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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by manty on Jun 16, 2008 22:37:03 GMT 1, ;D
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by slowmo on Jun 16, 2008 22:38:25 GMT 1, yep, but it don't smell and wont kill your plants
yep, but it don't smell and wont kill your plants
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by Gurn on Jun 16, 2008 22:41:22 GMT 1, Think you've got it in one IMO mate..there's one of them green Telecom box thingys in my town that covered in stickers as well kinda the same thing..Like marking your territory and saying"I was here"
Think you've got it in one IMO mate..there's one of them green Telecom box thingys in my town that covered in stickers as well kinda the same thing..Like marking your territory and saying"I was here"
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by nombei on Jun 16, 2008 22:52:07 GMT 1, i see you got a smiley face dood there so i won't really rant, but i always find it funny when people praise "street artists" but then complain about graffiti.
i guess the marketing is more important than the medium these days.
FVCK ART! DO GRAF!!!
i see you got a smiley face dood there so i won't really rant, but i always find it funny when people praise "street artists" but then complain about graffiti.
i guess the marketing is more important than the medium these days.
FVCK ART! DO GRAF!!!
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by slowmo on Jun 16, 2008 23:04:26 GMT 1, i see you got a smiley face dood there so i won't really rant, but i always find it funny when people praise "street artists" but then complain about graffiti. i guess the marketing is more important than the medium these days. FVCK ART! DO GRAF!!! for me at least Street art is imagery, thought provoking, tagging is tagging, to get up, they are both done illegally, both on walls. But smoking crack in a crack house is illegal, so is shagging prostitutes in a brothel, similar exercises on the surface, but very different in reality.
i see you got a smiley face dood there so i won't really rant, but i always find it funny when people praise "street artists" but then complain about graffiti. i guess the marketing is more important than the medium these days. FVCK ART! DO GRAF!!!for me at least Street art is imagery, thought provoking, tagging is tagging, to get up, they are both done illegally, both on walls. But smoking crack in a crack house is illegal, so is shagging prostitutes in a brothel, similar exercises on the surface, but very different in reality.
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by Gurn on Jun 16, 2008 23:07:46 GMT 1, i see you got a smiley face dood there so i won't really rant, but i always find it funny when people praise "street artists" but then complain about graffiti. i guess the marketing is more important than the medium these days. FVCK ART! DO GRAF!!! With "respect" mate I don't think anyone is complaining about graffiti here,merely using a metaphor to describe the fact that it's a territorial thing...like showing people in the know that you've been passing through
i see you got a smiley face dood there so i won't really rant, but i always find it funny when people praise "street artists" but then complain about graffiti. i guess the marketing is more important than the medium these days. FVCK ART! DO GRAF!!!With "respect" mate I don't think anyone is complaining about graffiti here,merely using a metaphor to describe the fact that it's a territorial thing...like showing people in the know that you've been passing through
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by nombei on Jun 16, 2008 23:12:53 GMT 1, i see you got a smiley face dood there so i won't really rant, but i always find it funny when people praise "street artists" but then complain about graffiti. i guess the marketing is more important than the medium these days. FVCK ART! DO GRAF!!!for me at least Street art is imagery, thought provoking, tagging is tagging, to get up, they are both done illegally, both on walls. But smoking crack in a crack house is illegal, so is shagging prostitutes in a brothel, similar exercises on the surface, but very different in reality.
i need to find a crack house brothel !!! ;D
the way i see it, tagging and graffiti got the ball rolling and i am instantly suspect of any "street/urban artist" who doesn't carry a marker on them.
i suppose it's all gotten a bit messy now because "street/urban art" has become a generic term just like "alternative" and "indie" in the music world.
i see you got a smiley face dood there so i won't really rant, but i always find it funny when people praise "street artists" but then complain about graffiti. i guess the marketing is more important than the medium these days. FVCK ART! DO GRAF!!!for me at least Street art is imagery, thought provoking, tagging is tagging, to get up, they are both done illegally, both on walls. But smoking crack in a crack house is illegal, so is shagging prostitutes in a brothel, similar exercises on the surface, but very different in reality. i need to find a crack house brothel !!! ;D the way i see it, tagging and graffiti got the ball rolling and i am instantly suspect of any "street/urban artist" who doesn't carry a marker on them. i suppose it's all gotten a bit messy now because "street/urban art" has become a generic term just like "alternative" and "indie" in the music world.
