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Banksy Street Cred?, by Daniel Silk on Jul 16, 2008 11:41:43 GMT 1, www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=a7rLqNRY1bs8&refer=home
A Bourgeois Banksy May Risk Losing Street Creds: Martin Gayford Commentary by Martin Gayford
July 16 (Bloomberg) -- Has Banksy's reputation been fatally damaged by speculation that he is middle class?
There are, of course, still doubts about the claims, published last weekend by the Mail on Sunday, that the mysterious graffiti artist is a privately educated 34-year-old from Bristol named Robin Gunningham.
This is not the first attempt to unmask him. I was confidently informed last year by a fellow artist, who thought he had encountered the undercover painter in a London restaurant, that Banksy's name was Robin Banks. This sounded suspicious -- the name being a little too close to Robin Hood. Banksy's fame has fed on such rumors.
Assuming that the London newspaper's investigative team has pinned him down, will that harm the Banksy myth? His high prices and attendant publicity have been fueled by the mystery over his identity. He has been, as the Mail on Sunday put it, the Scarlet Pimpernel of art: They sought him here, they sought him there.
The allure of this enigma -- irresistibly attractive to journalists -- is reduced by the information, if accurate, that he is the offspring of a retired contracts manager, and attended Bristol Cathedral School. Is this respectable background going to reduce him in the eyes of fans such as Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, who according to the New Yorker magazine bought several Banksy works at a Los Angeles exhibition?
Middle-Class Myths
Personally, I doubt it. We are too fond of myths and legends concerning artists. The sad truth about them is that they are all middle class. Making art is a middle-class occupation; it has been since at least the Renaissance. Nonetheless, there is a longstanding appetite for stories about artists being poverty- stricken, drunken outcasts.
Who would recognize the description of a late 19th-century artist, one of whose uncles was an admiral and another a powerful art dealer, who lived and painted in the south of France on a private income? Yet that is a perfectly factual description of the circumstances of Vincent van Gogh.
I once asked Tracey Emin whether she felt any kinship with Van Gogh. No, she replied, since he was a spoiled rich boy whose sufferings were voluntary and self-inflicted. She was right, up to a point. Obviously, Van Gogh felt desperate and harried by financial need. Still, such things are relative.
Van Gogh's Ear
The allowance from his brother Theo on which Van Gogh struggled to exist in Arles was around twice the amount on which his friend Roulin, a postal supervisor, was supporting a wife and three children. The artist's poverty was not severe enough to prevent his employing a cleaning lady. Van Gogh's cleaning lady, however, is never going to seize the world's imagination in the same manner as his severed ear.
For that matter, Emin herself is more bourgeois than you might imagine. As she recounts in her autobiography, ``Strangeland,'' when she was young her parents ran a hotel in Margate. Admittedly, things went downhill after that.
Artists create their own personal fables -- it's part of the job. Still, we love them. For that reason, I suspect that Banksy's fans will forgive and forget the contract-managing dad and the public school, and continue to believe in the dashing Scarlet Pimpernel of graffiti art. The question with him is whether the art is as good as the storyline. About that, I'm not so sure.
(Martin Gayford is a critic for Bloomberg News. Opinions expressed are his own.)
