stereoface
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Onsales/True Fans, by stereoface on Oct 31, 2007 14:47:42 GMT 1, In the last couple of days two events (the Trolleys release and the Ian Francis Blk Market sale) got me thinking: (1) what is the best way to release a print and (2) how do you define a true fan?
The Banksy Trolleys was the first 'fine art' type print I have attempted to purchase. For years I have been collecting gigposters and prints like those. Thus, I am not sure if these are typical of releases for prints that would generally be considered more 'fine art'. So, what did everyone think about the releases? Were they fair and did they go smooth? What do you think the ideal release would be (would you want a pure lottery)? Also, what is the best release you have experienced?
The second question kind of arises out of the first. I saw alot of people who were upset about not getting a print complaining about flippers or people whose first post related to getting the Trolleys print. The general consensus seemed to be that the POW release was not fair to all the โreal fans who had been F5ing for months โฆ.โ So, what is a true fan? I mean if someone got a print who had posted 100 times is that ok whereas a person who has posted 50 times is less deserving? Should a person who is going to frame it right away be given priority over someone who is just going to put it in storage? I guess I just saw all the complaints about โreal fansโ getting snubbed but I want to know who qualifies as โdeservingโ.
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In the last couple of days two events (the Trolleys release and the Ian Francis Blk Market sale) got me thinking: (1) what is the best way to release a print and (2) how do you define a true fan?
The Banksy Trolleys was the first 'fine art' type print I have attempted to purchase. For years I have been collecting gigposters and prints like those. Thus, I am not sure if these are typical of releases for prints that would generally be considered more 'fine art'. So, what did everyone think about the releases? Were they fair and did they go smooth? What do you think the ideal release would be (would you want a pure lottery)? Also, what is the best release you have experienced?
The second question kind of arises out of the first. I saw alot of people who were upset about not getting a print complaining about flippers or people whose first post related to getting the Trolleys print. The general consensus seemed to be that the POW release was not fair to all the โreal fans who had been F5ing for months โฆ.โ So, what is a true fan? I mean if someone got a print who had posted 100 times is that ok whereas a person who has posted 50 times is less deserving? Should a person who is going to frame it right away be given priority over someone who is just going to put it in storage? I guess I just saw all the complaints about โreal fansโ getting snubbed but I want to know who qualifies as โdeservingโ.
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Onsales/True Fans, by absyrd on Oct 31, 2007 14:53:00 GMT 1, You can't define a "real" fan. However, you can feel free to whine and moan at any given time about the subject. Thus is the mystique, beauty, and ugliness that goes with hiding behind thousands of miles of wire.
The most smooth release I've ever dealt with were any pre-2007.
You can't define a "real" fan. However, you can feel free to whine and moan at any given time about the subject. Thus is the mystique, beauty, and ugliness that goes with hiding behind thousands of miles of wire.
The most smooth release I've ever dealt with were any pre-2007.
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stereoface
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Onsales/True Fans, by stereoface on Oct 31, 2007 15:12:18 GMT 1, Yea, I will agree that 2007 has been a little out of control with the releases. I had alot of trouble with Shep Fairey earlier this year. The POW I thought went v smooth with the exception of the PROTX. But, at least POW stepped up and tried to cure the problem in the most fair way possible.
Yea, I will agree that 2007 has been a little out of control with the releases. I had alot of trouble with Shep Fairey earlier this year. The POW I thought went v smooth with the exception of the PROTX. But, at least POW stepped up and tried to cure the problem in the most fair way possible.
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Onsales/True Fans, by robertlondon on Oct 31, 2007 15:28:25 GMT 1, I think youโve just brought up the two most contentious points on these forums - namely the difference between fans and flippers and the perfect way to release a print.
Regarding the fans/flippers/investors debate, Iโd like to see a poll on here whereby everyone votes as to when they consider it acceptable to sell a print theyโve just boughtโฆ is it simply the time delay between purchase and resale (within a week/ a month/ within 3 months etc) or does the mark-up play any part in defining a โflipperโ?
Are flippers no worse than galleries?
Are flippers good or bad for fans?
Itโs a huge subject and Iโd love to see it explored here in the form of pollsโฆ
I think youโve just brought up the two most contentious points on these forums - namely the difference between fans and flippers and the perfect way to release a print.
Regarding the fans/flippers/investors debate, Iโd like to see a poll on here whereby everyone votes as to when they consider it acceptable to sell a print theyโve just boughtโฆ is it simply the time delay between purchase and resale (within a week/ a month/ within 3 months etc) or does the mark-up play any part in defining a โflipperโ?
