jynormous
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November 2007
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How to get your prints flat?, by jynormous on Nov 20, 2007 16:03:29 GMT 1, I have never taken mine out of the tubes but now im thinking about storing them flat in a folder, only problem all the prints are still curved after being rolled up in a tube for so long.
After everyone gets their prints, what do they do to them before they store them?
do you do anything to it to remove the bend of the print before you store it? how do you get it flat?
cheers, Jy.
I have never taken mine out of the tubes but now im thinking about storing them flat in a folder, only problem all the prints are still curved after being rolled up in a tube for so long.
After everyone gets their prints, what do they do to them before they store them?
do you do anything to it to remove the bend of the print before you store it? how do you get it flat?
cheers, Jy.
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How to get your prints flat?, by slowmo on Nov 20, 2007 16:06:25 GMT 1, I soak mine in vinegar and then bake them.
I soak mine in vinegar and then bake them.
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ratpack
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September 2006
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How to get your prints flat?, by ratpack on Nov 20, 2007 16:06:47 GMT 1, I have never taken mine out of the tubes but now im thinking about storing them flat in a folder, only problem all the prints are still curved after being rolled up in a tube for so long.
What about putting them in a frame?
I have never taken mine out of the tubes but now im thinking about storing them flat in a folder, only problem all the prints are still curved after being rolled up in a tube for so long. What about putting them in a frame?
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How to get your prints flat?, by melmoth on Nov 20, 2007 16:16:51 GMT 1, For ones that have been in the tubes a short period of time, something on the corners should suffice - I use thick books to do this.
For ones longer than a few months, you'll probably have to resort to putting them between two sheets of plywood or masonite.
For ones that have been in the tubes a short period of time, something on the corners should suffice - I use thick books to do this.
For ones longer than a few months, you'll probably have to resort to putting them between two sheets of plywood or masonite.
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How to get your prints flat?, by buster on Nov 20, 2007 16:22:26 GMT 1, I have never taken mine out of the tubes but now im thinking about storing them flat in a folder, only problem all the prints are still curved after being rolled up in a tube for so long. After everyone gets their prints, what do they do to them before they store them? do you do anything to it to remove the bend of the print before you store it? how do you get it flat? cheers, Jy. The longer you leave them in the tubes, the tighter they will retain the roll. They will also absorb chemicals from the tube, neither of which are good ( dont keep your prints in tubes!) Carefully remove the prints from the tubes and leave sitting somewhere safe for a few weeks or months to let the fibres in the paper relax and the print to flatten. Let this happen as slowly and naturally as possible, dont try to place books onto the print etc... this will fold the print back against the curve induced in the tube and can lead to creasing the paper and cracking the ink ( especially in prints with alot of black as it can take several layers of black to get a strong black on a print ( look at grin reaper, pulp and HMV)). Dont rush it and make sure they are left somewhere safe. Once they are flattened by themselves, they should be fine to place in a folder.
I have never taken mine out of the tubes but now im thinking about storing them flat in a folder, only problem all the prints are still curved after being rolled up in a tube for so long. After everyone gets their prints, what do they do to them before they store them? do you do anything to it to remove the bend of the print before you store it? how do you get it flat? cheers, Jy. The longer you leave them in the tubes, the tighter they will retain the roll. They will also absorb chemicals from the tube, neither of which are good ( dont keep your prints in tubes!) Carefully remove the prints from the tubes and leave sitting somewhere safe for a few weeks or months to let the fibres in the paper relax and the print to flatten. Let this happen as slowly and naturally as possible, dont try to place books onto the print etc... this will fold the print back against the curve induced in the tube and can lead to creasing the paper and cracking the ink ( especially in prints with alot of black as it can take several layers of black to get a strong black on a print ( look at grin reaper, pulp and HMV)). Dont rush it and make sure they are left somewhere safe. Once they are flattened by themselves, they should be fine to place in a folder.
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dmandpenfold
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December 2006
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How to get your prints flat?, by dmandpenfold on Nov 20, 2007 16:26:17 GMT 1, carefully is all i can say, i'd taken about a week to slowly uncurl a print only to put a small crease in the edge today through being a little careless
However it is minor damage and i'm sure can be corrected successfully.
