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A Warning To Forum Members, by johnnyh on Apr 3, 2012 15:38:53 GMT 1, Lucky for me, my collection is... C R A P!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Where as mine is amazing.
Made up of photos of other peoples pieces to be fair.
But amazing all the same. Would never sell them ;D ;D
Lucky for me, my collection is... C R A P!!!! ;D ;D ;D Where as mine is amazing. Made up of photos of other peoples pieces to be fair. But amazing all the same. Would never sell them ;D ;D
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A Warning To Forum Members, by silvermyn on Apr 3, 2012 16:00:46 GMT 1, I just read this thread and Im not sure I understand how actually damaging this issue is!?.. I dont understand how it "damages the value of the piece of art you own", and Im curious about what the "many other negative repercussions" are!?... I see it is annoying and totally unfair, but I can't really see the real DAMAGE.. I dont really have any high end pieces, but if someone offered my Josh Keyes OG for sale, I'd be annoyed, but I'd be curious to hear what price was offered for it... if the price is lower than I'd hope/expect, that would be disappointing, and if it was higher, I'd be happy, but I dont see how this would seriously affect me, the value of work, Josh, or the gallery that originally sold the work!?.. I understand I might not find out the final price that my piece fetched, but if I was offered money I'd take for it (the particular piece is NOT for sale, so pls don't contact me about it), that would be a good deal for me.. if not, the deal wouldn't happen, and end of the story.. it would be annoying to see it being instantly resold for the bigger amount than I got, but those things happen all the time... I mean, I could find a buyer for lets say gold CYW for $2k, back it up with pictures and all, but that sale will never go through.. and the only thing that will suffer from it is my dignity and reputation, plus time that buyer put into it.. on the other hand, if I find a buyer for $120k, there is a big chance I could make the original owner, myself, and new owner quite happy with the deal... I understand there could be tons of different scenarios, but I can't think of any that would make this be a major, serious issue that should prevent people from sharing the images of their collections.. again, I don't own any high end pieces, so maybe this is where rules of the game change drastically..
I tend to agree with you on this sal and I don't see what all the fuss is about either.
IMO the only person who's reputation is seriously damaged is the guy who said he could get hold of a piece of work for an agreed price and then falls flat on his face when the owner refuses to sell to him.
Anyone handing cash over serious cash prior to inspecting a piece only has themselves to blame if the cash goes walkies ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png)
I just read this thread and Im not sure I understand how actually damaging this issue is!?.. I dont understand how it "damages the value of the piece of art you own", and Im curious about what the "many other negative repercussions" are!?... I see it is annoying and totally unfair, but I can't really see the real DAMAGE.. I dont really have any high end pieces, but if someone offered my Josh Keyes OG for sale, I'd be annoyed, but I'd be curious to hear what price was offered for it... if the price is lower than I'd hope/expect, that would be disappointing, and if it was higher, I'd be happy, but I dont see how this would seriously affect me, the value of work, Josh, or the gallery that originally sold the work!?.. I understand I might not find out the final price that my piece fetched, but if I was offered money I'd take for it (the particular piece is NOT for sale, so pls don't contact me about it), that would be a good deal for me.. if not, the deal wouldn't happen, and end of the story.. it would be annoying to see it being instantly resold for the bigger amount than I got, but those things happen all the time... I mean, I could find a buyer for lets say gold CYW for $2k, back it up with pictures and all, but that sale will never go through.. and the only thing that will suffer from it is my dignity and reputation, plus time that buyer put into it.. on the other hand, if I find a buyer for $120k, there is a big chance I could make the original owner, myself, and new owner quite happy with the deal... I understand there could be tons of different scenarios, but I can't think of any that would make this be a major, serious issue that should prevent people from sharing the images of their collections.. again, I don't own any high end pieces, so maybe this is where rules of the game change drastically.. I tend to agree with you on this sal and I don't see what all the fuss is about either. IMO the only person who's reputation is seriously damaged is the guy who said he could get hold of a piece of work for an agreed price and then falls flat on his face when the owner refuses to sell to him. Anyone handing cash over serious cash prior to inspecting a piece only has themselves to blame if the cash goes walkies ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png)
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A Warning To Forum Members, by Deleted on Apr 3, 2012 16:09:13 GMT 1, I just read this thread and Im not sure I understand how actually damaging this issue is!?.. I dont understand how it "damages the value of the piece of art you own", and Im curious about what the "many other negative repercussions" are!?... I see it is annoying and totally unfair, but I can't really see the real DAMAGE.. I dont really have any high end pieces, but if someone offered my Josh Keyes OG for sale, I'd be annoyed, but I'd be curious to hear what price was offered for it... if the price is lower than I'd hope/expect, that would be disappointing, and if it was higher, I'd be happy, but I dont see how this would seriously affect me, the value of work, Josh, or the gallery that originally sold the work!?.. I understand I might not find out the final price that my piece fetched, but if I was offered money I'd take for it (the particular piece is NOT for sale, so pls don't contact me about it), that would be a good deal for me.. if not, the deal wouldn't happen, and end of the story.. it would be annoying to see it being instantly resold for the bigger amount than I got, but those things happen all the time... I mean, I could find a buyer for lets say gold CYW for $2k, back it up with pictures and all, but that sale will never go through.. and the only thing that will suffer from it is my dignity and reputation, plus time that buyer put into it.. on the other hand, if I find a buyer for $120k, there is a big chance I could make the original owner, myself, and new owner quite happy with the deal... I understand there could be tons of different scenarios, but I can't think of any that would make this be a major, serious issue that should prevent people from sharing the images of their collections.. again, I don't own any high end pieces, so maybe this is where rules of the game change drastically..
