Urban Art Association

Thanks for this Jboy.

People must remember the eastern european gang at the front of the CYW queue, with the boss handing out cash to his minions right in front of the POW bouncers. What did POW do? Fuck all, even though they could see them right at the head of the queue, knowing they would attempt to flip those different colourways as a full set within 24 hours.

Would you attempt to chuck someone out of a queue who had 5 big mates and was a good size himself - just because you thought he was a flipper, spot seller, etc?

Do you propose POW ask "Judge Judy" to decide how should be allowed to stand in the queue. How about a Banksy IQ test - but would that be fair on people that don't speak english (they can like Banksy too) or who are shit at exams?

Is it as wrong for the wealthy criminal (making the criminal assumption - as standard "forum banter") sending "workers" to queue - as much as it is the student wanting some money to pay for board/lodging and a few beers?

Stories always have two sides - we live in a free market, just because something is precious to you, its not to everyone else.

But what is precious - the art, the ownership, the paper, the future value. Lets be honest - money is a massive factor for all of us.

£500 for a bit of printed paper - are we mad?

could be worse it could be released in a rough part of the UK

I agree in some cases its hard to tell and they understandably fall through the net. buuuuut there's a lot of blatant crap going on.. e.g.... take your kids to buy an invader each......

photo id check the queue at set intervals leading up to the opening and issue ticket numbers to the logged names
require photo id upon purchase that matches your allocated queue position
1 per credit/debit card (which has to match logged queue name)
1 per person
1 per household
no cash purchases
over 18's purchase only (id check)
Queue managed by security
Ban people who try to push in (which should be obvious after checking queue sheet)

Writing some names on raffle tickets would suffice.....

Unless of course the Daily Fails article (which i haven't read and have no intention of adding to their website hits) is talking about black people who work on market stalls and hang around in a gang.

They are that petty, so this might be what they mean.

No cash purchases would stop the majority of it.. Totally agree with that.

Plus you dont get 250 people with £500 cash on each person sitting on a dodgy street all night. Its actually quite apalling that people are made to do that.

Imagine if someone robbed the queue. That would just be mental.

don't really enjoy getting in on these debates... but there's something going on here lately that reads strange and angry... but anyways...

silly feedback and not meant to to antagonistic at all - just an uninformed humble view... but, before 'public forums' and the internet - things got popular!... how so? need to look back and remember!

that said, most people who use the internet and these public forums haven't a clue about how the internet is actually configured and how it is actually used - sad, but true... the human psyche manipulation potential is insane! - but, that just assumes weakness... but, anyways...

Did not really understand what was said there...

People could.........and i know im being a bit leftfield here................but people could vote with their feet and think "im put in a bad situation, and by being here im making it worse for people next time too" and stay away, i mean we gotta admit to ourselves why we do this, and is it for "the art" or the money or the one up manship, dare I say prestige?

a guy I work with was telling me about him and his cousin standing outside a shoe store as they had 25 pairs of a nike shoe, and they probably all ended up on ebay and dudes were prowling trying to buy spaces etc - and im sure there is some sneaker forum with people posting "but im s true fan" "i saw it first" and "i was in to Jordans when he was a size 11 or something equally dumb.

stay safe, support those who support you, its that simple.

sounds like a shin busting skateboard trick!

its a toughie, its like gig tickets, i remember cueing outside Stargreen for hours once for Pixies tickets, i had a laptop with infra red connection to my phone (2001!) and was online trying to book, on 2 phones calling and 3 feet from the door........all sold out, i moaned at a girl inside when 9am rolled by and they went to "sold out" instantly and she said "they are on ebay" and that was it for me - heart broken, "they" won etc - and the only way to stop it is by not buying buying from touts so they wont have a business.......I buy a lot of art and sell a bit too, i like the thrill of opening new pieces and getting stoked on having them up in the lounge for a few months and then selling them on when im over it, i buy cheap stuff and sell it on pretty cheap and when i have enough in my account i buy a more expensive piece - maybe i flipped some obey prints that were a let down, but it was all in aid to get a Micallef on the chimney breast....but totally see there is a pair or arguments here, 1: who has the right to get preferential treatment because they are a fan, or lots of post counts on a forum.........and 2: who has the right to make a quick quid....elitism v capitalism im afraid.

only 2 solutions i can think of:

1: print 100s more and cheaper....its all about the art right?

or my preferred

2: have the print for sale for one day and how many it sells is how many its limited by.

Or you know dont bother selling from a location

Weird? I'd say that's the snobbery we're supposed to be against.

Don't know what's meritable about that....what about those that are new to the scene, can't afford secondary market prices or have never had any luck on previous lotteries?

The world is a mad place