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by Heavyconsumer on Jun 16, 2008 23:16:48 GMT 1, Nombei, there may be some truth to that and I don't doubt that many do buy because of trends and even prestige attached to certain artists, especially Banksy. However the age old question of "what is art?" will rage on. It's actually quite difficult to answer without getting caught up in one's own tastes and preferences, which create a certain amount of bias. I think that no-one has addressed this better than Neate, by leaving pieces on the street that may have taken him anything from 1 minute to quite a few hours to produce. Then there's "Morons."
I find tagging in it's more raw form, pretty uninspired, unoriginal and very primitive in nature (and I love Manty's analogy and even think it fits well), but I must accept that there is some kind of invisible line somewhere, because once it's jazzed up a bit and jacked up in size I find myself pretty impressed at times, by even a single word or name. Where does the creativity factor in or begin to count for something? I think that it may just be different for every beholder, such is the subjective nature of art.
Nombei, there may be some truth to that and I don't doubt that many do buy because of trends and even prestige attached to certain artists, especially Banksy. However the age old question of "what is art?" will rage on. It's actually quite difficult to answer without getting caught up in one's own tastes and preferences, which create a certain amount of bias. I think that no-one has addressed this better than Neate, by leaving pieces on the street that may have taken him anything from 1 minute to quite a few hours to produce. Then there's "Morons."
I find tagging in it's more raw form, pretty uninspired, unoriginal and very primitive in nature (and I love Manty's analogy and even think it fits well), but I must accept that there is some kind of invisible line somewhere, because once it's jazzed up a bit and jacked up in size I find myself pretty impressed at times, by even a single word or name. Where does the creativity factor in or begin to count for something? I think that it may just be different for every beholder, such is the subjective nature of art.
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by nombei on Jun 16, 2008 23:23:06 GMT 1, i see you got a smiley face dood there so i won't really rant, but i always find it funny when people praise "street artists" but then complain about graffiti. i guess the marketing is more important than the medium these days. FVCK ART! DO GRAF!!!With "respect" mate I don't think anyone is complaining about graffiti here,merely using a metaphor to describe the fact that it's a territorial thing...like showing people in the know that you've been passing through
yea, that is definitely a large aspect of tagging/graffiti. though i think the style aspect of it is also important. Barry McGee/TWIST's tags always looked good and had a distinct style. and guys like RETNA (www.digitalretna.com/) and SHOE (www.calligraffiti.nl/archives/category/the-work/)probably write letters more artistically than most artists can paint.
that said, a lot of tags look like complete rubbish and i can understand why lots of people hate "graffiti" because of taggers.
edit: heavyconsumer -- i hear you and agree that the question "what is art?" probably has as many answers as the number of people you ask it to.
i see you got a smiley face dood there so i won't really rant, but i always find it funny when people praise "street artists" but then complain about graffiti. i guess the marketing is more important than the medium these days. FVCK ART! DO GRAF!!!With "respect" mate I don't think anyone is complaining about graffiti here,merely using a metaphor to describe the fact that it's a territorial thing...like showing people in the know that you've been passing through yea, that is definitely a large aspect of tagging/graffiti. though i think the style aspect of it is also important. Barry McGee/TWIST's tags always looked good and had a distinct style. and guys like RETNA ( www.digitalretna.com/) and SHOE ( www.calligraffiti.nl/archives/category/the-work/)probably write letters more artistically than most artists can paint. that said, a lot of tags look like complete rubbish and i can understand why lots of people hate "graffiti" because of taggers. edit: heavyconsumer -- i hear you and agree that the question "what is art?" probably has as many answers as the number of people you ask it to.
