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The role of urban art, by sfdoddsy on Dec 3, 2008 2:19:34 GMT 1, Know Hope is, to me, a prime example of someone trying so desperately to 'say' something that he ends up saying nothing at all.
But at least he doesn't do stencils, skulls, monkeys or spray paint with drips.
Know Hope is, to me, a prime example of someone trying so desperately to 'say' something that he ends up saying nothing at all.
But at least he doesn't do stencils, skulls, monkeys or spray paint with drips.
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The role of urban art, by Mike Marcus on Dec 3, 2008 2:39:19 GMT 1, I guess if you had followed his art in Tel Aviv since its inception you might feel differently. Mind you we all have different tastes but I can assure you because I know him in person that he is as sincere as they come.
I guess if you had followed his art in Tel Aviv since its inception you might feel differently. Mind you we all have different tastes but I can assure you because I know him in person that he is as sincere as they come.
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The role of urban art, by jamesreeve5 on Dec 3, 2008 2:39:29 GMT 1, 1) The established art world is notorious for promoting 'safe' art. I'm afraid I would challenge your initial premise. The established art world is far less conservative than the street/urban world. Grafitti tends to look the same the world over, with everyone imitating the original US scene. Now it is simple political stencils with pictures of monkeys. Or slightly distorted figurative work such as Neate and Herakut. Or yet another tiresome homage/rip of Warhol. People on this forum buy essentially the same pieces over and over again, and yet think they are being rebels. They are not. They are showing precisely the same level of taste as those who used to buy Norman Rockwell prints to hang over the fire. That's why the art world looks down on urban art. It's not because they are scared of its politics. They just don't think it is any good.
Said perfectly...
1) The established art world is notorious for promoting 'safe' art. I'm afraid I would challenge your initial premise. The established art world is far less conservative than the street/urban world. Grafitti tends to look the same the world over, with everyone imitating the original US scene. Now it is simple political stencils with pictures of monkeys. Or slightly distorted figurative work such as Neate and Herakut. Or yet another tiresome homage/rip of Warhol. People on this forum buy essentially the same pieces over and over again, and yet think they are being rebels. They are not. They are showing precisely the same level of taste as those who used to buy Norman Rockwell prints to hang over the fire. That's why the art world looks down on urban art. It's not because they are scared of its politics. They just don't think it is any good. Said perfectly... |
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The role of urban art, by rosstierney on Dec 3, 2008 2:44:10 GMT 1, know hope's a highly underrated artist
know hope's a highly underrated artist
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The role of urban art, by sfdoddsy on Dec 3, 2008 2:47:33 GMT 1, I guess if you had followed his art in Tel Aviv since its inception you might feel differently. Mind you we all have different tastes but I can assure you because I know him in person that he is as sincere as they come.
I don't doubt his sincerity. Perhaps that is the problem. His message is overwhelming his art. His stuff reminds me (in theme anyway) of a very well known Australian cartoonist and illustrator - Michael Leunig.
www.leunig.com.au
I like Leunig a lot, but I wouldn't call him an especially great artist.
I guess if you had followed his art in Tel Aviv since its inception you might feel differently. Mind you we all have different tastes but I can assure you because I know him in person that he is as sincere as they come. I don't doubt his sincerity. Perhaps that is the problem. His message is overwhelming his art. His stuff reminds me (in theme anyway) of a very well known Australian cartoonist and illustrator - Michael Leunig. www.leunig.com.auI like Leunig a lot, but I wouldn't call him an especially great artist. |
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The role of urban art, by remirough on Dec 3, 2008 10:22:17 GMT 1, I think that heavyconsumer has reached the central point of the issue. Can urban art be commercialised and still retain its integrity? Can street artists become "urban" artists and keep their integrity intact?.
Not really... because the bulk of consumers once something goes "mainstream" will lose interest... It's like Coldplay were so loved when they did Yellow and the older stuff, as soon as they made it big, they completely lost their original audience...
