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BLOK - COMPOSITION ONE HAND FINISHED ED. of 5, by sgolby on May 19, 2021 15:15:38 GMT 1, time to get the popcorn....
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Looking for a LA Proxy (PINS cards), by sgolby on May 19, 2021 14:52:36 GMT 1, Again, save your money and buy something nice, and ask a friend to pick you up a free unsigned showcard.
Again, save your money and buy something nice, and ask a friend to pick you up a free unsigned showcard.
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Looking for a LA Proxy (PINS cards), by sgolby on May 19, 2021 12:44:20 GMT 1, Spend your money on an actual work of art, not a signed giclee postcard. So many good artist are out there if you look.
Agreed, as for the signed postcards these will almost certainly he for sale. The folks at Allouche are great people, but freebies are not really in their vocabulary.
Spend your money on an actual work of art, not a signed giclee postcard. So many good artist are out there if you look. Agreed, as for the signed postcards these will almost certainly he for sale. The folks at Allouche are great people, but freebies are not really in their vocabulary.
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, by sgolby on May 18, 2021 0:05:31 GMT 1, tab1 it came on the heals of my posts so I assumed you were addressing me. Don't worry, my sensitivity is at a fairly consistent state, right in between zen and curb stomp anger, which is where I like it to be. I would of quoted you if I were addressing your points.๐ Discussion is good
Appreciate you
tab1 it came on the heals of my posts so I assumed you were addressing me. Don't worry, my sensitivity is at a fairly consistent state, right in between zen and curb stomp anger, which is where I like it to be. I would of quoted you if I were addressing your points.๐ Discussion is good Appreciate you
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by sgolby on May 17, 2021 22:08:01 GMT 1, There it is....
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, by sgolby on May 17, 2021 20:22:02 GMT 1, tab1 it came on the heals of my posts so I assumed you were addressing me. Don't worry, my sensitivity is at a fairly consistent state, right in between zen and curb stomp anger, which is where I like it to be.
tab1 it came on the heals of my posts so I assumed you were addressing me. Don't worry, my sensitivity is at a fairly consistent state, right in between zen and curb stomp anger, which is where I like it to be.
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, by sgolby on May 17, 2021 19:54:43 GMT 1, @tab1 perhaps you should read my comments before assuming you know what I wrote. I never accused anyone of being an anti semite. What I said was that too often criticism of the state of israel devolves into antisemitism. Also, important to note that there is a difference between criticism of the Israeli government and condemnation of Israel as a whole.
@tab1 perhaps you should read my comments before assuming you know what I wrote. I never accused anyone of being an anti semite. What I said was that too often criticism of the state of israel devolves into antisemitism. Also, important to note that there is a difference between criticism of the Israeli government and condemnation of Israel as a whole.
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, by sgolby on May 17, 2021 19:20:35 GMT 1, Reader, the difference between my outrage and yours is that I am not the one preaching the destruction of a country because it has lost its way. If that were the case we should/could call for the downfall of the US, Australia, the UK, Belgium, France, India, Pakistan, Palestine, and the list goes on and on and on. Don't fool yourself into believing you are the righteous and the rest of us are lost.
Good luck to you, I am done trying to have a dialogue with someone who is hell bent on viewing the world through a narrow lens. One day, hopefully you will be able to accept that multiple things can be true and that the answer is often an amalgamation of ideas and not one certain set of facts.
Perhaps read this and a book called the lemon tree by sandy toland, perhaps read differing opinions on this crisis and add some much needed history to your informational diet and you'll be able to formulate an opinion which doesn't read like diet prada in long form.
www.nytimes.com/2021/05/16/opinion/israel-netanyahu-hamas.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
Reader, the difference between my outrage and yours is that I am not the one preaching the destruction of a country because it has lost its way. If that were the case we should/could call for the downfall of the US, Australia, the UK, Belgium, France, India, Pakistan, Palestine, and the list goes on and on and on. Don't fool yourself into believing you are the righteous and the rest of us are lost. Good luck to you, I am done trying to have a dialogue with someone who is hell bent on viewing the world through a narrow lens. One day, hopefully you will be able to accept that multiple things can be true and that the answer is often an amalgamation of ideas and not one certain set of facts. Perhaps read this and a book called the lemon tree by sandy toland, perhaps read differing opinions on this crisis and add some much needed history to your informational diet and you'll be able to formulate an opinion which doesn't read like diet prada in long form. www.nytimes.com/2021/05/16/opinion/israel-netanyahu-hamas.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
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, by sgolby on May 17, 2021 18:29:26 GMT 1, Reader, I will check them out.