Are flippers no worse than galleries?
Are flippers good or bad for fans?
Itโs a huge subject and Iโd love to see it explored here in the form of pollsโฆ
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Onsales/True Fans, by yeah7 on Oct 31, 2007 15:33:15 GMT 1, You can't define a "real" fan. However, you can feel free to whine and moan at any given time about the subject. Thus is the mystique, beauty, and ugliness that goes with hiding behind thousands of miles of wire.
I think thats pretty much hit the nail on the head. Alot of people are going to be making loud noises around the release of a Banksy, I personally don't think you can define a real fan, but alot of people obviously do and have to fall under certain guidlines to qualify.
I think there is a bit of snobbery around to those who have come to the Banksy "party" late (within the last year) like myself. It sounds like we are taking away the spoils, they found Banksy first and lay claim to him.
I fell inlove with Banksy by stubling upon his work via the media and his publicity stunts, the same stunts that everyone thinks he's a genius for - everyone thinks it's great he's on the front on major newspapers today, but on the next release of a print people will be moaning they cannot get a print due to high demand, a direct result in his exposure.
I'm no art connoisseur, so feel out of my depth to comment on the vast majority of stuff that expand beyond Banksy on this forum, but does this mean I fall into the group that means I'm not a "real fan"? Quite clearly, to alot of people who've made comments on the numerous topics on the Trolleys relase, it does.
You can't define a "real" fan. However, you can feel free to whine and moan at any given time about the subject. Thus is the mystique, beauty, and ugliness that goes with hiding behind thousands of miles of wire. I think thats pretty much hit the nail on the head. Alot of people are going to be making loud noises around the release of a Banksy, I personally don't think you can define a real fan, but alot of people obviously do and have to fall under certain guidlines to qualify. I think there is a bit of snobbery around to those who have come to the Banksy "party" late (within the last year) like myself. It sounds like we are taking away the spoils, they found Banksy first and lay claim to him. I fell inlove with Banksy by stubling upon his work via the media and his publicity stunts, the same stunts that everyone thinks he's a genius for - everyone thinks it's great he's on the front on major newspapers today, but on the next release of a print people will be moaning they cannot get a print due to high demand, a direct result in his exposure. I'm no art connoisseur, so feel out of my depth to comment on the vast majority of stuff that expand beyond Banksy on this forum, but does this mean I fall into the group that means I'm not a "real fan"? Quite clearly, to alot of people who've made comments on the numerous topics on the Trolleys relase, it does. |
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Onsales/True Fans, by stereoface on Oct 31, 2007 15:42:02 GMT 1, This is kind of a feeling I have gotten from alot of people. Not all. But some. I think that is the reason that alot of people dont post or hold back posting or officially signing up ... because there is almost a latent hostility.
I am the first person to admit that I only discovered Banksy about a year ago through the gigposters and expressobeans sites. Just as I discovered Banksy through those I have discovered some great stuff on here (Ian Francis, whom i first saw last night, its killer). I guess I would rather be late to the party than miss out on it all together.
This is kind of a feeling I have gotten from alot of people. Not all. But some. I think that is the reason that alot of people dont post or hold back posting or officially signing up ... because there is almost a latent hostility.
I am the first person to admit that I only discovered Banksy about a year ago through the gigposters and expressobeans sites. Just as I discovered Banksy through those I have discovered some great stuff on here (Ian Francis, whom i first saw last night, its killer). I guess I would rather be late to the party than miss out on it all together.
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Onsales/True Fans, by loucastel on Oct 31, 2007 17:15:36 GMT 1, it's funny but if you look at the people who have posted on this thread are like me, relative newcomers , I have spent quite a lot of time reading the other threads and am amazed at some of the hostility to what are called flippers and people who these so called "real" fans consider to have signed on here purely to take advantage of a rising market ,trouble is it seems all newcomers here are tarred with the same brush, to me I dont give a damn what other people do with their prints once they have got them, the "im a fan" bit smacks of chasing after the bay city rollers, I'm not a fan I just admire banksy's work. and will continue to buy it.
it's funny but if you look at the people who have posted on this thread are like me, relative newcomers , I have spent quite a lot of time reading the other threads and am amazed at some of the hostility to what are called flippers and people who these so called "real" fans consider to have signed on here purely to take advantage of a rising market ,trouble is it seems all newcomers here are tarred with the same brush, to me I dont give a damn what other people do with their prints once they have got them, the "im a fan" bit smacks of chasing after the bay city rollers, I'm not a fan I just admire banksy's work. and will continue to buy it.
