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Selling stuff at cost, by saltandiron on Feb 27, 2008 12:55:47 GMT 1, This guy is giving his ยฃ125 million+ collection of art to the nation for the price he paid for it - about ยฃ28 million.
arts.guardian.co.uk/art/news/story/0,,2260249,00.html
(cut and paste the link to make it work)
Includes some Koons, Gilbert and George, Hirst etc.
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An act of artistic philanthropy on a par with Britain's greatest - including bequests by Samuel Courtauld and Henry Tate - was unveiled today in a move that will see 725 works of post-war and contemporary art donated to the nation.
The London dealer Anthony d'Offay is giving over almost his entire collection - now conservatively valued at ยฃ125m - for the price he paid originally. The collection contains some of the finest works by the most important artists of the last 50 years, including Joseph Beuys, Gilbert and George, Jeff Koons and Damien Hirst. It will be called Artist Rooms and it will be jointly owned and managed for the nation by the National Galleries of Scotland and Tate.
The scale of the donation is remarkable: enough art to easily fill a floor and a half of London's Tate Modern. Artist Rooms will take the form of 50 rooms of contemporary art by 25 artists, with the intention that they will be seen across the UK and not just in London and Edinburgh. The first partners will include galleries as far apart as Inverness, Bexhill and Cardiff.
D'Offay is offering the art at the original price paid rather than its current value. That amounts to almost ยฃ28m with ยฃ10m each being paid by the British government and the Scottish government. The remaining ยฃ8m will come from the Art Fund (ยฃ1m) and National Heritage Memorial Fund (ยฃ7m).
"He is making a loss," said the Tate's director Nicholas Serota. "A gift of this magnitude will completely transform the opportunity to experience contemporary art in the UK."
D'Offay told the Guardian the idea of Artist Rooms had been seven years in the planning. "It's really to do with education for young people. Outside London and Edinburgh it is very difficult to see great contemporary art. I was born in Sheffield and brought up in Leicester and I was very conscious that what I could see in museums was 18th century portraits, Egyptian mummies and stuffed animals.
"Art is important because it stimulates young people's creativity. If you see great art it makes you ask questions and if you ask questions it makes you seek answers. It's always been in my mind that this is something I wanted to do."
Much of the art will plug significant gaps in Britain's national collections. Three rooms will comprise 69 black-and-white photographs by the pioneering Diane Arbus who, despite her reputation as one of the greatest American photographers, is not represented at either Tate or the National Galleries of Scotland.
It is a similar story for other artists. Tate holds just one work by Jeff Koons and the NGS none. Now D'Offay is giving over 17 Koons works including Winter Bears, 1988.
This guy is giving his ยฃ125 million+ collection of art to the nation for the price he paid for it - about ยฃ28 million. arts.guardian.co.uk/art/news/story/0,,2260249,00.html (cut and paste the link to make it work) Includes some Koons, Gilbert and George, Hirst etc. Text here: An act of artistic philanthropy on a par with Britain's greatest - including bequests by Samuel Courtauld and Henry Tate - was unveiled today in a move that will see 725 works of post-war and contemporary art donated to the nation. The London dealer Anthony d'Offay is giving over almost his entire collection - now conservatively valued at ยฃ125m - for the price he paid originally. The collection contains some of the finest works by the most important artists of the last 50 years, including Joseph Beuys, Gilbert and George, Jeff Koons and Damien Hirst. It will be called Artist Rooms and it will be jointly owned and managed for the nation by the National Galleries of Scotland and Tate. The scale of the donation is remarkable: enough art to easily fill a floor and a half of London's Tate Modern. Artist Rooms will take the form of 50 rooms of contemporary art by 25 artists, with the intention that they will be seen across the UK and not just in London and Edinburgh. The first partners will include galleries as far apart as Inverness, Bexhill and Cardiff. D'Offay is offering the art at the original price paid rather than its current value. That amounts to almost ยฃ28m with ยฃ10m each being paid by the British government and the Scottish government. The remaining ยฃ8m will come from the Art Fund (ยฃ1m) and National Heritage Memorial Fund (ยฃ7m). "He is making a loss," said the Tate's director Nicholas Serota. "A gift of this magnitude will completely