gordy
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by gordy on May 12, 2007 20:39:55 GMT 1, I would just like to ask people on the forum if it weren't for Banksy would we bother with POW?
Please do not give me lots of negative feedback for asking this question ;D ;D I am only asking the question........ ;D
To explain the question......
I feel personally that there are now lots of new galleries who sell similar art but do it so much better!! better service, better packaging....it seems like POW is run like it is a small company rather than one which has the hottest artist in the world right now on their books.....
Please discuss.... ;D
I would just like to ask people on the forum if it weren't for Banksy would we bother with POW?
Please do not give me lots of negative feedback for asking this question ;D ;D I am only asking the question........ ;D
To explain the question......
I feel personally that there are now lots of new galleries who sell similar art but do it so much better!! better service, better packaging....it seems like POW is run like it is a small company rather than one which has the hottest artist in the world right now on their books.....
Please discuss.... ;D
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motor
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by motor on May 12, 2007 20:45:09 GMT 1, I would just like to ask people on the forum if it weren't for Banksy would we bother with POW? Please do not give me lots of negative feedback for asking this question ;D ;D I am only asking the question........ ;D To explain the question...... I feel personally that there are now lots of new galleries who sell similar art but do it so much better!! better service, better packaging....it seems like POW is run like it is a small company rather than one which has the hottest artist in the world right now on their books.....
I will answer with question:
Would there be any of these galleries without POW?
I would just like to ask people on the forum if it weren't for Banksy would we bother with POW? Please do not give me lots of negative feedback for asking this question ;D ;D I am only asking the question........ ;D To explain the question...... I feel personally that there are now lots of new galleries who sell similar art but do it so much better!! better service, better packaging....it seems like POW is run like it is a small company rather than one which has the hottest artist in the world right now on their books..... I will answer with question: Would there be any of these galleries without POW? |
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gordy
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by gordy on May 12, 2007 20:52:01 GMT 1, I agree with that sentiment but...... a comparison....the Co-op used to be the most powerful supermarket in the uk, didn't change with the times...new players came into the market....did the same thing but better.....hey presto Tesco....
I agree with that sentiment but...... a comparison....the Co-op used to be the most powerful supermarket in the uk, didn't change with the times...new players came into the market....did the same thing but better.....hey presto Tesco.... |
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CHAMB
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by CHAMB on May 12, 2007 21:12:50 GMT 1, as long as thier are prints that I dig I'll purchase things from POW...I've only had good experiences with them...even on orders that were jacked, they made up for it in various ways. Chamb
as long as thier are prints that I dig I'll purchase things from POW...I've only had good experiences with them...even on orders that were jacked, they made up for it in various ways. Chamb
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motor
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by motor on May 12, 2007 21:22:04 GMT 1, I agree with that sentiment but...... a comparison....the Co-op used to be the most powerful supermarket in the uk, didn't change with the times...new players came into the market....did the same thing but better.....hey presto Tesco....
The true is POW has Banksy on their list. No one else-end of story.
If the new galleries want to survive they better do a f**king good job and offer even better custumer service otherwise most people here wouldn't really bother.
BTW I'm glad that there is some competition around-it does help and force everyone inc. POW to raise a bar a bit.
I agree with that sentiment but...... a comparison....the Co-op used to be the most powerful supermarket in the uk, didn't change with the times...new players came into the market....did the same thing but better.....hey presto Tesco.... The true is POW has Banksy on their list. No one else-end of story. If the new galleries want to survive they better do a f**king good job and offer even better custumer service otherwise most people here wouldn't really bother. BTW I'm glad that there is some competition around-it does help and force everyone inc. POW to raise a bar a bit. |
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gordy
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by gordy on May 12, 2007 21:47:18 GMT 1, "BTW I'm glad that there is some competition around-it does help and force everyone inc. POW to raise a bar a bit."
totally agree....there is so much choice nowadays.. ;D ;D
"BTW I'm glad that there is some competition around-it does help and force everyone inc. POW to raise a bar a bit."
totally agree....there is so much choice nowadays.. ;D ;D
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tadghostal
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by tadghostal on May 13, 2007 4:06:28 GMT 1, In response to the subject/headline of this thread alone----No.
Without Banksy, I'd pay little attention to POW. Except, they DO have zeus. . . . . . 