www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=a7rLqNRY1bs8&refer=homeA Bourgeois Banksy May Risk Losing Street Creds: Martin Gayford Commentary by Martin Gayford July 16 (Bloomberg) -- Has Banksy's reputation been fatally damaged by speculation that he is middle class? There are, of course, still doubts about the claims, published last weekend by the Mail on Sunday, that the mysterious graffiti artist is a privately educated 34-year-old from Bristol named Robin Gunningham. This is not the first attempt to unmask him. I was confidently informed last year by a fellow artist, who thought he had encountered the undercover painter in a London restaurant, that Banksy's name was Robin Banks. This sounded suspicious -- the name being a little too close to Robin Hood. Banksy's fame has fed on such rumors. Assuming that the London newspaper's investigative team has pinned him down, will that harm the Banksy myth? His high prices and attendant publicity have been fueled by the mystery over his identity. He has been, as the Mail on Sunday put it, the Scarlet Pimpernel of art: They sought him here, they sought him there. The allure of this enigma -- irresistibly attractive to journalists -- is reduced by the information, if accurate, that he is the offspring of a retired contracts manager, and attended Bristol Cathedral School. Is this respectable background going to reduce him in the eyes of fans such as Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, who according to the New Yorker magazine bought several Banksy works at a Los Angeles exhibition? Middle-Class Myths Personally, I doubt it. We are too fond of myths and legends concerning artists. The sad truth about them is that they are all middle class. Making art is a middle-class occupation; it has been since at least the Renaissance. Nonetheless, there is a longstanding appetite for stories about artists being poverty- stricken, drunken outcasts. Who would recognize the description of a late 19th-century artist, one of whose uncles was an admiral and another a powerful art dealer, who lived and painted in the south of France on a private income? Yet that is a perfectly factual description of the circumstances of Vincent van Gogh. I once asked Tracey Emin whether she felt any kinship with Van Gogh. No, she replied, since he was a spoiled rich boy whose sufferings were voluntary and self-inflicted. She was right, up to a point. Obviously, Van Gogh felt desperate and harried by financial need. Still, such things are relative. Van Gogh's Ear The allowance from his brother Theo on which Van Gogh struggled to exist in Arles was around twice the amount on which his friend Roulin, a postal supervisor, was supporting a wife and three children. The artist's poverty was not severe enough to prevent his employing a cleaning lady. Van Gogh's cleaning lady, however, is never going to seize the world's imagination in the same manner as his severed ear. For that matter, Emin herself is more bourgeois than you might imagine. As she recounts in her autobiography, ``Strangeland,'' when she was young her parents ran a hotel in Margate. Admittedly, things went downhill after that. Artists create their own personal fables -- it's part of the job. Still, we love them. For that reason, I suspect that Banksy's fans will forgive and forget the contract-managing dad and the public school, and continue to believe in the dashing Scarlet Pimpernel of graffiti art. The question with him is whether the art is as good as the storyline. About that, I'm not so sure. (Martin Gayford is a critic for Bloomberg News. Opinions expressed are his own.)
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Banksy Street Cred?, by beatman321 on Jul 16, 2008 12:58:45 GMT 1, middle class upper class who gives a crap....dude goes out in the middle of the night to paint walls in shorditch...he most prob a multi million air just of hes work alone.......plus hes one of the best stencil artist in the world.......who cares what his background is............let the art do the talking not the money
middle class upper class who gives a crap....dude goes out in the middle of the night to paint walls in shorditch...he most prob a multi million air just of hes work alone.......plus hes one of the best stencil artist in the world.......who cares what his background is............let the art do the talking not the money
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Banksy Street Cred?, by jonpud on Jul 16, 2008 13:06:36 GMT 1, It was never about money when he started, hat just came along accidentally with greedy management and demand for his work!
And as it wasn't about money when he started I can't see his 'street cred' going down in the slightest!
It was never about money when he started, hat just came along accidentally with greedy management and demand for his work!
And as it wasn't about money when he started I can't see his 'street cred' going down in the slightest!