For prints rolled up for a while, it takes patience, i'd let it sit out of the tube without any extra help to start with then use some books or similar to gradually spread it out over a few weeks or so (acid free paper in between of course), then once happy that it's fairly flat look at sandwiching it protected between a couple of boards. Dont frame it too early in the process or you'll end up with wrinkles.
Edit: buster doesnt agree with me on the books but everything else ie as much time and patience as possible is best
carefully is all i can say, i'd taken about a week to slowly uncurl a print only to put a small crease in the edge today through being a little careless However it is minor damage and i'm sure can be corrected successfully. For prints rolled up for a while, it takes patience, i'd let it sit out of the tube without any extra help to start with then use some books or similar to gradually spread it out over a few weeks or so (acid free paper in between of course), then once happy that it's fairly flat look at sandwiching it protected between a couple of boards. Dont frame it too early in the process or you'll end up with wrinkles. Edit: buster doesnt agree with me on the books but everything else ie as much time and patience as possible is best
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How to get your prints flat?, by lesbianwednesdays on Nov 20, 2007 16:37:53 GMT 1, sorry but where the f*ck are you supposed to leave them to 'relax' a bit? i have two cats and a 9 month old son, i wouldn't leave a sweet wrapper lying about yet alone a valuble print!!
i tend to get things to the framer asap but right now have a few things in tubes i know. i'm thinking of getting a couple of boards to sandwich the lot between and keep them safe from the clan. any tips for boarding to use, perhaps mdf or such like, chipboard even will have a better ph than say ply? but then they must contain an adhesive, in a dilema now
sorry but where the f*ck are you supposed to leave them to 'relax' a bit? i have two cats and a 9 month old son, i wouldn't leave a sweet wrapper lying about yet alone a valuble print!! i tend to get things to the framer asap but right now have a few things in tubes i know. i'm thinking of getting a couple of boards to sandwich the lot between and keep them safe from the clan. any tips for boarding to use, perhaps mdf or such like, chipboard even will have a better ph than say ply? but then they must contain an adhesive, in a dilema now
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speedyli
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January 2007
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How to get your prints flat?, by speedyli on Nov 20, 2007 16:46:58 GMT 1, I use two large pieces of 6 MM glass, works a treat.
I use two large pieces of 6 MM glass, works a treat.
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dmandpenfold
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December 2006
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How to get your prints flat?, by dmandpenfold on Nov 20, 2007 17:06:06 GMT 1, sorry but where the f*ck are you supposed to leave them to 'relax' a bit? i have two cats and a 9 month old son, i wouldn't leave a sweet wrapper lying about yet alone a valuble print!!
fuck nose, pets and small people are always a danger, spare room on top of the wardrobe, in the loft, cellar....the dampness will help relax the fibres a bit.....
speedyli's idea with the glass sounds good, what about perspex if you're not comfortable with large sheets of glass lying around with kids / pets charging about
CAVEAT: winky thing means the preceeding comment was a joke and i accept no liability for wet or dusty prints
sorry but where the f*ck are you supposed to leave them to 'relax' a bit? i have two cats and a 9 month old son, i wouldn't leave a sweet wrapper lying about yet alone a valuble print!! fu ck nose, pets and small people are always a danger, spare room on top of the wardrobe, in the loft, cellar....the dampness will help relax the fibres a bit..... speedyli's idea with the glass sounds good, what about perspex if you're not comfortable with large sheets of glass lying around with kids / pets charging about CAVEAT: winky thing means the preceeding comment was a joke and i accept no liability for wet or dusty prints
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How to get your prints flat?, by slowmo on Nov 20, 2007 17:21:03 GMT 1, I put a load of dirt on one of my prints by shoving it on top of a wardrobe to straighten out. Luckily got it off, but for those thinking of such a safe store, remember to clean the wardrobe top first
I put a load of dirt on one of my prints by shoving it on top of a wardrobe to straighten out. Luckily got it off, but for those thinking of such a safe store, remember to clean the wardrobe top first
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How to get your prints flat?, by buster on Nov 20, 2007 17:34:52 GMT 1, I put a load of dirt on one of my prints by shoving it on top of a wardrobe to straighten out. Luckily got it off, but for those thinking of such a safe store, remember to clean the wardrobe top first LOL I was about to sugest that very thing slowmo, as for boards, I got 2 acid free backing boards from my framers ( big enough to keep applause flat) for a couple of quid, hinged one edge with doubled over duct tape ( so that the sticky stuff wasnt exposed to the prints in any way), with a layer of tissue between each print, works a treat and looks like this.....
