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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by slowmo on Apr 4, 2008 23:14:18 GMT 1, Dear street artist, these areas are now an advertising board pushing the street art brand. Its getting embarrassing. Move out and see how strong your work is in other areas now please, its getting stupid. In many casse you have become the very thing you rallied against.
I'm sick of hand painted paste ups that say nothing, placed anywhere in these areas where you're sure to get flickr attention.
Sorry, but I am, rant over
Dear street artist, these areas are now an advertising board pushing the street art brand. Its getting embarrassing. Move out and see how strong your work is in other areas now please, its getting stupid. In many casse you have become the very thing you rallied against.
I'm sick of hand painted paste ups that say nothing, placed anywhere in these areas where you're sure to get flickr attention.
Sorry, but I am, rant over
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by romanywg on Apr 4, 2008 23:34:41 GMT 1, I agree, it would be nice to see other areas hit as much as the East End. With C215 we ventured into Covent Garden and Trafalgar Square. Next time the South Bank. I'm surprised the more central areas with far more 'traffic' don't get hit more.
I agree, it would be nice to see other areas hit as much as the East End. With C215 we ventured into Covent Garden and Trafalgar Square. Next time the South Bank. I'm surprised the more central areas with far more 'traffic' don't get hit more.
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by bullet on Apr 4, 2008 23:37:51 GMT 1, theres loads of space invader and dface stuff in covent garden, you just have to look (not in the plaza which is tourist central)
theres loads of space invader and dface stuff in covent garden, you just have to look (not in the plaza which is tourist central)
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by slowmo on Apr 4, 2008 23:40:32 GMT 1, Thats true Jboy, but also the point, you have to look and there they are. The Hox/Shor/Spits area is like an argos catalogue of street s**t. I love finding Arofish in Deptford, Phil frost on a skate shop on neals yard. Why cant theses guys leave that part of town and work on getting up in places where they stand out, unless its all about exposure, rendering the area a billboard?
Thats true Jboy, but also the point, you have to look and there they are. The Hox/Shor/Spits area is like an argos catalogue of street s**t. I love finding Arofish in Deptford, Phil frost on a skate shop on neals yard. Why cant theses guys leave that part of town and work on getting up in places where they stand out, unless its all about exposure, rendering the area a billboard?
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by They call me Stephen on Apr 4, 2008 23:43:33 GMT 1, Shoreditch, hoxton & old street way are super heavily saturated but that's what helps to make it so unique and interesting. Definately agree with Slowmo though, it's about time other areas got some attention. Hackney's coming up strong but it's only a stones throw away.
Maybe i'm being blind but I don't seem to see that much stuff around soho these days
Shoreditch, hoxton & old street way are super heavily saturated but that's what helps to make it so unique and interesting. Definately agree with Slowmo though, it's about time other areas got some attention. Hackney's coming up strong but it's only a stones throw away.
Maybe i'm being blind but I don't seem to see that much stuff around soho these days
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by ROLLINS on Apr 5, 2008 7:12:08 GMT 1, I think the reason why there's so much stuff in the area is: that writers/artist's know that they can get away with it over there as the whole area is considered "arty" and run little risk of being caught (how many street artist's must there be in Shoreditch?? They must be 10 a penny!!!!). What's the point of getting up in Streatham? who's going to see it?
I'm not knock the graff artist's who make the world a better place to look at, but please could they broaden thier horizons. You should still have to go "all city" to get a good name, not just one part of town.
I think the reason why there's so much stuff in the area is: that writers/artist's know that they can get away with it over there as the whole area is considered "arty" and run little risk of being caught (how many street artist's must there be in Shoreditch?? They must be 10 a penny!!!!). What's the point of getting up in Streatham? who's going to see it?
I'm not knock the graff artist's who make the world a better place to look at, but please could they broaden thier horizons. You should still have to go "all city" to get a good name, not just one part of town.
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by pezlow on Apr 5, 2008 7:29:09 GMT 1, I'd like to see more stuff in South london - I can't believe the risk of arrest is any higher in Brixton or camberwell than it is in shoreditch.
There is some stuff up - someone does a very stylish stencil of an eagle that is everywhere.
I'd like to see more stuff in South london - I can't believe the risk of arrest is any higher in Brixton or camberwell than it is in shoreditch.
There is some stuff up - someone does a very stylish stencil of an eagle that is everywhere.
