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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by EHC on Nov 16, 2007 20:08:31 GMT 1, Anyone know what to do if a painting is starting to chip off already? A big part of the problem is that there are two large strips of packing tape on the cardboard that it was painted on. The smooth plastic tape's surface is where the paint is starting to fall apart already but even on the cardboard it looks like its happening.
Any ideas of what can be done or if its possible to prevent any more paint from chipping off?
Thanks in advance.
Anyone know what to do if a painting is starting to chip off already? A big part of the problem is that there are two large strips of packing tape on the cardboard that it was painted on. The smooth plastic tape's surface is where the paint is starting to fall apart already but even on the cardboard it looks like its happening.
Any ideas of what can be done or if its possible to prevent any more paint from chipping off?
Thanks in advance.
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Harveyn
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by Harveyn on Nov 16, 2007 20:15:38 GMT 1, Can I suggest posting some pictures so we can get a better idea of the problem.
Can I suggest posting some pictures so we can get a better idea of the problem.
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by EHC on Nov 16, 2007 20:29:43 GMT 1, Can I suggest posting some pictures so we can get a better idea of the problem.
whoops, forgot about that. the shiny reflection is because its still in a plastic sleeve.
Can I suggest posting some pictures so we can get a better idea of the problem. whoops, forgot about that. the shiny reflection is because its still in a plastic sleeve. |
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by andrewd on Nov 16, 2007 20:36:58 GMT 1, Umm, there are likely to a lot of posts along these lines over the next few years. Traditionally oil on primed canvas has allowed work to last for hundreds of years, there alre also examples of iconic works on wood lasting six or seven hundred years.
Conservation problems were encountered by the pop artists who started using acryllic and emulsion which do not have the same longevity of oil paints. The problems will be exacerbated with our generation of artist using spray/emulsion on card/tape/metal etc.
Try not to move the painting, make sure it's not in too cold/warm a room and try to find a local art conservationist/picture restorer.
As Herveyn says post a few pics and hopefully someone will come up with a solution.
Umm, there are likely to a lot of posts along these lines over the next few years. Traditionally oil on primed canvas has allowed work to last for hundreds of years, there alre also examples of iconic works on wood lasting six or seven hundred years.
Conservation problems were encountered by the pop artists who started using acryllic and emulsion which do not have the same longevity of oil paints. The problems will be exacerbated with our generation of artist using spray/emulsion on card/tape/metal etc.
Try not to move the painting, make sure it's not in too cold/warm a room and try to find a local art conservationist/picture restorer.
As Herveyn says post a few pics and hopefully someone will come up with a solution.
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by finsburyparkranger on Nov 16, 2007 20:37:35 GMT 1, Get in touch with the artist if you can. They can often be quite accommodating about these matters. Always worth a go anyway.
Get in touch with the artist if you can. They can often be quite accommodating about these matters. Always worth a go anyway.
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andrewd
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by andrewd on Nov 16, 2007 20:37:54 GMT 1, wow you type fast! Is that the Adam Neate piece?
wow you type fast! Is that the Adam Neate piece?
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by savilerogue on Nov 16, 2007 20:40:17 GMT 1, Leave it alone. There can be beauty in decay.
Leave it alone. There can be beauty in decay.
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by Wiseblood on Nov 16, 2007 20:43:08 GMT 1, my eine vadals on concrete has started to chip, as it was the first one he did and wasnt willing to sell till i begged him, he hadnt done trials with he concrete mix, so wasnt 100% right like his other ones, i contacted him and he is painting me a new one with full million year garuntee concrete for free  A+ customer service from him
my eine vadals on concrete has started to chip, as it was the first one he did and wasnt willing to sell till i begged him, he hadnt done trials with he concrete mix, so wasnt 100% right like his other ones, i contacted him and he is painting me a new one with full million year garuntee concrete for free A+ customer service from him |
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by ricosg11 on Nov 16, 2007 20:46:33 GMT 1, Leave it alone. There can be beauty in decay.
indeed my friend.
