Urban Art Association

Your not being anal jd. Speak to the other person, explain the score and se if they would swop. No harm in trying. Good luck.

If they're going on your wall, it doesn't make a huge difference. See what provenance the other party has got though (of course)

Given that you're the registered POW owner, I really don't think it makes sense to do the swap. At the moment you've got A1 provenance, if you swap that won't be the case.

Other than satisfying yourself, I don't think there's any benefit in having matching numbers in this case.

I would like to get matching numbers, but it doesn't often happen. I don't think you are being anal. I bought a pair of Angel bombers for £900, but the numbers were 80 odd and 176 or something. Then 2 days later a pair came up for a grand with numbers 30 and 32, so i bought them as well.

It still niggles me though that the AB's aren't matching and I have been on here trying to change that and even found someone who bought number 30 on ebay but they never replied.

As low a number as possible and matching ideally. All very hard to do Got a couple of number ones though ;D

I've got to say it makes no difference to me whatsoever!
But each to their own....!

Matching print numbers make it that extra sweet, but I don't think I wouldn't pay extra for it. With regards to your situation jd I'd stick with what you've got. Being the registered POW owner is more important imo.

In your obviously very important opinion yes ?
Why are you so negative about everything?

My mantis all fall down and evolution have matching numbers as does my elton light and dark by Eine.

JD - I think your point about whatever makes an individual happy is an absolutely key one. If it makes a difference to you then that's what counts.

And I do agree that the way in which Endtimes expressed his view was pretty unhelpful.

Though I have to say I agree with the underlying notion that the obsession with print numbers is, to use your phrase, generally a little anal. It satifisies a personal desire, which is obviously important, though has little further intrinsic value, i.e., the number of the print doesn't make the print more beautiful or more desirable to the general buying public. I appreciate there are some people (and this number is growing on the board) to whom it does make a difference.

I'll readily admit that I find it nice to get a print with the number "1" on it, or the final print from an edition or an AP or PP. However, if they're exactly the same as every other print in the run, I won't pay any more for them simply because they have a certain number or go out of my way to find matching numbers.

Conflict works created using traditional printing techniques where the printing materials degrade during the printing process. In those cases earlier numbers are relevant, because the later prints can start to show defects or lack of definition.

What I do see happening is that there are an increasing number of people in the scene who are concerned by these things and will go out of their way to get particular numbers. We've seen how APs and PPs are perceived to have considerably more value than a print from the numbered edition. I'm using the terms AP and PP in the traditional fine art sense - i.e., the prints don't vary from the numbered run in any way. I do of course realise that these terms are used in a different fashion in the scene and often connote Test Prints, which differ in colour, etc. I think if the number of people concerned by particular numbers continues to grow, we could see a time when certain print numbers and having matching numbers will make a difference to value. Only time will tell I guess.

I've never considered that the print number to be of any importance before. Is is common for a number 1 from an edition to carry a premium then?

Doesnt the artist or the gallery always get number 1?
Anyway when I started this it was never supposed to be about premiums just nice thing to have if you could

But uve ended up with 2 non-matching pairs !

Traditionally an artist would get the Artist's Proofs (APs) and the printer the Printer's Proof's, hence the names. Though it is common for galleries/artists to keep back the first part of the numbered run as well. That said, I've got a couple of number 1 prints. Not from the artists regularly discussed on here mind you.

I realise you were just talking about nice things to have and I agree in that respect. Though that's also why I advised in this case that I wouldn't do the swap if I was you. Trading A1 provenance for a print number isn't a good idea IMO.

Very true mate, very true. Although the debate is value of matching no.s, not nearly matching no's