Reader, I will check them out.
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, by sgolby on May 17, 2021 17:53:00 GMT 1, Reader well played! However I truly believe that in this and in fact in almost any conflict, memes do more to fan the flames than they do to encourage meaningful discourse and arrive at a nuanced solution with a chance to succeed. Someone should write a book - from MTV to Twitter - how we lost our youth and our future to sound bite culture. They've been saying the same since Guttenberg..Radio, TV, Computer, Smart phone... jazz, rock n roll, gangsta rap :-). I think memes are evolving into being highly effecient means of conveying information, just that the "right" are much better at it. A good friend wrote a book a couple of years ago on the theme which is interesting. Nope, memes are more often than not factually incorrect and used to enforce opinion and rhetoric. Perhaps if you were to do some unbiased reading and research you would have a better grasp on this issue and the history which has led to where we are.
Reader well played! However I truly believe that in this and in fact in almost any conflict, memes do more to fan the flames than they do to encourage meaningful discourse and arrive at a nuanced solution with a chance to succeed. Someone should write a book - from MTV to Twitter - how we lost our youth and our future to sound bite culture. They've been saying the same since Guttenberg..Radio, TV, Computer, Smart phone... jazz, rock n roll, gangsta rap :-). I think memes are evolving into being highly effecient means of conveying information, just that the "right" are much better at it. A good friend wrote a book a couple of years ago on the theme which is interesting. Nope, memes are more often than not factually incorrect and used to enforce opinion and rhetoric. Perhaps if you were to do some unbiased reading and research you would have a better grasp on this issue and the history which has led to where we are.
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, by sgolby on May 17, 2021 17:51:05 GMT 1, Reader If I may point out some issues with the graphic you posted: 1. Zionism - is and ideology which calls for a jewish state as a reaction to waves of anti semitism throughout history, and it gained immense momentum during the lead up, during, and after world war two when much of the world, including the USA and the UK, turned their back on the jews by setting limits on the numbers of jewish refugees they would accept, by segregating them and by supporting regimes who sought to exterminate them. 2. Palestine - The land the world decided would be more convenient for the Jews to have than repatriating them and accepting them, thereby coercing the British Colonial regime to pull back and abedcate it's responsibility as a governing force. Yes, Israel was the ancestral land of the jews but to believe the Jews had the power tot take it for themselves is willful blindness. It is the same as saying the Jews killed Christ when we all know that it was the Roman's who killed him, fearing the spread of his words. it is a convenient yet wholly dishonest narrative. 3. The Pallestinians are no more indigenous than the Jews, it is for that reason that both sides must learn to live in peace with one another, because they both hold ancestral rights to the land. 4. While criticism of Israel is not anti semitism, the use of that criticism to call for the end of Israel is a terribly tragic argument. It is in fact the exact same argument used by those you are arguing against, however it goes like this. Arabs are Terrorists, Muslims are Radicals, Palestinians are Hamas and therefore terrorists. Instead it would be wise to say something along these lines, Bibi and the rise of Jewish Nationalists and right wing actors have setup a series fo circumstances that have resulted in an apartheid state and should answer for their crimes against humanity. The settler movement is criminal, and the establishment of a reparations counsel should be setup to mediate the land rights issue with the understanding that a two state solution is the only way this can end. Both states will have sovereignty and dominion over their lands. Do not forget that historically Hamas, Hezbollah, and Palestine's Arab neighbors have as much to do with the plight of the Palestinian people as Israel does. 5. Both sides are guilty of Murder, and simplifying it to anti this and anti that is what allows both sides to get away with murder, not only the lack of criticism of the current Israeli government. It is a lack of willingness to deep dive into the complexities and geopolitical realities by most of the world that allows murder to be overlooked on both sides. P.S. look into what happens to people in Gaza that speak out against Hammas, and you will find quite a bit to be angry about. 6. It is absolutely possible for criticism of Israel and Zionism to exist without anti semitic tropes, however that criticism too often devolves into such Anti Semitism. Further, while there are plenty of well intentioned defenders of the Palestinian people too few of them are willing to condemn anti semitic, racist and hate filled rhetoric. Whereas you often see people, such as myself, who take the fight to the hate filled rhetoric spewed by vile characters like Bibi, or Naftali Bennet, or even simply members of my own family on social media. 7. Defund Israel, Defend Palestine, again while seemingly cute, is silly, because it is not that simple. Yes, preconditions to funding do in fact need to be in place. However Defunding Israel will do nothing to deter Israel's apartheid, in fact it would likely only enhance it. Financial leverage at a governmental level allows force to be exerted. The real action needs to be taken in your home countries to push for a peaceful two state solution, not calling for what seems to be the end of one state and the restoration of another. Just my thoughts. Just to expand on a few of those points... 