drhouse
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TomTom Prov, by drhouse on Jun 29, 2008 15:38:42 GMT 1, Could anyone please tell me what TomTom prov would look like? Is it just a shop style receipt or can they confirm ownership like POW? Is it risky to rely on it to determine authenticity? Ta
Could anyone please tell me what TomTom prov would look like? Is it just a shop style receipt or can they confirm ownership like POW? Is it risky to rely on it to determine authenticity? Ta
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jones27
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TomTom Prov, by jones27 on Jun 29, 2008 17:02:43 GMT 1, With me they sent out a piece of letter headed paper which confirmed everything. They were very helpful.
With me they sent out a piece of letter headed paper which confirmed everything. They were very helpful.
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TomTom Prov, by skitch on Jun 29, 2008 18:10:36 GMT 1, tom tom wouldnt deal with fake stuff, they deal directly with pow
tom tom wouldnt deal with fake stuff, they deal directly with pow
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TomTom Prov, by manchestermike on Jun 29, 2008 18:22:48 GMT 1, tom tom wouldnt deal with fake stuff, they deal directly with pow
Won't they?
Do they?
tom tom wouldnt deal with fake stuff, they deal directly with pow Won't they? Do they? |
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TomTom Prov, by onemandown72 on Jun 29, 2008 18:39:16 GMT 1, Mists of time shrouding relationship with Tom Tom & POW!
Mists of time shrouding relationship with Tom Tom & POW!
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TomTom Prov, by funkrye on Jun 29, 2008 19:39:33 GMT 1, tom tom wouldnt deal with fake stuff, they deal directly with pow
Get your facts correct before making bold statements.....
tom tom wouldnt deal with fake stuff, they deal directly with pow Get your facts correct before making bold statements..... |
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danvnuk
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TomTom Prov, by danvnuk on Jun 29, 2008 22:55:52 GMT 1, tom tom wouldnt deal with fake stuff, they deal directly with pow
Various historical issues with Tom Tom:-
Despite having been at one time an authorised outlet for POW prints, and having for sale some extremely nice work....
1) They offered written authentication for some 'grey area' secondary market prints, including backdoor and a Green Weston Super Mare - which caused POW to issue a statement that Tom Tom could not authenticate Banksys work.
2) Much more recently POW issued a 'Product Warning' statement that some forged prints had been turning up on the market, with bogus paperwork (receipts etc) and with print numbers allocated to "retailers that POW supplied" (Namely Tom Tom)
Now - bearing all this in mind - you'd be mad to spend huge amounts of cash on a print based on a Tom Tom receipt alone.
But.........Tom Tom sold loads of perfectly legitimate Banksy prints and originals, so - seeing as POW are now offering to authenticate Banksy prints for a fee, personally - I'd want to see a POW authentication before I'd spend any money.
But, then I'd probably want to see POW authentication if I was purchasing any Banksy work nowadays, no matter where it was purchased from originally.
tom tom wouldnt deal with fake stuff, they deal directly with pow Various historical issues with Tom Tom:- Despite having been at one time an authorised outlet for POW prints, and having for sale some extremely nice work.... 1) They offered written authentication for some 'grey area' secondary market prints, including backdoor and a Green Weston Super Mare - which caused POW to issue a statement that Tom Tom could not authenticate Banksys work. 2) Much more recently POW issued a 'Product Warning' statement that some forged prints had been turning up on the market, with bogus paperwork (receipts etc) and with print numbers allocated to "retailers that POW supplied" (Namely Tom Tom) Now - bearing all this in mind - you'd be mad to spend huge amounts of cash on a print based on a Tom Tom receipt alone. But.........Tom Tom sold loads of perfectly legitimate Banksy prints and originals, so - seeing as POW are now offering to authenticate Banksy prints for a fee, personally - I'd want to see a POW authentication before I'd spend any money. But, then I'd probably want to see POW authentication if I was purchasing any Banksy work nowadays, no matter where it was purchased from originally. |
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mishco
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TomTom Prov, by mishco on Jun 29, 2008 23:26:28 GMT 1, tom tom wouldnt deal with fake stuff, they deal directly with pow
you've got to love the blind naivety these days...
tom tom wouldnt deal with fake stuff, they deal directly with pow you've got to love the blind naivety these days... |
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funyoung
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TomTom Prov, by funyoung on Jun 30, 2008 11:51:43 GMT 1, tom tom wouldnt deal with fake stuff, they deal directly with pow Won't they? Do they?
