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VAT/ Customs charges, by Deleted on Jan 8, 2009 3:32:37 GMT 1, I just dealt with a customer issue where the customer wanted me to pay for his VAT/Customs charges (I shipped from the US/UK.) Is this something all UK buyers expect? Do other galleries do this? Thanks
I just dealt with a customer issue where the customer wanted me to pay for his VAT/Customs charges (I shipped from the US/UK.) Is this something all UK buyers expect? Do other galleries do this? Thanks
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VAT/ Customs charges, by kronoopus on Jan 8, 2009 3:48:51 GMT 1, I just dealt with a customer issue where the customer wanted me to pay for his VAT/Customs charges (I shipped from the US/UK.) Is this something all UK buyers expect? Do other galleries do this? Thanks
LOL, that happened to me once. I explained that to insure the package it needed to be declared at full value, and may be subject to VAT, customs and whatever other fees the UK imposes......... prior to shipping. Dude said no problem. Dude got hit with a load of fees and was going to send me a paypal invoice to pay for it. I reminded the dude of our conversation regarding the possibility of the fees and told him......NICELY......To take a hike.
I just dealt with a customer issue where the customer wanted me to pay for his VAT/Customs charges (I shipped from the US/UK.) Is this something all UK buyers expect? Do other galleries do this? Thanks LOL, that happened to me once. I explained that to insure the package it needed to be declared at full value, and may be subject to VAT, customs and whatever other fees the UK imposes......... prior to shipping. Dude said no problem. Dude got hit with a load of fees and was going to send me a paypal invoice to pay for it. I reminded the dude of our conversation regarding the possibility of the fees and told him......NICELY......To take a hike.
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VAT/ Customs charges, by Deleted on Jan 8, 2009 4:08:23 GMT 1, Yeah, after he emailed me a barrage of insults and incomprehensible rants, I simply gave up and paid it. I think he's done this to others as he had it well scripted.
Yeah, after he emailed me a barrage of insults and incomprehensible rants, I simply gave up and paid it. I think he's done this to others as he had it well scripted.
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VAT/ Customs charges, by kronoopus on Jan 8, 2009 4:31:16 GMT 1, Yeah, after he emailed me a barrage of insults and incomprehensible rants, I simply gave up and paid it. I think he's done this to others as he had it well scripted. Wonder if it was the same dude? It was really well scripted as far as I can remember. It was a number of years ago. I would NEVER have paid it.
Yeah, after he emailed me a barrage of insults and incomprehensible rants, I simply gave up and paid it. I think he's done this to others as he had it well scripted. Wonder if it was the same dude? It was really well scripted as far as I can remember. It was a number of years ago. I would NEVER have paid it.
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VAT/ Customs charges, by Replete on Jan 8, 2009 4:44:00 GMT 1, Ive shipped plenty of my canvases the other way to the US and no ones ever mentioned custom charges as it's pretty much a given that it's the customer that pays the fees.
Sometimes they ask you to send it marked as a gift under ยฃ100 in value in order to bypass custom charges which I'll relunctantly do but I make it quite plain that it's their decision and if anything goes wrong regarding any insurance claims for loss or damage I cant be held responsible.
Ive shipped plenty of my canvases the other way to the US and no ones ever mentioned custom charges as it's pretty much a given that it's the customer that pays the fees.
Sometimes they ask you to send it marked as a gift under ยฃ100 in value in order to bypass custom charges which I'll relunctantly do but I make it quite plain that it's their decision and if anything goes wrong regarding any insurance claims for loss or damage I cant be held responsible.
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VAT/ Customs charges, by Deleted on Jan 8, 2009 4:46:39 GMT 1, Replete,
The US doesn't charge customs or taxes (in most cases). I think US to UK is where VAT and customs comes into play. to kronopus' point, you need to declare it for the full value if you want it insured.
Replete,
The US doesn't charge customs or taxes (in most cases). I think US to UK is where VAT and customs comes into play. to kronopus' point, you need to declare it for the full value if you want it insured.
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VAT/ Customs charges, by Replete on Jan 8, 2009 4:57:14 GMT 1, I thought they levied a charge based on the insurance value of the item if it was over around ยฃ100 in value?
Anyway it's the buyers responsibility to pay import charges. I've bought various expensive music equipment from the US via ebay and I was fully prepared and in some cases had to pay an import fee.