Best lose all the ridiculous genres and sub genre names... I'm just a painter, not a graffiti, street or urban artist, and certainly not a post graffitist as someone recently called me.
get over it man, if you just do your thing, people will get on board. if you over analyse things, as you clearly seem to be doing, you'll end up being ignored.
I think that heavyconsumer has reached the central point of the issue. Can urban art be commercialised and still retain its integrity? Can street artists become "urban" artists and keep their integrity intact?. Not really... because the bulk of consumers once something goes "mainstream" will lose interest... It's like Coldplay were so loved when they did Yellow and the older stuff, as soon as they made it big, they completely lost their original audience... Best lose all the ridiculous genres and sub genre names... I'm just a painter, not a graffiti, street or urban artist, and certainly not a post graffitist as someone recently called me. get over it man, if you just do your thing, people will get on board. if you over analyse things, as you clearly seem to be doing, you'll end up being ignored. |
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The role of urban art, by pezlow on Dec 3, 2008 11:04:21 GMT 1, 1) The established art world is notorious for promoting 'safe' art. I'm afraid I would challenge your initial premise. The established art world is far less conservative than the street/urban world. Grafitti tends to look the same the world over, with everyone imitating the original US scene. Now it is simple political stencils with pictures of monkeys. Or slightly distorted figurative work such as Neate and Herakut. Or yet another tiresome homage/rip of Warhol. People on this forum buy essentially the same pieces over and over again, and yet think they are being rebels. They are not. They are showing precisely the same level of taste as those who used to buy Norman Rockwell prints to hang over the fire. That's why the art world looks down on urban art. It's not because they are scared of its politics. They just don't think it is any good.
Excellent post and I have to say I agree. I don't see much art on these boards that is particularly challenging. There seems to be a prevailing view that the "traditional art world" whatever that may be is an unchallenging place.
Well sure it is if you go to the royal academy summer show or a local gallery selling watercolours.
But there is a bigger world out there of work that is far more disturbing and challenging than anything you will see on this board.
1) The established art world is notorious for promoting 'safe' art. I'm afraid I would challenge your initial premise. The established art world is far less conservative than the street/urban world. Grafitti tends to look the same the world over, with everyone imitating the original US scene. Now it is simple political stencils with pictures of monkeys. Or slightly distorted figurative work such as Neate and Herakut. Or yet another tiresome homage/rip of Warhol. People on this forum buy essentially the same pieces over and over again, and yet think they are being rebels. They are not. They are showing precisely the same level of taste as those who used to buy Norman Rockwell prints to hang over the fire. That's why the art world looks down on urban art. It's not because they are scared of its politics. They just don't think it is any good. Excellent post and I have to say I agree. I don't see much art on these boards that is particularly challenging. There seems to be a prevailing view that the "traditional art world" whatever that may be is an unchallenging place. Well sure it is if you go to the royal academy summer show or a local gallery selling watercolours. But there is a bigger world out there of work that is far more disturbing and challenging than anything you will see on this board. |
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The role of urban art, by skylarkin on Dec 3, 2008 11:06:56 GMT 1, Grafitti tends to look the same the world over, with everyone imitating the original US scene. Now it is simple political stencils with pictures of monkeys. Or slightly distorted figurative work such as Neate and Herakut. Or yet another tiresome homage/rip of Warhol.
Isn't this similar to saying that all Screen prints are trying to replicate the posters of the Soviet Union or South Korean propaganda prints? Or that aboriginal art is mearly another version of cave paintings?
If this is all you see and your view is popular then is it any wonder that it is a general view?
It would be interesting to see how old the average user of this board is. To my mind alot of the users are in the early to mid twenties. Banksy is a bit of an urban hero and people come here to pay homage and be 'part of the scene'. However to cast everybody into that mould would be a huge discredit. There are people on this forum (although you get the impression they are becoming fewer and far between) that have been on the scene since the early 90's that have not stopped or continued in the same rut but have expanded, experimented and taken the scene in different directions. What you see on this forum are a lot of people that are just starting on the lower rung and are where the originals were in the 90's.