Considering TomTom is now owned by Art Republic (as I understand it) is this not true?
In other words - it is all a bit confusing and bold statements on both sides seem to muddle the issue to me.
tom tom wouldnt deal with fake stuff, they deal directly with pow Won't they? Do they? Considering TomTom is now owned by Art Republic (as I understand it) is this not true? In other words - it is all a bit confusing and bold statements on both sides seem to muddle the issue to me. |
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TomTom Prov, by funkrye on Jun 30, 2008 12:08:19 GMT 1, Funyoung did you not read danvnuk message. Fact not a bold statement.
Funyoung did you not read danvnuk message. Fact not a bold statement.
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TomTom Prov, by skitch on Jun 30, 2008 12:18:05 GMT 1, If you go and talk to Laurence the owner hel back up my statement (well he would)
but they do have connections with ALL of the main print houses as they get AP's of almost everything. I heard that hes friends with steve too 
God knows why im backing art republic, it is extortion in there (eg u/s rat ยฃ3500) but still its one of the few safe places to get a banksy.
If you go and talk to Laurence the owner hel back up my statement (well he would) but they do have connections with ALL of the main print houses as they get AP's of almost everything. I heard that hes friends with steve too God knows why im backing art republic, it is extortion in there (eg u/s rat ยฃ3500) but still its one of the few safe places to get a banksy. |
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danvnuk
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TomTom Prov, by danvnuk on Jun 30, 2008 12:49:18 GMT 1, Seems to be a bit of confusion here.
Tom Tom as it was closed down. (This was an 'authorised outlet' for POW prints years ago, other 'authorised outlets' being Green Leaf Bookshop etc etc)
Tom Tom re-opened, and is now owned by Art Republic. (This isn't an authorised outlet for POW prints. In so much as there are no longer any 'authorised outlets'.
All prints being sold through POW or LAZ)
The Historical issues with Tom Tom, concern the pre-Art Republic owned Tom Tom.
But, saying this, it's a matter of fact that Fake Prints have appeared on the market with Tom Tom receipts and with numbers allocated to Tom Tom prints when it was an authorised outlet.
Therefore, my advice would be:-
Be very careful buying anything on the secondary market (Ebay mainly) with a Tom Tom receipt - you'd definitely want rock solid provenance - the authentication service POW now supplies for a fee is ideal.
If your buying direct from Art Republic/Tom Tom as it is now - then its a recognised well known gallery, and there is no problem with buying from them.
Seems to be a bit of confusion here.
Tom Tom as it was closed down. (This was an 'authorised outlet' for POW prints years ago, other 'authorised outlets' being Green Leaf Bookshop etc etc)
Tom Tom re-opened, and is now owned by Art Republic. (This isn't an authorised outlet for POW prints. In so much as there are no longer any 'authorised outlets'.
All prints being sold through POW or LAZ)
The Historical issues with Tom Tom, concern the pre-Art Republic owned Tom Tom.
But, saying this, it's a matter of fact that Fake Prints have appeared on the market with Tom Tom receipts and with numbers allocated to Tom Tom prints when it was an authorised outlet.
Therefore, my advice would be:-
Be very careful buying anything on the secondary market (Ebay mainly) with a Tom Tom receipt - you'd definitely want rock solid provenance - the authentication service POW now supplies for a fee is ideal.
If your buying direct from Art Republic/Tom Tom as it is now - then its a recognised well known gallery, and there is no problem with buying from them.