transform the opportunity to experience contemporary art in the UK." D'Offay told the Guardian the idea of Artist Rooms had been seven years in the planning. "It's really to do with education for young people. Outside London and Edinburgh it is very difficult to see great contemporary art. I was born in Sheffield and brought up in Leicester and I was very conscious that what I could see in museums was 18th century portraits, Egyptian mummies and stuffed animals. "Art is important because it stimulates young people's creativity. If you see great art it makes you ask questions and if you ask questions it makes you seek answers. It's always been in my mind that this is something I wanted to do." Much of the art will plug significant gaps in Britain's national collections. Three rooms will comprise 69 black-and-white photographs by the pioneering Diane Arbus who, despite her reputation as one of the greatest American photographers, is not represented at either Tate or the National Galleries of Scotland. It is a similar story for other artists. Tate holds just one work by Jeff Koons and the NGS none. Now D'Offay is giving over 17 Koons works including Winter Bears, 1988. |
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Selling stuff at cost, by BONGO on Feb 27, 2008 14:14:45 GMT 1, TAX EFFICIENT
TAX EFFICIENT
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Selling stuff at cost, by funyoung on Feb 27, 2008 16:12:33 GMT 1, "He is making a loss," said the Tate's director Nicholas Serota.He's not making a loss, he's getting his investment back, with no additional return. And good on him, money isn't the be-all and end-all most people think it is. Thanks for posting that btw 
depends whether you take into account the storage, movement etc.
i try not to look too closely at peoples generous acts as cynicism might result in bitterness.
I'm not sure tax efficient is the correct term when something is sold for less than market value ... in fact, unless i'm wrong, it is about as tax efficient as someone selling me their barcode at cost.
"He is making a loss," said the Tate's director Nicholas Serota.He's not making a loss, he's getting his investment back, with no additional return. And good on him, money isn't the be-all and end-all most people think it is. Thanks for posting that btw depends whether you take into account the storage, movement etc. i try not to look too closely at peoples generous acts as cynicism might result in bitterness. I'm not sure tax efficient is the correct term when something is sold for less than market value ... in fact, unless i'm wrong, it is about as tax efficient as someone selling me their barcode at cost. |
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Selling stuff at cost, by Heavyconsumer on Feb 27, 2008 17:33:25 GMT 1, "He is making a loss," said the Tate's director Nicholas Serota.He's not making a loss, he's getting his investment back, with no additional return. And good on him, money isn't the be-all and end-all most people think it is. Thanks for posting that btw depends whether you take into account the storage, movement etc. i try not to look too closely at peoples generous acts as cynicism might result in bitterness. I'm not sure tax efficient is the correct term when something is sold for less than market value ... in fact, unless i'm wrong, it is about as tax efficient as someone selling me their barcode at cost.
EXACTLY! Inflation alone means he's taking a massive loss. What is ยฃ28m 10 or 20 years ago worth today? That's without taking into account the very real profits he's foregoing. Unquestionably a huge loss imo.
"He is making a loss," said the Tate's director Nicholas Serota.He's not making a loss, he's getting his investment back, with no additional return. And good on him, money isn't the be-all and end-all most people think it is. Thanks for posting that btw depends whether you take into account the storage, movement etc. i try not to look too closely at peoples generous acts as cynicism might result in bitterness. I'm not sure tax efficient is the correct term when something is sold for less than market value ... in fact, unless i'm wrong, it is about as tax efficient as someone selling me their barcode at cost. EXACTLY! Inflation alone means he's taking a massive loss. What is ยฃ28m 10 or 20 years ago worth today? That's without taking into account the very real profits he's foregoing. Unquestionably a huge loss imo. |
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Selling stuff at cost, by BONGO on Feb 27, 2008 17:42:51 GMT 1, BONGO SUGGEST YOU LOOK INTO THE TAX SIDE FURTHER
IT IS NOT AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS IT MAY SEEM.
BONGO SUGGEST YOU LOOK INTO THE TAX SIDE FURTHER
IT IS NOT AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS IT MAY SEEM.