Grafitti tends to look the same the world over, with everyone imitating the original US scene. Now it is simple political stencils with pictures of monkeys. Or slightly distorted figurative work such as Neate and Herakut. Or yet another tiresome homage/rip of Warhol. Isn't this similar to saying that all Screen prints are trying to replicate the posters of the Soviet Union or South Korean propaganda prints? Or that aboriginal art is mearly another version of cave paintings? If this is all you see and your view is popular then is it any wonder that it is a general view? It would be interesting to see how old the average user of this board is. To my mind alot of the users are in the early to mid twenties. Banksy is a bit of an urban hero and people come here to pay homage and be 'part of the scene'. However to cast everybody into that mould would be a huge discredit. There are people on this forum (although you get the impression they are becoming fewer and far between) that have been on the scene since the early 90's that have not stopped or continued in the same rut but have expanded, experimented and taken the scene in different directions. What you see on this forum are a lot of people that are just starting on the lower rung and are where the originals were in the 90's. |
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The role of urban art, by motor on Dec 3, 2008 11:51:13 GMT 1, Grafitti tends to look the same the world over, with everyone imitating the original US scene. Now it is simple political stencils with pictures of monkeys. Or slightly distorted figurative work such as Neate and Herakut. Or yet another tiresome homage/rip of Warhol. Isn't this similar to saying that all Screen prints are trying to replicate the posters of the Soviet Union or South Korean propaganda prints? Or that aboriginal art is mearly another version of cave paintings? If this is all you see and your view is popular then is it any wonder that it is a general view? It would be interesting to see how old the average user of this board is. To my mind alot of the users are in the early to mid twenties. Banksy is a bit of an urban hero and people come here to pay homage and be 'part of the scene'. However to cast everybody into that mould would be a huge discredit. There are people on this forum (although you get the impression they are becoming fewer and far between) that have been on the scene since the early 90's that have not stopped or continued in the same rut but have expanded, experimented and taken the scene in different directions. What you see on this forum are a lot of people that are just starting on the lower rung and are where the originals were in the 90's.
Agree with you Skylarkin.
Although I quite often agree with Sfdoddsy comments, this one is rather patronising one.
Grafitti tends to look the same the world over, with everyone imitating the original US scene. Now it is simple political stencils with pictures of monkeys. Or slightly distorted figurative work such as Neate and Herakut. Or yet another tiresome homage/rip of Warhol. Isn't this similar to saying that all Screen prints are trying to replicate the posters of the Soviet Union or South Korean propaganda prints? Or that aboriginal art is mearly another version of cave paintings? If this is all you see and your view is popular then is it any wonder that it is a general view? It would be interesting to see how old the average user of this board is. To my mind alot of the users are in the early to mid twenties. Banksy is a bit of an urban hero and people come here to pay homage and be 'part of the scene'. However to cast everybody into that mould would be a huge discredit. There are people on this forum (although you get the impression they are becoming fewer and far between) that have been on the scene since the early 90's that have not stopped or continued in the same rut but have expanded, experimented and taken the scene in different directions. What you see on this forum are a lot of people that are just starting on the lower rung and are where the originals were in the 90's. Agree with you Skylarkin. Although I quite often agree with Sfdoddsy comments, this one is rather patronising one. |
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The role of urban art, by motor on Dec 3, 2008 11:57:27 GMT 1, I don't see much art on these boards that is particularly challenging. But there is a bigger world out there of work that is far more disturbing and challenging than anything you will see on this board.
Agree Pez, but what do you expect?
You of all people here should know that there are/will be only a handful of artists from this scene which names will be still talked about in a few years time in this bigger world out there.
I don't see much art on these boards that is particularly challenging. But there is a bigger world out there of work that is far more disturbing and challenging than anything you will see on this board. Agree Pez, but what do you expect? You of all people here should know that there are/will be only a handful of artists from this scene which names will be still talked about in a few years time in this bigger world out there. |
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The role of urban art, by pezlow on Dec 3, 2008 12:32:06 GMT 1, I don't see much art on these boards that is particularly challenging. But there is a bigger world out there of work that is far more disturbing and challenging than anything you will see on this board. Agree Pez, but what do you expect? You of all people here should know that there are/will be only a handful of artists from this scene which names will be still talked about in a few years time in this bigger world out there.