1. Zionism - is and ideology which calls for a jewish state as a reaction to waves of anti semitism throughout history. No argument here, other than it calls for an exclusively Jewish ethnostate and the dispacment of ALL Palestinians. Let's not be coy here. - I am not being Coy, however the use of the word zionist in todays lexicon means Israeli, when in reality I do not believe that the average Jewish Israeli believes in Israel being Jewish ethno state with the displacement of all Palestinians. However I do believe that there should be a Jewish state, after all th other religions have their own states why not the Jews?2. ....but to believe the Jews had the power to take it for themselves is willful blindness. I don't think anyone implied this, so it's a straw man argument and a distraction -as I said, they had very powerful colonial allies and still do of course. YOU COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG. They did not at all have very powerful colonial allies. They had worldwide support for the first time since biblical times. You can go ahead and believe it to be a straw man argument, but you are wrong. Today, they have ONE very powerful ally and it is the US, and I happen to believe as I said that that support should be conditioned on human rights. The Palestinians however have several allies, however none of them do more than pay lip service to them which has been a significant part of the historical problem. Hamas has an incredibly ally in Bibi and the right wing of Knesset, because while not stated, the only way to prevent peace is by claiming you have no partner because of Hamas. 3. On Ancestral rights -countries don't have a "right" to exist. Israel was founded on the crime of ethnic cleansing and the principles of apartheid. They certainly don't have the "right" to their expansionist settler policy. Agreed, Israel was indeed founded as a result of the Ethnic cleansing of the Jews. Here you should really pay attention to history. The rise of the Jewish Apartheid state has coincided with the rise of Likud and Bibi, it did not exist as a powerful movement in Israel until then. Despite that being a convenient narrative. It is indeed currently under the control of a nationalist racist man, and his party whose perverse endgame is the unification of Israel to and the marginalization of all Palestinians. 4. While criticism of Israel is not anti semitism, the use of that criticism to call for the end of Israel is a terribly tragic argument. Calling for an end to the occupation of your land isn't anti-semitic. Indiginous groups the world over are fighting to roll back settler expansion and gain basic human rights, from Native Americans to Sami and Aboriginals. They and their allies must be allowed to make and voice their arguments without being called "anti-semitic". Right but in this case you have the chicken and egg scenario, you name indigenous groups without acknowledging that the Jews were forcefully removed from their homeland which included Israel, so why is it not right for Jews to have a place in their ancestral homeland a just like the other groups you mention. Further, just as you must be allowed to advocate for Palestine without being an Anti-Semite, so to I must be allowed to advocate for Israel without being called a colonialist, zionist, racist, jewish nationalist, supporter of Apartheid. 5. Both sides are guilty of Murder... The "both sides" argument is a nonesense. It's like blaming children defending themselves with chairs for being shot in school shootings. Dropping missiles on residential areas and indiscriminately killing civililans, many of them children, is, according to Amnesty and International law, a war crime. Not that the IDF are known for adhering to this. Again, you are conflating the events of the past 20 years and applying them unilaterally. Do not forget what led to the rise of Bibi, unjustified as his ascension may be. It was terrorism, it was fear mongering based on the murder of Jews and terrorist actions. Again, I agree that Bibi's regime is guilty of war crimes, however don't pretend Hamas or Islamic Jihad are sesame street characters. They are not, they are vicious and stamp out dissent with ruthlessness equal to that of the IDF and the Israeli police.6. It is absolutely possible for criticism of Israel and Zionism to exist without anti semitic tropes, however that criticism too often devolves into such Anti Semitism. So ? There are many Jews and Jewish support organisations in Israel and abroad that are opponents of Zionism. Usually tarred as "self hating Jews". It's perfectly legitimate to critique Zionism no matter how it may "devolve". SO? really? I can give you 6 million reasons why it matters. They are tarred with those names by the same people who you should worry about. The right wingers. However, there is a very real difference between criticism of Israel and Zionsim, and Anti Semitism. Again, I don't allow my criticism of hammas, hezbollah, etc, to ever escalate to anti muslim rhetoric and when I hear anti muslim rhetoric I fight against it because it is severely counter productive. When you say "So?" you lose the argument and give in to weakness and hatred. you can not claim to really be for peace if you are ok with that.7. Defund Israel, Defend Palestine, again while seemingly cute, is silly, because it is not that simple. Neither is climate change but we should still presumably be conscious consumers and recycle. The Boycott, Divest and Sanction movement is gathering pace, and does in fact also target