1. If you buy a piece from a respectable gallery and then try and flip it, you can say goodbye to dealing with them again. Seeing the work you bought listed on numerous sites and shopped around could potentially damage years of building a trusting relationship with a gallery and/or artist.
I'm sure there are others..
I just read this thread and Im not sure I understand how actually damaging this issue is!?.. I dont understand how it "damages the value of the piece of art you own", and Im curious about what the "many other negative repercussions" are!?... I see it is annoying and totally unfair, but I can't really see the real DAMAGE.. I dont really have any high end pieces, but if someone offered my Josh Keyes OG for sale, I'd be annoyed, but I'd be curious to hear what price was offered for it... if the price is lower than I'd hope/expect, that would be disappointing, and if it was higher, I'd be happy, but I dont see how this would seriously affect me, the value of work, Josh, or the gallery that originally sold the work!?.. I understand I might not find out the final price that my piece fetched, but if I was offered money I'd take for it (the particular piece is NOT for sale, so pls don't contact me about it), that would be a good deal for me.. if not, the deal wouldn't happen, and end of the story.. it would be annoying to see it being instantly resold for the bigger amount than I got, but those things happen all the time... I mean, I could find a buyer for lets say gold CYW for $2k, back it up with pictures and all, but that sale will never go through.. and the only thing that will suffer from it is my dignity and reputation, plus time that buyer put into it.. on the other hand, if I find a buyer for $120k, there is a big chance I could make the original owner, myself, and new owner quite happy with the deal... I understand there could be tons of different scenarios, but I can't think of any that would make this be a major, serious issue that should prevent people from sharing the images of their collections.. again, I don't own any high end pieces, so maybe this is where rules of the game change drastically.. 1. If you buy a piece from a respectable gallery and then try and flip it, you can say goodbye to dealing with them again. Seeing the work you bought listed on numerous sites and shopped around could potentially damage years of building a trusting relationship with a gallery and/or artist. I'm sure there are others..
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A Warning To Forum Members, by fairplay1974 on Apr 3, 2012 16:16:54 GMT 1, I just read this thread and Im not sure I understand how actually damaging this issue is!?.. I dont understand how it "damages the value of the piece of art you own", and Im curious about what the "many other negative repercussions" are!?... I see it is annoying and totally unfair, but I can't really see the real DAMAGE.. I dont really have any high end pieces, but if someone offered my Josh Keyes OG for sale, I'd be annoyed, but I'd be curious to hear what price was offered for it... if the price is lower than I'd hope/expect, that would be disappointing, and if it was higher, I'd be happy, but I dont see how this would seriously affect me, the value of work, Josh, or the gallery that originally sold the work!?.. I understand I might not find out the final price that my piece fetched, but if I was offered money I'd take for it (the particular piece is NOT for sale, so pls don't contact me about it), that would be a good deal for me.. if not, the deal wouldn't happen, and end of the story.. it would be annoying to see it being instantly resold for the bigger amount than I got, but those things happen all the time... I mean, I could find a buyer for lets say gold CYW for $2k, back it up with pictures and all, but that sale will never go through.. and the only thing that will suffer from it is my dignity and reputation, plus time that buyer put into it.. on the other hand, if I find a buyer for $120k, there is a big chance I could make the original owner, myself, and new owner quite happy with the deal... I understand there could be tons of different scenarios, but I can't think of any that would make this be a major, serious issue that should prevent people from sharing the images of their collections.. again, I don't own any high end pieces, so maybe this is where rules of the game change drastically.. 1. If you buy a piece from a respectable gallery and then try and flip it, you can say goodbye to dealing with them again. Seeing the work you bought listed on numerous sites and shopped around could potentially damage years of building a trusting relationship with a gallery and/or artist. I'm sure there are others..