Indeed.
And don't get me wrong you know I love a lot of the work by artists talked about on these board - Banksy, Faile, Neate, Swoon and Eine.
Ultimately at least 90% of art that is produced both on these boards and in the wider art world doesn't move me or do anything for me at all. That is probably true for most of us though.
I don't see much art on these boards that is particularly challenging. But there is a bigger world out there of work that is far more disturbing and challenging than anything you will see on this board. Agree Pez, but what do you expect? You of all people here should know that there are/will be only a handful of artists from this scene which names will be still talked about in a few years time in this bigger world out there. Indeed. And don't get me wrong you know I love a lot of the work by artists talked about on these board - Banksy, Faile, Neate, Swoon and Eine. Ultimately at least 90% of art that is produced both on these boards and in the wider art world doesn't move me or do anything for me at all. That is probably true for most of us though. |
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The role of urban art, by motor on Dec 3, 2008 13:15:21 GMT 1, Ultimately at least 90% of art that is produced both on these boards and in the wider art world doesn't move me or do anything for me at all. That is probably true for most of us though.
Something like that
Ultimately at least 90% of art that is produced both on these boards and in the wider art world doesn't move me or do anything for me at all. That is probably true for most of us though. Something like that |
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The role of urban art, by sfdoddsy on Dec 3, 2008 13:42:39 GMT 1, Grafitti tends to look the same the world over, with everyone imitating the original US scene. Now it is simple political stencils with pictures of monkeys. Or slightly distorted figurative work such as Neate and Herakut. Or yet another tiresome homage/rip of Warhol. Isn't this similar to saying that all Screen prints are trying to replicate the posters of the Soviet Union or South Korean propaganda prints? Or that aboriginal art is mearly another version of cave paintings? If this is all you see and your view is popular then is it any wonder that it is a general view?
Well, in the case of Shepard Fairey that is certainly true.
To me the vast majority of grafitti is stunningly derivative. The lettering and illustrative styles haven't progressed at all, and in fact seem to be positively restrictive. There was interesting interview with West recently where he mentioned the same thing. He even calls his shows Anti-Graff now.
Ditto the vast majority of stencilled or painted urban work. I would describe it as high-falutin' political cartoons.
The few exceptions to this, however, make it worthwhile to continue exploring. Artists like Bast, Supine, Vhils and Parla have a genuine energy and originality made even more glaring by the lack of it elsewhere.
Since you mentioned it, as an Aussie I feel exactly the same about Aboriginal art. The vast majority is produced in factory like conditions by exploited women and is then sold at huge markups to gullible housewives with a guilt complex. The same techniques and motifs are used again and again.
Oddly enough, those who buy Aboriginal art give much the same reasons as folk here who buy urban art. They think it is real, authentic and has pretty colours.
Grafitti tends to look the same the world over, with everyone imitating the original US scene. Now it is simple political stencils with pictures of monkeys. Or slightly distorted figurative work such as Neate and Herakut. Or yet another tiresome homage/rip of Warhol. Isn't this similar to saying that all Screen prints are trying to replicate the posters of the Soviet Union or South Korean propaganda prints? Or that aboriginal art is mearly another version of cave paintings? If this is all you see and your view is popular then is it any wonder that it is a general view? Well, in the case of Shepard Fairey that is certainly true. To me the vast majority of grafitti is stunningly derivative. The lettering and illustrative styles haven't progressed at all, and in fact seem to be positively restrictive. There was interesting interview with West recently where he mentioned the same thing. He even calls his shows Anti-Graff now. Ditto the vast majority of stencilled or painted urban work. I would describe it as high-falutin' political cartoons. The few exceptions to this, however, make it worthwhile to continue exploring. Artists like Bast, Supine, Vhils and Parla have a genuine energy and originality made even more glaring by the lack of it elsewhere. Since you mentioned it, as an Aussie I feel exactly the same about Aboriginal art. The vast majority is produced in factory like conditions by exploited women and is then sold at huge markups to gullible housewives with a guilt complex. The same techniques and motifs are used again and again. Oddly enough, those who buy Aboriginal art give much the same reasons as folk here who buy urban art. They think it is real, authentic and has pretty colours. |
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The role of urban art, by Mike Marcus on Dec 3, 2008 14:03:02 GMT 1, Yet the question remains. Do the people who consume (whether materially or conceptually) urban art want stuff that really pushes the boundaries. Or do they just want nice safe, mildly leftist, pretty pictures which are easy to categorise and define?