Leave it alone. There can be beauty in decay. indeed my friend. |
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by EHC on Nov 16, 2007 20:56:54 GMT 1, wow you type fast! Is that the Adam Neate piece?
yup. gutted to find that its falling apart
There is beauty in decay in some cases but definitely not this one. Plus its not really "decay". The paint would uniformly fall off of 2 strips of tape so that there will be 2 large strips of paint missing.
wow you type fast! Is that the Adam Neate piece? yup. gutted to find that its falling apart There is beauty in decay in some cases but definitely not this one. Plus its not really "decay". The paint would uniformly fall off of 2 strips of tape so that there will be 2 large strips of paint missing. |
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by Harveyn on Nov 16, 2007 20:58:15 GMT 1, Wow you must have only picked that Neate up.
Is the paint only coming away from were there is tape?
It may just be best to leave it to age naturally. I do not think restoration will help.
Wow you must have only picked that Neate up.
Is the paint only coming away from were there is tape?
It may just be best to leave it to age naturally. I do not think restoration will help.
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by manchestermike on Nov 16, 2007 21:05:02 GMT 1, It's the beauty/issue of street pieces...
Nothing lasts forever (in the cold November rain)
It's the beauty/issue of street pieces...
Nothing lasts forever (in the cold November rain)
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by snakes on Nov 16, 2007 21:07:10 GMT 1, should have sugar soaped it b4 painting!
should have sugar soaped it b4 painting!
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andrewd
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by andrewd on Nov 16, 2007 21:08:54 GMT 1, my eine vadals on concrete has started to chip, as it was the first one he did and wasnt willing to sell till i begged him, he hadnt done trials with he concrete mix, so wasnt 100% right like his other ones, i contacted him and he is painting me a new one with full million year garuntee concrete for free A+ customer service from him
Wow, so you'll be the proud owner of two Vandals, cool! 
I really don't understand why more people haven't snapped up Ben's work, IMO it's a bargain, the usual reaction is , 'Oh, I don't get it.' Well for those who don't, why not google Christopher Wool who also paints letter canvases. His work goes for hundreds of thousands and Ben's work beats it hands down.
my eine vadals on concrete has started to chip, as it was the first one he did and wasnt willing to sell till i begged him, he hadnt done trials with he concrete mix, so wasnt 100% right like his other ones, i contacted him and he is painting me a new one with full million year garuntee concrete for free A+ customer service from him Wow, so you'll be the proud owner of two Vandals, cool! I really don't understand why more people haven't snapped up Ben's work, IMO it's a bargain, the usual reaction is , 'Oh, I don't get it.' Well for those who don't, why not google Christopher Wool who also paints letter canvases. His work goes for hundreds of thousands and Ben's work beats it hands down. |
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by ABC on Nov 16, 2007 21:38:54 GMT 1, Umm, there are likely to a lot of posts along these lines over the next few years. Traditionally oil on primed canvas has allowed work to last for hundreds of years, there alre also examples of iconic works on wood lasting six or seven hundred years. Conservation problems were encountered by the pop artists who started using acryllic and emulsion which do not have the same longevity of oil paints. The problems will be exacerbated with our generation of artist using spray/emulsion on card/tape/metal etc. Try not to move the painting, make sure it's not in too cold/warm a room and try to find a local art conservationist/picture restorer. As Herveyn says post a few pics and hopefully someone will come up with a solution.
I had this chat with Matt Small today, I was asking about his works on concrete and what are the chances of them falling apart in a few years time. The problem with the likes of Neates street pieces for instance are the fact that he mainly uses Children's poster paints which will not last to long as the paint is very cheap, even Acrylics made by the best companies are not great. If you want to make sure a work is here to stay then It can only be Oil on canvas, sadly most use Acrylics nowadays due to the drying times of the paints.
Umm, there are likely to a lot of posts along these lines over the next few years. Traditionally oil on primed canvas has allowed work to last for hundreds of years, there alre also examples of iconic works on wood lasting six or seven hundred years. Conservation problems were encountered by the pop artists who started using acryllic and emulsion which do not have the same longevity of oil paints. The problems will be exacerbated with our generation of artist using spray/emulsion on card/tape/metal etc. Try not to move the painting, make sure it's not in too cold/warm a room and try to find a local art conservationist/picture restorer. As Herveyn says post a few pics and hopefully someone will come up with a solution. I had this chat with Matt Small today, I was asking about his works on concrete and what are the chances of them falling apart in a few years time. The problem with the likes of Neates street pieces for instance are the fact that he mainly uses Children's poster paints which will not last to long as the paint is very cheap, even Acrylics made by the best companies are not great. If you want to make sure a work is here to stay then It can only be Oil on canvas, sadly most use Acrylics nowadays due to the drying times of the paints. |
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by numusic on Nov 16, 2007 21:39:36 GMT 1, wow you type fast! Is that the Adam Neate piece? yup. gutted to find that its falling apart There is beauty in decay in some cases but definitely not this one. Plus its not really "decay". The paint would uniformly fall off of 2 strips of tape so that there will be 2 large strips of paint missing.
