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Banksy Show โข Cut & Run โข Glasgow , by hnkpnk on Jul 15, 2023 20:56:56 GMT 1, โฆ Also why does morning is broken appear in the book, does it feature in the show? Yes. Itโs recreated in the main gallery and also functions as the window in the young Banksyโs room (from the other side). You can look out into the gallery so that makes the boy Banksy himself.
โฆ Also why does morning is broken appear in the book, does it feature in the show? Yes. Itโs recreated in the main gallery and also functions as the window in the young Banksyโs room (from the other side). You can look out into the gallery so that makes the boy Banksy himself.
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met and co's critique on MBW, by hnkpnk on Jul 15, 2023 16:52:36 GMT 1, Canโt we all join hands and agree that Mr Brainwash is shit?
Canโt we all join hands and agree that Mr Brainwash is shit?
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NEW Official Banksy TShirts, by hnkpnk on Jul 14, 2023 20:31:47 GMT 1, Now selling t-shirts in the shop. Border Fโถrce
Now selling t-shirts in the shop. Border Fโถrce
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Orange Order Rat - Fake or Real Banksy?, by hnkpnk on Jun 26, 2023 18:42:52 GMT 1, Are any of the savvy and perceptive Ban ksy enthusiasts on this message board convinced by the above? For me at least, this looks like a feeble effort to get a bit of publicity, with some halfโassed reverse engineering. It calls to mind Itchers, that coattailโrider who first appeared on page 6 of the Nottingham bicycle girl thread in October 2020 *. I'll comment further after the poll has closed at noon (UK time) on Wednesday, 28 June. In the meantime, I would encourage members to revisit the Orange Order rat. And to ask themselves again โ Who else besides Ban ksy technically could have, and conceptually/ideologically would have, created such a piece? You're clutching at straws man... There are three rather convincing reels.
Are any of the savvy and perceptive Ban ksy enthusiasts on this message board convinced by the above? For me at least, this looks like a feeble effort to get a bit of publicity, with some halfโassed reverse engineering. It calls to mind Itchers, that coattailโrider who first appeared on page 6 of the Nottingham bicycle girl thread in October 2020 *. I'll comment further after the poll has closed at noon (UK time) on Wednesday, 28 June. In the meantime, I would encourage members to revisit the Orange Order rat. And to ask themselves again โ Who else besides Ban ksy technically could have, and conceptually/ideologically would have, created such a piece? You're clutching at straws man... There are three rather convincing reels.
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Banksy Show โข Cut & Run โข Glasgow , by hnkpnk on Jun 24, 2023 0:31:51 GMT 1, There's a lot of details that suggests it's Ban ksy, but I'm not 100% convinced. My main objection being there are too many elements. But from the top of my mind here are two pics that are pro the Ban ksy alternative: The similarities with this rat (eye, hind legs etc.): The Balfour party helmets. Reference: hnkpnk โ Many thanks for your thoughts and general efforts here. Courtesy note for the nonโnerds on this message boardTo avoid having your patience tested, my recommendation would be to scroll past this post. __________ If a street piece has a multitude of elements pointing to Ban ksy, these are indicators that the piece was indeed created by Ban ksy, rather than by someone else. Unless of course some of those elements are suspicious, because they suggest aping by a third party and they belie what the artist would actually do. In what you've highlighted, I see nothing glaring: 1. Similarities with a London Underground lockdown ratResemblances are present, but for me they aren't red flags. We could just as easily view them as Ban ksy showing consistency with one of his many different styles of rat imagery. Focusing on the eye in particular, the arrowโlike shape is a simple way of depicting a closedโeye grimace. It was an appropriate goโto, cartoonish expression to fall back on โ for both the sneezing Tube rat in 2020, and the shocked Orange Order rat of 2023, whose tail has just been painfully snapped by the hammer of the trap. A somewhat similar arrowโlike shape of the eye has also been repeatedly used to express anger, determination or concentration in Ban ksy's many iterations of the Flower Thrower image: Separately, it is worth emphasising that the fake Ban ksy rats we've thus far seen, on random walls and street furniture around the world, have almost entirely been wholesale copies of images previously created by the artist. And almost always in a basic, oneโlayer stencil, monochrome format. 