Yet the question remains. Do the people who consume (whether materially or conceptually) urban art want stuff that really pushes the boundaries. Or do they just want nice safe, mildly leftist, pretty pictures which are easy to categorise and define?
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The role of urban art, by skylarkin on Dec 3, 2008 14:37:03 GMT 1, Yet the question remains. Do the people who consume (whether materially or conceptually) urban art want stuff that really pushes the boundaries. Or do they just want nice safe, mildly leftist, pretty pictures which are easy to categorise and define?
As a quick reply I would say have a quick look at any three popular sites and see what are currently on their front pages.
E.G.
Banksyforum.proboards
BeautifulCrime.com
woostercollective.com
Yet the question remains. Do the people who consume (whether materially or conceptually) urban art want stuff that really pushes the boundaries. Or do they just want nice safe, mildly leftist, pretty pictures which are easy to categorise and define? As a quick reply I would say have a quick look at any three popular sites and see what are currently on their front pages. E.G. Banksyforum.proboards BeautifulCrime.com woostercollective.com |
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The role of urban art, by jonesy on Dec 3, 2008 16:17:32 GMT 1, The best of street, urban or guerilla art ( or whatever label you feel ok with) has an element of subversion, and often humour, that can get under your skin and leave you aware of the environment as having a different life going on in it.
I remember a few years ago seeing a stencil in a side alley, if not by Banksy but certainly derivative of his images (helicopter gunship), that was like seeing a fox in the city centre; a glimpse of another life that under lies the mundane and usual. It was exciting to think of that subversion existing and the spirit of anarchy, creativity and exuberance behind it in a world where the messengers of the state want us to be lulled into conformity.
For me, urban art has a role... to irritate, stimulate and provoke ...which this forum readily shows is the case...
Though it still makes me smile how many collectors want something that is 'wall-safe' too 
The best of street, urban or guerilla art ( or whatever label you feel ok with) has an element of subversion, and often humour, that can get under your skin and leave you aware of the environment as having a different life going on in it. I remember a few years ago seeing a stencil in a side alley, if not by Banksy but certainly derivative of his images (helicopter gunship), that was like seeing a fox in the city centre; a glimpse of another life that under lies the mundane and usual. It was exciting to think of that subversion existing and the spirit of anarchy, creativity and exuberance behind it in a world where the messengers of the state want us to be lulled into conformity. For me, urban art has a role... to irritate, stimulate and provoke ...which this forum readily shows is the case... Though it still makes me smile how many collectors want something that is 'wall-safe' too |
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The role of urban art, by Mike Marcus on Dec 3, 2008 16:27:56 GMT 1, So whats the perfect print? A monkey wearing a gasmask holding a ballon with a pseudo-political slogan on it and hugging a bomb. A helicopter flying overhead behind the Israel Palestine separation wall, trailing a banner with Obama's face on it and the slogan "obey"? Obviously on 2000 gsm deckled edge recycled velvet, signed from an addition of 2 :-)
So whats the perfect print? A monkey wearing a gasmask holding a ballon with a pseudo-political slogan on it and hugging a bomb. A helicopter flying overhead behind the Israel Palestine separation wall, trailing a banner with Obama's face on it and the slogan "obey"? Obviously on 2000 gsm deckled edge recycled velvet, signed from an addition of 2 :-)
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The role of urban art, by jonesy on Dec 3, 2008 16:39:53 GMT 1, Any and all of the above.....to someone on here. What to one person is a trite and well-worn image/statement is to someone else an eye opener or thought provoker. Your work, its placement and the effect that has had on you and others might put many to shame ; I think urban art can lead from the street wall to the living room wall and out to the barricades again, but not everyone can (or wants to) produce such work...more power to you for doing so
