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Fans V Investors, by numusic on Dec 1, 2007 22:11:04 GMT 1, Let's face facts hey.. without Laz, almost f**king nobody on here would would have anything more than a passing interest in art, let alone an active investment and interest in it (and I don't mean money). Yes, Laz has broken a few sensible market rules..f**king great !!! f**k the auctions and the galleries and the people who have controlled access to and dictated to us for centuries what art is and can be.. . If Laz prices you out of the market.. that's because your not the target buyers..he's challenging a centuries old system, and doing it A1... he's done the 50 quid street art print thing, long before this board or any other existed.. in fact it pretty much exists because he had the f**king sense to risk what he did... he's a street art fan.. he works for the artists and the artform. Not a bunch of moaning stamp collecting "ooo, I like street art too" consumers. Heads up, 80% of people between the age of 13 and 40 "like" street art. Cos we people buy and trade the odd print, means f**k all in the big scheme of things. Yes we supported the start of this and yes we supported the Laz/Banksy/POW/PYMC model of promoting this work to the artworld and the masses.. it ain't over yet... the long haul...let's see where it goes without attacking those that created the market for it. f**k it, you can't play, you can't play... watching is fun too ya know. 50 million football fans can't be wrong SMASH THE SYSTEM, EAT THE RICH ;D Agreed. No doubt he is a pioneer breaking new ground at every step. But sometimes the promise of large amounts of money leads to loss of integrity. I'm not saying this is definitely the case here, but everyone from politicians to evangelists start out with principles and then get a sniff of the green stuff and they lose control of their senses. Time will tell as you say. The only ones with anything to lose really are the guinea pig artists. maybe.
Money corrupts, no doubt about it... but I'm sooo tired of this Laz/pow bashing. Jeez, the guy just opened a contemporary art gallery in f**king toon, all because he spent time there and likes the people...! way to go ! show me one f**king cork street muppet with the balls to do that in the last 200 years jesus, they've only just got electricity up there there's 50000 street art lovers and a "meeja" frenzy in shoreditch, no disrespect intended, but hardly a big f**king risk some of the newcomers are taking by showing "urban art".
Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days.
Let's face facts hey.. without Laz, almost f**king nobody on here would would have anything more than a passing interest in art, let alone an active investment and interest in it (and I don't mean money). Yes, Laz has broken a few sensible market rules..f**king great !!! f**k the auctions and the galleries and the people who have controlled access to and dictated to us for centuries what art is and can be.. . If Laz prices you out of the market.. that's because your not the target buyers..he's challenging a centuries old system, and doing it A1... he's done the 50 quid street art print thing, long before this board or any other existed.. in fact it pretty much exists because he had the f**king sense to risk what he did... he's a street art fan.. he works for the artists and the artform. Not a bunch of moaning stamp collecting "ooo, I like street art too" consumers. Heads up, 80% of people between the age of 13 and 40 "like" street art. Cos we people buy and trade the odd print, means f**k all in the big scheme of things. Yes we supported the start of this and yes we supported the Laz/Banksy/POW/PYMC model of promoting this work to the artworld and the masses.. it ain't over yet... the long haul...let's see where it goes without attacking those that created the market for it. f**k it, you can't play, you can't play... watching is fun too ya know. 50 million football fans can't be wrong SMASH THE SYSTEM, EAT THE RICH ;D Agreed. No doubt he is a pioneer breaking new ground at every step. But sometimes the promise of large amounts of money leads to loss of integrity. I'm not saying this is definitely the case here, but everyone from politicians to evangelists start out with principles and then get a sniff of the green stuff and they lose control of their senses. Time will tell as you say. The only ones with anything to lose really are the guinea pig artists. maybe. Money corrupts, no doubt about it... but I'm sooo tired of this Laz/pow bashing. Jeez, the guy just opened a contemporary art gallery in f**king toon, all because he spent time there and likes the people...! way to go ! show me one f**king cork street muppet with the balls to do that in the last 200 years jesus, they've only just got electricity up there there's 50000 street art lovers and a "meeja" frenzy in shoreditch, no disrespect intended, but hardly a big f**king risk some of the newcomers are taking by showing "urban art". Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days.