I thought they levied a charge based on the insurance value of the item if it was over around ยฃ100 in value?
Anyway it's the buyers responsibility to pay import charges. I've bought various expensive music equipment from the US via ebay and I was fully prepared and in some cases had to pay an import fee.
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VAT/ Customs charges, by rosstierney on Jan 8, 2009 5:25:32 GMT 1, the problem with the us postal insurance system, you can't disclose a different value from what you disclose on the documents
here in the uk, we can insure an item for x & put a different value on the customs label (this benefits swiss customers from past experience)
your system was probably set up to benefit the uk government
a lot of people from the us tend to think that marking an item as a gift excludes the recipient from duty, this is not the case
a value of $50 or preferably less would have to be disclosed on the documents too
therefore, if a uk customer doesn't want to pay duty, they would have to accept liability before the sender discloses a -$50 value & marks the item as a gift
if a uk customer wants the item fully insured, the full value would have to be disclosed leaving them open to duty
we can't have it all unfortunately
the problem with the us postal insurance system, you can't disclose a different value from what you disclose on the documents here in the uk, we can insure an item for x & put a different value on the customs label (this benefits swiss customers from past experience) your system was probably set up to benefit the uk government a lot of people from the us tend to think that marking an item as a gift excludes the recipient from duty, this is not the case a value of $50 or preferably less would have to be disclosed on the documents too therefore, if a uk customer doesn't want to pay duty, they would have to accept liability before the sender discloses a -$50 value & marks the item as a gift if a uk customer wants the item fully insured, the full value would have to be disclosed leaving them open to duty we can't have it all unfortunately
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VAT/ Customs charges, by rosstierney on Jan 8, 2009 10:19:10 GMT 1, i've been thinking about this & my points are more to do with irreplaceable items
if it was an editioned print from source i'd expect it to be marked as a gift with a -$50 value because if it was damaged, it's not often you would be asked to send it back
pictures of the destroyed print are usually requested before a replacement is sent
does this scenario trigger an insurance claim?
too much hastle me thinks
i've been thinking about this & my points are more to do with irreplaceable items
if it was an editioned print from source i'd expect it to be marked as a gift with a -$50 value because if it was damaged, it's not often you would be asked to send it back
pictures of the destroyed print are usually requested before a replacement is sent
does this scenario trigger an insurance claim?
too much hastle me thinks
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VAT/ Customs charges, by 30works on Jan 8, 2009 13:17:42 GMT 1, I just dealt with a customer issue where the customer wanted me to pay for his VAT/Customs charges (I shipped from the US/UK.) Is this something all UK buyers expect? Do other galleries do this? Thanks
Duties and VAT are buyer's responsibility because both depend on import rules of buyer's country. In most cases we know the import rules of our clients and can give advice and support to them. Also we prepare correct customs documents so that import procedure for the client is without friction.
I just dealt with a customer issue where the customer wanted me to pay for his VAT/Customs charges (I shipped from the US/UK.) Is this something all UK buyers expect? Do other galleries do this? Thanks Duties and VAT are buyer's responsibility because both depend on import rules of buyer's country. In most cases we know the import rules of our clients and can give advice and support to them. Also we prepare correct customs documents so that import procedure for the client is without friction.
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VAT/ Customs charges, by aginghippie on Jan 8, 2009 13:47:00 GMT 1, There are no import duties into the US on works of art. This covers originals and signed limited edition prints amongst others.
There are no import duties into the US on works of art. This covers originals and signed limited edition prints amongst others.
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VAT/ Customs charges, by 30works on Jan 8, 2009 14:48:18 GMT 1, There are no import duties into the US on works of art. This covers originals and signed limited edition prints amongst others. Right! But it requires commercial invoice and delievery bill from sender's side and a customs declaration on buyer's side. In most cases carriers like FedEx or UPS support the import procedure on buyer's side. More info: www.cbp.gov/
Notice: Receiving art from outside of EU isn't free of VAT.
There are no import duties into the US on works of art. This covers originals and signed limited edition prints amongst others. Right! But it requires commercial invoice and delievery bill from sender's side and a customs declaration on buyer's side. In most cases carriers like FedEx or UPS support the import procedure on buyer's side. More info: www.cbp.gov/Notice: Receiving art from outside of EU isn't free of VAT.