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achtungbono
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TomTom Prov, by achtungbono on Jun 30, 2008 13:12:57 GMT 1, There is a great deal of sense, but still come rubbsh being spken here
TomTom had nothing to do with any fakery o evil doings
what did happen was that they sold stiahgt POW prints for a while - POW will be able confim that a print was offloaded by TT and they will not have the buyers details obviously
TT alos did a few authentifications - usually for Insurance purposes - and issued a typed sheet stating that they consider this to be a Genuine Banksy with a value of blah blah blah - and to all intents & purposes, they are as qualified as anyone short of POW to tell if it was a fake a real un
the politics on this are well documented on this forum and elsewhere
IF somone had a legit early banksy with an original receipt from TT, then its good
the problem comes when say that person then buying a handful of back doors ( exactly the same a the numered issue in material and content ) and then subsequently numbers them up and sells them on with a copy of the TT invoice for their original legit puposes- i..e there may be 4 of your Monkey Queen out there, all with the same number, all with the same Photocopy reciept, but only one with an original TT receipt and thus the real deal
Like any older Banksy purchase, get POW to confirm it .
There is a great deal of sense, but still come rubbsh being spken here
TomTom had nothing to do with any fakery o evil doings
what did happen was that they sold stiahgt POW prints for a while - POW will be able confim that a print was offloaded by TT and they will not have the buyers details obviously
TT alos did a few authentifications - usually for Insurance purposes - and issued a typed sheet stating that they consider this to be a Genuine Banksy with a value of blah blah blah - and to all intents & purposes, they are as qualified as anyone short of POW to tell if it was a fake a real un
the politics on this are well documented on this forum and elsewhere
IF somone had a legit early banksy with an original receipt from TT, then its good
the problem comes when say that person then buying a handful of back doors ( exactly the same a the numered issue in material and content ) and then subsequently numbers them up and sells them on with a copy of the TT invoice for their original legit puposes- i..e there may be 4 of your Monkey Queen out there, all with the same number, all with the same Photocopy reciept, but only one with an original TT receipt and thus the real deal
Like any older Banksy purchase, get POW to confirm it .
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dealersam
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TomTom Prov, by dealersam on Jun 30, 2008 13:23:56 GMT 1, rule of thumb: cast iron prov needed with any artwork.
there have been cases of fake Stop & Search's on the market (especially ebay) & that is post tomtom days. So although tomtom prov has an air of questionablity surrounding it there are others out there to be wary of.
just make sure before you buy.
rule of thumb: cast iron prov needed with any artwork.
there have been cases of fake Stop & Search's on the market (especially ebay) & that is post tomtom days. So although tomtom prov has an air of questionablity surrounding it there are others out there to be wary of.
just make sure before you buy.
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Montubu7
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TomTom Prov, by Montubu7 on Jun 30, 2008 13:26:39 GMT 1, rule of thumb: cast iron prov needed with any artwork. there have been cases of fake Stop & Search's on the market (especially ebay) & that is post tomtom days. So although tomtom prov has an air of questionablity surrounding it there are others out there to be wary of. just make sure before you buy.
Do you have item numbers/links for these fake stop & search prints?
rule of thumb: cast iron prov needed with any artwork. there have been cases of fake Stop & Search's on the market (especially ebay) & that is post tomtom days. So although tomtom prov has an air of questionablity surrounding it there are others out there to be wary of. just make sure before you buy. Do you have item numbers/links for these fake stop & search prints? |
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danvnuk
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TomTom Prov, by danvnuk on Jun 30, 2008 14:45:23 GMT 1, There is a great deal of sense, but still come rubbsh being spken here TomTom had nothing to do with any fakery o evil doings
I'm not sure if this comment is directed at me, but I never accused Tom Tom of any fakery or evil doings.
It's well known in the past they provided 'authentication' for among other things backdoor prints and a green Weston Super Mare - which caused the falling out with POW.
POW did release a statement a while back saying that a number of forged prints had appeared on the market with receipts from an authorised dealer (Tom Tom) - If these 'forged prints' took the form of re-numbered backdoors with photocopied receipts - then, they're still by definition forgeries.