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Fans V Investors, by numusic on Dec 1, 2007 22:12:32 GMT 1, SMASH THE SYSTEM, EAT THE RICH ;D But isn't LAZ becoming one of the richest? will he be the first to be eaten? ;D
yes, we'll become a small part of the system and get eaten by the kids in hoodies in a few years time.
SMASH THE SYSTEM, EAT THE RICH ;D But isn't LAZ becoming one of the richest? will he be the first to be eaten? ;D yes, we'll become a small part of the system and get eaten by the kids in hoodies in a few years time.
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Fans V Investors, by wimpy on Dec 1, 2007 22:13:55 GMT 1, Y'all really lit a fire under Nu's arse today.
Never seen such a lack of restraint (and grammar) from him.
Y'all really lit a fire under Nu's arse today. Never seen such a lack of restraint (and grammar) from him.
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Fans V Investors, by numusic on Dec 1, 2007 22:17:04 GMT 1, Y'all really lit a fire under Nu's arse today. Never seen such a lack of restraint (and grammar) from him.
s**t, it's this f**king crap speed, and leave my gramdma out of this hey !
Y'all really lit a fire under Nu's arse today. Never seen such a lack of restraint (and grammar) from him. s**t, it's this f**king crap speed, and leave my gramdma out of this hey !
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Fans V Investors, by corblimeylimey on Dec 1, 2007 22:18:55 GMT 1, I don't for one minute think LAZ opened up shop in Newcastle for the love of the people, surly it had more to do with his love for the filthy lucre.
I don't for one minute think LAZ opened up shop in Newcastle for the love of the people, surly it had more to do with his love for the filthy lucre.
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Fans V Investors, by numusic on Dec 1, 2007 22:19:54 GMT 1, I don't for one minute think LAZ opened up shop in Newcastle for the love of the people, surly it had more to do with his love for the filthy lucre.
Yes, they're gonna pay him in coal
You should have a chat with him about street art one day CBL. I'm sure you're not scanning and printing for the good of your health dude.
I don't for one minute think LAZ opened up shop in Newcastle for the love of the people, surly it had more to do with his love for the filthy lucre. Yes, they're gonna pay him in coal You should have a chat with him about street art one day CBL. I'm sure you're not scanning and printing for the good of your health dude.
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Fans V Investors, by afroken on Dec 1, 2007 22:21:15 GMT 1, Agreed. No doubt he is a pioneer breaking new ground at every step. But sometimes the promise of large amounts of money leads to loss of integrity. I'm not saying this is definitely the case here, but everyone from politicians to evangelists start out with principles and then get a sniff of the green stuff and they lose control of their senses. Time will tell as you say. The only ones with anything to lose really are the guinea pig artists. maybe. Money corrupts, no doubt about it... but I'm sooo tired of this Laz/pow bashing. Jeez, the guy just opened a contemporary art gallery in f**king toon, all because he spent time there and likes the people...! way to go ! show me one f**king cork street muppet with the balls to do that in the last 200 years jesus, they've only just got electricity up there there's 50000 street art lovers and a "meeja" frenzy in shoreditch, no disrespect intended, but hardly a big f**king risk some of the newcomers are taking by showing "urban art". Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days.
I've got no bones with Laz or POW and no reason to bash them. I'm just questioning the long term effects of propelling an artist from zero to 100mph. Monetary value doesnt make a better artist, so why do it?
Agreed. No doubt he is a pioneer breaking new ground at every step. But sometimes the promise of large amounts of money leads to loss of integrity. I'm not saying this is definitely the case here, but everyone from politicians to evangelists start out with principles and then get a sniff of the green stuff and they lose control of their senses. Time will tell as you say. The only ones with anything to lose really are the guinea pig artists. maybe. Money corrupts, no doubt about it... but I'm sooo tired of this Laz/pow bashing. Jeez, the guy just opened a contemporary art gallery in f**king toon, all because he spent time there and likes the people...! way to go ! show me one f**king cork street muppet with the balls to do that in the last 200 years jesus, they've only just got electricity up there there's 50000 street art lovers and a "meeja" frenzy in shoreditch, no disrespect intended, but hardly a big f**king risk some of the newcomers are taking by showing "urban art". Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days. I've got no bones with Laz or POW and no reason to bash them. I'm just questioning the long term effects of propelling an artist from zero to 100mph. Monetary value doesnt make a better artist, so why do it?
