nickyjgordon
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I'm new...whats meant by provenance?, by nickyjgordon on Nov 17, 2007 23:22:59 GMT 1, Hi all, i'm new to the board but i expect i'll be around quite a lot!
I have a piece by Chiho Aoshima i wish to sell. Had a look around and notice a lot of people say when selling 'i have the provenance'. What is meant by this? The receipt? I bought it at an exhibition, still have the receipt. Does it really matter?!
I'm Nick, if you hadnt guessed!
Hi all, i'm new to the board but i expect i'll be around quite a lot!
I have a piece by Chiho Aoshima i wish to sell. Had a look around and notice a lot of people say when selling 'i have the provenance'. What is meant by this? The receipt? I bought it at an exhibition, still have the receipt. Does it really matter?!
I'm Nick, if you hadnt guessed!
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I'm new...whats meant by provenance?, by manchestermike on Nov 17, 2007 23:24:58 GMT 1, It matters a lot to some people, less to others... but it is important
It's basically the paper trail back to source... so the receipt in your case
It matters a lot to some people, less to others... but it is important
It's basically the paper trail back to source... so the receipt in your case
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Cocteau 101
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I'm new...whats meant by provenance?, by Cocteau 101 on Nov 17, 2007 23:27:53 GMT 1, Audit trail my friend - one of the most important things in life - it's the genetics of the artworld - without it you are a few chromosomes short of a full print.
Audit trail my friend - one of the most important things in life - it's the genetics of the artworld - without it you are a few chromosomes short of a full print.
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stuey09
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I'm new...whats meant by provenance?, by stuey09 on Nov 17, 2007 23:29:17 GMT 1, What Mike said, and welcome to the forum Nick 
What Mike said, and welcome to the forum Nick |
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guest2
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I'm new...whats meant by provenance?, by guest2 on Nov 17, 2007 23:36:58 GMT 1, ... without it you are a few chromosomes short of a full print.
I always though the proper terminology was 'a few chips short of a happy meal', or is that cos I'm very posh and you're common.
... without it you are a few chromosomes short of a full print. I always though the proper terminology was 'a few chips short of a happy meal', or is that cos I'm very posh and you're common. |
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Cocteau 101
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I'm new...whats meant by provenance?, by Cocteau 101 on Nov 17, 2007 23:49:11 GMT 1, ... without it you are a few chromosomes short of a full print. I always though the proper terminology was 'a few chips short of a happy meal', or is that cos I'm very posh and you're common.
To the common man - cash is king ;D And anyway I'm not common I've just had steak pie, chips and beans for my tea ;D
... without it you are a few chromosomes short of a full print. I always though the proper terminology was 'a few chips short of a happy meal', or is that cos I'm very posh and you're common. To the common man - cash is king ;D And anyway I'm not common I've just had steak pie, chips and beans for my tea ;D |
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guest2
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I'm new...whats meant by provenance?, by guest2 on Nov 17, 2007 23:53:42 GMT 1, I always though the proper terminology was 'a few chips short of a happy meal', or is that cos I'm very posh and you're common. To the common man - cash is king ;D And anyway I'm not common I've just had steak pie, chips and beans for my tea ;D
Oh...well I had Steak and ale pie with cheddar mash ...thank god for Marks and Spencers!
I always though the proper terminology was 'a few chips short of a happy meal', or is that cos I'm very posh and you're common. To the common man - cash is king ;D And anyway I'm not common I've just had steak pie, chips and beans for my tea ;D Oh...well I had Steak and ale pie with cheddar mash ...thank god for Marks and Spencers! |
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Cocteau 101
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I'm new...whats meant by provenance?, by Cocteau 101 on Nov 17, 2007 23:57:58 GMT 1, To the common man - cash is king ;D And anyway I'm not common I've just had steak pie, chips and beans for my tea ;D Oh...well I had Steak and ale pie with cheddar mash ...thank god for Marks and Spencers!
Cheddar mash - you dirty bastard ;D
To the common man - cash is king ;D And anyway I'm not common I've just had steak pie, chips and beans for my tea ;D Oh...well I had Steak and ale pie with cheddar mash ...thank god for Marks and Spencers! Cheddar mash - you dirty bastard ;D |
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I'm new...whats meant by provenance?, by arcam on Nov 17, 2007 23:59:57 GMT 1, It matters a lot to some people, less to others... but it is important It's basically the paper trail back to source... so the receipt in your case
So when you sell a piece all you do is give them a copy? Nothing else?
It matters a lot to some people, less to others... but it is important It's basically the paper trail back to source... so the receipt in your case So when you sell a piece all you do is give them a copy? Nothing else? |
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I'm new...whats meant by provenance?, by a4mnt on Nov 18, 2007 0:03:36 GMT 1, if you sell a piece, just give them the receipt. what do you need it for?
that cheddar mash MUST have onion in it, be it spring, red, white or chalots.
but not leek, even though they are from the same family
if you sell a piece, just give them the receipt. what do you need it for? that cheddar mash MUST have onion in it, be it spring, red, white or chalots. but not leek, even though they are from the same family |
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I'm new...whats meant by provenance?, by manchestermike on Nov 18, 2007 0:08:09 GMT 1, It matters a lot to some people, less to others... but it is important It's basically the paper trail back to source... so the receipt in your case So when you sell a piece all you do is give them a copy? Nothing else?