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Selling stuff at cost, by loucastel on Feb 27, 2008 18:23:50 GMT 1, Even if he sold them at the market rate and paid tax on it he would still come out of it with about ยฃ87 million, so the guy is a star, taking a big hit.
Even if he sold them at the market rate and paid tax on it he would still come out of it with about ยฃ87 million, so the guy is a star, taking a big hit.
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Selling stuff at cost, by yapsey on Feb 27, 2008 18:25:02 GMT 1,
i'd say he's got a bloody good tax advisor....
i'd say he's got a bloody good tax advisor....
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Selling stuff at cost, by funyoung on Feb 27, 2008 18:28:02 GMT 1, i'd say he's got a bloody good tax advisor....
BONGO SUGGEST YOU LOOK INTO THE TAX SIDE FURTHER IT IS NOT AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS IT MAY SEEM.
anyone care to elucidate as to how selling something can be good for your tax?
if that's the case then people with shops are on to a winner.
Bongo - i have looked into it as much as my little brain can understand - any chance you can explain what you are getting at? assuming you're not just cynical as to his good intentions.
i'd say he's got a bloody good tax advisor.... BONGO SUGGEST YOU LOOK INTO THE TAX SIDE FURTHER IT IS NOT AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS IT MAY SEEM. anyone care to elucidate as to how selling something can be good for your tax? if that's the case then people with shops are on to a winner. Bongo - i have looked into it as much as my little brain can understand - any chance you can explain what you are getting at? assuming you're not just cynical as to his good intentions. |
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saltandiron
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Selling stuff at cost, by saltandiron on Feb 27, 2008 19:25:36 GMT 1, i'd say he's got a bloody good tax advisor.... BONGO SUGGEST YOU LOOK INTO THE TAX SIDE FURTHER IT IS NOT AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS IT MAY SEEM. anyone care to elucidate as to how selling something can be good for your tax? if that's the case then people with shops are on to a winner. Bongo - i have looked into it as much as my little brain can understand - any chance you can explain what you are getting at? assuming you're not just cynical as to his good intentions.
maybe it was taken in return for a bigger tax write off? No real idea though, but if anyone does know the background would love to hear it.
i'd say he's got a bloody good tax advisor.... BONGO SUGGEST YOU LOOK INTO THE TAX SIDE FURTHER IT IS NOT AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS IT MAY SEEM. anyone care to elucidate as to how selling something can be good for your tax? if that's the case then people with shops are on to a winner. Bongo - i have looked into it as much as my little brain can understand - any chance you can explain what you are getting at? assuming you're not just cynical as to his good intentions. maybe it was taken in return for a bigger tax write off? No real idea though, but if anyone does know the background would love to hear it. |
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Selling stuff at cost, by BONGO on Feb 27, 2008 19:45:30 GMT 1, BONGO NOT TAX EXPERT, BUT BONGO UNDERSTANDS THAT HE WOULD BE LIABLE FOR CGT ON PROFIT IF SOLD, WHICH WILL BE BASE OF 40%, BUT TAPERING AND MAINT. COSTS FOR STOCK CAN REDUCE THE AMOUNT
BONGO UNDERSTANDS THAT NOMINAL ยฃ15 MILLION TAX BILL HAS BEEN PAID BY CULTURE MINISTRY AS PRECONDITION OF SALE AT NET COST ยฃ28M, THAT WILL ITSELF BE PAID FOR BY GALLERIES.