If you've built up a good relationship over years, then surely they would question you about the piece being for sale before black listing you? This is a potential annoyance, but easily overcome...As you're not trying to flip, someone who doesn't own it is!!
I just read this thread and Im not sure I understand how actually damaging this issue is!?.. I dont understand how it "damages the value of the piece of art you own", and Im curious about what the "many other negative repercussions" are!?... I see it is annoying and totally unfair, but I can't really see the real DAMAGE.. I dont really have any high end pieces, but if someone offered my Josh Keyes OG for sale, I'd be annoyed, but I'd be curious to hear what price was offered for it... if the price is lower than I'd hope/expect, that would be disappointing, and if it was higher, I'd be happy, but I dont see how this would seriously affect me, the value of work, Josh, or the gallery that originally sold the work!?.. I understand I might not find out the final price that my piece fetched, but if I was offered money I'd take for it (the particular piece is NOT for sale, so pls don't contact me about it), that would be a good deal for me.. if not, the deal wouldn't happen, and end of the story.. it would be annoying to see it being instantly resold for the bigger amount than I got, but those things happen all the time... I mean, I could find a buyer for lets say gold CYW for $2k, back it up with pictures and all, but that sale will never go through.. and the only thing that will suffer from it is my dignity and reputation, plus time that buyer put into it.. on the other hand, if I find a buyer for $120k, there is a big chance I could make the original owner, myself, and new owner quite happy with the deal... I understand there could be tons of different scenarios, but I can't think of any that would make this be a major, serious issue that should prevent people from sharing the images of their collections.. again, I don't own any high end pieces, so maybe this is where rules of the game change drastically.. 1. If you buy a piece from a respectable gallery and then try and flip it, you can say goodbye to dealing with them again. Seeing the work you bought listed on numerous sites and shopped around could potentially damage years of building a trusting relationship with a gallery and/or artist. I'm sure there are others.. If you've built up a good relationship over years, then surely they would question you about the piece being for sale before black listing you? This is a potential annoyance, but easily overcome...As you're not trying to flip, someone who doesn't own it is!!
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A Warning To Forum Members, by hotdog on Apr 3, 2012 16:31:44 GMT 1, If think the best option is if people are worried about it then they should try to add a watermark to their own images showing there name or email address.
that would just make it easier for people to get hold of you about your art if you put your name and email
if its not for sale why would you be worried if someone was trying to sell a print they dont have
if you meet in person you see the print or art before you pass over any money easy
![](http://i42.tinypic.com/35n1x68.jpg)
;D
If think the best option is if people are worried about it then they should try to add a watermark to their own images showing there name or email address. that would just make it easier for people to get hold of you about your art if you put your name and email if its not for sale why would you be worried if someone was trying to sell a print they dont have if you meet in person you see the print or art before you pass over any money easy ![](http://i42.tinypic.com/35n1x68.jpg) ;D
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A Warning To Forum Members, by curiousgeorge on Apr 3, 2012 17:00:21 GMT 1, Could be a bit more to this than meets the eye, given the turn-over rate of originals from the op?
Could be a bit more to this than meets the eye, given the turn-over rate of originals from the op?
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sal
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A Warning To Forum Members, by sal on Apr 3, 2012 17:15:05 GMT 1, 1. If you buy a piece from a respectable gallery and then try and flip it, you can say goodbye to dealing with them again. Seeing the work you bought listed on numerous sites and shopped around could potentially damage years of building a trusting relationship with a gallery and/or artist. I'm sure there are others..
ok, I can see the point there, but I was guessing the scammers are offering these works secretly, not listing them publicly on numerous sites, forums, and such!?.. however, I see this getting in your way and actually doing DAMAGE to the original owner..
on the other hand, "building a trusting relationship with a gallery" is a topic itself that can be viewed and discussed in many ways..
1. If you buy a piece from a respectable gallery and then try and flip it, you can say goodbye to dealing with them again. Seeing the work you bought listed on numerous sites and shopped around could potentially damage years of building a trusting relationship with a gallery and/or artist. I'm sure there are others.. ok, I can see the point there, but I was guessing the scammers are offering these works secretly, not listing them publicly on numerous sites, forums, and such!?.. however, I see this getting in your way and actually doing DAMAGE to the original owner.. on the other hand, "building a trusting relationship with a gallery" is a topic itself that can be viewed and discussed in many ways..