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by Heavyconsumer on Jun 16, 2008 23:24:25 GMT 1, for me at least Street art is imagery, thought provoking, tagging is tagging, to get up, they are both done illegally, both on walls. But smoking crack in a crack house is illegal, so is shagging prostitutes in a brothel, similar exercises on the surface, but very different in reality. i need to find a crack house brothel !!! ;D the way i see it, tagging and graffiti got the ball rolling and i am instantly suspect of any "street/urban artist" who doesn't carry a marker on them. i suppose it's all gotten a bit messy now because "street/urban art" has become a generic term just like "alternative" and "indie" in the music world.
Another question for you, do you think that artists such as Guy Denning or Micallef (as easy examples, but there are many others) came out and said, "we're street." The way I see it is that galleries and promotors will pigeon-hole anything into a sellable market sector - exactly what you said - marketing. I don't think it's in any way fair to persecute the artists that just get on with their art and happen to have galleries successfully attach thos works to this new and flexible "genre." Any piece of art, simply is what it is. It's made to be liked or disliked. This marketing is not always down to the same artist that produces the work.
for me at least Street art is imagery, thought provoking, tagging is tagging, to get up, they are both done illegally, both on walls. But smoking crack in a crack house is illegal, so is shagging prostitutes in a brothel, similar exercises on the surface, but very different in reality. i need to find a crack house brothel !!! ;D the way i see it, tagging and graffiti got the ball rolling and i am instantly suspect of any "street/urban artist" who doesn't carry a marker on them. i suppose it's all gotten a bit messy now because "street/urban art" has become a generic term just like "alternative" and "indie" in the music world. Another question for you, do you think that artists such as Guy Denning or Micallef (as easy examples, but there are many others) came out and said, "we're street." The way I see it is that galleries and promotors will pigeon-hole anything into a sellable market sector - exactly what you said - marketing. I don't think it's in any way fair to persecute the artists that just get on with their art and happen to have galleries successfully attach thos works to this new and flexible "genre." Any piece of art, simply is what it is. It's made to be liked or disliked. This marketing is not always down to the same artist that produces the work.
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by Heavyconsumer on Jun 16, 2008 23:25:43 GMT 1, let me know where the good crack-house brothels are too!
let me know where the good crack-house brothels are too!
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by nombei on Jun 16, 2008 23:30:00 GMT 1, i need to find a crack house brothel !!! ;D the way i see it, tagging and graffiti got the ball rolling and i am instantly suspect of any "street/urban artist" who doesn't carry a marker on them. i suppose it's all gotten a bit messy now because "street/urban art" has become a generic term just like "alternative" and "indie" in the music world. Another question for you, do you think that artists such as Guy Denning or Micallef (as easy examples, but there are many others) came out and said, "we're street." The way I see it is that galleries and promotors will pigeon-hole anything into a sellable market sector - exactly what you said - marketing. I don't think it's in any way fair to persecute the artists that just get on with their art and happen to have galleries successfully attach thos works to this new and flexible "genre." Any piece of art, simply is what it is. It's made to be liked or disliked. This marketing is not always down to the same artist that produces the work.
i've actually wondered how guys like Micallef and Denning got mixed in with the "street art" thing too. to me neither really have a "street" feel to them and i don't know if they ever did actual "street art". ? ? ?
i think with Micallef it's just due to his ties with POW / Laz. not sure how Denning got in there?