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Onsales/True Fans, by carlito on Oct 31, 2007 17:21:35 GMT 1, when did Banksy become fine art?
when did Banksy become fine art?
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Onsales/True Fans, by stuey09 on Oct 31, 2007 17:23:53 GMT 1, it's funny but if you look at the people who have posted on this thread are like me, relative newcomers , I have spent quite a lot of time reading the other threads and am amazed at some of the hostility to what are called flippers and people who these so called "real" fans consider to have signed on here purely to take advantage of a rising market ,trouble is it seems all newcomers here are tarred with the same brush, to me I dont give a damn what other people do with their prints once they have got them, the "im a fan" bit smacks of chasing after the bay city rollers, I'm not a fan I just admire banksy's work. and will continue to buy it.
You're right, some of the hostility is unfair and I don't think newcomers should be tarred with the same brush. Liking Banksy's work doesn't have to be an exclusive hobby, afterall. However, it is frustrating when you can't get a reasonably priced print from PoW because someone has bought it with the sole purpose of selling it on at 4 - 5 times the retail cost. You can understand the frustration.
it's funny but if you look at the people who have posted on this thread are like me, relative newcomers , I have spent quite a lot of time reading the other threads and am amazed at some of the hostility to what are called flippers and people who these so called "real" fans consider to have signed on here purely to take advantage of a rising market ,trouble is it seems all newcomers here are tarred with the same brush, to me I dont give a damn what other people do with their prints once they have got them, the "im a fan" bit smacks of chasing after the bay city rollers, I'm not a fan I just admire banksy's work. and will continue to buy it. You're right, some of the hostility is unfair and I don't think newcomers should be tarred with the same brush. Liking Banksy's work doesn't have to be an exclusive hobby, afterall. However, it is frustrating when you can't get a reasonably priced print from PoW because someone has bought it with the sole purpose of selling it on at 4 - 5 times the retail cost. You can understand the frustration. |
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Onsales/True Fans, by leumasdarnley on Oct 31, 2007 17:24:07 GMT 1, when did Banksy become fine art?
Ever since you could turn a 2000 profit on his prints and a fortune at the auction ;D
when did Banksy become fine art? Ever since you could turn a 2000 profit on his prints and a fortune at the auction ;D |
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Onsales/True Fans, by carlito on Oct 31, 2007 17:35:23 GMT 1, when did Banksy become fine art? Ever since you could turn a 2000 profit on his prints and a fortune at the auction ;D
or perhaps a big v's to the art establishment at what a supposed vandal can achieve 
on the main thrust of this thread don't sweat it - hostility abounds at print release time - ppl r pissed off when they don't get something .... stick around make a contribution and all will be cool
when did Banksy become fine art? Ever since you could turn a 2000 profit on his prints and a fortune at the auction ;D or perhaps a big v's to the art establishment at what a supposed vandal can achieve on the main thrust of this thread don't sweat it - hostility abounds at print release time - ppl r pissed off when they don't get something .... stick around make a contribution and all will be cool |
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Onsales/True Fans, by loucastel on Oct 31, 2007 17:35:50 GMT 1, I can understand the frustration, in having to pay over the odds, I would like to buy a grin reaper they were issued for ยฃ400, one on e-bay is on for ยฃ5500 the guy selling it has had it from new, so is he a flipper? I dont think so, just the way the market is ,but if you take a look at a lot of artists in the contempary market, they rise fast then level, a lot also come down with a big bump, this must be very difficult for the man himself as all this bitching must make him think ,whats going on? Is banksy now a business man or still an artist? as a lot of artists end up selling their souls to publishers, I would love to know what he thinks, some hope eh?
I can understand the frustration, in having to pay over the odds, I would like to buy a grin reaper they were issued for ยฃ400, one on e-bay is on for ยฃ5500 the guy selling it has had it from new, so is he a flipper? I dont think so, just the way the market is ,but if you take a look at a lot of artists in the contempary market, they rise fast then level, a lot also come down with a big bump, this must be very difficult for the man himself as all this bitching must make him think ,whats going on? Is banksy now a business man or still an artist? as a lot of artists end up selling their souls to publishers, I would love to know what he thinks, some hope eh?
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Onsales/True Fans, by stereoface on Oct 31, 2007 17:36:00 GMT 1, when did Banksy become fine art?
