Eton Groover
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Artists Proof, by Eton Groover on Apr 11, 2008 21:20:52 GMT 1, Why are people prepared to pay more for an artists proof??
Is it not just a dilution of the original print run? so for example a run of 150 with 10 artists proofs surely just means a run of 160.
The AP edition of 10 still means the print is just one of 160 images. Not one of 10.
Why the higher valuation?
Is it the implied artist contribution to accepting the proof?
Sorry if this has been covered before but i was just wondering.
Maybe i should get out more.......Friday night 'n' all that.
Why are people prepared to pay more for an artists proof??
Is it not just a dilution of the original print run? so for example a run of 150 with 10 artists proofs surely just means a run of 160.
The AP edition of 10 still means the print is just one of 160 images. Not one of 10.
Why the higher valuation?
Is it the implied artist contribution to accepting the proof?
Sorry if this has been covered before but i was just wondering.
Maybe i should get out more.......Friday night 'n' all that.
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lee3
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Artists Proof, by lee3 on Apr 11, 2008 21:26:04 GMT 1, >>>Why the higher valuation? <<<
Because AP's are. more often than not, unique prints that differ from the print run. So, you've got your exact same 150 copies that are the print run and you would have 10 different unique prints that make up the AP's.
>>>Why the higher valuation? <<<
Because AP's are. more often than not, unique prints that differ from the print run. So, you've got your exact same 150 copies that are the print run and you would have 10 different unique prints that make up the AP's.
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Artists Proof, by manchestermike on Apr 11, 2008 21:37:00 GMT 1, >>>Why the higher valuation? <<< Because AP's are. more often than not, unique prints that differ from the print run. So, you've got your exact same 150 copies that are the print run and you would have 10 different unique prints that make up the AP's.
This was the case more often than not, and in that case then being worth more is fully justified. Now they're more commonly just more prints... in some artist's cases (cough... D*Face) a lot more prints
>>>Why the higher valuation? <<< Because AP's are. more often than not, unique prints that differ from the print run. So, you've got your exact same 150 copies that are the print run and you would have 10 different unique prints that make up the AP's. This was the case more often than not, and in that case then being worth more is fully justified. Now they're more commonly just more prints... in some artist's cases (cough... D*Face) a lot more prints |
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Ripper1331
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Artists Proof, by Ripper1331 on Apr 11, 2008 21:40:28 GMT 1, AP's are ones pulled from the run by the artist which are to be kept by them or given out. They don't generally differ from the run except that the artist may pick the best ones as the AP's.
They really shouldn't have any higher value and should be no more than 10% of the print run. They are marked differently as per printing guidelines so they are not included in the standard run hence 150 prints and 10 AP's is not the same as a run of 160 prints.
AP's are ones pulled from the run by the artist which are to be kept by them or given out. They don't generally differ from the run except that the artist may pick the best ones as the AP's.
They really shouldn't have any higher value and should be no more than 10% of the print run. They are marked differently as per printing guidelines so they are not included in the standard run hence 150 prints and 10 AP's is not the same as a run of 160 prints.
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Ripper1331
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Artists Proof, by Ripper1331 on Apr 11, 2008 21:41:40 GMT 1, PP's or Printers Proofs are the ones that would differ from the standard run unless the artist added something to AP's after the run to make them different.
PP's or Printers Proofs are the ones that would differ from the standard run unless the artist added something to AP's after the run to make them different.
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Eton Groover
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Artists Proof, by Eton Groover on Apr 11, 2008 21:44:25 GMT 1, Why should they differ from the print run?
A proof is presumably for the artist to say whether they are happy with the print.
If they are happy with the proof then it should be identical to the eventual print run and if they are not happy with it then it should be less desirable to the eventual print run as it was not what the artist intended.
I dunno though.... i'm not an expert
Why should they differ from the print run?
A proof is presumably for the artist to say whether they are happy with the print.
If they are happy with the proof then it should be identical to the eventual print run and if they are not happy with it then it should be less desirable to the eventual print run as it was not what the artist intended.
I dunno though.... i'm not an expert
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Eton Groover
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Artists Proof, by Eton Groover on Apr 11, 2008 21:46:20 GMT 1, Sorry did not see your post ripper.
Sorry did not see your post ripper.
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bonesy
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Artists Proof, by bonesy on Apr 11, 2008 22:11:13 GMT 1, No difference and some people will say they are worth exactly the same (which is stupid). Folks will argue they arent worth more but in reality folks will pay more for APs and worth (value) is waht folks are willing to pay.
No difference and some people will say they are worth exactly the same (which is stupid). Folks will argue they arent worth more but in reality folks will pay more for APs and worth (value) is waht folks are willing to pay.
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Heavyconsumer
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Artists Proof, by Heavyconsumer on Apr 12, 2008 10:53:24 GMT 1, i thought that sometimes eg..Blurry Mary, PPs or APs are also used to make final decisions on colourways and other artistic input. In that instanmce they may well be unique and hence more valuable.
i thought that sometimes eg..Blurry Mary, PPs or APs are also used to make final decisions on colourways and other artistic input. In that instanmce they may well be unique and hence more valuable.
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Artists Proof, by mcster on Apr 12, 2008 11:12:17 GMT 1, i thought that sometimes eg..Blurry Mary, PPs or APs are also used to make final decisions on colourways and other artistic input. In that instanmce they may well be unique and hence more valuable.