TAXATION REGARDING ARTWORK IS COMPLEX BUT IN ORDER FOR ART TO BE TAX FREE - HELD IN TRUST FOR EXAMPLE - ARTWORK HAS TO BE MADE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC VIEWING FOR NO CHARGE. ITS IS LIKELY THAT THIS ARTWORK WAS NEVER MADE AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING, SO FELL OUTSIDE THIS LEGISLATION
BONGO HAS BEEN WATCHING THIS FOR SOME TIME - THIS IS A FAIRLY COMPLEX GIFT/SALE ARANGEMENT THAT THE POTENTIAL RECIPIENTS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FINE DETAILS FOR SOME TIME, MAYBE 2 OR THREE YEARS.THIS WAS NOT AN OFF THE CUFF GUESTURE THAT TOOK THE ART WORLD BY STORM
BONGO DOES NOT DOUBT THE GENEROSITY OF DONOR, BUT IT IS ALWAYS GOOD TO THINK ABOUT BIGGER PICTURE
BONGO NOT TAX EXPERT, BUT BONGO UNDERSTANDS THAT HE WOULD BE LIABLE FOR CGT ON PROFIT IF SOLD, WHICH WILL BE BASE OF 40%, BUT TAPERING AND MAINT. COSTS FOR STOCK CAN REDUCE THE AMOUNT
BONGO UNDERSTANDS THAT NOMINAL ยฃ15 MILLION TAX BILL HAS BEEN PAID BY CULTURE MINISTRY AS PRECONDITION OF SALE AT NET COST ยฃ28M, THAT WILL ITSELF BE PAID FOR BY GALLERIES.
TAXATION REGARDING ARTWORK IS COMPLEX BUT IN ORDER FOR ART TO BE TAX FREE - HELD IN TRUST FOR EXAMPLE - ARTWORK HAS TO BE MADE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC VIEWING FOR NO CHARGE. ITS IS LIKELY THAT THIS ARTWORK WAS NEVER MADE AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING, SO FELL OUTSIDE THIS LEGISLATION
BONGO HAS BEEN WATCHING THIS FOR SOME TIME - THIS IS A FAIRLY COMPLEX GIFT/SALE ARANGEMENT THAT THE POTENTIAL RECIPIENTS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FINE DETAILS FOR SOME TIME, MAYBE 2 OR THREE YEARS.THIS WAS NOT AN OFF THE CUFF GUESTURE THAT TOOK THE ART WORLD BY STORM
BONGO DOES NOT DOUBT THE GENEROSITY OF DONOR, BUT IT IS ALWAYS GOOD TO THINK ABOUT BIGGER PICTURE
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Selling stuff at cost, by BONGO on Feb 27, 2008 20:14:45 GMT 1, BONGO ADD, ITS IS CRUCIAL TO THE ARGUMENT HOW THE ART WAS CLASSED FOR TAX PURPOSES IN PREVIOUS TAX YEARS AND HOLDERS OTHER LIABILTIES
BONGO CONFIDENT THAT COLELCTOR COULD HAVE POSSIBLY SOLD TO OLIGARCH FOPR LARGE SUM AND MAY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MINIMISE LIABILITY , BUT THIS IS A GOOD COMPROMISE FOR UK
BONGO ADD, ITS IS CRUCIAL TO THE ARGUMENT HOW THE ART WAS CLASSED FOR TAX PURPOSES IN PREVIOUS TAX YEARS AND HOLDERS OTHER LIABILTIES
BONGO CONFIDENT THAT COLELCTOR COULD HAVE POSSIBLY SOLD TO OLIGARCH FOPR LARGE SUM AND MAY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MINIMISE LIABILITY , BUT THIS IS A GOOD COMPROMISE FOR UK
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Selling stuff at cost, by saltandiron on Feb 27, 2008 20:26:54 GMT 1, BONGO UNDERSTANDS THAT NOMINAL ยฃ15 MILLION TAX BILL HAS BEEN PAID BY CULTURE MINISTRY AS PRECONDITION OF SALE AT NET COST ยฃ28M, THAT WILL ITSELF BE PAID FOR BY GALLERIES. TAXATION REGARDING ARTWORK IS COMPLEX BUT IN ORDER FOR ART TO BE TAX FREE - HELD IN TRUST FOR EXAMPLE - ARTWORK HAS TO BE MADE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC VIEWING FOR NO CHARGE. ITS IS LIKELY THAT THIS ARTWORK WAS NEVER MADE AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING, SO FELL OUTSIDE THIS LEGISLATION
Some of it has been available, the picture on the guardian website was of a Beuys installation (the 'dog sleds' coming out of the back of a VW camper van) that as a part of the Tate modern exhibition a while back. It didn't say explicity that this piece was part of the deal but it did imply it. That said, obviously that was an exhibition that you had to pay to get into, making this point irrelevant (only realsied that as I was typing it). Anyway, it's all quite interesting.