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by eddiedangerous on Apr 5, 2008 9:16:18 GMT 1, there is a vibrant street art movement throughout London with much lesser artists reping there particular areas, focus, trans, lucas, tane etc. These guys dont really venture into the Shoreditch area because they dont feel part of the clique, and yet the areas they paint are cleaned much more regularly and effectively. Might I suggest you are asking a lot of Hoxton artists to move out of their areas, and in the same way they do not feel comfortable. You have to also take into account the different local boroughs which generally treat graffiti differently from boarder to boarder. Where in Streatham or Tooting for example they may well push charges if caught. However history has shown, the problem is so bad out east, I think they hope the regeneration of the area for the olympics will eventually stamp out the graf, there is little chance of prosecution as the borough is so poor, and currently has a lot of other things on its mind! Personally I feel the council are gonna tighten up towards the olympic games which will force alot of the artists into different areas, but I think really it will only spread out os far as Dalston and Hackney in the way it is going at the moment.
Also when artists move into more central areas and paint, the stuff is buffed before the masses get to see it, i understand the points you've made, but I kinda like the vibe in Hoxton, it wont be like that forever, enjoy it now whilst you still can...we will lament it when its gone, when the sterile whitewashed walls of hoxton only reflect the white teeth and echo the accents of american tourists aksing you way to Brick Lane Emporio Armani shop, before they catch the cross link over to the olympic stadium!
there is a vibrant street art movement throughout London with much lesser artists reping there particular areas, focus, trans, lucas, tane etc. These guys dont really venture into the Shoreditch area because they dont feel part of the clique, and yet the areas they paint are cleaned much more regularly and effectively. Might I suggest you are asking a lot of Hoxton artists to move out of their areas, and in the same way they do not feel comfortable. You have to also take into account the different local boroughs which generally treat graffiti differently from boarder to boarder. Where in Streatham or Tooting for example they may well push charges if caught. However history has shown, the problem is so bad out east, I think they hope the regeneration of the area for the olympics will eventually stamp out the graf, there is little chance of prosecution as the borough is so poor, and currently has a lot of other things on its mind! Personally I feel the council are gonna tighten up towards the olympic games which will force alot of the artists into different areas, but I think really it will only spread out os far as Dalston and Hackney in the way it is going at the moment.
Also when artists move into more central areas and paint, the stuff is buffed before the masses get to see it, i understand the points you've made, but I kinda like the vibe in Hoxton, it wont be like that forever, enjoy it now whilst you still can...we will lament it when its gone, when the sterile whitewashed walls of hoxton only reflect the white teeth and echo the accents of american tourists aksing you way to Brick Lane Emporio Armani shop, before they catch the cross link over to the olympic stadium!
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by eddiedangerous on Apr 5, 2008 9:27:34 GMT 1, I'd like to see more stuff in South london - I can't believe the risk of arrest is any higher in Brixton or camberwell than it is in shoreditch. There is some stuff up - someone does a very stylish stencil of an eagle that is everywhere.
i would suggest however that in Brixton there is a more apparent drugs problem, and the policing in Brixton is much more hardcore than Hoxton. In Brixton I think the policing of graf crime just gets soaked up and rolled in with the policing of drugs crime, which leaves a much higher chance of getting caught and convicted. Camberwell has quite a bit of graf and street art but generally south of the river seems to be much less tolerant of graffiti, not only the authorities but the residents too, its a much more residential zone.
I'd like to see more stuff in South london - I can't believe the risk of arrest is any higher in Brixton or camberwell than it is in shoreditch. There is some stuff up - someone does a very stylish stencil of an eagle that is everywhere. i would suggest however that in Brixton there is a more apparent drugs problem, and the policing in Brixton is much more hardcore than Hoxton. In Brixton I think the policing of graf crime just gets soaked up and rolled in with the policing of drugs crime, which leaves a much higher chance of getting caught and convicted. Camberwell has quite a bit of graf and street art but generally south of the river seems to be much less tolerant of graffiti, not only the authorities but the residents too, its a much more residential zone. |
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by daley on Apr 5, 2008 9:44:38 GMT 1, I know what you are saying. However, I live on a very boring street in a very ordinary area of London although I still see quirky little logo's, drawing and hand made stickers etc on phone boxes and walls. Hoxton is known for the bigger stuff/names but there are people out there doing their thang in places other than the usual haunting grounds.
I know what you are saying. However, I live on a very boring street in a very ordinary area of London although I still see quirky little logo's, drawing and hand made stickers etc on phone boxes and walls. Hoxton is known for the bigger stuff/names but there are people out there doing their thang in places other than the usual haunting grounds.
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by mcster on Apr 5, 2008 9:53:21 GMT 1, How about Peckham? A few artists should head down here, there are a few bits and pieces up the railway lines, but generally they are crap - great idea for a post, let's expand where we see the art a little. I talk a lot about Street Art and Graf, but most people have no idea what I'm talking about as all they see is the bottom end stuff. Hoxton is no now so cool it's uncool (if that makes sense).
How about Peckham? A few artists should head down here, there are a few bits and pieces up the railway lines, but generally they are crap - great idea for a post, let's expand where we see the art a little. I talk a lot about Street Art and Graf, but most people have no idea what I'm talking about as all they see is the bottom end stuff. Hoxton is no now so cool it's uncool (if that makes sense).