Ha. Good point. I guess I was just trying to make the distinction between what I had been collecting - posters that would be hung at concerts - and art that is sold at Sothebys.
when did Banksy become fine art? Ha. Good point. I guess I was just trying to make the distinction between what I had been collecting - posters that would be hung at concerts - and art that is sold at Sothebys. |
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Onsales/True Fans, by mike hunt on Oct 31, 2007 17:43:07 GMT 1, Does thinking of your prints as a long term investment make it any better? This is not straightforward and impossible to measure. Fans sell stuff too (in order to buy other stuff usually). If you weren't thinking about resale price, then it would be much cheaper and easier to buy or create a worthless reproduction.
Does thinking of your prints as a long term investment make it any better? This is not straightforward and impossible to measure. Fans sell stuff too (in order to buy other stuff usually). If you weren't thinking about resale price, then it would be much cheaper and easier to buy or create a worthless reproduction.
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Onsales/True Fans, by stuey09 on Oct 31, 2007 17:44:40 GMT 1, I can understand the frustration, in having to pay over the odds, I would like to buy a grin reaper they were issued for ยฃ400, one on e-bay is on for ยฃ5500 the guy selling it has had it from new, so is he a flipper? I dont think so, just the way the market is ,but if you take a look at a lot of artists in the contempary market, they rise fast then level, a lot also come down with a big bump, this must be very difficult for the man himself as all this b**ching must make him think ,whats going on? Is banksy now a business man or still an artist? as a lot of artists end up selling their souls to publishers, I would love to know what he thinks, some hope eh?
I don't think any rational person would accuse an original purchaser of GR a flipper if they chose to sell it now. The vitriol is normally reserved for those that turn their pictures around before they've received them or certainly within 24 hours.
I can understand the frustration, in having to pay over the odds, I would like to buy a grin reaper they were issued for ยฃ400, one on e-bay is on for ยฃ5500 the guy selling it has had it from new, so is he a flipper? I dont think so, just the way the market is ,but if you take a look at a lot of artists in the contempary market, they rise fast then level, a lot also come down with a big bump, this must be very difficult for the man himself as all this b**ching must make him think ,whats going on? Is banksy now a business man or still an artist? as a lot of artists end up selling their souls to publishers, I would love to know what he thinks, some hope eh? I don't think any rational person would accuse an original purchaser of GR a flipper if they chose to sell it now. The vitriol is normally reserved for those that turn their pictures around before they've received them or certainly within 24 hours. |
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Onsales/True Fans, by loucastel on Oct 31, 2007 17:47:27 GMT 1, There is no distinction between the two some of the poster for concerts are now fetching big bucks and I mean BIG, concert posters ,movie posters, big market , big money and they are all sold at the big auction houses, but trouble is a lot of people on here seem to think you should be vetted before you can buy a banks'y print, maybe POW should ask potential buyers 10 questions and if you get them right you can have one , mmm wonder how the real "fans" would get on?
There is no distinction between the two some of the poster for concerts are now fetching big bucks and I mean BIG, concert posters ,movie posters, big market , big money and they are all sold at the big auction houses, but trouble is a lot of people on here seem to think you should be vetted before you can buy a banks'y print, maybe POW should ask potential buyers 10 questions and if you get them right you can have one , mmm wonder how the real "fans" would get on?
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Onsales/True Fans, by mike hunt on Oct 31, 2007 17:54:09 GMT 1, Stuey09 - well said. I think its fair to call those that turn it around that quickly as flippers - its thoroughly cynical and annoying. It doesn't help the scene or artists long term. Anything outside of that - who are we to judge? I will need to sell a piece soon in order to buy another piece. Its difficult because of the emotional attachment, but if I understand correctly, a flipper is someone who has no intention of enjoying the piece and is driven purely by short term cash, with no emotional attachment or appreciation.
Stuey09 - well said. I think its fair to call those that turn it around that quickly as flippers - its thoroughly cynical and annoying. It doesn't help the scene or artists long term. Anything outside of that - who are we to judge? I will need to sell a piece soon in order to buy another piece. Its difficult because of the emotional attachment, but if I understand correctly, a flipper is someone who has no intention of enjoying the piece and is driven purely by short term cash, with no emotional attachment or appreciation.
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Onsales/True Fans, by ricosg11 on Oct 31, 2007 17:54:17 GMT 1, If you are interested on why you can really hurt your favorite artists by flipping their work (originals especially) you should read Collecting Contemporary by Adam Lindemann. Heck, anyone who is really into collecting and any art scene should read this. I coulnt put it down. It was a great summary of what an art education and collection should be.