In response to the subject/headline of this thread alone----No. Without Banksy, I'd pay little attention to POW. Except, they DO have zeus. . . . . . |
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by taco on May 13, 2007 9:18:17 GMT 1, In response to the subject/headline of this thread alone----No. Without Banksy, I'd pay little attention to POW. Except, they DO have zeus. . . . . .
It's Zevs and I think he'll be bigger than this flash in the pan banksy character....
In response to the subject/headline of this thread alone----No. Without Banksy, I'd pay little attention to POW. Except, they DO have zeus. . . . . . It's Zevs and I think he'll be bigger than this flash in the pan banksy character.... |
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by corblimeylimey on May 13, 2007 10:24:11 GMT 1, They've also got Micallef, Insect, Dface, and we've been told Titi Freak.
I must say they have been eclipsed so far this year by Souled Out Studios and Black Rat Press, others like Let Them Hang and Scrawl Collective are also on the rise, POW have got their work cut out for them that's for sure. Having said that still lots of stuff just flys out their door quickly.
They've also got Micallef, Insect, Dface, and we've been told Titi Freak.
I must say they have been eclipsed so far this year by Souled Out Studios and Black Rat Press, others like Let Them Hang and Scrawl Collective are also on the rise, POW have got their work cut out for them that's for sure. Having said that still lots of stuff just flys out their door quickly.
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Run Pig Run
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by Run Pig Run on May 13, 2007 11:19:41 GMT 1, question is whether we would of heard of all these other artists and bought their prints if banksy didn't exist - I probably would've never heard of any of them and never bought any prints. I would have a new shed and spend far less time on the computer, but I would also have some very dodgy art from athena.
If Banksy did no more prints at POW I would still check it out and buy stuff I liked but I wouldn't of known about it if it wasn't for Banksy
question is whether we would of heard of all these other artists and bought their prints if banksy didn't exist - I probably would've never heard of any of them and never bought any prints. I would have a new shed and spend far less time on the computer, but I would also have some very dodgy art from athena.
If Banksy did no more prints at POW I would still check it out and buy stuff I liked but I wouldn't of known about it if it wasn't for Banksy
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dmandpenfold
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by dmandpenfold on May 13, 2007 11:28:24 GMT 1, basically comes down to the artists they promote and work they sell.
If they continue to sell work by artists we are all keen to buy they will thrive, if they dont they will eventually disappear, personally i think they will continue to be around for a long time but they will have increasing competition..
basically comes down to the artists they promote and work they sell.
If they continue to sell work by artists we are all keen to buy they will thrive, if they dont they will eventually disappear, personally i think they will continue to be around for a long time but they will have increasing competition..
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stuey09
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by stuey09 on May 13, 2007 11:42:42 GMT 1, They've also got Micallef, Insect, Dface, and we've been told Titi Freak. I must say they have been eclipsed so far this year by Souled Out Studios and Black Rat Press, others like Let Them Hang and Scrawl Collective are also on the rise, POW have got their work cut out for them that's for sure. Having said that still lots of stuff just flys out their door quickly.
Very good call CBL. I'd add Opus Underground to that list, who also knock out some decent work at reasonable cost.
They've also got Micallef, Insect, Dface, and we've been told Titi Freak. I must say they have been eclipsed so far this year by Souled Out Studios and Black Rat Press, others like Let Them Hang and Scrawl Collective are also on the rise, POW have got their work cut out for them that's for sure. Having said that still lots of stuff just flys out their door quickly. Very good call CBL. I'd add Opus Underground to that list, who also knock out some decent work at reasonable cost. |
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stuey09
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by stuey09 on May 13, 2007 11:55:17 GMT 1, Yep. For the same reason that I look at Hoodacious, Opus Underground, SoS, BRP, Tiny Showcase, etc etc. You just never know what stunning piece of work might just turn up.
Yep. For the same reason that I look at Hoodacious, Opus Underground, SoS, BRP, Tiny Showcase, etc etc. You just never know what stunning piece of work might just turn up.
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dkla
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by dkla on May 13, 2007 18:20:22 GMT 1, It just wouldn't be the same at POW without Banksy. But not just POW...the whole scene in general, of which Black Rat, etc. have dipped into.
I bring you back to this article posted by Wooster Collective regarding "The Banksy Effect": www.woostercollective.com/2007/02/the_banksy_effect.html
Two things seem to be clear:First. That change is inevitable.