i need to find a crack house brothel !!! ;D the way i see it, tagging and graffiti got the ball rolling and i am instantly suspect of any "street/urban artist" who doesn't carry a marker on them. i suppose it's all gotten a bit messy now because "street/urban art" has become a generic term just like "alternative" and "indie" in the music world. Another question for you, do you think that artists such as Guy Denning or Micallef (as easy examples, but there are many others) came out and said, "we're street." The way I see it is that galleries and promotors will pigeon-hole anything into a sellable market sector - exactly what you said - marketing. I don't think it's in any way fair to persecute the artists that just get on with their art and happen to have galleries successfully attach thos works to this new and flexible "genre." Any piece of art, simply is what it is. It's made to be liked or disliked. This marketing is not always down to the same artist that produces the work. i've actually wondered how guys like Micallef and Denning got mixed in with the "street art" thing too. to me neither really have a "street" feel to them and i don't know if they ever did actual "street art". ? ? ? i think with Micallef it's just due to his ties with POW / Laz. not sure how Denning got in there?
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by nombei on Jun 16, 2008 23:37:40 GMT 1, if you want to see some videos of people putting down "artistic tags", check out the videos here... handselecta.com/videohome.html
the second one that Whirl does is awesome!
if you want to see some videos of people putting down "artistic tags", check out the videos here... handselecta.com/videohome.htmlthe second one that Whirl does is awesome!
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by stillborncrisps on Jun 16, 2008 23:40:02 GMT 1, Denning got there because Micallef said "You gotta check out this guy in Bristol called Denning" (I'm not dissing either here, I love GD's stuff, just explaining a connection. :-) )
Denning got there because Micallef said "You gotta check out this guy in Bristol called Denning" (I'm not dissing either here, I love GD's stuff, just explaining a connection. :-) )
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by nombei on Jun 16, 2008 23:51:34 GMT 1, Denning got there because Micallef said "You gotta check out this guy in Bristol called Denning" (I'm not dissing either here, I love GD's stuff, just explaining a connection. :-) )
ah, now that you've said that i remember hearing about the Micallef connection.
Denning got there because Micallef said "You gotta check out this guy in Bristol called Denning" (I'm not dissing either here, I love GD's stuff, just explaining a connection. :-) ) ah, now that you've said that i remember hearing about the Micallef connection.
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by freeisthemagic on Jun 17, 2008 6:46:24 GMT 1, Is being a banker the same as being a wanker?
Is being a banker the same as being a wanker?
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by manty on Jun 17, 2008 8:17:28 GMT 1, i need to find a crack house brothel !!! ;D the way i see it, tagging and graffiti got the ball rolling and i am instantly suspect of any "street/urban artist" who doesn't carry a marker on them. i suppose it's all gotten a bit messy now because "street/urban art" has become a generic term just like "alternative" and "indie" in the music world. Another question for you, do you think that artists such as Guy Denning or Micallef (as easy examples, but there are many others) came out and said, "we're street." The way I see it is that galleries and promotors will pigeon-hole anything into a sellable market sector - exactly what you said - marketing. I don't think it's in any way fair to persecute the artists that just get on with their art and happen to have galleries successfully attach thos works to this new and flexible "genre." Any piece of art, simply is what it is. It's made to be liked or disliked. This marketing is not always down to the same artist that produces the work.
Sounds about right to me
Denning, Micallef, Francis, are in no way ' street ' but i spose can be clumped into this thing called Urban where anyone can be included I guess ?
i need to find a crack house brothel !!! ;D the way i see it, tagging and graffiti got the ball rolling and i am instantly suspect of any "street/urban artist" who doesn't carry a marker on them. i suppose it's all gotten a bit messy now because "street/urban art" has become a generic term just like "alternative" and "indie" in the music world. Another question for you, do you think that artists such as Guy Denning or Micallef (as easy examples, but there are many others) came out and said, "we're street." The way I see it is that galleries and promotors will pigeon-hole anything into a sellable market sector - exactly what you said - marketing. I don't think it's in any way fair to persecute the artists that just get on with their art and happen to have galleries successfully attach thos works to this new and flexible "genre." Any piece of art, simply is what it is. It's made to be liked or disliked. This marketing is not always down to the same artist that produces the work. Sounds about right to me Denning, Micallef, Francis, are in no way ' street ' but i spose can be clumped into this thing called Urban where anyone can be included I guess ?