Governmental funding, bonds and investments. It's also Palestinian lead, so I'm confident they've taken your "Silly" and "Not that simple" arguments into account and decided to act. bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycottAgain, you are trying to simplify an insanely complex issue. This is not one simply about money. This should be about creating a climate whereby the regional players and international community work together to exert pressure on the right wing of the knesset to change their ways. It is about looking at the Jewish question and Palestinian question with open eyes and trying to construct a solution whereby there is peace. INstead of wasting energy on defunding Israel, perhaps efforts should be made to see where Palestinian funding is going? Perhaps pressure needs to be put on Iran and Qatar to begin using the aid money they send to constructing more than military enforcements. Perhaps political pressure needs to be applied not to destroy Israel but to construct a new Israel and Palestine?
Reader If I may point out some issues with the graphic you posted: 1. Zionism - is and ideology which calls for a jewish state as a reaction to waves of anti semitism throughout history, and it gained immense momentum during the lead up, during, and after world war two when much of the world, including the USA and the UK, turned their back on the jews by setting limits on the numbers of jewish refugees they would accept, by segregating them and by supporting regimes who sought to exterminate them. 2. Palestine - The land the world decided would be more convenient for the Jews to have than repatriating them and accepting them, thereby coercing the British Colonial regime to pull back and abedcate it's responsibility as a governing force. Yes, Israel was the ancestral land of the jews but to believe the Jews had the power tot take it for themselves is willful blindness. It is the same as saying the Jews killed Christ when we all know that it was the Roman's who killed him, fearing the spread of his words. it is a convenient yet wholly dishonest narrative. 3. The Pallestinians are no more indigenous than the Jews, it is for that reason that both sides must learn to live in peace with one another, because they both hold ancestral rights to the land. 4. While criticism of Israel is not anti semitism, the use of that criticism to call for the end of Israel is a terribly tragic argument. It is in fact the exact same argument used by those you are arguing against, however it goes like this. Arabs are Terrorists, Muslims are Radicals, Palestinians are Hamas and therefore terrorists. Instead it would be wise to say something along these lines, Bibi and the rise of Jewish Nationalists and right wing actors have setup a series fo circumstances that have resulted in an apartheid state and should answer for their crimes against humanity. The settler movement is criminal, and the establishment of a reparations counsel should be setup to mediate the land rights issue with the understanding that a two state solution is the only way this can end. Both states will have sovereignty and dominion over their lands. Do not forget that historically Hamas, Hezbollah, and Palestine's Arab neighbors have as much to do with the plight of the Palestinian people as Israel does. 5. Both sides are guilty of Murder, and simplifying it to anti this and anti that is what allows both sides to get away with murder, not only the lack of criticism of the current Israeli government. It is a lack of willingness to deep dive into the complexities and geopolitical realities by most of the world that allows murder to be overlooked on both sides. P.S. look into what happens to people in Gaza that speak out against Hammas, and you will find quite a bit to be angry about. 6. It is absolutely possible for criticism of Israel and Zionism to exist without anti semitic tropes, however that criticism too often devolves into such Anti Semitism. Further, while there are plenty of well intentioned defenders of the Palestinian people too few of them are willing to condemn anti semitic, racist and hate filled rhetoric. Whereas you often see people, such as myself, who take the fight to the hate filled rhetoric spewed by vile characters like Bibi, or Naftali Bennet, or even simply members of my own family on social media. 7. Defund Israel, Defend Palestine, again while seemingly cute, is silly, because it is not that simple. Yes, preconditions to funding do in fact need to be in place. However Defunding Israel will do nothing to deter Israel's apartheid, in fact it would likely only enhance it. Financial leverage at a governmental level allows force to be exerted. The real action needs to be taken in your home countries to push for a peaceful two state solution, not calling for what seems to be the end of one state and the restoration of another. Just my thoughts. Just to expand on a few of those points... 1. Zionism - is and ideology which calls for a jewish state as a reaction to waves of anti semitism throughout history. No argument here, other than it calls for an exclusively Jewish ethnostate and the dispacment of ALL Palestinians. Let's not be coy here. - I am not being Coy, however the use of the word zionist in todays lexicon means Israeli, when in reality I do not believe that the average Jewish Israeli believes in Israel being Jewish ethno state with the displacement of all Palestinians. However I do believe that there should be a Jewish state, after all th other religions have their own states why not the Jews?2. ....but to believe the Jews had the power to take it for themselves is willful blindness. I don't think anyone implied this, so it's a straw man argument and a distraction -as I said, they had very powerful colonial allies and still do of course. YOU COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG. They did not at all have very powerful colonial allies. They had worldwide support for the first time since biblical times. You can go ahead and believe it to be a straw man argument, but you are wrong. Today, they have ONE very powerful ally and it is the US, and I happen to believe as I said that that support should be conditioned on human rights. The Palestinians however have several allies, however none of them do more than pay lip service to them which has been a significant part of the historical problem. Hamas has an incredibly ally in Bibi and the right wing of Knesset, because while not stated, the only way to prevent peace is by claiming you have no partner because of Hamas. 