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Banksy Street Cred?, by beatman321 on Jul 16, 2008 14:04:10 GMT 1, it always boils down to money with these people.......banksy has enough street cred...........nuf said
it always boils down to money with these people.......banksy has enough street cred...........nuf said
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Banksy Street Cred?, by ceba on Jul 16, 2008 17:24:42 GMT 1, Why the big surprize?. its Obvious from his work that he's probably not your average working class bloke. But why all the fuss about what class he comes from,1000s of people go to art school every year some are time wasters and many give up at the first hurdle. Banksy clearly is not only a clever guy but has had the passion and conviction to stay with it Its tough to get to the top in any profesison and he should be admired for that alone. Steet art has always been the psychotic distant relation to the mainstream. Banksy spearheaded its respectability and made way for the now newguard. and since- London has now some of the best street art in the world. Amatur spontanety placed up the night before is where the focus should be. NOT all the concentration on who he is and what class for the sake of media voyerisum (spelling) he comes from. For Tracy Emin to comment on Van Gogh again from a position of class is foolish IMO. Fransis Bacon in an interview when asked why the picture of Van Gogh on the studio wall? Replied He's the only painter I know who can paint a picture of nature better than the real thing. I wonder if any one will say that of Tracy Emins battlefields in years to come?. Forget this nonsense with class, its the merits of the work that counts surely. The only time i'll think Banksy has lost his respectability is when i see his images for sale on teacups in Argos or key fobs and badges in Woolworths.
Why the big surprize?. its Obvious from his work that he's probably not your average working class bloke. But why all the fuss about what class he comes from,1000s of people go to art school every year some are time wasters and many give up at the first hurdle. Banksy clearly is not only a clever guy but has had the passion and conviction to stay with it Its tough to get to the top in any profesison and he should be admired for that alone. Steet art has always been the psychotic distant relation to the mainstream. Banksy spearheaded its respectability and made way for the now newguard. and since- London has now some of the best street art in the world. Amatur spontanety placed up the night before is where the focus should be. NOT all the concentration on who he is and what class for the sake of media voyerisum (spelling) he comes from. For Tracy Emin to comment on Van Gogh again from a position of class is foolish IMO. Fransis Bacon in an interview when asked why the picture of Van Gogh on the studio wall? Replied He's the only painter I know who can paint a picture of nature better than the real thing. I wonder if any one will say that of Tracy Emins battlefields in years to come?. Forget this nonsense with class, its the merits of the work that counts surely. The only time i'll think Banksy has lost his respectability is when i see his images for sale on teacups in Argos or key fobs and badges in Woolworths.
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Banksy Street Cred?, by raiden on Jul 16, 2008 18:20:41 GMT 1, Can we also point out Banksy isn't the first artist nor graffiti artist to come from a privileged background.
Top US tagger JA came from a far more privileged background (which he repudiated) and still somehow maintains his street cred. His dad directed Rocky I believe and paid a $100,000 settlement with NYC out of pocket to avoid JA going to jail.
John Fekner went to private Catholic School.
Keith Harring went to private art school. Had a fairly well to do background.
Basquiat's dad was an interior minister from Haiti, and while he wasn't rich, he more or less chose to drop of out high school and live meagerly.
Warhol went to private school.
A bunch of other artists got their leap in the art establishment from going to art universities.
Point being, his parents were well to do enough to secure a good education for Robin... he obviously chose to then immerse himself in the hip hop and graffiti scene only to become Banksy.
Can we also point out Banksy isn't the first artist nor graffiti artist to come from a privileged background.
Top US tagger JA came from a far more privileged background (which he repudiated) and still somehow maintains his street cred. His dad directed Rocky I believe and paid a $100,000 settlement with NYC out of pocket to avoid JA going to jail.
John Fekner went to private Catholic School.
Keith Harring went to private art school. Had a fairly well to do background.
Basquiat's dad was an interior minister from Haiti, and while he wasn't rich, he more or less chose to drop of out high school and live meagerly.
Warhol went to private school.
A bunch of other artists got their leap in the art establishment from going to art universities.
Point being, his parents were well to do enough to secure a good education for Robin... he obviously chose to then immerse himself in the hip hop and graffiti scene only to become Banksy.
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Banksy Street Cred?, by lee3 on Jul 16, 2008 19:16:04 GMT 1, I can't see anyone that truly appreciates art giving any kind of priority to work that is created by a poor or wealthy artist. It's the work that counts, not the upbringing. The latter is just an interesting note to give the admirerer context into the artist's background.