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VAT/ Customs charges, by Pupster on Jan 8, 2009 14:51:57 GMT 1, Interesting thread... i just bought a nick walker print from a guy in the US and got done for VAT, however, I was under the impression that because it is not a 'new' item VAT shouldn't be charged. I am trying to get hold of the customs guys on the phone but they are always engaged..!! Am i being thick???
Interesting thread... i just bought a nick walker print from a guy in the US and got done for VAT, however, I was under the impression that because it is not a 'new' item VAT shouldn't be charged. I am trying to get hold of the customs guys on the phone but they are always engaged..!! Am i being thick???
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VAT/ Customs charges, by 30works on Jan 8, 2009 15:06:15 GMT 1, Interesting thread... i just bought a nick walker print from a guy in the US and got done for VAT, however, I was under the impression that because it is not a 'new' item VAT shouldn't be charged. I am trying to get hold of the customs guys on the phone but they are always engaged..!! Am i being thick??? Next step will be that customs office wants to see a credit card bill or a printed copy of the ebay auction or the email correrspondence between you and seller to ascertain price you have paid for the Nick Walker. On that basis customs will calculate the VAT for your Nick Walker. There is no alternative unless you deny acceptance.
Interesting thread... i just bought a nick walker print from a guy in the US and got done for VAT, however, I was under the impression that because it is not a 'new' item VAT shouldn't be charged. I am trying to get hold of the customs guys on the phone but they are always engaged..!! Am i being thick??? Next step will be that customs office wants to see a credit card bill or a printed copy of the ebay auction or the email correrspondence between you and seller to ascertain price you have paid for the Nick Walker. On that basis customs will calculate the VAT for your Nick Walker. There is no alternative unless you deny acceptance.
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VAT/ Customs charges, by fielder on Jan 8, 2009 15:07:55 GMT 1, They do charge VAT, but it's normally at a reduced rate of 5% for works of art. It seems to be a bit of a vague area when it comes to prints. I have been charged the full V.A.T. on a couple of prints I got (17.5% at the time), but I managed to get a refund on appealing and they reduced it back down to 5%. It's definately worth writing a letter.
They do charge VAT, but it's normally at a reduced rate of 5% for works of art. It seems to be a bit of a vague area when it comes to prints. I have been charged the full V.A.T. on a couple of prints I got (17.5% at the time), but I managed to get a refund on appealing and they reduced it back down to 5%. It's definately worth writing a letter.
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VAT/ Customs charges, by rosstierney on Jan 8, 2009 15:14:35 GMT 1, i've never been charged vat @ 5% on an art piece even when the correct code has been applied to the documents
customs tend to slap the full % on everything & let you deal with the difference, knowing a lot of people won't because it's a pain in the arse & time consuming
don't let them get away with it, make sure you claim
i've never been charged vat @ 5% on an art piece even when the correct code has been applied to the documents
customs tend to slap the full % on everything & let you deal with the difference, knowing a lot of people won't because it's a pain in the arse & time consuming
don't let them get away with it, make sure you claim
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VAT/ Customs charges, by 30works on Jan 8, 2009 15:18:08 GMT 1, They do charge VAT, but it's normally at a reduced rate of 5% for works of art. It seems to be a bit of a vague area when it comes to prints. I have been charged the full V.A.T. on a couple of prints I got (17.5% at the time), but I managed to get a refund on appealing and they reduced it back down to 5%. It's definately worth writing a letter. Point is that all EU countries charges different VAT rates on art. An additional aggravating factor is taxation on different art works. For example Germany charges 19% on prints excepting lithographs and etchings (both 7%) which are prints also. There are similar regulations in the UK.
They do charge VAT, but it's normally at a reduced rate of 5% for works of art. It seems to be a bit of a vague area when it comes to prints. I have been charged the full V.A.T. on a couple of prints I got (17.5% at the time), but I managed to get a refund on appealing and they reduced it back down to 5%. It's definately worth writing a letter. Point is that all EU countries charges different VAT rates on art. An additional aggravating factor is taxation on different art works. For example Germany charges 19% on prints excepting lithographs and etchings (both 7%) which are prints also. There are similar regulations in the UK.