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by Ruso on Jun 17, 2008 14:28:18 GMT 1, if you look here farm4.static.flickr.com/3063/2527969977_a879a53e04_o.jpg, there is a little interview with miscallef and he says he isnt a streetartist, pretty interesting...
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by Macdeee on Jun 17, 2008 14:42:09 GMT 1, Tags are put up to get up and be noticed, to mark your terratory, or mark where you have been.... Dogs piss on lamposts for EXACTLY the same reasons.
The answer to this question is yes.
Tags are put up to get up and be noticed, to mark your terratory, or mark where you have been.... Dogs piss on lamposts for EXACTLY the same reasons.
The answer to this question is yes.
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by Deleted on Jun 17, 2008 14:45:21 GMT 1, some tags can be very clever, anagrams and so on. Not every 'grafitti' artists has a crappy tag. Yes your average 16yr old on the top deck of a bus is gonna scrawl but lets not forget banksy started of with tagging his name on a wall.
some tags can be very clever, anagrams and so on. Not every 'grafitti' artists has a crappy tag. Yes your average 16yr old on the top deck of a bus is gonna scrawl but lets not forget banksy started of with tagging his name on a wall.
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by stevenwhoreking on Jun 18, 2008 2:16:44 GMT 1, the difference between taggers and street artists is the difference between straights and gays.
the difference between taggers and street artists is the difference between straights and gays.
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by thebleedingedge on Jun 18, 2008 6:55:06 GMT 1, Tagging is the core of graffiti and the essence of this whole thing. It's about getting up, it also has a few functional side effects like letting people know where you've been, showing the current state of decay vs. regeneration and the only tool graffiti heads/street artists/whatever the f**k you wanna call em have against gentrification of an artform that relies on placement and shuns acceptance, which is in sheer contrast to say traditional art which craves acceptance and makes no use of location (other than using a gallery name to promote something). It's also a great tool for a street artist to "test the buff", they can hit a clean wall with a tag and wait to see if it gets buffed quickly so that they can invest more effort in a time consuming piece that they hope to stay up for longer than a week.
Do you like Anthony Lister? Because he tags as manman. Like mighty mo? He's tagging as elmo, I could do this with just about every street artist with roots in graffiti as opposed to street artists who came after the fact and pay no credit to graffiti for paving the way for what they do.
There is art in tags, there is creativity but it is hard to notice if you don't know about the fundementals which to me are that the art is the act, then you have the calligraphy the connects, the flow of the letters, the structure (it's hard to be original with letters and have them ledgible) plus you wouldn't have 2 of the same letters together a lot of the time (e's and o's are different though) then your tag is about efficiency too and with a variety of instruments. Flow with a can is different to flow with a marker, so to achieve a uniform look between the two takes skill and that comes with practise. The reason you don't like tags is because they aren't for you, it's about getting up to other writers, it's about saying I am apart of this sub culture, which is in sheer contrast to putting up something with very readable text that would get you up in the mainstream. Writers are very aware that you hate tags, writers are very aware that you think tags are put up by children (2 names I have been seeing everywhere lately, nook and ares... both not kids), it's a for us sort of thing.
The tags set up the whole game to be fair, they are the core of this very thing and have their place, especially because they aren't and won't be accepted. Remember this whole artform was thought of as vandalism, now it's just certain aspect of it, that's a good thing, it's good because that is part of the attraction to artists, it also makes it an anarchistic act, which is great for creativity and tells everyone that you might not be A OK with society.
Nylon has fine art and graff pieces, both of them are accepted and appreciated by normal people, but for the writers... it's special when they see a nylon tag. It's very much a neccessary evil if you are in the mainstream and like this artform but hate the tags.