I can't see anyone that truly appreciates art giving any kind of priority to work that is created by a poor or wealthy artist. It's the work that counts, not the upbringing. The latter is just an interesting note to give the admirerer context into the artist's background.
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Banksy Street Cred?, by motor on Jul 16, 2008 22:23:41 GMT 1, I can't see anyone that truly appreciates art giving any kind of priority to work that is created by a poor or wealthy artist. It's the work that counts, not the upbringing. The latter is just an interesting note to give the admirerer context into the artist's background.
I totally agree with your comment Lee3.
I can't see anyone that truly appreciates art giving any kind of priority to work that is created by a poor or wealthy artist. It's the work that counts, not the upbringing. The latter is just an interesting note to give the admirerer context into the artist's background. I totally agree with your comment Lee3.
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Banksy Street Cred?, by bobbymeachamjr on Jul 16, 2008 22:37:43 GMT 1, I totally disagree. Art is about emotions and expressions of your inner self. Sorry, rich kids doing the "vandal" thing ain't working...
I totally disagree. Art is about emotions and expressions of your inner self. Sorry, rich kids doing the "vandal" thing ain't working...
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Banksy Street Cred?, by motor on Jul 16, 2008 22:50:39 GMT 1, I totally disagree. Art is about emotions and expressions of your inner self. Sorry, rich kids doing the "vandal" thing ain't working...
I don't get that. Well you mean if you were born to the parents who were rich you can't have "emotions and expressions of your inner self" or being "Vandal"? IMO that's just a prejudice. I see and rate the artist through his art and not through where he was brought up or how much money his parents have.
I totally disagree. Art is about emotions and expressions of your inner self. Sorry, rich kids doing the "vandal" thing ain't working... I don't get that. Well you mean if you were born to the parents who were rich you can't have "emotions and expressions of your inner self" or being "Vandal"? IMO that's just a prejudice. I see and rate the artist through his art and not through where he was brought up or how much money his parents have.
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Banksy Street Cred?, by felix on Jul 16, 2008 22:50:58 GMT 1, I totally disagree. Art is about emoticons.
I totally disagree. Art is about emoticons.
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Banksy Street Cred?, by Winter on Jul 16, 2008 22:54:53 GMT 1, The great thing about Banksy's work is the consistency of his ideas. That's what really makes the difference between him and the rest. His background is irrelevant.
The great thing about Banksy's work is the consistency of his ideas. That's what really makes the difference between him and the rest. His background is irrelevant.
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Banksy Street Cred?, by bobbymeachamjr on Jul 16, 2008 23:23:55 GMT 1, I totally disagree. Art is about emotions and expressions of your inner self. Sorry, rich kids doing the "vandal" thing ain't working... I don't get that. Well you mean if you were born to the parents who were rich you can't have "emotions and expressions of your inner self" or being "Vandal"? IMO that's just a prejudice. I see and rate the artist through his art and not through where he was brought up or how much money his parents have.
Can't have it both ways. Street art is supposed to be "different" remember? Its about from the ground rebellion, not about the "art school". If it was just about the technical portion of art then we wouldn't be here on this very board...
I totally disagree. Art is about emotions and expressions of your inner self. Sorry, rich kids doing the "vandal" thing ain't working... I don't get that. Well you mean if you were born to the parents who were rich you can't have "emotions and expressions of your inner self" or being "Vandal"? IMO that's just a prejudice. I see and rate the artist through his art and not through where he was brought up or how much money his parents have. Can't have it both ways. Street art is supposed to be "different" remember? Its about from the ground rebellion, not about the "art school". If it was just about the technical portion of art then we wouldn't be here on this very board...
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Banksy Street Cred?, by felix on Jul 16, 2008 23:28:51 GMT 1, I'm sorry Bobby, but it is a really silly argument - I know people who were forced to go to Public schools and are some of the most interesting people I have met and extremely anti-establishment (whatever you call it). You can't stereotype people because of their upbringing / background.