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Fans V Investors, by dkla on Dec 1, 2007 22:22:34 GMT 1, +1 to Nuart - well said, and so dead-on.
+1 to Nuart - well said, and so dead-on.
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Fans V Investors, by corblimeylimey on Dec 1, 2007 22:25:05 GMT 1, I don't for one minute think LAZ opened up shop in Newcastle for the love of the people, surly it had more to do with his love for the filthy lucre. Yes, they're gonna pay him in coal You should have a chat with him about street art one day CBL. I'm sure you're not scanning and printing for the good of your health dude.
Sure we're not, that's my point.
I don't for one minute think LAZ opened up shop in Newcastle for the love of the people, surly it had more to do with his love for the filthy lucre. Yes, they're gonna pay him in coal You should have a chat with him about street art one day CBL. I'm sure you're not scanning and printing for the good of your health dude. Sure we're not, that's my point.
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Fans V Investors, by numusic on Dec 1, 2007 22:27:11 GMT 1, Money corrupts, no doubt about it... but I'm sooo tired of this Laz/pow bashing. Jeez, the guy just opened a contemporary art gallery in f**king toon, all because he spent time there and likes the people...! way to go ! show me one f**king cork street muppet with the balls to do that in the last 200 years jesus, they've only just got electricity up there there's 50000 street art lovers and a "meeja" frenzy in shoreditch, no disrespect intended, but hardly a big f**king risk some of the newcomers are taking by showing "urban art". Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days. I've got no bones with Laz or POW and no reason to bash them. I'm just questioning the long term effects of propelling an artist from zero to 100mph. Monetary value doesnt make a better artist, so why do it?
Live fast die young ;D, but honestly, I really don't care if these guys last the distance, some will, some won't... some have dayjobs, some don't... the ones that don't ? that's pretty much down to Laz.. who really cares if in 60 years time, Micallef is a footnote and Shep is a respected grey haired artist troting out the same old same. Why care ?... times change, we move on, adapt or die or trot out the same ol shit to pay the mortgage.. it's not interesting to me. Only the now. Maybe it's different for others, I don't know..
Money corrupts, no doubt about it... but I'm sooo tired of this Laz/pow bashing. Jeez, the guy just opened a contemporary art gallery in f**king toon, all because he spent time there and likes the people...! way to go ! show me one f**king cork street muppet with the balls to do that in the last 200 years jesus, they've only just got electricity up there there's 50000 street art lovers and a "meeja" frenzy in shoreditch, no disrespect intended, but hardly a big f**king risk some of the newcomers are taking by showing "urban art". Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days. I've got no bones with Laz or POW and no reason to bash them. I'm just questioning the long term effects of propelling an artist from zero to 100mph. Monetary value doesnt make a better artist, so why do it? Live fast die young ;D, but honestly, I really don't care if these guys last the distance, some will, some won't... some have dayjobs, some don't... the ones that don't ? that's pretty much down to Laz.. who really cares if in 60 years time, Micallef is a footnote and Shep is a respected grey haired artist troting out the same old same. Why care ?... times change, we move on, adapt or die or trot out the same ol shit to pay the mortgage.. it's not interesting to me. Only the now. Maybe it's different for others, I don't know..
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Fans V Investors, by numusic on Dec 1, 2007 22:30:56 GMT 1, Yes, they're gonna pay him in coal You should have a chat with him about street art one day CBL. I'm sure you're not scanning and printing for the good of your health dude. Sure we're not, that's my point.