FYI: when you see a larger piece, be it a dub or a piece, if it's saying someone's name.. that is not ever called a tag, I've seen throw ups and pieces called tags around here, just thought you should know so you don't sound like a cop if you ever have a chat with a graffiti artist.
Tagging is the core of graffiti and the essence of this whole thing. It's about getting up, it also has a few functional side effects like letting people know where you've been, showing the current state of decay vs. regeneration and the only tool graffiti heads/street artists/whatever the f**k you wanna call em have against gentrification of an artform that relies on placement and shuns acceptance, which is in sheer contrast to say traditional art which craves acceptance and makes no use of location (other than using a gallery name to promote something). It's also a great tool for a street artist to "test the buff", they can hit a clean wall with a tag and wait to see if it gets buffed quickly so that they can invest more effort in a time consuming piece that they hope to stay up for longer than a week.
Do you like Anthony Lister? Because he tags as manman. Like mighty mo? He's tagging as elmo, I could do this with just about every street artist with roots in graffiti as opposed to street artists who came after the fact and pay no credit to graffiti for paving the way for what they do.
There is art in tags, there is creativity but it is hard to notice if you don't know about the fundementals which to me are that the art is the act, then you have the calligraphy the connects, the flow of the letters, the structure (it's hard to be original with letters and have them ledgible) plus you wouldn't have 2 of the same letters together a lot of the time (e's and o's are different though) then your tag is about efficiency too and with a variety of instruments. Flow with a can is different to flow with a marker, so to achieve a uniform look between the two takes skill and that comes with practise. The reason you don't like tags is because they aren't for you, it's about getting up to other writers, it's about saying I am apart of this sub culture, which is in sheer contrast to putting up something with very readable text that would get you up in the mainstream. Writers are very aware that you hate tags, writers are very aware that you think tags are put up by children (2 names I have been seeing everywhere lately, nook and ares... both not kids), it's a for us sort of thing.
The tags set up the whole game to be fair, they are the core of this very thing and have their place, especially because they aren't and won't be accepted. Remember this whole artform was thought of as vandalism, now it's just certain aspect of it, that's a good thing, it's good because that is part of the attraction to artists, it also makes it an anarchistic act, which is great for creativity and tells everyone that you might not be A OK with society.
Nylon has fine art and graff pieces, both of them are accepted and appreciated by normal people, but for the writers... it's special when they see a nylon tag. It's very much a neccessary evil if you are in the mainstream and like this artform but hate the tags.
FYI: when you see a larger piece, be it a dub or a piece, if it's saying someone's name.. that is not ever called a tag, I've seen throw ups and pieces called tags around here, just thought you should know so you don't sound like a cop if you ever have a chat with a graffiti artist.
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by thebleedingedge on Jun 18, 2008 7:01:28 GMT 1, sorry just to cite something above (since I probably won't be here when someone extremely "knowledgable" brings the hate and says something like the difference between a street artist and tagger is the difference between straights and gays).. look at the eyebrows of this piece by lister: flickr.com/photos/invisiblemadevisible/2220492711/
Now look at the tags next to this collabo piece with lister and sickboy: flickr.com/photos/11928372@N04/2248482431/
Lister is manman... and the same is true with soooo many street artists, even pasty ones. OK, I know someone would probably say, that's different, it's next to a piece or in a piece, but I can tell you 8 spots off the top of my head where you will find plain tags from the guy that you would assume were from a 16 year old, the best one to illustrate my point is one done in tipex in a piss smelling phone booth right outside the entrance to Bethnal Green station and obviously, do I even need to mention the loo in foundry.
It's part of the game, they aren't going anywhere, and thank f**k for that, purest thing about "outsider art" at the moment. Just remember that with labels like "outsider art" it would imply that the practitioners are very aware they work outside of accepted norms, so tagging is just par for the course, especially today.
My question to you guys, and I am trying to ask it in the nicest possible way so I get answers instead of hate, but how come until there is money involved it is considered vile and nonsensical? Obviously I don;t need to remind you that this was true of the entire genre not so long ago, and that infact a lot of people still consider this to be true of the art you purchase and adore today.