And second. That change polarizes people.
They say that things take five years to fully come into their own. And with the street art movement, we see that exactly to be the case. In truth, it wasn't until last week's trip to London that we fully understood how significant the changes have been in the street art scene. It wasn't until last week that it fully hit us how much the movement has finally come into its own on so many different levels.
And one thing is clear - this has polarized a lot of people.
Coming back from London, we started explaining it to our friends as:
"The Banksy Effect"
While we've always been unabashed (and unapologetic) fans of Banksy, we now see Banksy as the single greatest thing that has happened not only to the street/urban art movement, but to contemporary art in general.
We know that that's a sweepingly broad statement that is likely to get us in trouble, but let us explain.
Most people need entry points to become comfortable with things that are new.
And for millions of people, Banksy is the entry point they need in not only seeing art in a new way, but in accepting art as a part of their daily lives.
Like Andy Warhol before him, Banksy has almost single handedly redefined what art is to a lot of people who probably never felt they appreciated art before. By being an iconoclast, and in the process becoming a mythic hero for a lot of people, Banksy has become an incredible icon in our society. One that we think, when things are said and done, will be at the level of Warhol.
The fact that Banksy's book "Wall and Piece" is in every bookstore imaginable, including Urban Outfitters, is a statement unto itself.
The fact that Banksy's work is now selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars at Sotheby's is a statement unto itself.
And we know that both of these things polarize a lot of people.
But for us, we think that this is the best thing that could have ever happened to the street art movement.
Why?
Because what Banksy (and Steve Lazarides) have done is to create a market for an entire category of art that until now has not been recognized at the level that it is now being recognized at.
And for this we should all be grateful.
If you're one of those people who are calling Banksy a sellout for selling his work for exorbitant prices, but are interested in making money yourself from your own art, then you should perhaps rethink your views a bit.
Here's what we see happening.
There are now a lot of people that have money and want to spend it on art. Their entry point into buying "urban art" is now Banksy. They read about Banksy selling his work at Sothebys and they want to be in on the action.
But not many can now afford to buy a Banksy piece any more.
This is actually a good thing for artists who are talented and want to make money from their art because those people who can't afford "a Banksy" are now learning more and searching out and buying work from other talented artists who are part of the movement.
One of the best things that we did last week was to go to the opening of a fantastic exhibition at the Elms Lesters Painting Studios. The show featured great work by Phil Frost, Adam Neate, WK, and Anthony Lister. All four of them are incredibly talented and have been working their asses of for years. All four of them deserve everything they receive, including selling their work at prices most of us can't afford. (We think that they deserve to make as much money as they want.)
Would the work have sold without Banksy?
Sure.
Would the show have commanded the prices it did without "the Banksy Effect"? Would the show have sold out without the "Banksy Effect"?
Some will say yes, but we don't think so.
Of course there was a market for this movement before Banksy started selling at Sothebys. Gallerists like Jonathan Levine, Merry Karnowsky, and others have been selling art from these artists for years.
But never at the level it is selling at now.
Another sign of the Banksy effect: Prints from places like Pictures On Walls, Faile.net, and others have never sold out faster. This is allowing more artists to make a living from their art.
For us...
... Shepard Fairey created the movement.
....Banksy created the market.
And even if you don't agree with anything we've just written, we do think that both of these two guys deserve the full recognition and respect for what they have done.
We think that 10 years from now, the "Banksy Effect" will be recognized as one of the most significant moments in the contemporary art market.
UPDATE: Turns out we're not the only ones who are calling it "the Banksy Effect" Just found this CNN clip from Santa's Ghetto here.
www.esnips.com/doc/b4c1d2fc-5e85-4610-a094-21f915883fb2/the-banksy-effect-Dec-22
It just wouldn't be the same at POW without Banksy. But not just POW...the whole scene in general, of which Black Rat, etc. have dipped into. I bring you back to this article posted by Wooster Collective regarding "The Banksy Effect": www.woostercollective.com/2007/02/the_banksy_effect.htmlTwo things seem to be clear:First. That change is inevitable.
And second. That change polarizes people.
They say that things take five years to fully come into their own. And with the street art movement, we see that exactly to be the case. In truth, it wasn't until last week's trip to London that we fully understood how significant the changes have been in the street art scene. It wasn't until last week that it fully hit us how much the movement has finally come into its own on so many different levels.