2. Use of the Union Jack bowler hatNothing odd here. That hat isn't random. It is for the benefit of the image, serving to further emphasise the rat's unionist and antiโseparatist credentials. __________ Leaving aside artistic concept and political intent, and focusing purely on the visual evidence, what we probably agree on is that the creator of the Orange Order rat was a skilled stencillist. That said, plenty of people can cut tight stencils, even amateurs. There aren't too many, however, who are so adept at controlling spraycans, especially when the image being sprayed is in small format. I would submit that the spraying techniques used for the Orange Order rat were those of a professional โ somebody with years of experience in the field. But just for argument's sake, let's assume this rat may be a pastiche created by another graffiti writer, one who is gifted at stencilling as well. In your view, what are the chances that the Ban ksy copycat would also: (a) first, actually think about; and then (b) bother to make the additional effort of adding, Banksyโstyle final touchโups to the piece? These being the kind of finishes and flourishes that probably go unnoticed by the vast majority of viewers. Two examples1. The freehand sponge or brushwork application of the same peachy flesh tone used in February for Valentine's Day Mascara in Margate: 2. The freehand splatterโspray of red paint around the letters 'S' and 'A' of the word "SAVE": An argument against it being Banksy is that itโs not very logical. What has triggered the trap to catch the rats tail from behind? Is the rat going backwards?
There's a lot of details that suggests it's Ban ksy, but I'm not 100% convinced. My main objection being there are too many elements. But from the top of my mind here are two pics that are pro the Ban ksy alternative: The similarities with this rat (eye, hind legs etc.): The Balfour party helmets. Reference: hnkpnk โ Many thanks for your thoughts and general efforts here. Courtesy note for the nonโnerds on this message boardTo avoid having your patience tested, my recommendation would be to scroll past this post. __________ If a street piece has a multitude of elements pointing to Ban ksy, these are indicators that the piece was indeed created by Ban ksy, rather than by someone else. Unless of course some of those elements are suspicious, because they suggest aping by a third party and they belie what the artist would actually do. In what you've highlighted, I see nothing glaring: 1. Similarities with a London Underground lockdown ratResemblances are present, but for me they aren't red flags. We could just as easily view them as Ban ksy showing consistency with one of his many different styles of rat imagery. Focusing on the eye in particular, the arrowโlike shape is a simple way of depicting a closedโeye grimace. It was an appropriate goโto, cartoonish expression to fall back on โ for both the sneezing Tube rat in 2020, and the shocked Orange Order rat of 2023, whose tail has just been painfully snapped by the hammer of the trap. A somewhat similar arrowโlike shape of the eye has also been repeatedly used to express anger, determination or concentration in Ban ksy's many iterations of the Flower Thrower image: Separately, it is worth emphasising that the fake Ban ksy rats we've thus far seen, on random walls and street furniture around the world, have almost entirely been wholesale copies of images previously created by the artist. And almost always in a basic, oneโlayer stencil, monochrome format. 2. Use of the Union Jack bowler hatNothing odd here. That hat isn't random. It is for the benefit of the image, serving to further emphasise the rat's unionist and antiโseparatist credentials. __________ Leaving aside artistic concept and political intent, and focusing purely on the visual evidence, what we probably agree on is that the creator of the Orange Order rat was a skilled stencillist. That said, plenty of people can cut tight stencils, even amateurs. There aren't too many, however, who are so adept at controlling spraycans, especially when the image being sprayed is in small format. I would submit that the spraying techniques used for the Orange Order rat were those of a professional โ somebody with years of experience in the field. But just for argument's sake, let's assume this rat may be a pastiche created by another graffiti writer, one who is gifted at stencilling as well. In your view, what are the chances that the Ban ksy copycat would also: (a) first, actually think about; and then (b) bother to make the additional effort of adding, Banksyโstyle final touchโups to the piece? These being the kind of finishes and flourishes that probably go unnoticed by the vast majority of viewers. Two examples1. The freehand sponge or brushwork application of the same peachy flesh tone used in February for Valentine's Day Mascara in Margate: 2. The freehand splatterโspray of red paint around the letters 'S' and 'A' of the word "SAVE": An argument against it being Banksy is that itโs not very logical. What has triggered the trap to catch the rats tail from behind? Is the rat going backwards?