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by pezlow on Apr 5, 2008 9:56:54 GMT 1, Yeah peckham would be cool. A lot of artists hang out in camberwell and peckham due to the art colleges in Camberwell and Lewisham. A bit of quality street art really wouldn't go amiss.
Yeah peckham would be cool. A lot of artists hang out in camberwell and peckham due to the art colleges in Camberwell and Lewisham. A bit of quality street art really wouldn't go amiss.
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by mcster on Apr 5, 2008 10:02:10 GMT 1, Yeah peckham would be cool. A lot of artists hang out in camberwell and peckham due to the art colleges in Camberwell and Lewisham. A bit of quality street art really wouldn't go amiss.
The only half decent thing I've seen is a paste-up on the burnt out pub (can't remember the name of it) on Peckham Road. There's not that many Police around here either, and the ones that are about are escorting Politicians in stab proof vests....
Yeah peckham would be cool. A lot of artists hang out in camberwell and peckham due to the art colleges in Camberwell and Lewisham. A bit of quality street art really wouldn't go amiss. The only half decent thing I've seen is a paste-up on the burnt out pub (can't remember the name of it) on Peckham Road. There's not that many Police around here either, and the ones that are about are escorting Politicians in stab proof vests.... |
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by Pure Evil on Apr 5, 2008 10:26:41 GMT 1, The Hox/Shor/Spits area is like an argos catalogue of street s**t.
Im sorry but I have to call bullshiit on that.. Its RUBBISH south of the river... If I was Mayor of London I would demolish the whole lot and make it into a nice big beach so everybody in the East End could have a nice place to sunbathe and enjoy the sunset... make London a bit a bit like Rio ... East End favelas with a nice beach..
The East End is the epicentre.... have you seen the new C215 stuff around ?? thats what makes it AWESOME to live east and die young, theres always new stuff going up... Its not an Argos, its a massive sketchbook , but one thats continually erased and painted over.... without people like BAST and FAILE killing it in the EE there wouldnt be half the reaction on the streets... and people see things going up and they want to get up too... or they plan their trip to London so they have time to search the east end for new art....
True , there is a bunch of rubbish going up on the streets too, but thats freedom baby...
Hackney Council are BUGGING about the amount of stuff thats going on in their borough... they are desperate to clean up the streets and want to start charging businesses to clean up graffiti in the streets , like they have done in San Francisco, and they are going around flashing their badges like they are SERPICO threatening people with 20,000 pound fines for graffiti crimes...
Graff artists and street artists are clashing for space and ITS ALL GOOD.
The Hox/Shor/Spits area is like an argos catalogue of street s**t. Im sorry but I have to call bullshiit on that.. Its RUBBISH south of the river... If I was Mayor of London I would demolish the whole lot and make it into a nice big beach so everybody in the East End could have a nice place to sunbathe and enjoy the sunset... make London a bit a bit like Rio ... East End favelas with a nice beach.. The East End is the epicentre.... have you seen the new C215 stuff around ?? thats what makes it AWESOME to live east and die young, theres always new stuff going up... Its not an Argos, its a massive sketchbook , but one thats continually erased and painted over.... without people like BAST and FAILE killing it in the EE there wouldnt be half the reaction on the streets... and people see things going up and they want to get up too... or they plan their trip to London so they have time to search the east end for new art.... True , there is a bunch of rubbish going up on the streets too, but thats freedom baby... Hackney Council are BUGGING about the amount of stuff thats going on in their borough... they are desperate to clean up the streets and want to start charging businesses to clean up graffiti in the streets , like they have done in San Francisco, and they are going around flashing their badges like they are SERPICO threatening people with 20,000 pound fines for graffiti crimes... Graff artists and street artists are clashing for space and ITS ALL GOOD. |
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by romanywg on Apr 5, 2008 10:28:41 GMT 1, great idea for a post, let's expand where we see the art a little.[/quote]
Here is my local graffiti. Amazing works of art that nobody get's to see except the graffers.
www.flickr.com/photos/romanywg/sets/72157603924436390/
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by Guest on Apr 5, 2008 10:30:33 GMT 1, like the beach idea.
like the beach idea.
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by danvnuk on Apr 5, 2008 10:33:19 GMT 1, If I was Mayor of London I would demolish the whole lot and make it into a nice big beach so everybody in the East End could have a nice place to sunbathe and enjoy the sunset... make London a bit a bit like Rio ... East End favelas with a nice beach..
Pure Evil gets my vote for Mayor.