is it a street piece ?.. if so.. I guess it's par for the course.. street work by it's nature is ephemeral. It ain't designed to last. Sad but true..
looks like it needs a professional hand, no way to fix what's lost, but perhaps it can be coated with something to preserve it.
wow you type fast! Is that the Adam Neate piece? yup. gutted to find that its falling apart There is beauty in decay in some cases but definitely not this one. Plus its not really "decay". The paint would uniformly fall off of 2 strips of tape so that there will be 2 large strips of paint missing. is it a street piece ?.. if so.. I guess it's par for the course.. street work by it's nature is ephemeral. It ain't designed to last. Sad but true.. looks like it needs a professional hand, no way to fix what's lost, but perhaps it can be coated with something to preserve it. |
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by ABC on Nov 16, 2007 21:40:22 GMT 1, Leave it alone. There can be beauty in decay.
I agree, if its a street art work then it can only add to the effect.
Leave it alone. There can be beauty in decay. I agree, if its a street art work then it can only add to the effect. |
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by Jef Aerosol on Nov 17, 2007 0:53:12 GMT 1, if it's a street piece, just leave it this way. If it's an original, nothing can be done except asking the artist to restore it or do another one. This happened to me twice and I immediately replaced the pieces with other ones. It didn't happen on cardboard but on pieces on canvas : the black sprayed paint crakled. I didn't even try to restore : I threw away and painted new similar pieces !
if it's a street piece, just leave it this way. If it's an original, nothing can be done except asking the artist to restore it or do another one. This happened to me twice and I immediately replaced the pieces with other ones. It didn't happen on cardboard but on pieces on canvas : the black sprayed paint crakled. I didn't even try to restore : I threw away and painted new similar pieces !
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by GD303uk on Nov 17, 2007 1:40:48 GMT 1, i would get it framed and enjoy it, the stiff backboard will help prevent further pieces breaking of ,and you get to enjoy you pic' and it ages with you.
could be your Dorian Gray, it gets old and you stay young and beautifull.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Picture_of_Dorian_Gray
i would get it framed and enjoy it, the stiff backboard will help prevent further pieces breaking of ,and you get to enjoy you pic' and it ages with you. could be your Dorian Gray, it gets old and you stay young and beautifull. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Picture_of_Dorian_Gray |
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by EHC on Nov 17, 2007 5:34:33 GMT 1, emailed adam and he told me sprays fixative on his gallery pieces so i'll prob do the same then frame it. anyone have any suggestions for a good fixative?
emailed adam and he told me sprays fixative on his gallery pieces so i'll prob do the same then frame it. anyone have any suggestions for a good fixative?
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Help! Painting is falling apart!, by Wiseblood on Nov 18, 2007 13:45:22 GMT 1, my eine vadals on concrete has started to chip, as it was the first one he did and wasnt willing to sell till i begged him, he hadnt done trials with he concrete mix, so wasnt 100% right like his other ones, i contacted him and he is painting me a new one with full million year garuntee concrete for free A+ customer service from him Wow, so you'll be the proud owner of two Vandals, cool! I really don't understand why more people haven't snapped up Ben's work, IMO it's a bargain, the usual reaction is , 'Oh, I don't get it.' Well for those who don't, why not google Christopher Wool who also paints letter canvases. His work goes for hundreds of thousands and Ben's work beats it hands down.
wish mate, have to send one back to him 
my eine vadals on concrete has started to chip, as it was the first one he did and wasnt willing to sell till i begged him, he hadnt done trials with he concrete mix, so wasnt 100% right like his other ones, i contacted him and he is painting me a new one with full million year garuntee concrete for free A+ customer service from him Wow, so you'll be the proud owner of two Vandals, cool! I really don't understand why more people haven't snapped up Ben's work, IMO it's a bargain, the usual reaction is , 'Oh, I don't get it.' Well for those who don't, why not google Christopher Wool who also paints letter canvases. His work goes for hundreds of thousands and Ben's work beats it hands down. wish mate, have to send one back to him |
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A+ customer service from him 