One article quoted D'Offay as saying that it had been in the works for 6-7 years so your point Bongo that it wasn't a spur of the moment decision is definitely a valid one.
edited to add: It's also worth noting that the tate's acquisitons budget is only a few million (and other museums have limited budgets too) so this really does represent a great deal for public art in the UK (but at what cost if the tax had gone to fund hospitals, schools?)
BONGO UNDERSTANDS THAT NOMINAL ยฃ15 MILLION TAX BILL HAS BEEN PAID BY CULTURE MINISTRY AS PRECONDITION OF SALE AT NET COST ยฃ28M, THAT WILL ITSELF BE PAID FOR BY GALLERIES. TAXATION REGARDING ARTWORK IS COMPLEX BUT IN ORDER FOR ART TO BE TAX FREE - HELD IN TRUST FOR EXAMPLE - ARTWORK HAS TO BE MADE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC VIEWING FOR NO CHARGE. ITS IS LIKELY THAT THIS ARTWORK WAS NEVER MADE AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING, SO FELL OUTSIDE THIS LEGISLATION Some of it has been available, the picture on the guardian website was of a Beuys installation (the 'dog sleds' coming out of the back of a VW camper van) that as a part of the Tate modern exhibition a while back. It didn't say explicity that this piece was part of the deal but it did imply it. That said, obviously that was an exhibition that you had to pay to get into, making this point irrelevant (only realsied that as I was typing it). Anyway, it's all quite interesting. One article quoted D'Offay as saying that it had been in the works for 6-7 years so your point Bongo that it wasn't a spur of the moment decision is definitely a valid one. edited to add: It's also worth noting that the tate's acquisitons budget is only a few million (and other museums have limited budgets too) so this really does represent a great deal for public art in the UK (but at what cost if the tax had gone to fund hospitals, schools?) |
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Selling stuff at cost, by guest2 on Feb 27, 2008 20:28:41 GMT 1, BONGO ADD, ITS IS CRUCIAL TO THE ARGUMENT HOW THE ART WAS CLASSED FOR TAX PURPOSES IN PREVIOUS TAX YEARS AND HOLDERS OTHER LIABILTIES BONGO CONFIDENT THAT COLELCTOR COULD HAVE POSSIBLY SOLD TO OLIGARCH FOPR LARGE SUM AND MAY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MINIMISE LIABILITY , BUT THIS IS A GOOD COMPROMISE FOR UK
You fuckin' clever for a monkey dude.
BONGO ADD, ITS IS CRUCIAL TO THE ARGUMENT HOW THE ART WAS CLASSED FOR TAX PURPOSES IN PREVIOUS TAX YEARS AND HOLDERS OTHER LIABILTIES BONGO CONFIDENT THAT COLELCTOR COULD HAVE POSSIBLY SOLD TO OLIGARCH FOPR LARGE SUM AND MAY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MINIMISE LIABILITY , BUT THIS IS A GOOD COMPROMISE FOR UK You fuckin' clever for a monkey dude. |
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Selling stuff at cost, by paulypaul on Feb 27, 2008 20:30:25 GMT 1, TAXATION REGARDING ARTWORK IS COMPLEX BUT IN ORDER FOR ART TO BE TAX FREE - HELD IN TRUST FOR EXAMPLE - ARTWORK HAS TO BE MADE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC VIEWING FOR NO CHARGE. ITS IS LIKELY THAT THIS ARTWORK WAS NEVER MADE AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING, SO FELL OUTSIDE THIS LEGISLATION
Mark Thomas did a programme about this scheme. T'was very intersting...
" Another stunt highlighted how difficult it is to view art which, in return for tax exemptions, some stately home owners are meant to display publicly.
He tried to take groups of people to stately homes to see the works of art.