And one thing is clear - this has polarized a lot of people.
Coming back from London, we started explaining it to our friends as:
"The Banksy Effect"
While we've always been unabashed (and unapologetic) fans of Banksy, we now see Banksy as the single greatest thing that has happened not only to the street/urban art movement, but to contemporary art in general.
We know that that's a sweepingly broad statement that is likely to get us in trouble, but let us explain.
Most people need entry points to become comfortable with things that are new.
And for millions of people, Banksy is the entry point they need in not only seeing art in a new way, but in accepting art as a part of their daily lives.
Like Andy Warhol before him, Banksy has almost single handedly redefined what art is to a lot of people who probably never felt they appreciated art before. By being an iconoclast, and in the process becoming a mythic hero for a lot of people, Banksy has become an incredible icon in our society. One that we think, when things are said and done, will be at the level of Warhol.
The fact that Banksy's book "Wall and Piece" is in every bookstore imaginable, including Urban Outfitters, is a statement unto itself.
The fact that Banksy's work is now selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars at Sotheby's is a statement unto itself.
And we know that both of these things polarize a lot of people.
But for us, we think that this is the best thing that could have ever happened to the street art movement.
Why?
Because what Banksy (and Steve Lazarides) have done is to create a market for an entire category of art that until now has not been recognized at the level that it is now being recognized at.
And for this we should all be grateful.
If you're one of those people who are calling Banksy a sellout for selling his work for exorbitant prices, but are interested in making money yourself from your own art, then you should perhaps rethink your views a bit.
Here's what we see happening.
There are now a lot of people that have money and want to spend it on art. Their entry point into buying "urban art" is now Banksy. They read about Banksy selling his work at Sothebys and they want to be in on the action.
But not many can now afford to buy a Banksy piece any more.
This is actually a good thing for artists who are talented and want to make money from their art because those people who can't afford "a Banksy" are now learning more and searching out and buying work from other talented artists who are part of the movement.
One of the best things that we did last week was to go to the opening of a fantastic exhibition at the Elms Lesters Painting Studios. The show featured great work by Phil Frost, Adam Neate, WK, and Anthony Lister. All four of them are incredibly talented and have been working their asses of for years. All four of them deserve everything they receive, including selling their work at prices most of us can't afford. (We think that they deserve to make as much money as they want.)
Would the work have sold without Banksy?
Sure.
Would the show have commanded the prices it did without "the Banksy Effect"? Would the show have sold out without the "Banksy Effect"?
Some will say yes, but we don't think so.
Of course there was a market for this movement before Banksy started selling at Sothebys. Gallerists like Jonathan Levine, Merry Karnowsky, and others have been selling art from these artists for years.
But never at the level it is selling at now.
Another sign of the Banksy effect: Prints from places like Pictures On Walls, Faile.net, and others have never sold out faster. This is allowing more artists to make a living from their art.
For us...
... Shepard Fairey created the movement.
....Banksy created the market.
And even if you don't agree with anything we've just written, we do think that both of these two guys deserve the full recognition and respect for what they have done.
We think that 10 years from now, the "Banksy Effect" will be recognized as one of the most significant moments in the contemporary art market.
UPDATE: Turns out we're not the only ones who are calling it "the Banksy Effect" Just found this CNN clip from Santa's Ghetto here.
www.esnips.com/doc/b4c1d2fc-5e85-4610-a094-21f915883fb2/the-banksy-effect-Dec-22 |
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gordy
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by gordy on May 13, 2007 18:43:18 GMT 1, Totally agree, without POW none of this would have happened but others such as BRP have now come in and upped the levels of service etc..... many artists now seem to prefer to release their own prints etc.... something doesn't seem 100%  ?
Totally agree, without POW none of this would have happened but others such as BRP have now come in and upped the levels of service etc..... many artists now seem to prefer to release their own prints etc.... something doesn't seem 100% ? |
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by corblimeylimey on May 13, 2007 19:45:08 GMT 1, Totally agree, without POW none of this would have happened but others such as BRP have now come in and upped the levels of service etc..... many artists now seem to prefer to release their own prints etc.... something doesn't seem 100% ?
mmmmmm trouble at t'mill
or at least it would be for POW if they didn't have Banksy & Micallef, they've got so much competition now.