3. On Ancestral rights -countries don't have a "right" to exist. Israel was founded on the crime of ethnic cleansing and the principles of apartheid. They certainly don't have the "right" to their expansionist settler policy. Agreed, Israel was indeed founded as a result of the Ethnic cleansing of the Jews. Here you should really pay attention to history. The rise of the Jewish Apartheid state has coincided with the rise of Likud and Bibi, it did not exist as a powerful movement in Israel until then. Despite that being a convenient narrative. It is indeed currently under the control of a nationalist racist man, and his party whose perverse endgame is the unification of Israel to and the marginalization of all Palestinians. 4. While criticism of Israel is not anti semitism, the use of that criticism to call for the end of Israel is a terribly tragic argument. Calling for an end to the occupation of your land isn't anti-semitic. Indiginous groups the world over are fighting to roll back settler expansion and gain basic human rights, from Native Americans to Sami and Aboriginals. They and their allies must be allowed to make and voice their arguments without being called "anti-semitic". Right but in this case you have the chicken and egg scenario, you name indigenous groups without acknowledging that the Jews were forcefully removed from their homeland which included Israel, so why is it not right for Jews to have a place in their ancestral homeland a just like the other groups you mention. Further, just as you must be allowed to advocate for Palestine without being an Anti-Semite, so to I must be allowed to advocate for Israel without being called a colonialist, zionist, racist, jewish nationalist, supporter of Apartheid. 5. Both sides are guilty of Murder... The "both sides" argument is a nonesense. It's like blaming children defending themselves with chairs for being shot in school shootings. Dropping missiles on residential areas and indiscriminately killing civililans, many of them children, is, according to Amnesty and International law, a war crime. Not that the IDF are known for adhering to this. Again, you are conflating the events of the past 20 years and applying them unilaterally. Do not forget what led to the rise of Bibi, unjustified as his ascension may be. It was terrorism, it was fear mongering based on the murder of Jews and terrorist actions. Again, I agree that Bibi's regime is guilty of war crimes, however don't pretend Hamas or Islamic Jihad are sesame street characters. They are not, they are vicious and stamp out dissent with ruthlessness equal to that of the IDF and the Israeli police.6. It is absolutely possible for criticism of Israel and Zionism to exist without anti semitic tropes, however that criticism too often devolves into such Anti Semitism. So ? There are many Jews and Jewish support organisations in Israel and abroad that are opponents of Zionism. Usually tarred as "self hating Jews". It's perfectly legitimate to critique Zionism no matter how it may "devolve". SO? really? I can give you 6 million reasons why it matters. They are tarred with those names by the same people who you should worry about. The right wingers. However, there is a very real difference between criticism of Israel and Zionsim, and Anti Semitism. Again, I don't allow my criticism of hammas, hezbollah, etc, to ever escalate to anti muslim rhetoric and when I hear anti muslim rhetoric I fight against it because it is severely counter productive. When you say "So?" you lose the argument and give in to weakness and hatred. you can not claim to really be for peace if you are ok with that.7. Defund Israel, Defend Palestine, again while seemingly cute, is silly, because it is not that simple. Neither is climate change but we should still presumably be conscious consumers and recycle. The Boycott, Divest and Sanction movement is gathering pace, and does in fact also target Governmental funding, bonds and investments. It's also Palestinian lead, so I'm confident they've taken your "Silly" and "Not that simple" arguments into account and decided to act. bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycottAgain, you are trying to simplify an insanely complex issue. This is not one simply about money. This should be about creating a climate whereby the regional players and international community work together to exert pressure on the right wing of the knesset to change their ways. It is about looking at the Jewish question and Palestinian question with open eyes and trying to construct a solution whereby there is peace. INstead of wasting energy on defunding Israel, perhaps efforts should be made to see where Palestinian funding is going? Perhaps pressure needs to be put on Iran and Qatar to begin using the aid money they send to constructing more than military enforcements. Perhaps political pressure needs to be applied not to destroy Israel but to construct a new Israel and Palestine?