If you are interested on why you can really hurt your favorite artists by flipping their work (originals especially) you should read Collecting Contemporary by Adam Lindemann. Heck, anyone who is really into collecting and any art scene should read this. I coulnt put it down. It was a great summary of what an art education and collection should be.
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Onsales/True Fans, by loucastel on Oct 31, 2007 17:54:30 GMT 1, stuey09, how do you get the bit that you are replying to ,to come up in the box? sorry to appear so ignorant
stuey09, how do you get the bit that you are replying to ,to come up in the box? sorry to appear so ignorant
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Onsales/True Fans, by carlito on Oct 31, 2007 17:55:14 GMT 1, press quote lou
press quote lou |
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Onsales/True Fans, by stuey09 on Oct 31, 2007 17:55:21 GMT 1, There is no distinction between the two some of the poster for concerts are now fetching big bucks and I mean BIG, concert posters ,movie posters, big market , big money and they are all sold at the big auction houses, but trouble is a lot of people on here seem to think you should be vetted before you can buy a banks'y print, maybe POW should ask potential buyers 10 questions and if you get them right you can have one , mmm wonder how the real "fans" would get on?
Well for a start I would imagine that they would realise that there is no hyphon in his name
There is no distinction between the two some of the poster for concerts are now fetching big bucks and I mean BIG, concert posters ,movie posters, big market , big money and they are all sold at the big auction houses, but trouble is a lot of people on here seem to think you should be vetted before you can buy a banks'y print, maybe POW should ask potential buyers 10 questions and if you get them right you can have one , mmm wonder how the real "fans" would get on? Well for a start I would imagine that they would realise that there is no hyphon in his name |
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Onsales/True Fans, by carlito on Oct 31, 2007 17:57:22 GMT 1, There is no distinction between the two some of the poster for concerts are now fetching big bucks and I mean BIG, concert posters ,movie posters, big market , big money and they are all sold at the big auction houses, but trouble is a lot of people on here seem to think you should be vetted before you can buy a banks'y print, maybe POW should ask potential buyers 10 questions and if you get them right you can have one , mmm wonder how the real "fans" would get on? Well for a start I would imagine that they would realise that there is no hyphon in his name
or even an apostrophe 
There is no distinction between the two some of the poster for concerts are now fetching big bucks and I mean BIG, concert posters ,movie posters, big market , big money and they are all sold at the big auction houses, but trouble is a lot of people on here seem to think you should be vetted before you can buy a banks'y print, maybe POW should ask potential buyers 10 questions and if you get them right you can have one , mmm wonder how the real "fans" would get on? Well for a start I would imagine that they would realise that there is no hyphon in his name or even an apostrophe |
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Onsales/True Fans, by mike hunt on Oct 31, 2007 18:02:58 GMT 1, I hate all this real fan stuff. Art & design is my whole life - there's never been anything else I wanted to do. This does not qualify me to enjoy a print more than someone who knows less about its significance. If someone likes a piece but doesn't know anything about the artist or cultural significance, then so what? They have the right to appreciate, and may enjoy it more than 'knowledgeable' people. If someone invested in an artist in the early days and makes a load of money from it, then good for them.
I hate all this real fan stuff. Art & design is my whole life - there's never been anything else I wanted to do. This does not qualify me to enjoy a print more than someone who knows less about its significance. If someone likes a piece but doesn't know anything about the artist or cultural significance, then so what? They have the right to appreciate, and may enjoy it more than 'knowledgeable' people. If someone invested in an artist in the early days and makes a load of money from it, then good for them.
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Onsales/True Fans, by mike hunt on Oct 31, 2007 18:04:38 GMT 1, That sounds really interesting - many thanks for the tip - I'll have a look for it.
If you are interested on why you can really hurt your favorite artists by flipping their work (originals especially) you should read Collecting Contemporary by Adam Lindemann. Heck, anyone who is really into collecting and any art scene should read this. I coulnt put it down. It was a great summary of what an art education and collection should be.