Totally agree, without POW none of this would have happened but others such as BRP have now come in and upped the levels of service etc..... many artists now seem to prefer to release their own prints etc.... something doesn't seem 100% ? mmmmmm trouble at t'mill or at least it would be for POW if they didn't have Banksy & Micallef, they've got so much competition now. |
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ROLLINS
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by ROLLINS on May 15, 2007 18:11:08 GMT 1, We all know that POW is really Banksy's site - so we buy the stuff cos he put's it up there.
right or wrong??
We all know that POW is really Banksy's site - so we buy the stuff cos he put's it up there.
right or wrong??
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Run Pig Run
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by Run Pig Run on May 15, 2007 18:29:04 GMT 1, ludicrously wrong.
ludicrously wrong.
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ROLLINS
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by ROLLINS on May 15, 2007 18:35:40 GMT 1, Really?
come on??
Black mona simpsons - possibly the worst print ever - SOLD OUT!
Really?
come on??
Black mona simpsons - possibly the worst print ever - SOLD OUT!
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by numusic on May 15, 2007 19:48:39 GMT 1, We all know that POW is really Banksy's site - so we buy the stuff cos he put's it up there. right or wrong??
A bit of both, Banksy chooses or at least has chosen artists he likes in the past, to be featured on POW.
We all know that POW is really Banksy's site - so we buy the stuff cos he put's it up there. right or wrong?? A bit of both, Banksy chooses or at least has chosen artists he likes in the past, to be featured on POW. |
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ROLLINS
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by ROLLINS on May 15, 2007 19:55:51 GMT 1, My point exactly.
Some of the work on POW is sub standard, but sells out in minutes because it's POW released.
Don't get me wrong - I'm a big fan of the site and will continue to buy from there.
My point exactly.
Some of the work on POW is sub standard, but sells out in minutes because it's POW released.
Don't get me wrong - I'm a big fan of the site and will continue to buy from there.
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johnerotten
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by johnerotten on May 15, 2007 19:58:43 GMT 1, the only other artists i care for on POW are Faile and Mcallif(sp?).
so pretty much NO.
i studied art history for a year and appreciate art in various forms but i am not easily impressed. i really like banksy and warhol because of their pop art style.
if i had an original mona lisa i wouldn't put it on my wall. i think its a nice piece, but its not my style. i'd bag that fucker on fleabay and retire.
i think most of the prints in circulation are crap. i also feel that way about music and film and pretty much everything in life. ;D 
the only other artists i care for on POW are Faile and Mcallif(sp?). so pretty much NO. i studied art history for a year and appreciate art in various forms but i am not easily impressed. i really like banksy and warhol because of their pop art style. if i had an original mona lisa i wouldn't put it on my wall. i think its a nice piece, but its not my style. i'd bag that fucker on fleabay and retire. i think most of the prints in circulation are crap. i also feel that way about music and film and pretty much everything in life. ;D |
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johnerotten
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by johnerotten on May 15, 2007 20:01:31 GMT 1,
i agree. i am pleased with POW's service except for the server problems during sales.
i also think most of their other artists are crap but beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that doesn't mean i don't think they are talented. they are much better painters than i am i'm just not into that other stuff so much.
i'm currently obsessed with trying to obtain a warhol and trolleys, of course
My point exactly. Some of the work on POW is sub standard, but sells out in minutes because it's POW released. Don't get me wrong - I'm a big fan of the site and will continue to buy from there.
i agree. i am pleased with POW's service except for the server problems during sales. i also think most of their other artists are crap but beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that doesn't mean i don't think they are talented. they are much better painters than i am i'm just not into that other stuff so much. i'm currently obsessed with trying to obtain a warhol and trolleys, of course My point exactly. Some of the work on POW is sub standard, but sells out in minutes because it's POW released. Don't get me wrong - I'm a big fan of the site and will continue to buy from there. |
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wildbill
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POW - would we bother if it weren't for Banksy?, by wildbill on May 15, 2007 20:13:55 GMT 1, I'll buy art from whoever has good art. POW, SOS, BRP, ebay, whatever.....
I've been very impressed with POW's customer service and nobody has a better roster of artist.
I'll buy art from whoever has good art. POW, SOS, BRP, ebay, whatever.....
I've been very impressed with POW's customer service and nobody has a better roster of artist.
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