Any and all of the above.....to someone on here. What to one person is a trite and well-worn image/statement is to someone else an eye opener or thought provoker. Your work, its placement and the effect that has had on you and others might put many to shame ; I think urban art can lead from the street wall to the living room wall and out to the barricades again, but not everyone can (or wants to) produce such work...more power to you for doing so
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The role of urban art, by hero on Dec 3, 2008 18:29:35 GMT 1, i dont mean bright as in i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/mikebarlow/Rave-1.jpgbut if you have some wall, you can liven it up (word i probably should have used) each one then becomes a way of showing a point of view-the black and white is a very recognizable way of getting an image across...but its come a lot further now H Hey Hero, Sorry, when you said street art is all about making the world a brighter place, turning a wall into something full of colour and pictures, in your earlier post I thought you meant street art was all about turning a wall into something full of colour and pictures. My mistake.
the world is black and white...it needs metaphorical colour 
i dont mean bright as in i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/mikebarlow/Rave-1.jpgbut if you have some wall, you can liven it up (word i probably should have used) each one then becomes a way of showing a point of view-the black and white is a very recognizable way of getting an image across...but its come a lot further now H Hey Hero, Sorry, when you said street art is all about making the world a brighter place, turning a wall into something full of colour and pictures, in your earlier post I thought you meant street art was all about turning a wall into something full of colour and pictures. My mistake. the world is black and white...it needs metaphorical colour |
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The role of urban art, by bmjt on Dec 3, 2008 18:56:00 GMT 1, In my eyes, the 'perfect print' is simply a beautiful image, a message is obviously important, but first and foremost if it's pleasing to my eyes, i'm interested. Regardless of genre of art, be it street or otherwise.
In my eyes, the 'perfect print' is simply a beautiful image, a message is obviously important, but first and foremost if it's pleasing to my eyes, i'm interested. Regardless of genre of art, be it street or otherwise.
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The role of urban art, by Heavyconsumer on Dec 3, 2008 18:57:41 GMT 1, Yet the question remains. Do the people who consume (whether materially or conceptually) urban art want stuff that really pushes the boundaries. Or do they just want nice safe, mildly leftist, pretty pictures which are easy to categorize and define?
I can't generalize or speak for anyone else, but there's def' an element of truth in some of the latter comments in terms of what I buy/put on my walls. What I like seeing in the streets outside or even in galleries doesn't necessarily correlate with what I want to see at home. The world's a crazy place where many a corrupt, selfish or depraved act is taking place at any given moment. It's a place where control is disguised as pseudo-democratic freedom and sometimes free thinking is portrayed as anarchy. I have some pretty strong opinions and beliefs, but that doesn't necessarily mean that what I hang on my walls will display any of them. The environment I want to create in the small patch of world where I/we have near complete control, is not necessarily a place where I want to go about expressing all of my opinions about the wider world. Let's not confuse being an artist with being an art buyer/consumer here. Personally I could not care less whether the art I buy or its' creator is considered a part of this "scene" or not. I buy the art I buy because I like it, not because it's "urban" or trendy. It just so happens that my foray into art as a hobby, began with this "genre."
I can't help but feel the only boundaries which matter are those which are relevant to you as the artist. If you feel challenged and satisfied with what you produce that's fantastic and I can only imagine the pleasure derived from such creation. As for other boundaries, I'm not sure they are real at all, especially all this mainstream/commercial art world Vs subversive/street/urban art scene categorization. Seems like a waste of time to me.