But you sure didn't go into it for the money right ? and you certainly don't stay in it for such. You pick up your camera cos you have something to show, tell, say.. same for an agent picking up an artist. Have you seen how ugly some of the stuff he likes is ? half of it is absolutely unsellable (is that a word ?)... "yeah, here's a life size model of a man in a hoody, you can hang him on your wall"
Yes, they're gonna pay him in coal You should have a chat with him about street art one day CBL. I'm sure you're not scanning and printing for the good of your health dude. Sure we're not, that's my point. But you sure didn't go into it for the money right ? and you certainly don't stay in it for such. You pick up your camera cos you have something to show, tell, say.. same for an agent picking up an artist. Have you seen how ugly some of the stuff he likes is ? half of it is absolutely unsellable (is that a word ?)... "yeah, here's a life size model of a man in a hoody, you can hang him on your wall"
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Fans V Investors, by guest2 on Dec 1, 2007 22:32:33 GMT 1, Agreed. No doubt he is a pioneer breaking new ground at every step. But sometimes the promise of large amounts of money leads to loss of integrity. I'm not saying this is definitely the case here, but everyone from politicians to evangelists start out with principles and then get a sniff of the green stuff and they lose control of their senses. Time will tell as you say. The only ones with anything to lose really are the guinea pig artists. maybe. Money corrupts, no doubt about it... but I'm sooo tired of this Laz/pow bashing. Jeez, the guy just opened a contemporary art gallery in f**king toon, all because he spent time there and likes the people...! way to go ! show me one f**king cork street muppet with the balls to do that in the last 200 years jesus, they've only just got electricity up there there's 50000 street art lovers and a "meeja" frenzy in shoreditch, no disrespect intended, but hardly a big f**king risk some of the newcomers are taking by showing "urban art". Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days. wheres hulme?
Agreed. No doubt he is a pioneer breaking new ground at every step. But sometimes the promise of large amounts of money leads to loss of integrity. I'm not saying this is definitely the case here, but everyone from politicians to evangelists start out with principles and then get a sniff of the green stuff and they lose control of their senses. Time will tell as you say. The only ones with anything to lose really are the guinea pig artists. maybe. Money corrupts, no doubt about it... but I'm sooo tired of this Laz/pow bashing. Jeez, the guy just opened a contemporary art gallery in f**king toon, all because he spent time there and likes the people...! way to go ! show me one f**king cork street muppet with the balls to do that in the last 200 years jesus, they've only just got electricity up there there's 50000 street art lovers and a "meeja" frenzy in shoreditch, no disrespect intended, but hardly a big f**king risk some of the newcomers are taking by showing "urban art". Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days. wheres hulme?
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Fans V Investors, by numusic on Dec 1, 2007 22:33:37 GMT 1, Money corrupts, no doubt about it... but I'm sooo tired of this Laz/pow bashing. Jeez, the guy just opened a contemporary art gallery in f**king toon, all because he spent time there and likes the people...! way to go ! show me one f**king cork street muppet with the balls to do that in the last 200 years jesus, they've only just got electricity up there there's 50000 street art lovers and a "meeja" frenzy in shoreditch, no disrespect intended, but hardly a big f**king risk some of the newcomers are taking by showing "urban art". Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days. wheres hulme?
peace and love, sorry for flaming through this thread, no doubt i'll read through tomorrow with my head in my hands .. party time. ;D
Money corrupts, no doubt about it... but I'm sooo tired of this Laz/pow bashing. Jeez, the guy just opened a contemporary art gallery in f**king toon, all because he spent time there and likes the people...! way to go ! show me one f**king cork street muppet with the balls to do that in the last 200 years jesus, they've only just got electricity up there there's 50000 street art lovers and a "meeja" frenzy in shoreditch, no disrespect intended, but hardly a big f**king risk some of the newcomers are taking by showing "urban art". Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days. wheres hulme? peace and love, sorry for flaming through this thread, no doubt i'll read through tomorrow with my head in my hands .. party time. ;D
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Fans V Investors, by manchestermike on Dec 1, 2007 22:42:18 GMT 1, Money corrupts, no doubt about it... but I'm sooo tired of this Laz/pow bashing. Jeez, the guy just opened a contemporary art gallery in f**king toon, all because he spent time there and likes the people...! way to go ! show me one f**king cork street muppet with the balls to do that in the last 200 years jesus, they've only just got electricity up there there's 50000 street art lovers and a "meeja" frenzy in shoreditch, no disrespect intended, but hardly a big f**king risk some of the newcomers are taking by showing "urban art". Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days. wheres hulme?
How very dare you!!!!
Money corrupts, no doubt about it... but I'm sooo tired of this Laz/pow bashing. Jeez, the guy just opened a contemporary art gallery in f**king toon, all because he spent time there and likes the people...! way to go ! show me one f**king cork street muppet with the balls to do that in the last 200 years jesus, they've only just got electricity up there there's 50000 street art lovers and a "meeja" frenzy in shoreditch, no disrespect intended, but hardly a big f**king risk some of the newcomers are taking by showing "urban art". Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days. wheres hulme? How very dare you!!!!