That's what I always thought; I'd be prepared to pay more for an AP if there was a difference with the normail run, but f it's exactly the same print with the letters 'AP' added then it's not worth paying extra for IMO. Having said that, I'm not one of the people that gets excited by the number either, it's the image that I am buying.
i thought that sometimes eg..Blurry Mary, PPs or APs are also used to make final decisions on colourways and other artistic input. In that instanmce they may well be unique and hence more valuable. That's what I always thought; I'd be prepared to pay more for an AP if there was a difference with the normail run, but f it's exactly the same print with the letters 'AP' added then it's not worth paying extra for IMO. Having said that, I'm not one of the people that gets excited by the number either, it's the image that I am buying. |
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Artists Proof, by crazyarsemother on Apr 12, 2008 11:34:26 GMT 1, I think traditionally an artist's proof is a print that has a variation in colour or design that has been rejected as the final print.
A printer's proof is a copy outside the print run that is specifically for the printer's own collection.
I think traditionally an artist's proof is a print that has a variation in colour or design that has been rejected as the final print.
A printer's proof is a copy outside the print run that is specifically for the printer's own collection.
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Artists Proof, by graeme501 on Apr 12, 2008 11:36:23 GMT 1, i have a blek le rat begger AP which i did pay a bit more money for than the normal run, but it says E.P not AP, becuase he's french, so thought it was a bit of a novelty
i have a blek le rat begger AP which i did pay a bit more money for than the normal run, but it says E.P not AP, becuase he's french, so thought it was a bit of a novelty
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Artists Proof, by ollys on Apr 12, 2008 14:33:54 GMT 1, At one point artists proofs where generally different that the rest of the print run.
These days artists will pull the edition 'say 100 prints' and then say 10 more to keep for themselves, friends and so on. These aps are generally numbered but shouldn't really hold more value. Some collectors will collect the aps rather than numbers. One again if you have a few people after an ap the price will go up.
In some cases though aps will be experimental pieces, especially from those artists who hand embellish prints, as in Hush, Faile and Miss Buggs, these i suppose could be worth considerably more than the original print run, depending on how far the aps are embellished.
At one point artists proofs where generally different that the rest of the print run.
These days artists will pull the edition 'say 100 prints' and then say 10 more to keep for themselves, friends and so on. These aps are generally numbered but shouldn't really hold more value. Some collectors will collect the aps rather than numbers. One again if you have a few people after an ap the price will go up.
In some cases though aps will be experimental pieces, especially from those artists who hand embellish prints, as in Hush, Faile and Miss Buggs, these i suppose could be worth considerably more than the original print run, depending on how far the aps are embellished.
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Artists Proof, by uac on Apr 12, 2008 15:16:01 GMT 1, An interesting post about aps was on here last month, well worth a read, sorry couldn't find it.
An interesting post about aps was on here last month, well worth a read, sorry couldn't find it.
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lee3
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Artists Proof, by lee3 on Apr 12, 2008 16:03:45 GMT 1, It's obvious that there are about 100 different definitions of what an AP is depending on who you ask. I can say with almost 100% confidence that I have NEVER seen an AP sell at auction at a price equal to or less than the edition itself. Rather, if they hammer, they command a premium. I'm sure there are exceptions but I can't think of any off the top of my head though I admittedly don't follow print auctions as closely. Each artist may have a different definition of what a trial proof, artist proof, or printer's proof is for their body of work.
It's obvious that there are about 100 different definitions of what an AP is depending on who you ask. I can say with almost 100% confidence that I have NEVER seen an AP sell at auction at a price equal to or less than the edition itself. Rather, if they hammer, they command a premium. I'm sure there are exceptions but I can't think of any off the top of my head though I admittedly don't follow print auctions as closely. Each artist may have a different definition of what a trial proof, artist proof, or printer's proof is for their body of work.
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Artists Proof, by Deleted on Apr 12, 2008 16:57:24 GMT 1, all i know is that i hate it when the artist puts out large AP edition. Mark Ryden did this for one of his prints recently where he released 50 and had a AP of 50 for his friends...so, it's really an edition of 100
all i know is that i hate it when the artist puts out large AP edition. Mark Ryden did this for one of his prints recently where he released 50 and had a AP of 50 for his friends...so, it's really an edition of 100
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Artists Proof, by bonesy on Apr 12, 2008 21:13:11 GMT 1, all i know is that i hate it when the artist puts out large AP edition. Mark Ryden did this for one of his prints recently where he released 50 and had a AP of 50 for his friends...so, it's really an edition of 100
What print was that? The Creatrix was an edition of 200 Artist Edition (sold by the artist) and 200 Museum Edition (sold mostly by galleries). Mark has always been very good with listing every print of the edition on his Certificates of Authenticty. Im very surprised to hear he would produce as many Artist Proof's as the edition size.
I will say that Mark's originals are very hard to get if you are not a celebrity or friend. I flew out to the Tree Show opening and had been on the buy list since it was available, like a year out. I was in touch with the gallery and they knew I was flying 3000 miles to attend the opening, but I still was unable to get on the Friday night preview list. I was allowed in early Saturday and it was an amazing show but everything was already sold, as I thought it would be. No movie credits = no Ryden originals. Sorry for the rant.
all i know is that i hate it when the artist puts out large AP edition. Mark Ryden did this for one of his prints recently where he released 50 and had a AP of 50 for his friends...so, it's really an edition of 100 What print was that? The Creatrix was an edition of 200 Artist Edition (sold by the artist) and 200 Museum Edition (sold mostly by galleries). Mark has always been very good with listing every print of the edition on his Certificates of Authenticty. Im very surprised to hear he would produce as many Artist Proof's as the edition size. I will say that Mark's originals are very hard to get if you are not a celebrity or friend. I flew out to the Tree Show opening and had been on the buy list since it was available, like a year out. I was in touch with the gallery and they knew I was flying 3000 miles to attend the opening, but I still was unable to get on the Friday night preview list. I was allowed in early Saturday and it was an amazing show but everything was already sold, as I thought it would be. No movie credits = no Ryden originals. Sorry for the rant. |
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