Yet the question remains. Do the people who consume (whether materially or conceptually) urban art want stuff that really pushes the boundaries. Or do they just want nice safe, mildly leftist, pretty pictures which are easy to categorize and define? I can't generalize or speak for anyone else, but there's def' an element of truth in some of the latter comments in terms of what I buy/put on my walls. What I like seeing in the streets outside or even in galleries doesn't necessarily correlate with what I want to see at home. The world's a crazy place where many a corrupt, selfish or depraved act is taking place at any given moment. It's a place where control is disguised as pseudo-democratic freedom and sometimes free thinking is portrayed as anarchy. I have some pretty strong opinions and beliefs, but that doesn't necessarily mean that what I hang on my walls will display any of them. The environment I want to create in the small patch of world where I/we have near complete control, is not necessarily a place where I want to go about expressing all of my opinions about the wider world. Let's not confuse being an artist with being an art buyer/consumer here. Personally I could not care less whether the art I buy or its' creator is considered a part of this "scene" or not. I buy the art I buy because I like it, not because it's "urban" or trendy. It just so happens that my foray into art as a hobby, began with this "genre." I can't help but feel the only boundaries which matter are those which are relevant to you as the artist. If you feel challenged and satisfied with what you produce that's fantastic and I can only imagine the pleasure derived from such creation. As for other boundaries, I'm not sure they are real at all, especially all this mainstream/commercial art world Vs subversive/street/urban art scene categorization. Seems like a waste of time to me. |
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The role of urban art, by sfdoddsy on Dec 3, 2008 21:59:30 GMT 1, Yet the question remains. Do the people who consume (whether materially or conceptually) urban art want stuff that really pushes the boundaries. Or do they just want nice safe, mildly leftist, pretty pictures which are easy to categorise and define?
The latter. Look at the stampede for the latest Banksy. Or Faile. Or D*Face. Or Dolk. Or Nick Walker. Or the weekly stampede for latest Fairey.
Yet the question remains. Do the people who consume (whether materially or conceptually) urban art want stuff that really pushes the boundaries. Or do they just want nice safe, mildly leftist, pretty pictures which are easy to categorise and define? The latter. Look at the stampede for the latest Banksy. Or Faile. Or D*Face. Or Dolk. Or Nick Walker. Or the weekly stampede for latest Fairey. |
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The role of urban art, by hero on Dec 3, 2008 22:02:43 GMT 1, everyone consumes urban art...there are passive consumers who see your work in the street and then there are the real consumers who buy them
an image can be harsh-I always buy work that speaks to me or that looks aesthetically pleasing-the problem i see with the print market is that it has to be framed...im working on it ;D
everyone consumes urban art...there are passive consumers who see your work in the street and then there are the real consumers who buy them
an image can be harsh-I always buy work that speaks to me or that looks aesthetically pleasing-the problem i see with the print market is that it has to be framed...im working on it ;D
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The role of urban art, by jamesreeve5 on Dec 3, 2008 22:16:17 GMT 1, In my eyes, the 'perfect print' is simply a beautiful image, a message is obviously important, but first and foremost if it's pleasing to my eyes, i'm interested.
I have heard these words spoken to justify the purchases of both Warhols and Kinkades. Go figure...
What is most surprising is that we all seem to be in some sort of agreement over the subject. After sfdoddsy's comments, I expected the cavalry to come in defending "street art" as THE next important movement in the history of art, debate ensuing, name calling occurring, and the thread eventually getting the lock of death by Silky.
On the contrary, we get people not out to defend the importance or relevance of the movement, but rather admitting they buy simply what they aesthetically prefer. Like a Kinkade buyer, they have no grandiose visions of having the next Van Gogh hanging on their wall, but instead are happy to be able to purchase something that is visually pleasing and within their price range.
