other.... since.. i dunno when... that is the two headed "POP" beast. everyone's a thief.... everything original will eventually become mass... especially the beautiful ones like blu's.
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lack of originality, by wiz on Jan 11, 2009 14:56:44 GMT 1, some friends of mine have an advertising agency, they are often asked to come up with some campaign or other only to find that during the period it has taken them to create it the punters have decided that they would like some kind of input and that they have a few ideas of their own to add , i suppose its all a compromise in the end, its good to have ideals but even an ad. agency has bills to pay.
some friends of mine have an advertising agency, they are often asked to come up with some campaign or other only to find that during the period it has taken them to create it the punters have decided that they would like some kind of input and that they have a few ideas of their own to add , i suppose its all a compromise in the end, its good to have ideals but even an ad. agency has bills to pay.
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lack of originality, by Deleted on Jan 11, 2009 15:06:53 GMT 1, well, im in 3rd year graphic design, and personally, i would be embarrassed if i blatently stole an idea like this inspiration is one thing, but this just shows the guy responsible is a bit s**t and lacks any creative output mate you know what i do and have been doing it for a long time give it another few years and you will realise its not ripping off. working behind a desk at college and being given 2 months and working at an agency where you are given 2 weeks and have to match criteria is very different. if you dont match the criteria, you dont get paid. you do the most creative thing you can within the time and criteria given. and that ad is not bad at all. nothing is original.
Did you make this add Freerange? Are you in the add business? How many of your well grounded mates are d i c k h e a d s (your words)? ;D
Was the TV add painted on the wall, the reason i ask is because near the end of the add on the side of the building you can see were they removed the older paint /image, so i think it might be some kind of stop start film technique.
well, im in 3rd year graphic design, and personally, i would be embarrassed if i blatently stole an idea like this inspiration is one thing, but this just shows the guy responsible is a bit s**t and lacks any creative output mate you know what i do and have been doing it for a long time give it another few years and you will realise its not ripping off. working behind a desk at college and being given 2 months and working at an agency where you are given 2 weeks and have to match criteria is very different. if you dont match the criteria, you dont get paid. you do the most creative thing you can within the time and criteria given. and that ad is not bad at all. nothing is original. Did you make this add Freerange? Are you in the add business? How many of your well grounded mates are d i c k h e a d s (your words)? ;D Was the TV add painted on the wall, the reason i ask is because near the end of the add on the side of the building you can see were they removed the older paint /image, so i think it might be some kind of stop start film technique.
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lack of originality, by bert on Jan 11, 2009 15:12:30 GMT 1, sorry its not stealing, you have to be in the industry to understand that.
"By the way if anyone here is in advertising or marketing... kill yourself. No, no, no it's just a little thought. I'm just trying to plant seeds. Maybe one day, they'll take root - I don't know. You try, you do what you can. Kill yourself. Seriously though, if you are, do. Aaah, no really, there's no rationalisation for what you do and you are Satan's little helpers, Okay - kill yourself - seriously. You are the ruiner of all things good, seriously.
No this is not a joke, you're going, "there's going to be a joke coming," there's no fucking joke coming. You are Satan's spawn filling the world with bile and garbage. You are fucked and you are fucking us. Kill yourself. It's the only way to save your fucking soul, kill yourself. Planting seeds. I know all the marketing people are going, "he's doing a jokeโ... there's no joke here whatsoever. Suck a tail-pipe, fucking hang yourself, borrow a gun from a friend - I don't care how you do it. Rid the world of your evil fucking machinations. I know what all the marketing people are thinking right now too, "Oh, you know what Bill's doing, he's going for that anti-marketing dollar. That's a good market, he's very smart." Oh man, I am not doing that. You fucking evil scumbags! "Ooh, you know what Bill's doing now, he's going for the righteous indignation dollar. That's a big dollar. A lot of people are feeling that indignation. We've done research - huge market. He's doing a good thing." Godammit, I'm not doing that, you scum-bags! Quit putting a godamm dollar sign on every fucking thing on this planet! "
Bill Hicks
sorry its not stealing, you have to be in the industry to understand that. "By the way if anyone here is in advertising or marketing... kill yourself. No, no, no it's just a little thought. I'm just trying to plant seeds. Maybe one day, they'll take root - I don't know. You try, you do what you can. Kill yourself. Seriously though, if you are, do. Aaah, no really, there's no rationalisation for what you do and you are Satan's little helpers, Okay - kill yourself - seriously. You are the ruiner of all things good, seriously. No this is not a joke, you're going, "there's going to be a joke coming," there's no fucking joke coming. You are Satan's spawn filling the world with bile and garbage. You are fucked and you are fucking us. Kill yourself. It's the only way to save your fucking soul, kill yourself. Planting seeds. I know all the marketing people are going, "he's doing a jokeโ... there's no joke here whatsoever. Suck a tail-pipe, fucking hang yourself, borrow a gun from a friend - I don't care how you do it. Rid the world of your evil fucking machinations. I know what all the marketing people are thinking right now too, "Oh, you know what Bill's doing, he's going for that anti-marketing dollar. That's a good market, he's very smart." Oh man, I am not doing that. You fucking evil scumbags! "Ooh, you know what Bill's doing now, he's going for the righteous indignation dollar. That's a big dollar. A lot of people are feeling that indignation. We've done research - huge market. He's doing a good thing." Godammit, I'm not doing that, you scum-bags! Quit putting a godamm dollar sign on every fucking thing on this planet! " Bill Hicks
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lack of originality, by bmjt on Jan 11, 2009 15:58:49 GMT 1, well, im in 3rd year graphic design, and personally, i would be embarrassed if i blatently stole an idea like this inspiration is one thing, but this just shows the guy responsible is a bit s**t and lacks any creative output mate you know what i do and have been doing it for a long time give it another few years and you will realise its not ripping off. working behind a desk at college and being given 2 months and working at an agency where you are given 2 weeks and have to match criteria is very different. if you dont match the criteria, you dont get paid. you do the most creative thing you can within the time and criteria given. and that ad is not bad at all. nothing is original.
I also have to agree with Freerange here, i'm currently in 4th year architecture, and you cannot produce a piece of work without referencing current and previous work, as precedent or inspiration. If you don't the work tends to look out of touch with contemporary design and lost amidst the rest of the urban fabric. It happens in every studio and practice in the world, the same ideas are regenerated and re-used over and over again.
well, im in 3rd year graphic design, and personally, i would be embarrassed if i blatently stole an idea like this inspiration is one thing, but this just shows the guy responsible is a bit s**t and lacks any creative output mate you know what i do and have been doing it for a long time give it another few years and you will realise its not ripping off. working behind a desk at college and being given 2 months and working at an agency where you are given 2 weeks and have to match criteria is very different. if you dont match the criteria, you dont get paid. you do the most creative thing you can within the time and criteria given. and that ad is not bad at all. nothing is original. I also have to agree with Freerange here, i'm currently in 4th year architecture, and you cannot produce a piece of work without referencing current and previous work, as precedent or inspiration. If you don't the work tends to look out of touch with contemporary design and lost amidst the rest of the urban fabric. It happens in every studio and practice in the world, the same ideas are regenerated and re-used over and over again.
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