The artworks included a Gainsborough owned by Sir Evelyn de Rothschild, who later took that and 300 other works off the list and paid the tax. "
TAXATION REGARDING ARTWORK IS COMPLEX BUT IN ORDER FOR ART TO BE TAX FREE - HELD IN TRUST FOR EXAMPLE - ARTWORK HAS TO BE MADE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC VIEWING FOR NO CHARGE. ITS IS LIKELY THAT THIS ARTWORK WAS NEVER MADE AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING, SO FELL OUTSIDE THIS LEGISLATION Mark Thomas did a programme about this scheme. T'was very intersting... " Another stunt highlighted how difficult it is to view art which, in return for tax exemptions, some stately home owners are meant to display publicly. He tried to take groups of people to stately homes to see the works of art. The artworks included a Gainsborough owned by Sir Evelyn de Rothschild, who later took that and 300 other works off the list and paid the tax. " |
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Selling stuff at cost, by BONGO on Feb 27, 2008 20:32:01 GMT 1, BONGO PROVIDE TOO MUCH INFORMATION
APOLOGY
BONGO PROVIDE TOO MUCH INFORMATION
APOLOGY
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Selling stuff at cost, by dave313perry on Feb 27, 2008 20:35:32 GMT 1, Id be interested to know the legal obligations of owning an original to producing prints of that original???
if you own the original, what powers does the artist have to make a copy and print 1000 copies and sign them??
or the owner of the original creating copies?
anyone know the ins and outs
Id be interested to know the legal obligations of owning an original to producing prints of that original???
if you own the original, what powers does the artist have to make a copy and print 1000 copies and sign them??
or the owner of the original creating copies?
anyone know the ins and outs
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Selling stuff at cost, by paulypaul on Feb 27, 2008 20:37:49 GMT 1, BONGO KNOWS THAT NO ONE WILL BELEIVE HIM, BUT BONGO HAS MORE THAN A NODDING AQUAINTANCE WITH SEdR AND HIS COLLECTION
I truly fuckin' love you...
BONGO KNOWS THAT NO ONE WILL BELEIVE HIM, BUT BONGO HAS MORE THAN A NODDING AQUAINTANCE WITH SEdR AND HIS COLLECTION I truly fuck in' love you... |
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Selling stuff at cost, by BONGO on Feb 27, 2008 20:38:23 GMT 1, Id be interested to know the legal obligations of owning an original to producing prints of that original??? if you own the original, what powers does the artist have to make a copy and print 1000 copies and sign them?? or the owner of the original creating copies? anyone know the ins and outs
BONGO UNDERSTAND THAT AN EU DIRECTIVE REGARDING ARTIST RENUMERATION FROM FUTURE SALES TO SET POINT IN THE FUTURE NOW APPLIES
Id be interested to know the legal obligations of owning an original to producing prints of that original??? if you own the original, what powers does the artist have to make a copy and print 1000 copies and sign them?? or the owner of the original creating copies? anyone know the ins and outs BONGO UNDERSTAND THAT AN EU DIRECTIVE REGARDING ARTIST RENUMERATION FROM FUTURE SALES TO SET POINT IN THE FUTURE NOW APPLIES |
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Selling stuff at cost, by mammal2 on Feb 27, 2008 20:40:09 GMT 1, BONGO CAN USE GOOGLE!
BONGO CAN USE GOOGLE!
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Selling stuff at cost, by chrisps303 on Feb 27, 2008 20:41:05 GMT 1, You should be called oracle not BONGO.
Is there anything you dont know about?
You should be called oracle not BONGO.
Is there anything you dont know about?
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Selling stuff at cost, by BONGO on Feb 27, 2008 20:41:32 GMT 1,
BONGO CAN INDEED, BUT BONGO USED RECALL IN THIS INSTANCE
BONGO ADD THAT HE IS NOT SURE WHETHER PRINTS ARE INCLUDED IN ARTIST COPYRIGHT RULES
BONGO CAN INDEED, BUT BONGO USED RECALL IN THIS INSTANCE BONGO ADD THAT HE IS NOT SURE WHETHER PRINTS ARE INCLUDED IN ARTIST COPYRIGHT RULES |
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Selling stuff at cost, by BONGO on Feb 27, 2008 20:41:58 GMT 1, You should be called oracle not BONGO. Is there anything you dont know about?