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Fans V Investors, by corblimeylimey on Dec 1, 2007 22:43:32 GMT 1, Sure we're not, that's my point. But you sure didn't go into it for the money right ? and you certainly don't stay in it for such. You pick up your camera cos you have something to show, tell, say.. same for an agent picking up an artist. Have you seen how ugly some of the stuff he likes is ? half of it is absolutely unsellable (is that a word ?)... "yeah, here's a life size model of a man in a hoody, you can hang him on your wall"
Yeah I see your point Nu, Laz was genuinely interested in the scene, not just street art but the whole scene of photography, hip hop etc, I just think (possibly wrongly) that the money has corrupted, I've had a dig around and found this old pic of Laz, would you recognise him? Before
in fact if you looked like him would he pay much attention to you during a show?
After
(pic by Silky)
Sure we're not, that's my point. But you sure didn't go into it for the money right ? and you certainly don't stay in it for such. You pick up your camera cos you have something to show, tell, say.. same for an agent picking up an artist. Have you seen how ugly some of the stuff he likes is ? half of it is absolutely unsellable (is that a word ?)... "yeah, here's a life size model of a man in a hoody, you can hang him on your wall" Yeah I see your point Nu, Laz was genuinely interested in the scene, not just street art but the whole scene of photography, hip hop etc, I just think (possibly wrongly) that the money has corrupted, I've had a dig around and found this old pic of Laz, would you recognise him? Before in fact if you looked like him would he pay much attention to you during a show? After (pic by Silky)
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Fans V Investors, by stuey09 on Dec 1, 2007 22:49:23 GMT 1, Agreed. No doubt he is a pioneer breaking new ground at every step. But sometimes the promise of large amounts of money leads to loss of integrity. I'm not saying this is definitely the case here, but everyone from politicians to evangelists start out with principles and then get a sniff of the green stuff and they lose control of their senses. Time will tell as you say. The only ones with anything to lose really are the guinea pig artists. maybe. Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days.
Keep it under your hat Nu, but I have it on good authority that a Mr. Levine has been checking out properties in Darlingtons Cornmill shopping centre
Agreed. No doubt he is a pioneer breaking new ground at every step. But sometimes the promise of large amounts of money leads to loss of integrity. I'm not saying this is definitely the case here, but everyone from politicians to evangelists start out with principles and then get a sniff of the green stuff and they lose control of their senses. Time will tell as you say. The only ones with anything to lose really are the guinea pig artists. maybe. Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days.Keep it under your hat Nu, but I have it on good authority that a Mr. Levine has been checking out properties in Darlingtons Cornmill shopping centre
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Fans V Investors, by wimpy on Dec 1, 2007 23:07:45 GMT 1, As much as Laz deserves credit for doing what he has in making these artists rich, Silky should at least be entitled to a tug job behind a dumpster from Banksy, no?
As much as Laz deserves credit for doing what he has in making these artists rich, Silky should at least be entitled to a tug job behind a dumpster from Banksy, no?
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Fans V Investors, by robertlondon on Dec 1, 2007 23:24:03 GMT 1, One of the reasons for Laz taking on Newcastle must be because the people of Tyneside/Northumberland have the highest level of original art ownership (per head) than the rest of Britain.
Apparently.
One of the reasons for Laz taking on Newcastle must be because the people of Tyneside/Northumberland have the highest level of original art ownership (per head) than the rest of Britain.
Apparently.
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Fans V Investors, by dslug on Dec 1, 2007 23:56:27 GMT 1, Isnt everyone here both a fan and an investor.I know I buy what I want to live with and look at but I also want it to remain collectable and valuable even if I never sell it.
Isnt everyone here both a fan and an investor.I know I buy what I want to live with and look at but I also want it to remain collectable and valuable even if I never sell it.
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Fans V Investors, by robertlondon on Dec 2, 2007 0:05:36 GMT 1, dslug - I agree
There was a poll on here recently asking "Why do you buy art?"
the results were:
short term profit 2.8% long term profit 7.0% to display 18.5% to collect in tubes 0.0% mixture of above 71.8%
I assuming that the "mixture of above" doesn't mean that hoards of people have a secret urge to store paper in tubes... meaning that nearly 80% (well lets say at least 50%) have an eye on investment/profit.