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Kaws Holiday Hot Air Balloon , by sgolby on May 17, 2021 16:54:50 GMT 1, I am so bored by these releases now.
I am so bored by these releases now.
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, by sgolby on May 17, 2021 16:46:43 GMT 1, Reader well played!
However I truly believe that in this and in fact in almost any conflict, memes do more to fan the flames than they do to encourage meaningful discourse and arrive at a nuanced solution with a chance to succeed.
Someone should write a book - from MTV to Twitter - how we lost our youth and our future to sound bite culture.
Reader well played! However I truly believe that in this and in fact in almost any conflict, memes do more to fan the flames than they do to encourage meaningful discourse and arrive at a nuanced solution with a chance to succeed. Someone should write a book - from MTV to Twitter - how we lost our youth and our future to sound bite culture.
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, by sgolby on May 17, 2021 16:03:18 GMT 1, Reader If I may point out some issues with the graphic you posted:
1. Zionism - is and ideology which calls for a jewish state as a reaction to waves of anti semitism throughout history, and it gained immense momentum during the lead up, during, and after world war two when much of the world, including the USA and the UK, turned their back on the jews by setting limits on the numbers of jewish refugees they would accept, by segregating them and by supporting regimes who sought to exterminate them.
2. Palestine - The land the world decided would be more convenient for the Jews to have than repatriating them and accepting them, thereby coercing the British Colonial regime to pull back and abedcate it's responsibility as a governing force. Yes, Israel was the ancestral land of the jews but to believe the Jews had the power tot take it for themselves is willful blindness. It is the same as saying the Jews killed Christ when we all know that it was the Roman's who killed him, fearing the spread of his words. it is a convenient yet wholly dishonest narrative.
3. The Pallestinians are no more indigenous than the Jews, it is for that reason that both sides must learn to live in peace with one another, because they both hold ancestral rights to the land.
4. While criticism of Israel is not anti semitism, the use of that criticism to call for the end of Israel is a terribly tragic argument. It is in fact the exact same argument used by those you are arguing against, however it goes like this. Arabs are Terrorists, Muslims are Radicals, Palestinians are Hamas and therefore terrorists. Instead it would be wise to say something along these lines, Bibi and the rise of Jewish Nationalists and right wing actors have setup a series fo circumstances that have resulted in an apartheid state and should answer for their crimes against humanity. The settler movement is criminal, and the establishment of a reparations counsel should be setup to mediate the land rights issue with the understanding that a two state solution is the only way this can end. Both states will have sovereignty and dominion over their lands. Do not forget that historically Hamas, Hezbollah, and Palestine's Arab neighbors have as much to do with the plight of the Palestinian people as Israel does.
5. Both sides are guilty of Murder, and simplifying it to anti this and anti that is what allows both sides to get away with murder, not only the lack of criticism of the current Israeli government. It is a lack of willingness to deep dive into the complexities and geopolitical realities by most of the world that allows murder to be overlooked on both sides. P.S. look into what happens to people in Gaza that speak out against Hammas, and you will find quite a bit to be angry about.
6. It is absolutely possible for criticism of Israel and Zionism to exist without anti semitic tropes, however that criticism too often devolves into such Anti Semitism. Further, while there are plenty of well intentioned defenders of the Palestinian people too few of them are willing to condemn anti semitic, racist and hate filled rhetoric. Whereas you often see people, such as myself, who take the fight to the hate filled rhetoric spewed by vile characters like Bibi, or Naftali Bennet, or even simply members of my own family on social media.