LADIES
You should be called oracle not BONGO. Is there anything you dont know about? LADIES |
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Selling stuff at cost, by chrisps303 on Feb 27, 2008 20:42:51 GMT 1, You should be called oracle not BONGO. Is there anything you dont know about? LADIES
;D 
You should be called oracle not BONGO. Is there anything you dont know about? LADIES ;D |
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Selling stuff at cost, by saltandiron on Feb 27, 2008 20:43:18 GMT 1, BONGO PROVIDE TOO MUCH INFORMATION APOLOGY
you might want to ask paulypaul if he wouldn't mind editing the post in which he quotes you then.
BONGO PROVIDE TOO MUCH INFORMATION APOLOGY you might want to ask paulypaul if he wouldn't mind editing the post in which he quotes you then. |
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Selling stuff at cost, by mammal2 on Feb 27, 2008 20:47:23 GMT 1, MAMMAL KNOW LADIES - THOUGH MAMMAL KNOW BOARD MORE! SAD LIFE MAMMAL LEADS! MAMMAL HAPPY WHEN AWAY FROM BOARD AND HAVING LIFE! MAMMAL ADDICTED! MAMMAL NEED CRACK HABIT OR OTHER VICE. INTERNET IS FOR NERDS! I AM A NERD! MAMMAL KNOWS NAME OF DARTH VADERS STAR DESTROYER! MAMMAL CANNOT BELIEVE HE EVER GETS LAID!
MAMMAL KNOW LADIES - THOUGH MAMMAL KNOW BOARD MORE! SAD LIFE MAMMAL LEADS! MAMMAL HAPPY WHEN AWAY FROM BOARD AND HAVING LIFE! MAMMAL ADDICTED! MAMMAL NEED CRACK HABIT OR OTHER VICE. INTERNET IS FOR NERDS! I AM A NERD! MAMMAL KNOWS NAME OF DARTH VADERS STAR DESTROYER! MAMMAL CANNOT BELIEVE HE EVER GETS LAID!
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Selling stuff at cost, by Curley on Feb 27, 2008 20:51:24 GMT 1, MAMMAL KNOW LADIES - THOUGH MAMMAL KNOW BOARD MORE! SAD LIFE MAMMAL LEADS! MAMMAL HAPPY WHEN AWAY FROM BOARD AND HAVING LIFE! MAMMAL ADDICTED! MAMMAL NEED CRACK HABIT OR OTHER VICE. INTERNET IS FOR NERDS! I AM A NERD! MAMMAL KNOWS NAME OF DARTH VADERS STAR DESTROYER! MAMMAL CANNOT BELIEVE HE EVER GETS LAID!
oi oi i cant believe it either ;D ;D ;D
you line em up and ill knock em in the back of the net 
MAMMAL KNOW LADIES - THOUGH MAMMAL KNOW BOARD MORE! SAD LIFE MAMMAL LEADS! MAMMAL HAPPY WHEN AWAY FROM BOARD AND HAVING LIFE! MAMMAL ADDICTED! MAMMAL NEED CRACK HABIT OR OTHER VICE. INTERNET IS FOR NERDS! I AM A NERD! MAMMAL KNOWS NAME OF DARTH VADERS STAR DESTROYER! MAMMAL CANNOT BELIEVE HE EVER GETS LAID! oi oi i cant believe it either ;D ;D ;D you line em up and ill knock em in the back of the net |
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Selling stuff at cost, by mammal2 on Feb 27, 2008 20:54:35 GMT 1, Have decided go to to show! See you tomorrow! The free bar is always a plus! Looking forward to seeing what Chris has produced! oi oi!
Have decided go to to show! See you tomorrow! The free bar is always a plus! Looking forward to seeing what Chris has produced! oi oi!
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Selling stuff at cost, by mammal2 on Feb 27, 2008 20:54:55 GMT 1, Dragon Bar???
Dragon Bar???
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Selling stuff at cost, by Curley on Feb 27, 2008 20:56:47 GMT 1,
of course.
and now back to the man who has sold his collection to the tate...........Good work fella.
of course. and now back to the man who has sold his collection to the tate...........Good work fella. |
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Selling stuff at cost, by mammal2 on Feb 27, 2008 20:58:04 GMT 1, Time! Im going to head after work. Mash up!
Time! Im going to head after work. Mash up!
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