I donโt think the divide between "true fans" and โinvestorsโ is that clear cut anymore. The sooner we acknowledge this (and perhaps admit to ourselves on this forum) the better.
dslug - I agree
There was a poll on here recently asking "Why do you buy art?"
the results were:
short term profit 2.8% long term profit 7.0% to display 18.5% to collect in tubes 0.0% mixture of above 71.8%
I assuming that the "mixture of above" doesn't mean that hoards of people have a secret urge to store paper in tubes... meaning that nearly 80% (well lets say at least 50%) have an eye on investment/profit.
I donโt think the divide between "true fans" and โinvestorsโ is that clear cut anymore. The sooner we acknowledge this (and perhaps admit to ourselves on this forum) the better.
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Fans V Investors, by lesbianwednesdays on Dec 2, 2007 0:36:09 GMT 1, Money corrupts, no doubt about it... but I'm sooo tired of this Laz/pow bashing. Jeez, the guy just opened a contemporary art gallery in f**king toon, all because he spent time there and likes the people...! way to go ! show me one f**king cork street muppet with the balls to do that in the last 200 years jesus, they've only just got electricity up there there's 50000 street art lovers and a "meeja" frenzy in shoreditch, no disrespect intended, but hardly a big f**king risk some of the newcomers are taking by showing "urban art". Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days. wheres hulme?
cheadle???
Money corrupts, no doubt about it... but I'm sooo tired of this Laz/pow bashing. Jeez, the guy just opened a contemporary art gallery in f**king toon, all because he spent time there and likes the people...! way to go ! show me one f**king cork street muppet with the balls to do that in the last 200 years jesus, they've only just got electricity up there there's 50000 street art lovers and a "meeja" frenzy in shoreditch, no disrespect intended, but hardly a big f**king risk some of the newcomers are taking by showing "urban art". Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days. wheres hulme? cheadle???
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Fans V Investors, by gbh on Dec 2, 2007 1:36:28 GMT 1, It has worked that way for me. As Banksy has gotten out of control, I have just moved on to others I find interesting and affordable.
sort of working the other way for me.
basically, I have stopped buying loads of prints at the lower end of the market and am now only buying signed/originals of well established artists .
It has worked that way for me. As Banksy has gotten out of control, I have just moved on to others I find interesting and affordable. sort of working the other way for me. basically, I have stopped buying loads of prints at the lower end of the market and am now only buying signed/originals of well established artists .
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Fans V Investors, by ambrosiabaptism on Dec 2, 2007 1:40:15 GMT 1, really well said...i think that's it in a nutshell +1 Let's face facts hey.. without Laz, almost f**king nobody on here would would have anything more than a passing interest in art, let alone an active investment and interest in it (and I don't mean money). Yes, Laz has broken a few sensible market rules..f**king great !!! f**k the auctions and the galleries and the people who have controlled access to and dictated to us for centuries what art is and can be.. . If Laz prices you out of the market.. that's because you're no longer the target buyers, you were when he started, 8 years ago...give the guy a break, he's challenging a centuries old system, and doing it A1, an international impact in anything is some f**king achievement in my book... he's done the 50 quid street art print thing, long before this board or any other existed, he's over it.. in fact it pretty much exists because he had the f**king sense to risk what he did when he did.... he's a full on street art fan.. he works for the artists and the artform. Not a bunch of moaning stamp collecting "ooo, I like street art too" consumers. Heads up, 80% of people between the age of 13 and 40 "like" street art. Cos we people buy and trade the odd print, means f**k all in the big scheme of things. Yes we supported the start of this and yes we supported the Laz/Banksy/POW/PYMC model of promoting this work to the artworld and the masses.. it ain't over yet... the long haul...let's see where it goes without attacking those that created the market for it. f**k it, you can't play, you can't play... watching is fun too ya know. 50 million football fans can't be wrong SMASH THE SYSTEM, EAT THE RICH ;D
too fuckin' right ! "....the long haul"