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A Warning To Forum Members, by gibbin82 on Apr 3, 2012 17:19:50 GMT 1, What is it coming to when people are becoming nervous about posting pictures of art they own onto an art forum so others can enjoy it. As it is you can post pictures up to the forum of art you are very proud of only to it be practically ignored and not even get a mention, good or bad, yet someone offers something for free and it will get hundreds of posts. Seems to me at times that the forum is becoming more of a place where art is to be flipped, find out about the next available chance of cashing in, or get something for nothing, rather than a place where come to see, admire and talk about art
What is it coming to when people are becoming nervous about posting pictures of art they own onto an art forum so others can enjoy it. As it is you can post pictures up to the forum of art you are very proud of only to it be practically ignored and not even get a mention, good or bad, yet someone offers something for free and it will get hundreds of posts. Seems to me at times that the forum is becoming more of a place where art is to be flipped, find out about the next available chance of cashing in, or get something for nothing, rather than a place where come to see, admire and talk about art
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A Warning To Forum Members, by redfred on Apr 3, 2012 17:31:30 GMT 1, What is it coming to when people are becoming nervous about posting pictures of art they own onto an art forum so others can enjoy it. As it is you can post pictures up to the forum of art you are very proud of only to it be practically ignored and not even get a mention, good or bad, yet someone offers something for free and it will get hundreds of posts. Seems to me at times that the forum is becoming more of a place where art is to be flipped, find out about the next available chance of cashing in, or get something for nothing, rather than a place where come to see, admire and talk about art +1 that man.
What is it coming to when people are becoming nervous about posting pictures of art they own onto an art forum so others can enjoy it. As it is you can post pictures up to the forum of art you are very proud of only to it be practically ignored and not even get a mention, good or bad, yet someone offers something for free and it will get hundreds of posts. Seems to me at times that the forum is becoming more of a place where art is to be flipped, find out about the next available chance of cashing in, or get something for nothing, rather than a place where come to see, admire and talk about art +1 that man.
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A Warning To Forum Members, by Deleted on Apr 3, 2012 19:26:32 GMT 1, 1. If you buy a piece from a respectable gallery and then try and flip it, you can say goodbye to dealing with them again. Seeing the work you bought listed on numerous sites and shopped around could potentially damage years of building a trusting relationship with a gallery and/or artist. I'm sure there are others.. ok, I can see the point there, but I was guessing the scammers are offering these works secretly, not listing them publicly on numerous sites, forums, and such!?.. however, I see this getting in your way and actually doing DAMAGE to the original owner.. on the other hand, "building a trusting relationship with a gallery" is a topic itself that can be viewed and discussed in many ways..
agreed.
1. If you buy a piece from a respectable gallery and then try and flip it, you can say goodbye to dealing with them again. Seeing the work you bought listed on numerous sites and shopped around could potentially damage years of building a trusting relationship with a gallery and/or artist. I'm sure there are others.. ok, I can see the point there, but I was guessing the scammers are offering these works secretly, not listing them publicly on numerous sites, forums, and such!?.. however, I see this getting in your way and actually doing DAMAGE to the original owner.. on the other hand, "building a trusting relationship with a gallery" is a topic itself that can be viewed and discussed in many ways.. agreed.
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A Warning To Forum Members, by tsteve on Apr 3, 2012 20:24:34 GMT 1, Could it not be solved by some sort of water mark placed on all pic being uploaded or can u not do that on photobucket images?
I have done this before, using a basic photo editing program, and putting a "watermark" that I designed in the lower right corner of pictures posted online.
Could it not be solved by some sort of water mark placed on all pic being uploaded or can u not do that on photobucket images? I have done this before, using a basic photo editing program, and putting a "watermark" that I designed in the lower right corner of pictures posted online.
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A Warning To Forum Members, by tsteve on Apr 3, 2012 20:40:03 GMT 1, But, in the meantime, I have this nice little piece available for sale. Please only PM serious offers. Delivery may take several months after purchase. All funds to be sent via Western Union-Nigeria.
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But, in the meantime, I have this nice little piece available for sale. Please only PM serious offers. Delivery may take several months after purchase. All funds to be sent via Western Union-Nigeria. ![](http://www.arthistoryguide.com/images/125.jpg)
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A Warning To Forum Members, by .dappy on Apr 3, 2012 22:00:34 GMT 1, I now put dappy and 'c' (copyright) on all of my photos. Someone on ebay used my framed Eine Change photos, amongst others, before I did this and they did not make it clear unless you read into the description that they were not his photos/letters that were framed. It was 'nice' that he appreciated the framing and photos, but if he was explicit in saying that it/they were not his that would have been OK (I suppose ).