FYI: Before people mention private property, I would like to add that hitting peoples houses is not really accepted within the subculture, it's not really something people get off on, but any public or commercial property is fair game.
sorry just to cite something above (since I probably won't be here when someone extremely "knowledgable" brings the hate and says something like the difference between a street artist and tagger is the difference between straights and gays).. look at the eyebrows of this piece by lister: flickr.com/photos/invisiblemadevisible/2220492711/Now look at the tags next to this collabo piece with lister and sickboy: flickr.com/photos/11928372@N04/2248482431/Lister is manman... and the same is true with soooo many street artists, even pasty ones. OK, I know someone would probably say, that's different, it's next to a piece or in a piece, but I can tell you 8 spots off the top of my head where you will find plain tags from the guy that you would assume were from a 16 year old, the best one to illustrate my point is one done in tipex in a piss smelling phone booth right outside the entrance to Bethnal Green station and obviously, do I even need to mention the loo in foundry. It's part of the game, they aren't going anywhere, and thank f**k for that, purest thing about "outsider art" at the moment. Just remember that with labels like "outsider art" it would imply that the practitioners are very aware they work outside of accepted norms, so tagging is just par for the course, especially today. My question to you guys, and I am trying to ask it in the nicest possible way so I get answers instead of hate, but how come until there is money involved it is considered vile and nonsensical? Obviously I don;t need to remind you that this was true of the entire genre not so long ago, and that infact a lot of people still consider this to be true of the art you purchase and adore today. FYI: Before people mention private property, I would like to add that hitting peoples houses is not really accepted within the subculture, it's not really something people get off on, but any public or commercial property is fair game.
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by stender on Jun 18, 2008 8:31:58 GMT 1, I'm glad you added your FYi. Tagging Joe publics property is done by scum only! I had someone tag my front door and about 10 other houses in the same street. I found out who the tag belonged to and needless to say a good kicking in front of all his mates appeared to reabilitate him!
I'm glad you added your FYi. Tagging Joe publics property is done by scum only! I had someone tag my front door and about 10 other houses in the same street. I found out who the tag belonged to and needless to say a good kicking in front of all his mates appeared to reabilitate him!
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by Macdeee on Jun 18, 2008 8:50:36 GMT 1, Wow... Good response thebleedingedge. I agree with alot of the above and have mentioned before on this forum that a good tag takes alot of skill and imagination and not to mention big brass balls for getting up with a perminant marker or spraycan when its pretty easy these days to just put some stickers up instead of risking a prison term. I still include tags in the magazine because I really do feel its part of the scene and should be represented.
Tagging is part of graffiti. Graffiti is based around hardcore writing, trains, tracksides, dubs, tags (and stickers these days) but it also allows space for legal spots, halls of fames and Canvases and gallery shows. But after all this street art and graffiti are VERY different things and probably should be kept apart as cultures with just every now and again crossing paths.
I cant comment on money and how it has changed this scene, but in response to this... "how come until there is money involved it is considered vile and nonsensical?" The same could be said about graffiti artists... How come until street artists risk heavy jail time by using spraypaint, graffiti artists will always think of street art as a pussy sub-culture, pointless and clutching onto their culture?
Just look at HYB
www.hurtyoubad.com/
A pretty good site and pretty informative and I look at it daily because I have an interest in graffiti. But there is constant commenting on "art fags" (ie anything NOT hard core graffiti) this is why these two art forms if you like will never get on or should do.
Did any of that make any sense?
I didnt know that manman was Anthony Lister... Interesting. Are you sure Elmo is MM? I just thought they got up together alot. Interesting again.