I put a load of dirt on one of my prints by shoving it on top of a wardrobe to straighten out. Luckily got it off, but for those thinking of such a safe store, remember to clean the wardrobe top first LOL I was about to sugest that very thing slowmo, as for boards, I got 2 acid free backing boards from my framers ( big enough to keep applause flat) for a couple of quid, hinged one edge with doubled over duct tape ( so that the sticky stuff wasnt exposed to the prints in any way), with a layer of tissue between each print, works a treat and looks like this.....
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dmandpenfold
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December 2006
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How to get your prints flat?, by dmandpenfold on Nov 20, 2007 17:36:52 GMT 1, is Mrs B relegated to the sofa?? where do you sleep, with the dog? i wondered where you'd learned to lick your own balls ;D
is Mrs B relegated to the sofa?? where do you sleep, with the dog? i wondered where you'd learned to lick your own balls ;D
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themightyreds
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February 2007
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How to get your prints flat?, by themightyreds on Nov 20, 2007 17:50:18 GMT 1, I've got one of the large (100x70) frames from ikea that cost about ยฃ20. Lay it face down and the back gives plenty of space for a print to let itself relax out, then once its uncurled itself i place some books/mags on it (starting at the middle) and move them out towards the ends a bit every day till they are holding the print flat. Once it can lay flat on its own i lift up the frame backboard and keep the print under there. When prints aren't being flattened the whole lot gets moved to under the bed. Easy.
I've got one of the large (100x70) frames from ikea that cost about ยฃ20. Lay it face down and the back gives plenty of space for a print to let itself relax out, then once its uncurled itself i place some books/mags on it (starting at the middle) and move them out towards the ends a bit every day till they are holding the print flat. Once it can lay flat on its own i lift up the frame backboard and keep the print under there. When prints aren't being flattened the whole lot gets moved to under the bed. Easy.
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How to get your prints flat?, by lesbianwednesdays on Nov 20, 2007 17:52:40 GMT 1, cheers buster, i've just made a crude version of that with an old spare frame, the box for a stairgate and plenty of tissue paper doesnae look as tidy as yours mind but will do the job i think until new year.
cheers for the suggestions also peoples, appreciated.
cheers buster, i've just made a crude version of that with an old spare frame, the box for a stairgate and plenty of tissue paper doesnae look as tidy as yours mind but will do the job i think until new year. cheers for the suggestions also peoples, appreciated.
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jynormous
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November 2007
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How to get your prints flat?, by jynormous on Nov 20, 2007 18:16:33 GMT 1, I think thats the best idea Buster....
Thanks for the tips guys....and i think we have all learnt that storing prints in tubes is a big no no!
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I think thats the best idea Buster....
Thanks for the tips guys....and i think we have all learnt that storing prints in tubes is a big no no!
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rolyateel
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How to get your prints flat?, by rolyateel on Nov 20, 2007 22:07:14 GMT 1, I have never taken mine out of the tubes but now im thinking about storing them flat in a folder, only problem all the prints are still curved after being rolled up in a tube for so long. After everyone gets their prints, what do they do to them before they store them? do you do anything to it to remove the bend of the print before you store it? how do you get it flat? cheers, Jy.
either frame them (hey, who'd have thought of actually framing a print!) or keep them in a portfolio...I have an A1 portfolio that cost about ยฃ50 and included approx 10 A1 inserts...make sure they're archival. When a print arrives I carefully slide them into a sleeve & close the portfolio, the weight of the portfolio & the prints I have in there at the mo flattens out the new print nicely. within a couple of week it'll be flat as a pancake. The only problem is with larger prints, I have a Micallef awaiting framing that is too big. I've transferred it to a bigger (rounder) tube (an old BRP one) which will hopefully let it relax a little more.