I'm sorry Bobby, but it is a really silly argument - I know people who were forced to go to Public schools and are some of the most interesting people I have met and extremely anti-establishment (whatever you call it). You can't stereotype people because of their upbringing / background.
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Banksy Street Cred?, by bobbymeachamjr on Jul 16, 2008 23:52:09 GMT 1, If it doesn't bother you one bit then fine Others might be. Would you listen to a Harvard educated upper class kid rapping about ghetto life?
If it doesn't bother you one bit then fine Others might be. Would you listen to a Harvard educated upper class kid rapping about ghetto life?
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Banksy Street Cred?, by jB on Jul 17, 2008 0:07:02 GMT 1, I totally disagree. Art is about emoticons.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
The upbringing is probably why he is so intelligent and has the ability to articulate his views on walls with stencils for us to all enjoy
doesn't one bit change my view on him
I totally disagree. Art is about emoticons. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D The upbringing is probably why he is so intelligent and has the ability to articulate his views on walls with stencils for us to all enjoy doesn't one bit change my view on him
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Banksy Street Cred?, by BONGO on Jul 17, 2008 10:11:56 GMT 1, If it doesn't bother you one bit then fine Others might be. Would you listen to a Harvard educated upper class kid rapping about ghetto life?
BONGO NOTES WITH INTEREST THAT THE NEXT LIKELY WHITE HOUSE INCUMBENT HAS MADE GREAT PLAY OF GHETTO LIFE, DESPITE BEING THE OFFSPRING OF A HARVARD GRADUATE AND OBTAINING AN EDUCATION THERE HIMSELF
If it doesn't bother you one bit then fine Others might be. Would you listen to a Harvard educated upper class kid rapping about ghetto life? BONGO NOTES WITH INTEREST THAT THE NEXT LIKELY WHITE HOUSE INCUMBENT HAS MADE GREAT PLAY OF GHETTO LIFE, DESPITE BEING THE OFFSPRING OF A HARVARD GRADUATE AND OBTAINING AN EDUCATION THERE HIMSELF
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Banksy Street Cred?, by onemandown72 on Jul 17, 2008 10:21:00 GMT 1, I don't get that. Well you mean if you were born to the parents who were rich you can't have "emotions and expressions of your inner self" or being "Vandal"? IMO that's just a prejudice. I see and rate the artist through his art and not through where he was brought up or how much money his parents have. Can't have it both ways. Street art is supposed to be "different" remember? Its about from the ground rebellion, not about the "art school". If it was just about the technical portion of art then we wouldn't be here on this very board...
Is it the work itself, or the individual executing it that you value? Does Banksy make any claims through his work that he hasn't had personal experience of? Do you have to have been a destructive addict to know that it's not the best way to lead you're life?
I don't get that. Well you mean if you were born to the parents who were rich you can't have "emotions and expressions of your inner self" or being "Vandal"? IMO that's just a prejudice. I see and rate the artist through his art and not through where he was brought up or how much money his parents have. Can't have it both ways. Street art is supposed to be "different" remember? Its about from the ground rebellion, not about the "art school". If it was just about the technical portion of art then we wouldn't be here on this very board... Is it the work itself, or the individual executing it that you value? Does Banksy make any claims through his work that he hasn't had personal experience of? Do you have to have been a destructive addict to know that it's not the best way to lead you're life?
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Banksy Street Cred?, by brun on Jul 17, 2008 11:06:52 GMT 1, the man keeps a low profile and good on him , he may have a good education , but we all have demons and problems ! seems the posher you are the bigger they get ...... its art street or otherwise and if you like it , you like it ! he does not claim to be from any ghettos or speak like tim westwood ( mind you never heard him speak) !
the man keeps a low profile and good on him , he may have a good education , but we all have demons and problems ! seems the posher you are the bigger they get ...... its art street or otherwise and if you like it , you like it ! he does not claim to be from any ghettos or speak like tim westwood ( mind you never heard him speak) !