Someone else used my Dface GNF Ed25 photo in an ebay sale, but when I contaced him and asked him to remove as it did originally have my name and 'c' on the photo shown/listed in the sale - he had delibratley cropped them out - he apologised and removed the photos within the hour. He said he picked up my images from a Google Image search (although I think it may have been a forum member?! ).
Do not think you can do too much in this tinernet world that we live in with instant and forever images ... once its out there it is out there forever ... a previous owner may at some point taken photos of the piece as well?
If you put a 'Not for Sale' watermark/addition on a photo ... what do you do if in a few years time you do/need to have sell it?
Not sure there is a complete or right answer to this one ....
I now put dappy and 'c' (copyright) on all of my photos. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) Someone on ebay used my framed Eine Change photos, amongst others, before I did this and they did not make it clear unless you read into the description that they were not his photos/letters that were framed. It was 'nice' that he appreciated the framing and photos, but if he was explicit in saying that it/they were not his that would have been OK (I suppose ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) ). Someone else used my Dface GNF Ed25 photo in an ebay sale, but when I contaced him and asked him to remove as it did originally have my name and 'c' on the photo shown/listed in the sale - he had delibratley cropped them out - he apologised and removed the photos within the hour. He said he picked up my images from a Google Image search (although I think it may have been a forum member?! ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) ). Do not think you can do too much in this tinernet world that we live in with instant and forever images ... once its out there it is out there forever ... a previous owner may at some point taken photos of the piece as well? If you put a 'Not for Sale' watermark/addition on a photo ... what do you do if in a few years time you do/need to have sell it? Not sure there is a complete or right answer to this one ....
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silvermyn
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A Warning To Forum Members, by silvermyn on Apr 3, 2012 22:10:48 GMT 1, I always photograph my art stark b*ll*ck naked so it shows up in the reflection.
For some reason, nobody has ever used my picutres in a sales thread.
I always photograph my art stark b*ll*ck naked so it shows up in the reflection.
For some reason, nobody has ever used my picutres in a sales thread.
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A Warning To Forum Members, by schnulli on Apr 3, 2012 22:17:19 GMT 1, What is it coming to when people are becoming nervous about posting pictures of art they own onto an art forum so others can enjoy it. As it is you can post pictures up to the forum of art you are very proud of only to it be practically ignored and not even get a mention, good or bad, yet someone offers something for free and it will get hundreds of posts. Seems to me at times that the forum is becoming more of a place where art is to be flipped, find out about the next available chance of cashing in, or get something for nothing, rather than a place where come to see, admire and talk about art
So so so so so spot on
What is it coming to when people are becoming nervous about posting pictures of art they own onto an art forum so others can enjoy it. As it is you can post pictures up to the forum of art you are very proud of only to it be practically ignored and not even get a mention, good or bad, yet someone offers something for free and it will get hundreds of posts. Seems to me at times that the forum is becoming more of a place where art is to be flipped, find out about the next available chance of cashing in, or get something for nothing, rather than a place where come to see, admire and talk about art So so so so so spot on
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A Warning To Forum Members, by artylang on Apr 3, 2012 23:51:35 GMT 1, It's similar to a house that sits on the market too long. It becomes stale and considered a dog. This is now public info. It hurts the piece, and the artist.
It's similar to a house that sits on the market too long. It becomes stale and considered a dog. This is now public info. It hurts the piece, and the artist.
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johnnyh
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A Warning To Forum Members, by johnnyh on Apr 4, 2012 3:45:54 GMT 1, I always photograph my art stark b*ll*ck naked so it shows up in the reflection. For some reason, nobody has ever used my picutres in a sales thread.
No but they do feature regularly on www.artyrentboy.com
I always photograph my art stark b*ll*ck naked so it shows up in the reflection. For some reason, nobody has ever used my picutres in a sales thread. No but they do feature regularly on www.artyrentboy.com
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A Warning To Forum Members, by balibob on Apr 4, 2012 10:21:46 GMT 1, I still haven't worked out how to post a picture so I'm safe. ;D
I still haven't worked out how to post a picture so I'm safe. ;D
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A Warning To Forum Members, by silvermyn on Apr 4, 2012 17:35:13 GMT 1, I always photograph my art stark b*ll*ck naked so it shows up in the reflection. For some reason, nobody has ever used my picutres in a sales thread. No but they do feature regularly on www.artyrentboy.com
Ah, that's you on my hit counter then! I wondered who that was ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
I always photograph my art stark b*ll*ck naked so it shows up in the reflection. For some reason, nobody has ever used my picutres in a sales thread. No but they do feature regularly on www.artyrentboy.comAh, that's you on my hit counter then! I wondered who that was ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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