I have never taken mine out of the tubes but now im thinking about storing them flat in a folder, only problem all the prints are still curved after being rolled up in a tube for so long. After everyone gets their prints, what do they do to them before they store them? do you do anything to it to remove the bend of the print before you store it? how do you get it flat? cheers, Jy. either frame them (hey, who'd have thought of actually framing a print!) or keep them in a portfolio...I have an A1 portfolio that cost about ยฃ50 and included approx 10 A1 inserts...make sure they're archival. When a print arrives I carefully slide them into a sleeve & close the portfolio, the weight of the portfolio & the prints I have in there at the mo flattens out the new print nicely. within a couple of week it'll be flat as a pancake. The only problem is with larger prints, I have a Micallef awaiting framing that is too big. I've transferred it to a bigger (rounder) tube (an old BRP one) which will hopefully let it relax a little more.
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How to get your prints flat?, by paulypaul on Nov 20, 2007 23:27:32 GMT 1, I love BRP tubes...
I love BRP tubes...
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HarwoodKing
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November 2007
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How to get your prints flat?, by HarwoodKing on Nov 21, 2007 20:05:50 GMT 1, This can be a problem if the print has been shipped to you tightly rolled and has been left for a long time in the tube. The result of this is that the print will be difficult to flatten without creasing it, but with care it can be done.
Take the print out of the tube if it remains tightly rolled free of the tube then you may need to back roll it. If it springs open and just remains curled then it has not been in the tube too long and you may simply place it on a flat surface curl up, and introduce a large weighty book on top of it, being careful not to dent the surface of the print. If the print is large you may need two or more books to anchor down each end of the print. Leaving the book/s on the print overnight should flatten the print. This operation is easier with two people as one can place the book/s on top whilst the other gently flattens the print
If you need to back roll the print then you need to use the tube as a roller on a large flat surface (table). The tube should have a diameter of about 10 cm or more. Less could damage the print with a dent if your not careful.
NOTE!!!! you must attach a wide sheet of paper to the length of the roll to act as a gripper to the print. If you do not you will dent the print.
Wedge the print in between the roll and the attached paper so that when you roll the tube across the table the print is wound against the curl.
Tightly roll the print along your flat surface; the attached paper will wrap the print around the tube for you. Leave it wrapped for about 1 - 2 hours unwind and the print will be flat.
Quentin If you want more print care advice contact me quentin@harwoodking.com
This can be a problem if the print has been shipped to you tightly rolled and has been left for a long time in the tube. The result of this is that the print will be difficult to flatten without creasing it, but with care it can be done.
Take the print out of the tube if it remains tightly rolled free of the tube then you may need to back roll it. If it springs open and just remains curled then it has not been in the tube too long and you may simply place it on a flat surface curl up, and introduce a large weighty book on top of it, being careful not to dent the surface of the print. If the print is large you may need two or more books to anchor down each end of the print. Leaving the book/s on the print overnight should flatten the print. This operation is easier with two people as one can place the book/s on top whilst the other gently flattens the print
If you need to back roll the print then you need to use the tube as a roller on a large flat surface (table). The tube should have a diameter of about 10 cm or more. Less could damage the print with a dent if your not careful.
NOTE!!!! you must attach a wide sheet of paper to the length of the roll to act as a gripper to the print. If you do not you will dent the print.
Wedge the print in between the roll and the attached paper so that when you roll the tube across the table the print is wound against the curl.
Tightly roll the print along your flat surface; the attached paper will wrap the print around the tube for you. Leave it wrapped for about 1 - 2 hours unwind and the print will be flat.
Quentin If you want more print care advice contact me quentin@harwoodking.com
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curiousgeorge
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How to get your prints flat?, by curiousgeorge on Nov 21, 2007 20:14:14 GMT 1, By back rolling do you mean rolling the print back up image side facing outwards?