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Banksy Show โข Cut & Run โข Glasgow , by hnkpnk on Jun 23, 2023 11:49:02 GMT 1, Lol that will certainly liven up a regular supermarket trip. Early signs aren't too promising re. the BBC article, but let's wait for more news and see if anybody claims it.Cheers for your patience. If we could wait until 28 August to see if anything appears on Ban ksy's website or Instagram, that would be appreciated. Like bookends , I too am unfazed by the BBC article. For me, that isn't a credible source for Ban ksy authenticity matters. It seems to have been written by someone who may have had a tight deadline, allowed themselves to be misled, or was a bit muddled. Given the presence of at least two fake rats we've recently seen in Glas gow, including a stolen one featured in The Scottish Sun, confusion could easily have arisen between those clear fakes and the Orange Order rat during a brief email or telephone exchange with some anonymous spokesperson: www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/10847140/banksy-riddle-glasgow-artwork-stolen-queen-street/__________ In the meantime, we have an opportunity to encourage ourselves to look at str eet art in greater detail, not just casually. It is a way for us to keep training our eyes, to moreโquickly recognise tells โ like stencilโcutting and spraying techniques, level of and attention to detail, placement, speed and confidence of execution, and final touchโups to pieces (such as visuallyโpleasing messiness and deliberate "mistakes" like drips and overspray). Even something as minor as wall preparation and priming can become recognisable, for example in its meticulousness or the materials used. When looking at the black wall on which the Orange Order rat appeared, in the right light we see the wall wasn't initially a blank surface. Some tagging was already there. And it was then covered up โ by the black spraypaint of a graffiti writer, not by the buffing paint roller of a council worker: We can also begin to recognise the other patterns of an artist โ their general aesthetics, character and writing styles, colour palette, tone, sensibility, preferred themes, and favourite subject matters. In the case of the Orange Order rat, to my eyes and mind, all the elements referred to above immediately point to Ban ksy. I see the presence of no red flag indicating otherwise. __________ At the risk of stating the obvious, training one's eye is critical for any art collector. Time is needed to really look at, pay attention to, and think about artwork. Those who lack a good eye are at a clear disadvantage. Among other things, they're more vulnerable to making poor buying decisions that involve bad art or counterfeit art. __________ The type of person none of us should want to become or buy from is Robin Barton, a.k.a. Bankrobber. Here is an individual with something like two decades in the business of dealing, especially in Ban ksys. Yet despite this extensive experience, he still isn't observant enough to immediately spot an obviously-fake Ban ksy street piece. So convinced was he about its genuineness that he was willing to stake his reputation and pay ยฃ250,000 for it on national television. Barton *: "[...] I stand by the fact that until someone proves it is not Banksy it remains Banksy."Now, apart from delusional wishful thinkers and/or the stupid, who actually justifies a very expensive purchase on such a logicallyโflawed basis? Baffling. Similar to me saying, "[...] I stand by the fact that until someone proves the painting I found in the skip is not a Vermeer, it remains a Vermeer."My sympathies go to Barton's clients. They're the real dupes to feel sorry for โ the ones actually paying money to an impostor who pretends to know what he's doing. It makes me wince. There's a lot of details that suggests it's Banksy, but I'm not 100% convinced. My main objection being there are too many elements. But from the top of my mind here are two pics that are pro the Banksy alternative:
The similarities with this rat (eye, hind legs etc.):
The Balfour party helmets.