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Banksy Street Cred?, by crazyarsemother on Jul 17, 2008 11:18:38 GMT 1, Apparantly Van Gogh only cut off his ear lobe. About a cm tops.
Apparantly Van Gogh only cut off his ear lobe. About a cm tops.
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Banksy Street Cred?, by thesewalls on Jul 17, 2008 11:29:50 GMT 1, well said onemandown72, well said. and besides, aren't the streets about equality? common grounds? community? like Banksy said, we need more streakers in this crazy race that we run called life. he is only doing what he feels to be his part in society, and wow what a contributer. the rest sold itself cause it's pure quality. street art evolution at its best.
well said onemandown72, well said. and besides, aren't the streets about equality? common grounds? community? like Banksy said, we need more streakers in this crazy race that we run called life. he is only doing what he feels to be his part in society, and wow what a contributer. the rest sold itself cause it's pure quality. street art evolution at its best.
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Banksy Street Cred?, by jh153 on Jul 17, 2008 16:18:45 GMT 1, Banksy is such a legend, he should become a superstar dj aswell.
Banksy is such a legend, he should become a superstar dj aswell.
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Banksy Street Cred?, by mcster on Jul 17, 2008 18:15:42 GMT 1, There's too much made of this class thing, to nick the punk analogy from another thread, Joe Strummer was middle class, but it didn't affect the soul and passion of his work. Maybe one the reasons Banksy stayed anon for so long was that he didn't want his class being judged over his work?
There's too much made of this class thing, to nick the punk analogy from another thread, Joe Strummer was middle class, but it didn't affect the soul and passion of his work. Maybe one the reasons Banksy stayed anon for so long was that he didn't want his class being judged over his work?
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Banksy Street Cred?, by bobbymeachamjr on Jul 17, 2008 18:28:33 GMT 1, If it doesn't bother you one bit then fine Others might be. Would you listen to a Harvard educated upper class kid rapping about ghetto life? BONGO NOTES WITH INTEREST THAT THE NEXT LIKELY WHITE HOUSE INCUMBENT HAS MADE GREAT PLAY OF GHETTO LIFE, DESPITE BEING THE OFFSPRING OF A HARVARD GRADUATE AND OBTAINING AN EDUCATION THERE HIMSELF
AND that is why he is a joke. To those who really follow and care about the issues he is arguably worse off than, say Hillary. Same conservative stance on issues but now the right wingers, the racists, and the privileged in America would be able to proclaim that "look we have a black man as president, theres no such thing as racism anymore"
If it doesn't bother you one bit then fine Others might be. Would you listen to a Harvard educated upper class kid rapping about ghetto life? BONGO NOTES WITH INTEREST THAT THE NEXT LIKELY WHITE HOUSE INCUMBENT HAS MADE GREAT PLAY OF GHETTO LIFE, DESPITE BEING THE OFFSPRING OF A HARVARD GRADUATE AND OBTAINING AN EDUCATION THERE HIMSELF AND that is why he is a joke. To those who really follow and care about the issues he is arguably worse off than, say Hillary. Same conservative stance on issues but now the right wingers, the racists, and the privileged in America would be able to proclaim that "look we have a black man as president, theres no such thing as racism anymore"
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Banksy Street Cred?, by jamesreeve5 on Jul 17, 2008 19:47:06 GMT 1, BONGO NOTES WITH INTEREST THAT THE NEXT LIKELY WHITE HOUSE INCUMBENT HAS MADE GREAT PLAY OF GHETTO LIFE, DESPITE BEING THE OFFSPRING OF A HARVARD GRADUATE AND OBTAINING AN EDUCATION THERE HIMSELF AND that is why he is a joke. To those who really follow and care about the issues he is arguably worse off than, say Hillary. Same conservative stance on issues but now the right wingers, the racists, and the privileged in America would be able to proclaim that "look we have a black man as president, theres no such thing as racism anymore"
Am I missing something here? Obama is a liberal, and he never has said he's come from the ghetto (much to the ire of Jessie Jackson).