I personally favour leaving the paper to do it's own thing for a week, in a clean out of reach place.If i were really anal i would fashion a cover out of copper pipe and very fine net curtain
By back rolling do you mean rolling the print back up image side facing outwards?
I personally favour leaving the paper to do it's own thing for a week, in a clean out of reach place.If i were really anal i would fashion a cover out of copper pipe and very fine net curtain
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How to get your prints flat?, by buster on Nov 21, 2007 20:58:04 GMT 1, This can be a problem if the print has been shipped to you tightly rolled and has been left for a long time in the tube. The result of this is that the print will be difficult to flatten without creasing it, but with care it can be done. Take the print out of the tube if it remains tightly rolled free of the tube then you may need to back roll it. If it springs open and just remains curled then it has not been in the tube too long and you may simply place it on a flat surface curl up, and introduce a large weighty book on top of it, being careful not to dent the surface of the print. If the print is large you may need two or more books to anchor down each end of the print. Leaving the book/s on the print overnight should flatten the print. This operation is easier with two people as one can place the book/s on top whilst the other gently flattens the print If you need to back roll the print then you need to use the tube as a roller on a large flat surface (table). The tube should have a diameter of about 10 cm or more. Less could damage the print with a dent if your not careful. NOTE!!!! you must attach a wide sheet of paper to the length of the roll to act as a gripper to the print. If you do not you will dent the print. Wedge the print in between the roll and the attached paper so that when you roll the tube across the table the print is wound against the curl. Tightly roll the print along your flat surface; the attached paper will wrap the print around the tube for you. Leave it wrapped for about 1 - 2 hours unwind and the print will be flat. Quentin If you want more print care advice contact me quentin@harwoodking.com I have always been taught that backrolling older prints that have been in tubes for a while and are heavily pigmented ( grin, HMV, pulp etc..) is terrible. These prints will crack and fold very easily. Its also terrible for the fibres in the paper. The easiest way to wreck a good print. As a professional do you really use this method? is it wise to advise folk to try this with out propper training?
This can be a problem if the print has been shipped to you tightly rolled and has been left for a long time in the tube. The result of this is that the print will be difficult to flatten without creasing it, but with care it can be done. Take the print out of the tube if it remains tightly rolled free of the tube then you may need to back roll it. If it springs open and just remains curled then it has not been in the tube too long and you may simply place it on a flat surface curl up, and introduce a large weighty book on top of it, being careful not to dent the surface of the print. If the print is large you may need two or more books to anchor down each end of the print. Leaving the book/s on the print overnight should flatten the print. This operation is easier with two people as one can place the book/s on top whilst the other gently flattens the print If you need to back roll the print then you need to use the tube as a roller on a large flat surface (table). The tube should have a diameter of about 10 cm or more. Less could damage the print with a dent if your not careful. NOTE!!!! you must attach a wide sheet of paper to the length of the roll to act as a gripper to the print. If you do not you will dent the print. Wedge the print in between the roll and the attached paper so that when you roll the tube across the table the print is wound against the curl. Tightly roll the print along your flat surface; the attached paper will wrap the print around the tube for you. Leave it wrapped for about 1 - 2 hours unwind and the print will be flat. Quentin If you want more print care advice contact me quentin@harwoodking.com I have always been taught that backrolling older prints that have been in tubes for a while and are heavily pigmented ( grin, HMV, pulp etc..) is terrible. These prints will crack and fold very easily. Its also terrible for the fibres in the paper. The easiest way to wreck a good print. As a professional do you really use this method? is it wise to advise folk to try this with out propper training?
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curiousgeorge
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March 2007
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How to get your prints flat?, by curiousgeorge on Nov 21, 2007 21:19:59 GMT 1, Looks like we think alike buster, common sense tells me to backroll nothing, regardless of its age
Looks like we think alike buster, common sense tells me to backroll nothing, regardless of its age
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How to get your prints flat?, by buster on Nov 21, 2007 21:44:54 GMT 1, Looks like we think alike buster, common sense tells me to backroll nothing, regardless of its age Bingo ;D
Looks like we think alike buster, common sense tells me to backroll nothing, regardless of its age Bingo ;D
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