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Lol that will certainly liven up a regular supermarket trip. Early signs aren't too promising re. the BBC article, but let's wait for more news and see if anybody claims it.Cheers for your patience. If we could wait until 28 August to see if anything appears on Ban ksy's website or Instagram, that would be appreciated. Like bookends , I too am unfazed by the BBC article. For me, that isn't a credible source for Ban ksy authenticity matters. It seems to have been written by someone who may have had a tight deadline, allowed themselves to be misled, or was a bit muddled. Given the presence of at least two fake rats we've recently seen in Glas gow, including a stolen one featured in The Scottish Sun, confusion could easily have arisen between those clear fakes and the Orange Order rat during a brief email or telephone exchange with some anonymous spokesperson: www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/10847140/banksy-riddle-glasgow-artwork-stolen-queen-street/__________ In the meantime, we have an opportunity to encourage ourselves to look at str eet art in greater detail, not just casually. It is a way for us to keep training our eyes, to moreโquickly recognise tells โ like stencilโcutting and spraying techniques, level of and attention to detail, placement, speed and confidence of execution, and final touchโups to pieces (such as visuallyโpleasing messiness and deliberate "mistakes" like drips and overspray). Even something as minor as wall preparation and priming can become recognisable, for example in its meticulousness or the materials used. When looking at the black wall on which the Orange Order rat appeared, in the right light we see the wall wasn't initially a blank surface. Some tagging was already there. And it was then covered up โ by the black spraypaint of a graffiti writer, not by the buffing paint roller of a council worker: We can also begin to recognise the other patterns of an artist โ their general aesthetics, character and writing styles, colour palette, tone, sensibility, preferred themes, and favourite subject matters. In the case of the Orange Order rat, to my eyes and mind, all the elements referred to above immediately point to Ban ksy. I see the presence of no red flag indicating otherwise. __________ At the risk of stating the obvious, training one's eye is critical for any art collector. Time is needed to really look at, pay attention to, and think about artwork. Those who lack a good eye are at a clear disadvantage. Among other things, they're more vulnerable to making poor buying decisions that involve bad art or counterfeit art. __________ The type of person none of us should want to become or buy from is Robin Barton, a.k.a. Bankrobber. Here is an individual with something like two decades in the business of dealing, especially in Ban ksys. Yet despite this extensive experience, he still isn't observant enough to immediately spot an obviously-fake Ban ksy street piece. So convinced was he about its genuineness that he was willing to stake his reputation and pay ยฃ250,000 for it on national television. Barton *: "[...] I stand by the fact that until someone proves it is not Banksy it remains Banksy."Now, apart from delusional wishful thinkers and/or the stupid, who actually justifies a very expensive purchase on such a logicallyโflawed basis? Baffling. Similar to me saying, "[...] I stand by the fact that until someone proves the painting I found in the skip is not a Vermeer, it remains a Vermeer."My sympathies go to Barton's clients. They're the real dupes to feel sorry for โ the ones actually paying money to an impostor who pretends to know what he's doing. It makes me wince. There's a lot of details that suggests it's Banksy, but I'm not 100% convinced. My main objection being there are too many elements. But from the top of my mind here are two pics that are pro the Banksy alternative: The similarities with this rat (eye, hind legs etc.): The Balfour party helmets. Reference:
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Banksy Show โข Cut & Run โข Glasgow , by hnkpnk on Jun 21, 2023 15:03:03 GMT 1, The rat is here: goo.gl/maps/MyF8XDPJAHixXY65A
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Banksy Show โข Cut & Run โข Glasgow , by hnkpnk on Jun 21, 2023 12:37:57 GMT 1, I donโt get the reference to the Sun paper? Seems a good stencil, but just donโt think it makes much sense to put this up with very little context when you have a big Exhibition focusing on your stencils. Iโd imagine he would be a little more elaborate than this. But.. Iโve been wrong before. I agree. It looks like it can be a Banksy, but it's a bit too complicated and I get suspicious when I don't understand the piece.
I donโt get the reference to the Sun paper? Seems a good stencil, but just donโt think it makes much sense to put this up with very little context when you have a big Exhibition focusing on your stencils. Iโd imagine he would be a little more elaborate than this. But.. Iโve been wrong before. I agree. It looks like it can be a Banksy, but it's a bit too complicated and I get suspicious when I don't understand the piece.
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Banksy Show โข Cut & Run โข Glasgow , by hnkpnk on Jun 16, 2023 9:27:34 GMT 1, Iโm sure there will be some additional activity by Banksy to prevent this being just any old museum show. Thereโs still lots of tickets to sell and there doesnโt seem to be the global publicity of previous shows. Maybe his PR needs to do more than post a couple of IG posts. I guess it wouldnโt hurt to have โBanksyโ on the Cut & Run homepage earlier than the absolute last word.