Wow... Good response thebleedingedge. I agree with alot of the above and have mentioned before on this forum that a good tag takes alot of skill and imagination and not to mention big brass balls for getting up with a perminant marker or spraycan when its pretty easy these days to just put some stickers up instead of risking a prison term. I still include tags in the magazine because I really do feel its part of the scene and should be represented. Tagging is part of graffiti. Graffiti is based around hardcore writing, trains, tracksides, dubs, tags (and stickers these days) but it also allows space for legal spots, halls of fames and Canvases and gallery shows. But after all this street art and graffiti are VERY different things and probably should be kept apart as cultures with just every now and again crossing paths. I cant comment on money and how it has changed this scene, but in response to this... "how come until there is money involved it is considered vile and nonsensical?" The same could be said about graffiti artists... How come until street artists risk heavy jail time by using spraypaint, graffiti artists will always think of street art as a pussy sub-culture, pointless and clutching onto their culture? Just look at HYB www.hurtyoubad.com/A pretty good site and pretty informative and I look at it daily because I have an interest in graffiti. But there is constant commenting on "art fags" (ie anything NOT hard core graffiti) this is why these two art forms if you like will never get on or should do. Did any of that make any sense? I didnt know that manman was Anthony Lister... Interesting. Are you sure Elmo is MM? I just thought they got up together alot. Interesting again.
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by felix on Jun 18, 2008 8:57:26 GMT 1, Why on earth didn't you make this much sense in your posts the other day thebleedingedge ;D
Great response and a good read, thanks for the insight!
Why on earth didn't you make this much sense in your posts the other day thebleedingedge ;D
Great response and a good read, thanks for the insight!
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by insite on Jun 18, 2008 10:13:56 GMT 1, I'm glad you added your FYi. Tagging Joe publics property is done by scum only! I had someone tag my front door and about 10 other houses in the same street. I found out who the tag belonged to and needless to say a good kicking in front of all his mates appeared to reabilitate him!
Interesting set of moral standards you've got there, vandalism bad, violence good. So how old was this scum that you so bravely assaulted ?
I'm glad you added your FYi. Tagging Joe publics property is done by scum only! I had someone tag my front door and about 10 other houses in the same street. I found out who the tag belonged to and needless to say a good kicking in front of all his mates appeared to reabilitate him! Interesting set of moral standards you've got there, vandalism bad, violence good. So how old was this scum that you so bravely assaulted ?
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by Prescription Art on Jun 18, 2008 12:03:03 GMT 1, Great posts bleedingedge
Great posts bleedingedge
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by stender on Jun 18, 2008 12:11:07 GMT 1, Interesting set of moral standards you've got there, vandalism bad, violence good. So how old was this scum that you so bravely assaulted ?
Bigger and older than me. East end law was the only option, police wouldn't care. They knew who he was but couldn't prove it.
Interesting set of moral standards you've got there, vandalism bad, violence good. So how old was this scum that you so bravely assaulted ? Bigger and older than me. East end law was the only option, police wouldn't care. They knew who he was but couldn't prove it.
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Is tagging the same as dogs pissing up lamposts, by Avian Security on Jun 18, 2008 14:41:19 GMT 1, Very good articulate posts from the bleeding edge there, I think I understand now why writers don't like my stuff. It's because it's made to be liked, whereas tags are deliberately put there as a big 'fuck you' to society in general. So if I put something up because I think it's humourous or a snappy image or whatever, writers will think I'm a sellout artfag wanker who's jumped on Banksy's coat-tails. It's as inevitable as the sun rising. Thank you for that explanation, no sarcasm here, I'll probably have a bit more grudging respect for tags from now.
Very good articulate posts from the bleeding edge there, I think I understand now why writers don't like my stuff. It's because it's made to be liked, whereas tags are deliberately put there as a big 'fuck you' to society in general. So if I put something up because I think it's humourous or a snappy image or whatever, writers will think I'm a sellout artfag wanker who's jumped on Banksy's coat-tails. It's as inevitable as the sun rising. Thank you for that explanation, no sarcasm here, I'll probably have a bit more grudging respect for tags from now.
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