This has nothing to do with Tom Tom themselves, but nevertheless - based on this - I'd advise caution when buying anything on the secondary market where the only provenance is a Tom Tom receipt.
(As others have said - I'd advise caution buying anything on the secondary market to be honest)
I have no axe to grind, the best signed Banksy print I own was purchased from Tom Tom originally.
There is a great deal of sense, but still come rubbsh being spken here TomTom had nothing to do with any fakery o evil doings I'm not sure if this comment is directed at me, but I never accused Tom Tom of any fakery or evil doings. It's well known in the past they provided 'authentication' for among other things backdoor prints and a green Weston Super Mare - which caused the falling out with POW. POW did release a statement a while back saying that a number of forged prints had appeared on the market with receipts from an authorised dealer (Tom Tom) - If these 'forged prints' took the form of re-numbered backdoors with photocopied receipts - then, they're still by definition forgeries. This has nothing to do with Tom Tom themselves, but nevertheless - based on this - I'd advise caution when buying anything on the secondary market where the only provenance is a Tom Tom receipt. (As others have said - I'd advise caution buying anything on the secondary market to be honest) I have no axe to grind, the best signed Banksy print I own was purchased from Tom Tom originally. |
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TomTom Prov, by dealersam on Jun 30, 2008 14:52:46 GMT 1, i was informed by ebay about a stop & search i was bidding on. it was withdrawn immediately. i might still have the email they sent with details...i'll see & if i do i'll pm you.
apart from that it is just warnings from police, publishers etc
i was informed by ebay about a stop & search i was bidding on. it was withdrawn immediately. i might still have the email they sent with details...i'll see & if i do i'll pm you.
apart from that it is just warnings from police, publishers etc
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achtungbono
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TomTom Prov, by achtungbono on Jul 1, 2008 8:45:13 GMT 1, There is a great deal of sense, but still come rubbsh being spken here TomTom had nothing to do with any fakery o evil doings I'm not sure if this comment is directed at me, but I never accused Tom Tom of any fakery or evil doings. It's well known in the past they provided 'authentication' for among other things backdoor prints and a green Weston Super Mare - which caused the falling out with POW. POW did release a statement a while back saying that a number of forged prints had appeared on the market with receipts from an authorised dealer (Tom Tom) - If these 'forged prints' took the form of re-numbered backdoors with photocopied receipts - then, they're still by definition forgeries. This has nothing to do with Tom Tom themselves, but nevertheless - based on this - I'd advise caution when buying anything on the secondary market where the only provenance is a Tom Tom receipt. (As others have said - I'd advise caution buying anything on the secondary market to be honest) I have no axe to grind, the best signed Banksy print I own was purchased from Tom Tom originally.
please, rest assured that Nothing was directed at you personally
The situation with TT was grown and got a life of its own
TT original reciept etc = Good
TT authntication statement = not as good, bt be careful
There is a great deal of sense, but still come rubbsh being spken here TomTom had nothing to do with any fakery o evil doings I'm not sure if this comment is directed at me, but I never accused Tom Tom of any fakery or evil doings. It's well known in the past they provided 'authentication' for among other things backdoor prints and a green Weston Super Mare - which caused the falling out with POW. POW did release a statement a while back saying that a number of forged prints had appeared on the market with receipts from an authorised dealer (Tom Tom) - If these 'forged prints' took the form of re-numbered backdoors with photocopied receipts - then, they're still by definition forgeries. This has nothing to do with Tom Tom themselves, but nevertheless - based on this - I'd advise caution when buying anything on the secondary market where the only provenance is a Tom Tom receipt. (As others have said - I'd advise caution buying anything on the secondary market to be honest) I have no axe to grind, the best signed Banksy print I own was purchased from Tom Tom originally. please, rest assured that Nothing was directed at you personally The situation with TT was grown and got a life of its own TT original reciept etc = Good TT authntication statement = not as good, bt be careful |
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