That sounds really interesting - many thanks for the tip - I'll have a look for it. If you are interested on why you can really hurt your favorite artists by flipping their work (originals especially) you should read Collecting Contemporary by Adam Lindemann. Heck, anyone who is really into collecting and any art scene should read this. I coulnt put it down. It was a great summary of what an art education and collection should be. |
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Onsales/True Fans, by carlito on Oct 31, 2007 18:05:03 GMT 1, I hate all this real fan stuff. Art & design is my whole life - there's never been anything else I wanted to do. This does not qualify me to enjoy a print more than someone who knows less about its significance. If someone likes a piece but doesn't know anything about the artist or cultural significance, then so what?
totally and utterly agree +1
I hate all this real fan stuff. Art & design is my whole life - there's never been anything else I wanted to do. This does not qualify me to enjoy a print more than someone who knows less about its significance. If someone likes a piece but doesn't know anything about the artist or cultural significance, then so what? totally and utterly agree +1 |
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Onsales/True Fans, by stuey09 on Oct 31, 2007 18:05:11 GMT 1, stuey09, how do you get the bit that you are replying to ,to come up in the box? sorry to appear so ignorant
Pm'd you Lou.
stuey09, how do you get the bit that you are replying to ,to come up in the box? sorry to appear so ignorant Pm'd you Lou. |
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Onsales/True Fans, by stuey09 on Oct 31, 2007 18:06:23 GMT 1, Well for a start I would imagine that they would realise that there is no hyphon in his name or even an apostrophe
;D ;D ;D
Well for a start I would imagine that they would realise that there is no hyphon in his name or even an apostrophe ;D ;D ;D |
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Onsales/True Fans, by pezlow on Oct 31, 2007 18:07:36 GMT 1, I hate all this real fan stuff. Art & design is my whole life - there's never been anything else I wanted to do. This does not qualify me to enjoy a print more than someone who knows less about its significance. If someone likes a piece but doesn't know anything about the artist or cultural significance, then so what? They have the right to appreciate, and may enjoy it more than 'knowledgeable' people. If someone invested in an artist in the early days and makes a load of money from it, then good for them.
Nice post. I agree.
I think everyone on here agrees the endless flipper debate is boring. Buy, sell, swap but above all enjoy your art.
On a seperate note I really hope that new posters don't feel intimidated on here as there are a great bunch of helpful guys and gals on here. Maybe we could all be a bit more patient with a new forum member when they join?
I hate all this real fan stuff. Art & design is my whole life - there's never been anything else I wanted to do. This does not qualify me to enjoy a print more than someone who knows less about its significance. If someone likes a piece but doesn't know anything about the artist or cultural significance, then so what? They have the right to appreciate, and may enjoy it more than 'knowledgeable' people. If someone invested in an artist in the early days and makes a load of money from it, then good for them. Nice post. I agree. I think everyone on here agrees the endless flipper debate is boring. Buy, sell, swap but above all enjoy your art. On a seperate note I really hope that new posters don't feel intimidated on here as there are a great bunch of helpful guys and gals on here. Maybe we could all be a bit more patient with a new forum member when they join? |
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loucastel
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Onsales/True Fans, by loucastel on Oct 31, 2007 18:08:07 GMT 1, Well for a start I would imagine that they would realise that there is no hyphon in his name or even an apostrophe
Well for a start I would imagine that they would realise that there is no hyphon in his name or even an apostrophe |
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Onsales/True Fans, by carlito on Oct 31, 2007 18:09:48 GMT 1, I hate all this real fan stuff. Art & design is my whole life - there's never been anything else I wanted to do. This does not qualify me to enjoy a print more than someone who knows less about its significance. If someone likes a piece but doesn't know anything about the artist or cultural significance, then so what? They have the right to appreciate, and may enjoy it more than 'knowledgeable' people. If someone invested in an artist in the early days and makes a load of money from it, then good for them. Nice post. I agree. I think everyone on here agrees the endless flipper debate is boring. Buy, sell, swap but above all enjoy your art. On a seperate note I really hope that new posters don't feel intimidated on here as there are a great bunch of helpful guys and gals on here. Maybe we could all be a bit more patient with a new forum member when they join?
Papa Pez spreading love 
I hate all this real fan stuff. Art & design is my whole life - there's never been anything else I wanted to do. This does not qualify me to enjoy a print more than someone who knows less about its significance. If someone likes a piece but doesn't know anything about the artist or cultural significance, then so what? They have the right to appreciate, and may enjoy it more than 'knowledgeable' people. If someone invested in an artist in the early days and makes a load of money from it, then good for them. Nice post. I agree. I think everyone on here agrees the endless flipper debate is boring. Buy, sell, swap but above all enjoy your art. On a seperate note I really hope that new posters don't feel intimidated on here as there are a great bunch of helpful guys and gals on here. Maybe we could all be a bit more patient with a new forum member when they join? Papa Pez spreading love |
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