In my eyes, the 'perfect print' is simply a beautiful image, a message is obviously important, but first and foremost if it's pleasing to my eyes, i'm interested. I have heard these words spoken to justify the purchases of both Warhols and Kinkades. Go figure... What is most surprising is that we all seem to be in some sort of agreement over the subject. After sfdoddsy's comments, I expected the cavalry to come in defending "street art" as THE next important movement in the history of art, debate ensuing, name calling occurring, and the thread eventually getting the lock of death by Silky. On the contrary, we get people not out to defend the importance or relevance of the movement, but rather admitting they buy simply what they aesthetically prefer. Like a Kinkade buyer, they have no grandiose visions of having the next Van Gogh hanging on their wall, but instead are happy to be able to purchase something that is visually pleasing and within their price range. |
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The role of urban art, by bmjt on Dec 3, 2008 22:51:49 GMT 1, Why should I have motives beyond that? Why would I buy work I don't enjoy looking at and does not speak to me in any way, simply for the sake of a movement? I don't really understand your viewpoint. I do see the importance of street art as a medium, I wrote a dissertation on it, yet that shouldn't get in the way of what I want on my wall.
Why should I have motives beyond that? Why would I buy work I don't enjoy looking at and does not speak to me in any way, simply for the sake of a movement? I don't really understand your viewpoint. I do see the importance of street art as a medium, I wrote a dissertation on it, yet that shouldn't get in the way of what I want on my wall.
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The role of urban art, by motor on Dec 3, 2008 22:57:11 GMT 1, Yet the question remains. Do the people who consume (whether materially or conceptually) urban art want stuff that really pushes the boundaries. Or do they just want nice safe, mildly leftist, pretty pictures which are easy to categorise and define?
I absolutely love this piece by Micallef.
However would I love it hanging in my house so my kids can look at it day after day?
Yet the question remains. Do the people who consume (whether materially or conceptually) urban art want stuff that really pushes the boundaries. Or do they just want nice safe, mildly leftist, pretty pictures which are easy to categorise and define? I absolutely love this piece by Micallef. However would I love it hanging in my house so my kids can look at it day after day? |
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The role of urban art, by Mike Marcus on Dec 3, 2008 22:58:09 GMT 1, From an artists point of view the conclusion although expected is a little disappointing.
From an artists point of view the conclusion although expected is a little disappointing.
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The role of urban art, by Gurn on Dec 3, 2008 23:22:41 GMT 1, From an artists point of view the conclusion although expected is a little disappointing.
It depends on what you think the conclusion is..I think it's reasonable to assume that people on this forum support the pushing of boundries on the street where things evolve and change,but to live with a strong,perhaps ugly/horrific image,however stong and meritous is asking a lot.It doesn't mean that it's not appreciated as much.I think this is the point motor makes regarding the Micallef.James also has valid points although I think the backlash he expected doesn't come from members who read threads on the merit of art.
From an artists point of view the conclusion although expected is a little disappointing. It depends on what you think the conclusion is..I think it's reasonable to assume that people on this forum support the pushing of boundries on the street where things evolve and change,but to live with a strong,perhaps ugly/horrific image,however stong and meritous is asking a lot.It doesn't mean that it's not appreciated as much.I think this is the point motor makes regarding the Micallef.James also has valid points although I think the backlash he expected doesn't come from members who read threads on the merit of art. |
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The role of urban art, by jamesreeve5 on Dec 3, 2008 23:34:28 GMT 1, James also has valid points although I think the backlash he expected doesn't come from members who read threads on the merit of art.
Should I cut and paste this whole conversation into the "WILL POW CRASH AGAIN ON NEXT BANKSYS RELEASE?" thread?
James also has valid points although I think the backlash he expected doesn't come from members who read threads on the merit of art. Should I cut and paste this whole conversation into the "WILL POW CRASH AGAIN ON NEXT BANKSYS RELEASE?" thread? |
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The role of urban art, by Mike Marcus on Dec 3, 2008 23:42:16 GMT 1, go on then... I dare you.
What happened anyway? No.. Actually I don't want to know! :-)
go on then... I dare you.
What happened anyway? No.. Actually I don't want to know! :-)
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