Iโm sure there will be some additional activity by Banksy to prevent this being just any old museum show. Thereโs still lots of tickets to sell and there doesnโt seem to be the global publicity of previous shows. Maybe his PR needs to do more than post a couple of IG posts. I guess it wouldnโt hurt to have โBanksyโ on the Cut & Run homepage earlier than the absolute last word.
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Banksy Show โข Cut & Run โข Glasgow , by hnkpnk on Jun 15, 2023 20:41:49 GMT 1, So if there's a tour, will it be within UK or other countries/continents? My guess would be the latter.
So if there's a tour, will it be within UK or other countries/continents? My guess would be the latter.
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Banksy Show โข Cut & Run โข Glasgow , by hnkpnk on Jun 15, 2023 15:13:38 GMT 1, Correct me if I'm wrong but a (very) quick estimate of the number of tickets is 150,000. So less than half of Bristol Museum. First day sold out.
Correct me if I'm wrong but a (very) quick estimate of the number of tickets is 150,000. So less than half of Bristol Museum. First day sold out.
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Banksy Show โข Cut & Run โข Glasgow , by hnkpnk on Jun 15, 2023 10:17:45 GMT 1, Correct me if I'm wrong but a (very) quick estimate of the number of tickets is 150,000.
So less than half of Bristol Museum.
Correct me if I'm wrong but a (very) quick estimate of the number of tickets is 150,000.
So less than half of Bristol Museum.
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Banksy Show โข Cut & Run โข Glasgow , by hnkpnk on Jun 15, 2023 1:12:33 GMT 1, Fuck yeh instant book! Is the word on the street right? Retirement show? I have no idea, but this is Failes comment on Banksys instagram post:
Fuck yeh instant book! Is the word on the street right? Retirement show? I have no idea, but this is Failes comment on Banksys instagram post:
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Banksy ยฃ10 โข Di-Faced Tenner, by hnkpnk on May 17, 2023 11:04:55 GMT 1, ... I would put it to you that focusing on the dimensions of DiโFaced Tenners is unnecessary. ... The dimension of the paper or the dimension of the print could be of interest even if it's almost impossible to measure.
To replicate a Banksy tenner without the original digital file (or an original sheet of ten tenners) you would be missing the bleed. So either you have to zoom the artwork (and get a slightly larger print) or (if printed 1:1) trim the paper to a smaller size to not get any white edges.
... I would put it to you that focusing on the dimensions of DiโFaced Tenners is unnecessary. ... The dimension of the paper or the dimension of the print could be of interest even if it's almost impossible to measure. To replicate a Banksy tenner without the original digital file (or an original sheet of ten tenners) you would be missing the bleed. So either you have to zoom the artwork (and get a slightly larger print) or (if printed 1:1) trim the paper to a smaller size to not get any white edges.
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'Banksy' piece at The Greatest Auction , by hnkpnk on May 10, 2023 16:32:27 GMT 1,
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'Banksy' piece at The Greatest Auction , by hnkpnk on May 10, 2023 16:04:23 GMT 1, This wasn't a real Banksy. It was sprayed around 2014 under Banksys looping aeroplane in Liverpool and was a response to a real Banksy rat he did in around 2004 with the text "Never liked the Beatles", also in Liverpool. Guess it hit a nerve.
This wasn't a real Banksy. It was sprayed around 2014 under Banksys looping aeroplane in Liverpool and was a response to a real Banksy rat he did in around 2004 with the text "Never liked the Beatles", also in Liverpool. Guess it hit a nerve.
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Listen04 Solo Show, by hnkpnk on Apr 29, 2023 1:52:30 GMT 1,
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Listen04 Solo Show, by hnkpnk on Apr 29, 2023 1:50:10 GMT 1, Is there anyone who will be at the opening of listen04โs new show in London tonight? Edit: please post some pictures!
Is there anyone who will be at the opening of listen04โs new show in London tonight? Edit: please post some pictures!
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Banksy STREET ART, by hnkpnk on Apr 7, 2023 21:10:01 GMT 1, Chuffed to come across this absolute golden oldie (2006) here in Naples. ๐ฎ๐น I believe itโs a couple of years older than 2006.