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VAT/ Customs charges, by dmandpenfold on Jan 8, 2009 15:25:29 GMT 1, Gents,
here is a link to another thread with a lot of info to help
urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?board=ebaychat&action=display&thread=17538&page=1#62071
basically limited edition prints produced by the artist and originals are charged VAT at the reduced rate of 5%. All other artwork is charged at the higer VAT rate, now 15%. There are also customs duties to bear in mind, however for limited editions and originals the customs duty is zero. You will also end up paying a processing fee to Parcel Farce or whoever it was shipped by.
amin, if someone buys a print from the US and imports it to the UK they are liable for any VAT, after all they couldnt buy anything in the UK and expect the shop owner to pay the VAT so why would it be different for items shipped in from overseas. If you get some idiot insisting you pay it then i would politely tell them to 'bugger orf'
Pupster, if you bought the NW print from someone in the US as a private sale then you should not be liable for VAT and should claim it back from HMRC. However if the print was originally bought in the US and no VAT was paid on it then HMRC might have a case that VAT should be paid. If the guy you bought it from bought it from the UK online and he paid the same price as everyone else then he will have paid VAT, in which case VAT has already been paid on the original item to HMRC and they have no case to demand VAT from you for having it re-imported to the UK. Unfortunaltely it's up to you to send them the evidence etc to make your claim. As with all UK govt depts it's a case of shoot first ask questions later.
hope that helps.
Gents, here is a link to another thread with a lot of info to help urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?board=ebaychat&action=display&thread=17538&page=1#62071basically limited edition prints produced by the artist and originals are charged VAT at the reduced rate of 5%. All other artwork is charged at the higer VAT rate, now 15%. There are also customs duties to bear in mind, however for limited editions and originals the customs duty is zero. You will also end up paying a processing fee to Parcel Farce or whoever it was shipped by. amin, if someone buys a print from the US and imports it to the UK they are liable for any VAT, after all they couldnt buy anything in the UK and expect the shop owner to pay the VAT so why would it be different for items shipped in from overseas. If you get some idiot insisting you pay it then i would politely tell them to 'bugger orf' Pupster, if you bought the NW print from someone in the US as a private sale then you should not be liable for VAT and should claim it back from HMRC. However if the print was originally bought in the US and no VAT was paid on it then HMRC might have a case that VAT should be paid. If the guy you bought it from bought it from the UK online and he paid the same price as everyone else then he will have paid VAT, in which case VAT has already been paid on the original item to HMRC and they have no case to demand VAT from you for having it re-imported to the UK. Unfortunaltely it's up to you to send them the evidence etc to make your claim. As with all UK govt depts it's a case of shoot first ask questions later. hope that helps.
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VAT/ Customs charges, by 30works on Jan 8, 2009 17:32:23 GMT 1, Pupster, if you bought the NW print from someone in the US as a private sale then you should not be liable for VAT and should claim it back from HMRC.
Privat sales with countries outside of the EU are NOT expected from import VAT.
HMRC details: customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageVAT_ShowContent&id=HMCE_CL_000199&propertyType=document#P261_39500
If the guy you bought it from bought it from the UK online and he paid the same price as everyone else then he will have paid VAT, in which case VAT has already been paid on the original item to HMRC and they have no case to demand VAT from you for having it re-imported to the UK.
That works only if the origin UK-seller acted as a trader and was entitled to deduct input tax. And - as you wrote - the buyer has to adduce evidence. But that isn't the regular case so the UK (EU) buyer has no chance to avoid the import VAT.
Pupster, if you bought the NW print from someone in the US as a private sale then you should not be liable for VAT and should claim it back from HMRC. Privat sales with countries outside of the EU are NOT expected from import VAT. HMRC details: customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageVAT_ShowContent&id=HMCE_CL_000199&propertyType=document#P261_39500If the guy you bought it from bought it from the UK online and he paid the same price as everyone else then he will have paid VAT, in which case VAT has already been paid on the original item to HMRC and they have no case to demand VAT from you for having it re-imported to the UK. That works only if the origin UK-seller acted as a trader and was entitled to deduct input tax. And - as you wrote - the buyer has to adduce evidence. But that isn't the regular case so the UK (EU) buyer has no chance to avoid the import VAT.
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VAT/ Customs charges, by Pupster on Jan 8, 2009 17:42:11 GMT 1, Thanks for the info guys, I am now armed with more info.... when i finally get through to the greedy fellas! It was a private sale from a guy who bought it originally from Nick himself...
Thanks for the info guys, I am now armed with more info.... when i finally get through to the greedy fellas! It was a private sale from a guy who bought it originally from Nick himself...
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