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really well said...i think that's it in a nutshell +1 Let's face facts hey.. without Laz, almost f**king nobody on here would would have anything more than a passing interest in art, let alone an active investment and interest in it (and I don't mean money). Yes, Laz has broken a few sensible market rules..f**king great !!! f**k the auctions and the galleries and the people who have controlled access to and dictated to us for centuries what art is and can be.. . If Laz prices you out of the market.. that's because you're no longer the target buyers, you were when he started, 8 years ago...give the guy a break, he's challenging a centuries old system, and doing it A1, an international impact in anything is some f**king achievement in my book... he's done the 50 quid street art print thing, long before this board or any other existed, he's over it.. in fact it pretty much exists because he had the f**king sense to risk what he did when he did.... he's a full on street art fan.. he works for the artists and the artform. Not a bunch of moaning stamp collecting "ooo, I like street art too" consumers. Heads up, 80% of people between the age of 13 and 40 "like" street art. Cos we people buy and trade the odd print, means f**k all in the big scheme of things. Yes we supported the start of this and yes we supported the Laz/Banksy/POW/PYMC model of promoting this work to the artworld and the masses.. it ain't over yet... the long haul...let's see where it goes without attacking those that created the market for it. f**k it, you can't play, you can't play... watching is fun too ya know. 50 million football fans can't be wrong SMASH THE SYSTEM, EAT THE RICH ;D too fuckin' right ! "....the long haul" +1
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Fans V Investors, by ambrosiabaptism on Dec 2, 2007 1:48:44 GMT 1, Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days.
Lol ! stroll on ;D
Frankie Hulme is in Manachester - Nice place ;D use to go to the punks picnics there back in the day....hanging round the golden egale.
Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days. Lol ! stroll on ;D Frankie Hulme is in Manachester - Nice place ;D use to go to the punks picnics there back in the day....hanging round the golden egale.
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Fans V Investors, by ricosg11 on Dec 2, 2007 3:51:28 GMT 1, I've got no bones with Laz or POW and no reason to bash them. I'm just questioning the long term effects of propelling an artist from zero to 100mph. Monetary value doesnt make a better artist, so why do it? Live fast die young ;D, but honestly, I really don't care if these guys last the distance, some will, some won't... some have dayjobs, some don't... the ones that don't ? that's pretty much down to Laz.. who really cares if in 60 years time, Micallef is a footnote and Shep is a respected grey haired artist troting out the same old same. Why care ?... times change, we move on, adapt or die or trot out the same ol s**t to pay the mortgage.. it's not interesting to me. Only the now. Maybe it's different for others, I don't know..
Thats all well and good if you can just keep finding and pumping out new talent. The problem is you are dealing with artists (people) not some commodity to throw away when it isnt useful any longer.
I've got no bones with Laz or POW and no reason to bash them. I'm just questioning the long term effects of propelling an artist from zero to 100mph. Monetary value doesnt make a better artist, so why do it? Live fast die young ;D, but honestly, I really don't care if these guys last the distance, some will, some won't... some have dayjobs, some don't... the ones that don't ? that's pretty much down to Laz.. who really cares if in 60 years time, Micallef is a footnote and Shep is a respected grey haired artist troting out the same old same. Why care ?... times change, we move on, adapt or die or trot out the same ol s**t to pay the mortgage.. it's not interesting to me. Only the now. Maybe it's different for others, I don't know.. Thats all well and good if you can just keep finding and pumping out new talent. The problem is you are dealing with artists (people) not some commodity to throw away when it isnt useful any longer.
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Fans V Investors, by darjeeling on Dec 2, 2007 3:56:41 GMT 1, A lot of artists have their five minutes of fame and then dissapear back into the woodwork, artists who have ben selling for thousands today will be selling for hundreds tommorrow, Micallef being a case in point ...once prices have gone down it is very hard for them to go back up.
While I agree with that sentiment, fluctuation isn't that unusual and do you also know this is the case with his high end originals? I know his prints have taken a beating recently but I kind of think the people dropping 50k on a canvas don't care what us peons are doing on ebay. Although it could definitely be a sign and the big time players are just as susceptible at making the same mistakes we can.
And although on the surface I might stereotype the ultra rich and people who "invest" money in art aren't true fans. But it can't always be the case. I'm sure there are some who got caught up in the art auction euphoria but I bet most of the big players truly love art or else they'd invest their money in stocks, pork futures or some other stupid more traditional investment.