It depends, on this piece that's what he has so that's fine. On a signed expensive Banksy I'd ask/send a letter of transference of ownership, I'd also keep related emails etc
It matters a lot to some people, less to others... but it is important It's basically the paper trail back to source... so the receipt in your case So when you sell a piece all you do is give them a copy? Nothing else? It depends, on this piece that's what he has so that's fine. On a signed expensive Banksy I'd ask/send a letter of transference of ownership, I'd also keep related emails etc |
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kronoopus
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October 2006
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I'm new...whats meant by provenance?, by kronoopus on Nov 18, 2007 0:10:03 GMT 1, Oh...well I had Steak and ale pie with cheddar mash ...thank god for Marks and Spencers! Cheddar mash - you dirty bastard ;D
ok ok ok.....Some clarification for us across the pond. I lost you after the Happy Meal reference. BTW, we say a few fries short of a Happy Meal. Anyone care to elaborate?
Thanks! ;D
Oh...well I had Steak and ale pie with cheddar mash ...thank god for Marks and Spencers! Cheddar mash - you dirty bastard ;D ok ok ok.....Some clarification for us across the pond. I lost you after the Happy Meal reference. BTW, we say a few fries short of a Happy Meal. Anyone care to elaborate? Thanks! ;D |
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guest2
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I'm new...whats meant by provenance?, by guest2 on Nov 18, 2007 0:11:49 GMT 1, Cheddar mash - you dirty bastard ;D ok ok ok.....Some clarification for us across the pond. I lost you after the Happy Meal reference. BTW, we say a few fries short of a Happy Meal. Anyone care to elaborate? Thanks! ;D
You say To-May-Lo, I say Too-Mar-Toe ;D
Cheddar mash - you dirty bastard ;D ok ok ok.....Some clarification for us across the pond. I lost you after the Happy Meal reference. BTW, we say a few fries short of a Happy Meal. Anyone care to elaborate? Thanks! ;D You say To-May-Lo, I say Too-Mar-Toe ;D |
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I'm new...whats meant by provenance?, by a4mnt on Nov 18, 2007 0:14:46 GMT 1, Frankie went to Eton
Frankie went to Eton
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kronoopus
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I'm new...whats meant by provenance?, by kronoopus on Nov 18, 2007 0:25:24 GMT 1, ok ok ok.....Some clarification for us across the pond. I lost you after the Happy Meal reference. BTW, we say a few fries short of a Happy Meal. Anyone care to elaborate? Thanks! ;D You say To-May-Lo, I say Too-Mar-Toe ;D
I knew it. It is some kind of club you gotta be born into.
ok ok ok.....Some clarification for us across the pond. I lost you after the Happy Meal reference. BTW, we say a few fries short of a Happy Meal. Anyone care to elaborate? Thanks! ;D You say To-May-Lo, I say Too-Mar-Toe ;D I knew it. It is some kind of club you gotta be born into. |
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I'm new...whats meant by provenance?, by a4mnt on Nov 18, 2007 0:59:22 GMT 1, So, Nick, I hope that has answered your question. And given you a nice recipe for cheese and onion mash to boot.
So, Nick, I hope that has answered your question. And given you a nice recipe for cheese and onion mash to boot.
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Photoxtc
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I'm new...whats meant by provenance?, by Photoxtc on Nov 18, 2007 4:13:18 GMT 1, I have some very fine and rare items that were shipped to me without provenance, it doesn't really matter to me as long and the signature is spot on, so far so good... but if I was spending 10k plus on something you bet your ass I would want some kind of paper trail... 
And Frankie... I'm diggin your new avatar!! ;D
I have some very fine and rare items that were shipped to me without provenance, it doesn't really matter to me as long and the signature is spot on, so far so good... but if I was spending 10k plus on something you bet your ass I would want some kind of paper trail... And Frankie... I'm diggin your new avatar!! ;D |
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I'm new...whats meant by provenance?, by darjeeling on Nov 18, 2007 5:07:22 GMT 1, Provenance can be a receipt, history of ownership, original bill of sale or invoice, documentation and or proof of the piece in situ. etc.
People here are pretty nuts for provenance, and it's definitely ideal, but honestly I think it's more important when you're talking about an original piece of artwork-not a print. (Except if the rint or atist is known to have been bootlegged) And even then, if you don't have the best provenance it's not the end of the world if the piece would pass inspection by a bonafide expert.
Provenance can be a receipt, history of ownership, original bill of sale or invoice, documentation and or proof of the piece in situ. etc.
People here are pretty nuts for provenance, and it's definitely ideal, but honestly I think it's more important when you're talking about an original piece of artwork-not a print. (Except if the rint or atist is known to have been bootlegged) And even then, if you don't have the best provenance it's not the end of the world if the piece would pass inspection by a bonafide expert.
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nickyjgordon
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I'm new...whats meant by provenance?, by nickyjgordon on Nov 18, 2007 20:05:15 GMT 1, thanks all, thats cleared it
i'm off for cheddar mash!
thanks all, thats cleared it
i'm off for cheddar mash!
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