BONGO NOTES WITH INTEREST THAT THE NEXT LIKELY WHITE HOUSE INCUMBENT HAS MADE GREAT PLAY OF GHETTO LIFE, DESPITE BEING THE OFFSPRING OF A HARVARD GRADUATE AND OBTAINING AN EDUCATION THERE HIMSELF AND that is why he is a joke. To those who really follow and care about the issues he is arguably worse off than, say Hillary. Same conservative stance on issues but now the right wingers, the racists, and the privileged in America would be able to proclaim that "look we have a black man as president, theres no such thing as racism anymore" Am I missing something here? Obama is a liberal, and he never has said he's come from the ghetto (much to the ire of Jessie Jackson).
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Banksy Street Cred?, by jamesreeve5 on Jul 17, 2008 19:49:09 GMT 1, Also, Dash Snow has gotten a lot of flack because his art focuses on street life (he ran away hen he was 14), but his grandmother is a de Menil.
Also, Dash Snow has gotten a lot of flack because his art focuses on street life (he ran away hen he was 14), but his grandmother is a de Menil.
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Banksy Street Cred?, by bobbymeachamjr on Jul 17, 2008 21:07:00 GMT 1, AND that is why he is a joke. To those who really follow and care about the issues he is arguably worse off than, say Hillary. Same conservative stance on issues but now the right wingers, the racists, and the privileged in America would be able to proclaim that "look we have a black man as president, theres no such thing as racism anymore" Am I missing something here? Obama is a liberal, and he never has said he's come from the ghetto (much to the ire of Jessie Jackson).
Obama is a liberal because he said so or some media labels him so? How about taking a look @ his stance on the major issues. Obviously, hes not a true liberal...
AND that is why he is a joke. To those who really follow and care about the issues he is arguably worse off than, say Hillary. Same conservative stance on issues but now the right wingers, the racists, and the privileged in America would be able to proclaim that "look we have a black man as president, theres no such thing as racism anymore" Am I missing something here? Obama is a liberal, and he never has said he's come from the ghetto (much to the ire of Jessie Jackson). Obama is a liberal because he said so or some media labels him so? How about taking a look @ his stance on the major issues. Obviously, hes not a true liberal...
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Banksy Street Cred?, by jamesreeve5 on Jul 17, 2008 22:48:24 GMT 1, Am I missing something here? Obama is a liberal, and he never has said he's come from the ghetto (much to the ire of Jessie Jackson). Obama is a liberal because he said so or some media labels him so? How about taking a look @ his stance on the major issues. Obviously, hes not a true liberal...
He's a liberal because he backs economic plans that place the largest tax burdens on the top 1% of income earners. He is pro-abortion, and wants universal healthcare implemented in our country. All sounds liberal to me...
Am I missing something here? Obama is a liberal, and he never has said he's come from the ghetto (much to the ire of Jessie Jackson). Obama is a liberal because he said so or some media labels him so? How about taking a look @ his stance on the major issues. Obviously, hes not a true liberal... He's a liberal because he backs economic plans that place the largest tax burdens on the top 1% of income earners. He is pro-abortion, and wants universal healthcare implemented in our country. All sounds liberal to me...
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Banksy Street Cred?, by jamesreeve5 on Jul 17, 2008 22:53:10 GMT 1, what is not liberal about him bobby?
what is not liberal about him bobby?
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Banksy Street Cred?, by jB on Jul 17, 2008 23:55:53 GMT 1, what is not liberal about him bobby?
lets not turn this thread into a political mess
what is not liberal about him bobby? lets not turn this thread into a political mess
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