What's my point? I don't know. The world is all gray area I think.
A lot of artists have their five minutes of fame and then dissapear back into the woodwork, artists who have ben selling for thousands today will be selling for hundreds tommorrow, Micallef being a case in point ...once prices have gone down it is very hard for them to go back up. While I agree with that sentiment, fluctuation isn't that unusual and do you also know this is the case with his high end originals? I know his prints have taken a beating recently but I kind of think the people dropping 50k on a canvas don't care what us peons are doing on ebay. Although it could definitely be a sign and the big time players are just as susceptible at making the same mistakes we can. And although on the surface I might stereotype the ultra rich and people who "invest" money in art aren't true fans. But it can't always be the case. I'm sure there are some who got caught up in the art auction euphoria but I bet most of the big players truly love art or else they'd invest their money in stocks, pork futures or some other stupid more traditional investment. What's my point? I don't know. The world is all gray area I think.
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Fans V Investors, by daveh on Dec 2, 2007 13:56:06 GMT 1, Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days. Lol ! stroll on ;D Frankie Hulme is in Manachester - Nice place ;D use to go to the punks picnics there back in the day....hanging round the golden egale.
ambrosia- this may take you back... www.exhulme.co.uk/index.php
Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days. Lol ! stroll on ;D Frankie Hulme is in Manachester - Nice place ;D use to go to the punks picnics there back in the day....hanging round the golden egale. ambrosia- this may take you back... www.exhulme.co.uk/index.php
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Fans V Investors, by manchestermike on Dec 2, 2007 14:22:29 GMT 1, Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days. Lol ! stroll on ;D Frankie Hulme is in Manachester - Nice place ;D use to go to the punks picnics there back in the day....hanging round the golden egale. ambrosia- this may take you back... www.exhulme.co.uk/index.php
Top site ;D
I remember going to watch the demolition of all the crescents with my dad... I was too young to go to all the parties etc at that time, but even in the mid 90s getting the bus through Hulme to the city centre was hairy... It's very different now, students and young professionals in the main... still has a bit of an edge though
Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days. Lol ! stroll on ;D Frankie Hulme is in Manachester - Nice place ;D use to go to the punks picnics there back in the day....hanging round the golden egale. ambrosia- this may take you back... www.exhulme.co.uk/index.phpTop site ;D I remember going to watch the demolition of all the crescents with my dad... I was too young to go to all the parties etc at that time, but even in the mid 90s getting the bus through Hulme to the city centre was hairy... It's very different now, students and young professionals in the main... still has a bit of an edge though
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Fans V Investors, by ambrosiabaptism on Dec 2, 2007 14:59:49 GMT 1, Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days. Lol ! stroll on ;D Frankie Hulme is in Manchester - Nice place ;D use to go to the punks picnics there back in the day....hanging round the golden eagle. ambrosia- this may take you back... www.exhulme.co.uk/index.php
wow thank you for this link Its amazing! Haven't got through it all, brought back lots of memories. Hulme could be one scary place but at the same time it was ace.
And there's a picture of the f**kin' eagle !!!!! +1
Cheers Mate
Next up. TLSG in Leeds, BRP in South Shields, Campbarbara in Hulme... happy days. Lol ! stroll on ;D Frankie Hulme is in Manchester - Nice place ;D use to go to the punks picnics there back in the day....hanging round the golden eagle. ambrosia- this may take you back... www.exhulme.co.uk/index.php wow thank you for this link Its amazing! Haven't got through it all, brought back lots of memories. Hulme could be one scary place but at the same time it was ace. And there's a picture of the f**kin' eagle !!!!! +1 Cheers Mate
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Fans V Investors, by top on Dec 2, 2007 17:48:00 GMT 1, Ha! ;D ;D what a great thread..now everyone's talked talked thru the money for art groans and applause (never ending debate it seems..) and then all back to the art-where it counts!!!!!!!! this forum is quality people! i aint got much quids but i'd happily have more..aint selling none of me art tho..
Ha! ;D ;D what a great thread..now everyone's talked talked thru the money for art groans and applause (never ending debate it seems..) and then all back to the art-where it counts!!!!!!!! this forum is quality people! i aint got much quids but i'd happily have more..aint selling none of me art tho..
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