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LOL coach this is going to be a crazy thread.

Not really saying that killing him was technically right or wrong if he was unarmed... I can't imagine Navy Seals reducing their testosterone enough to not let a few extra bullets fly. I don't think I would want him alive though... just look at KSM who we have had in custody for years and years... almost spending millions of dollars to give him a trial in New York and millions of people having to relive 9-11 because of his part in it.

And as for not letting Pakistan know or saying they didnt know, I think it was the right choice as well as they can't really be blamed for knowing/helping the US. Just look at what happened today in Pakistan where 80+ people were killed in retaliation for the BL killing... it is crazy... they kill each other and the Americans are blamed for it all.

God know we make mistakes... and I am surprised I agree with most of what happened.

In the meantime you really are stupid! Dezz77

May 10, 2011 "Information Clearing House" -- -When he announced that Osama bin Laden had been killed by a Navy Seal team in Pakistan, President Barack Obama said, “Justice has been done.” Mr. Obama misused the word, "justice" when he made that statement. He should have said, "Retaliation has been accomplished." A former professor of constitutional law should know the difference between those two concepts. The word "justice" implies an act of applying or upholding the law.

Targeted assassinations violate well-established principles of international law. Also called political assassinations, they are extrajudicial executions. These are unlawful and deliberate killings carried out by order of, or with the acquiescence of, a government, outside any judicial framework.

Extrajudicial executions are unlawful, even in armed conflict. In a 1998 report, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions noted that “extrajudicial executions can never be justified under any circumstances, not even in time of war.” The U.N. General Assembly and Human Rights Commission, as well as Amnesty International, have all condemned extrajudicial executions.

In spite of its illegality, the Obama administration frequently uses targeted assassinations to accomplish its goals. Five days after executing Osama bin Laden, Mr. Obama tried to bring “justice” to U.S. citizen Anwar al-Awlaki, who has not been charged with any crime in the United States. The unmanned drone attack in Yemen missed al-Awlaki and killed two people “believed to be al Qaeda militants,” according to a CBS/AP bulletin.

Two days before the Yemen attack, U.S. drones killed 15 people in Pakistan and wounded four. Since the March 17 drone attack that killed 44 people, also in Pakistan, there have been four drone strikes. In 2010, American drones carried out 111 strikes. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan says that 957 civilians were killed in 2010.

The United States disavowed the use of extrajudicial killings under President Gerald Ford. After the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence disclosed in 1975 that the CIA had been involved in several murders or attempted murders of foreign leaders, President Ford issued an executive order banning assassinations. Every succeeding president until George W. Bush renewed that order. However, the Clinton administration targeted Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan, but narrowly missed him.

In July 2001, the U.S. Ambassador to Israel denounced Israel’s policy of targeted killings, or “preemptive operations.” He said “the United States government is very clearly on the record as against targeted assassinations. They are extrajudicial killings, and we do not support that.”

Yet after September 11, 2001, former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer invited the killing of Saddam Hussein: “The cost of one bullet, if the Iraqi people take it on themselves, is substantially less” than the cost of war. Shortly thereafter, Bush issued a secret directive, which authorized the CIA to target suspected terrorists for assassination when it would be impractical to capture them and when large-scale civilian casualties could be avoided.

In November 2002, Bush reportedly authorized the CIA to assassinate a suspected Al Qaeda leader in Yemen. He and five traveling companions were killed in the hit, which Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz described as a “very successful tactical operation.”

After the Holocaust, Winston Churchill wanted to execute the Nazi leaders without trials. But the U.S. government opposed the extrajudicial executions of Nazi officials who had committed genocide against millions of people. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson, who served as chief prosecutor at the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, told President Harry Truman: “We could execute or otherwise punish [the Nazi leaders] without a hearing. But undiscriminating executions or punishments without definite findings of guilt, fairly arrived at, would … not set easily on the American conscience or be remembered by children with pride.”

Osama bin Laden and the “suspected militants” targeted in drone attacks should have been arrested and tried in U.S. courts or an international tribunal. Obama cannot serve as judge, jury and executioner. These assassinations are not only illegal; they create a dangerous precedent, which could be used to justify the targeted killings of U.S. leaders.

No, they didn't...that fairytale was changed too.The whole sorry tale has been changed every day for nearly two weeks.
No wonder conspiracies abound...20 minute firefight,NO firefight,wife used as shield,wife NOT used as shield,armed then unarmed, The Whitehouse watching live, then NOT watching live etc etc.
Why the changing story?at first I put it down to the Fog of War, but after hearing there was no shootout even that doesn't add up...
No big mates with OBL either, but this whole thing stinks to me.
Why the ever-changing story??

If they just said "We found him and a team was sent in with the specific task to to kill him because the reprisal hostage taking that would have ensued from his capture would have been horrific" most of us would have said OK thats reasonable. But the ever changing story has caused a lot of people to start questioning the action.

My personnal view is that he never gave any of the victims murdered either by his direct action, carried out on his bequest on in his name, any chance whatsoever, so I have no problem with his summery execution. Sometimes leaders of countries have to make some hard decisions. Most of us can accept that and its about time governments started telling it like it is.

Who cares how or why , he is dead and for that i am glad whether it was purely for revenge or even legal i really couldn't care less ,the same as the 91yr old Nazi just brought to justice i couldn't care less about his age or health as long as justice is finally done
just my opinion of course

It was blatant murder, regardless of how many people he killed, the death penalty is always wrong.

People say he killed thousands of people, which he did, but let's no forget Bush, Blair et al have murdered millions of INNOCENT people throughout their campaigns.

If Bin Laden was put on trail it would only be fair if the entire British and American government along with their European counterparts be put on trail for their occupations and genocides that they have committed. The British have murdered more people than any other 'civilised' nation in history, fact. They have also been involved in more than 40 armed conflicts since the creation of Israel.

I don't have a problem paying taxes full stop and wouldn't care if I had to pay to keep him incarcerated as it were as a taxpayer and contributor to societies running.

It's wrong to point the finger at one person who has committed atrocities but to completely ignore and not denounce the actions of Obama or whoever who quite frankly promote a concept of legal killing, which doesn't make any sense.

Lets face it, the only reasons the Americans didn't take him alive is because they worked out the odds of US and Western Nationals being kidnapped and held to ransom for his release.

Very true, google Tim Osman.. CIA agent