7. Defund Israel, Defend Palestine, again while seemingly cute, is silly, because it is not that simple. Yes, preconditions to funding do in fact need to be in place. However Defunding Israel will do nothing to deter Israel's apartheid, in fact it would likely only enhance it. Financial leverage at a governmental level allows force to be exerted. The real action needs to be taken in your home countries to push for a peaceful two state solution, not calling for what seems to be the end of one state and the restoration of another.
Just my thoughts.
Reader If I may point out some issues with the graphic you posted: 1. Zionism - is and ideology which calls for a jewish state as a reaction to waves of anti semitism throughout history, and it gained immense momentum during the lead up, during, and after world war two when much of the world, including the USA and the UK, turned their back on the jews by setting limits on the numbers of jewish refugees they would accept, by segregating them and by supporting regimes who sought to exterminate them. 2. Palestine - The land the world decided would be more convenient for the Jews to have than repatriating them and accepting them, thereby coercing the British Colonial regime to pull back and abedcate it's responsibility as a governing force. Yes, Israel was the ancestral land of the jews but to believe the Jews had the power tot take it for themselves is willful blindness. It is the same as saying the Jews killed Christ when we all know that it was the Roman's who killed him, fearing the spread of his words. it is a convenient yet wholly dishonest narrative. 3. The Pallestinians are no more indigenous than the Jews, it is for that reason that both sides must learn to live in peace with one another, because they both hold ancestral rights to the land. 4. While criticism of Israel is not anti semitism, the use of that criticism to call for the end of Israel is a terribly tragic argument. It is in fact the exact same argument used by those you are arguing against, however it goes like this. Arabs are Terrorists, Muslims are Radicals, Palestinians are Hamas and therefore terrorists. Instead it would be wise to say something along these lines, Bibi and the rise of Jewish Nationalists and right wing actors have setup a series fo circumstances that have resulted in an apartheid state and should answer for their crimes against humanity. The settler movement is criminal, and the establishment of a reparations counsel should be setup to mediate the land rights issue with the understanding that a two state solution is the only way this can end. Both states will have sovereignty and dominion over their lands. Do not forget that historically Hamas, Hezbollah, and Palestine's Arab neighbors have as much to do with the plight of the Palestinian people as Israel does. 5. Both sides are guilty of Murder, and simplifying it to anti this and anti that is what allows both sides to get away with murder, not only the lack of criticism of the current Israeli government. It is a lack of willingness to deep dive into the complexities and geopolitical realities by most of the world that allows murder to be overlooked on both sides. P.S. look into what happens to people in Gaza that speak out against Hammas, and you will find quite a bit to be angry about. 6. It is absolutely possible for criticism of Israel and Zionism to exist without anti semitic tropes, however that criticism too often devolves into such Anti Semitism. Further, while there are plenty of well intentioned defenders of the Palestinian people too few of them are willing to condemn anti semitic, racist and hate filled rhetoric. Whereas you often see people, such as myself, who take the fight to the hate filled rhetoric spewed by vile characters like Bibi, or Naftali Bennet, or even simply members of my own family on social media. 7. Defund Israel, Defend Palestine, again while seemingly cute, is silly, because it is not that simple. Yes, preconditions to funding do in fact need to be in place. However Defunding Israel will do nothing to deter Israel's apartheid, in fact it would likely only enhance it. Financial leverage at a governmental level allows force to be exerted. The real action needs to be taken in your home countries to push for a peaceful two state solution, not calling for what seems to be the end of one state and the restoration of another. Just my thoughts.
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New Kaws Print: SEPARATED, by sgolby on May 14, 2021 12:21:37 GMT 1, I just got an invoice which tells me several people have not bought from the source. You are likely to get cost for this but probably not more.
Not buying it for those that are curious.
I just got an invoice which tells me several people have not bought from the source. You are likely to get cost for this but probably not more.
Not buying it for those that are curious.