;D
If I was Mayor of London I would demolish the whole lot and make it into a nice big beach so everybody in the East End could have a nice place to sunbathe and enjoy the sunset... make London a bit a bit like Rio ... East End favelas with a nice beach.. Pure Evil gets my vote for Mayor. ;D |
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by eddiedangerous on Apr 5, 2008 10:40:04 GMT 1, Yeah I second that, I like the rio beach idea, let get pure evil into power, bad bad things would happen then!!!!
Yeah I second that, I like the rio beach idea, let get pure evil into power, bad bad things would happen then!!!!
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by eddiedangerous on Apr 5, 2008 11:08:01 GMT 1, 
It is out there...you just got to look harder for it...thats all!!
Or not!!!!...
Camberwell Snooker Club
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by mammal2 on Apr 5, 2008 11:35:09 GMT 1, You forgot the Banksy around the corner Eddie. oi oi
You forgot the Banksy around the corner Eddie. oi oi
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by eddiedangerous on Apr 5, 2008 11:36:10 GMT 1, some things are best kept secret!!!!!!!!!
some things are best kept secret!!!!!!!!!
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by slowmo on Apr 5, 2008 12:50:18 GMT 1, certainly not pure evil for nothing, I don't see anything wrong with down sarf myself. But a beach would be nice.
certainly not pure evil for nothing, I don't see anything wrong with down sarf myself. But a beach would be nice.
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by romanywg on Apr 5, 2008 12:54:17 GMT 1, Pearly Pure Evil for Major. Is it too late to start a campaign?
Pearly Pure Evil for Major. Is it too late to start a campaign?
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by They call me Stephen on Apr 5, 2008 13:04:06 GMT 1, well his policies sound alot better than those other two jokers running for it
well his policies sound alot better than those other two jokers running for it
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by Pure Evil on Apr 5, 2008 13:08:52 GMT 1, It IS true that we need to get our arses out of the east end though, I was just having a giggle..
It IS true that we need to get our arses out of the east end though, I was just having a giggle..
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by mcster on Apr 5, 2008 18:54:23 GMT 1, Seen a couple of nice pieces from the train today, one at Wandsworth Road Railway Station and another, that may be by the same artist, between Queens Road Peckham and South Bermondsey. Nothing ground breaking, but well executed and colourful.
Seen a couple of nice pieces from the train today, one at Wandsworth Road Railway Station and another, that may be by the same artist, between Queens Road Peckham and South Bermondsey. Nothing ground breaking, but well executed and colourful.
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by ROLLINS on Apr 6, 2008 7:57:36 GMT 1, What a load of toss.
Everyone that now lives up that way isn't a native. They are all graphic designers who's mum and dad's live in Epsom or Surbiton and are "slumming" it in the city!!
It's not the centre of the earth.
What a load of toss.
Everyone that now lives up that way isn't a native. They are all graphic designers who's mum and dad's live in Epsom or Surbiton and are "slumming" it in the city!!
It's not the centre of the earth.
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by ROLLINS on Apr 6, 2008 8:03:11 GMT 1, AND.................
Remember what happened to the trains back the 70's/80's in NYC. All the good artists where gone over by the Toys and that was the death of that. I can see that happening now if everyones fighting for space.
PE's right - You do need to get out of the EE.
PLus - I won't vote for you 
Phew - rant over!!!
AND................. Remember what happened to the trains back the 70's/80's in NYC. All the good artists where gone over by the Toys and that was the death of that. I can see that happening now if everyones fighting for space. PE's right - You do need to get out of the EE. PLus - I won't vote for you Phew - rant over!!! |
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by Pure Evil on Apr 6, 2008 11:26:55 GMT 1, 
London Bridge... thats south of the river, JUST.
Theres a nice Insect piece under a bridge near here too...
London Bridge... thats south of the river, JUST. Theres a nice Insect piece under a bridge near here too... |
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Goodbye shoreditch/hoxton/old street, by carbon on Apr 7, 2008 17:24:22 GMT 1, can you blame an artist for wanting to put art in an area he/she knows itl be apreciated?
these arnt jolly street performers, these people are breaking the law to put something nice up, surely not a risk worth taking in an area where itl go largely unnoticed. Sure because of this the old st area has very much become a honeypot for this kind of activity, but thats led to it being accepted, which has led to the peices staying up for months, sometimes years, you just wouldnt get that kind of acceptance to illegal graff in many of the other london boroughs. Surely happy days all round. No?
can you blame an artist for wanting to put art in an area he/she knows itl be apreciated?
these arnt jolly street performers, these people are breaking the law to put something nice up, surely not a risk worth taking in an area where itl go largely unnoticed. Sure because of this the old st area has very much become a honeypot for this kind of activity, but thats led to it being accepted, which has led to the peices staying up for months, sometimes years, you just wouldnt get that kind of acceptance to illegal graff in many of the other london boroughs. Surely happy days all round. No?
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