Chuffed to come across this absolute golden oldie (2006) here in Naples. ๐ฎ๐น I believe itโs a couple of years older than 2006.
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What animal is in the New Banksy?, by hnkpnk on Mar 16, 2023 19:41:29 GMT 1, Is Banksy on the forum ๐ See he cleared this up for us. Where was this?
Is Banksy on the forum ๐ See he cleared this up for us. Where was this?
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What animal is in the New Banksy?, by hnkpnk on Mar 15, 2023 19:58:33 GMT 1, Poll poll poll
What animal is in the new Banksy? Vote in this thread.
Poll poll poll
Poll poll poll What animal is in the new Banksy? Vote in this thread. Poll poll poll
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Banksy โข frAGILE โข Legacy of War Foundation , by hnkpnk on Mar 10, 2023 16:23:29 GMT 1, ...I'm surprised there is so much disbelief. It happened with banksquait too. What is your proof that it happened with this and Banksquiat? Or is it just speculation on your part.
...I'm surprised there is so much disbelief. It happened with banksquait too. What is your proof that it happened with this and Banksquiat? Or is it just speculation on your part.
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Banksy โข Blowpop Records, Capoeira Twins , by hnkpnk on Feb 20, 2023 13:09:47 GMT 1, And it's not because "... this work precedes Pictures on Walls" it can't get a COA. It's because it's not originally sold as, or considered, "art" by Banksy.
And it's not because "... this work precedes Pictures on Walls" it can't get a COA. It's because it's not originally sold as, or considered, "art" by Banksy.
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Banksy โข Blowpop Records, Capoeira Twins , by hnkpnk on Feb 20, 2023 13:07:18 GMT 1, If you want any serious bids you should attach hi-res photos of the cover, record, insert if included and matrix numbers in the vinyl run-off.
If you want any serious bids you should attach hi-res photos of the cover, record, insert if included and matrix numbers in the vinyl run-off.
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A few bits on Ebay... Banksy included, by hnkpnk on Feb 20, 2023 11:46:16 GMT 1, Proofs from printers that later will be printed as offset (the poster in this case) is usually printed on a fancy inkjet that simulates the final paper and printing. Or you can call it a giclรฉe if you want. I guess this is what it is. Why would you make a proof in giclee if the print run is going to be offset? They are both different mediums, this doesnโt make sense. Because it's much cheaper and faster to produce the proofs this way. Offset means you have to make separate plates for the four colours (CMYK) and then you have to use the same printer (which probably is industrial size) as for the final product and interrupt/halt other jobs, which would be extremely expensive. The inkjet proofs are easy to produce and are colour matched with the offset printer so the colours should be pretty accurate to the final result..
Proofs from printers that later will be printed as offset (the poster in this case) is usually printed on a fancy inkjet that simulates the final paper and printing. Or you can call it a giclรฉe if you want. I guess this is what it is. Why would you make a proof in giclee if the print run is going to be offset? They are both different mediums, this doesnโt make sense. Because it's much cheaper and faster to produce the proofs this way. Offset means you have to make separate plates for the four colours (CMYK) and then you have to use the same printer (which probably is industrial size) as for the final product and interrupt/halt other jobs, which would be extremely expensive. The inkjet proofs are easy to produce and are colour matched with the offset printer so the colours should be pretty accurate to the final result..
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A few bits on Ebay... Banksy included, by hnkpnk on Feb 19, 2023 21:05:59 GMT 1, "You can compare to the standard Think Tank posters- this has no Blur logo or extra writing to spoil the image" are your actual words... So compare then... yes- the posters have a logo and extra writing. This doesn't? Yes. My actual words. Compare. Proofs from printers that later will be printed as offset (the poster in this case) is usually printed on a fancy inkjet that simulates the final paper and printing. Or you can call it a giclรฉe if you want. I guess this is what it is.
"You can compare to the standard Think Tank posters- this has no Blur logo or extra writing to spoil the image" are your actual words... So compare then... yes- the posters have a logo and extra writing. This doesn't? Yes. My actual words. Compare. Proofs from printers that later will be printed as offset (the poster in this case) is usually printed on a fancy inkjet that simulates the final paper and printing. Or you can call it a giclรฉe if you want. I guess this is what it is.
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July 2011
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