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by sgolby on May 13, 2021 23:58:06 GMT 1, Not so new but finally got around to framing these:
my welcome mat (first run), and a little lister original i bought a while back:
Not so new but finally got around to framing these: my welcome mat (first run), and a little lister original i bought a while back:
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Taku Obata new zine, by sgolby on May 12, 2021 19:21:28 GMT 1, awesome little pickup. Obata-san reposted and told me this is official with his direction. S
awesome little pickup. Obata-san reposted and told me this is official with his direction. S
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Ernest Zacharevic ๐ฑ๐น Penang, Malaysia Street Art , by sgolby on May 10, 2021 2:52:09 GMT 1, Couldnโt find it. Love this print. Own it. I wonder what ever happened to him. His work is so good, yet seems to have a non existent collector base.
Couldnโt find it. Love this print. Own it. I wonder what ever happened to him. His work is so good, yet seems to have a non existent collector base.
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Javier Calleja's show in Madrid, by sgolby on May 7, 2021 0:18:26 GMT 1, Thanks for sharing!
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by sgolby on May 6, 2021 11:37:34 GMT 1, Charlie Bronson not buying that at the drop is one of my biggest regrets. I love it. Congrats!
Charlie Bronson not buying that at the drop is one of my biggest regrets. I love it. Congrats!
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by sgolby on May 6, 2021 1:40:51 GMT 1, I canโt remember if I posted this or not, but i just received my new little Nathan Ford from Beaux Arts Bath, and It is even more striking in person than in the photo. Ford is such an incredible talent.
http://instagram.com/p/COgvqZFHZR0
I canโt remember if I posted this or not, but i just received my new little Nathan Ford from Beaux Arts Bath, and It is even more striking in person than in the photo. Ford is such an incredible talent. http://instagram.com/p/COgvqZFHZR0
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Mark Drew ๐ญ๐ฒ New Print Release โข China Heights Gallery, by sgolby on May 5, 2021 23:19:55 GMT 1, Oh man, maybe i misread it. Sorry. I saw a price and an enquire button.
Oh man, maybe i misread it. Sorry. I saw a price and an enquire button.
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Mark Drew ๐ญ๐ฒ New Print Release โข China Heights Gallery, by sgolby on May 5, 2021 19:11:45 GMT 1, stolen space seems to have one.
stolen space seems to have one.
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New Kaws Print: SEPARATED, by sgolby on May 5, 2021 13:50:21 GMT 1, I wrote this when NGV did the retrospective, about Kaws. Dome things have changed, but my opinions remain fairly similar. The one thing I will say about his prints. The secondary market is not flooded with them, as it is Murakami. This means one of two things, people are holding for value, or better yet, he has real collectors. None of his prints are bought as โinsta flips,โ if they are that is a risky purchase in my opinion. Honestly, you see more Banksy prints at auction than you do Kaws.
http://instagr.am/p/B1wA0JDgxd3
I wrote this when NGV did the retrospective, about Kaws. Dome things have changed, but my opinions remain fairly similar. The one thing I will say about his prints. The secondary market is not flooded with them, as it is Murakami. This means one of two things, people are holding for value, or better yet, he has real collectors. None of his prints are bought as โinsta flips,โ if they are that is a risky purchase in my opinion. Honestly, you see more Banksy prints at auction than you do Kaws. http://instagr.am/p/B1wA0JDgxd3
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New Kaws Print: SEPARATED, by sgolby on May 4, 2021 21:03:14 GMT 1, These will certainly increase in value. Not sure they are flippable at 2x after release, however over time they will surely appreciate.
Again, people are selling cutouts of 2nd tier prints of his for 5k. The fact that this is one of the rare times he is releasing a single print image of an iconic figure limited to 250 plus APs.
Just saying, whether or not you like KAWS, he is one of the most iconic artists of his generation, and certainly one of the most collected.
Just saying if you like the image, and buy art hoping it will appreciate, this is a case where it certainly will. If you want to flip, in this case, stick to his toys.
These will certainly increase in value. Not sure they are flippable at 2x after release, however over time they will surely appreciate.
Again, people are selling cutouts of 2nd tier prints of his for 5k. The fact that this is one of the rare times he is releasing a single print image of an iconic figure limited to 250 plus APs.
Just saying, whether or not you like KAWS, he is one of the most iconic artists of his generation, and certainly one of the most collected.
Just saying if you like the image, and buy art hoping it will appreciate, this is a case where it certainly will. If you want to flip, in this case, stick to his toys.
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New Kaws Print: SEPARATED, by sgolby on May 4, 2021 17:34:36 GMT 1, I like that he is going back to his old way of releasing prints. Sure I know there are ways to game the lottery system, but I feel like in this way he at least levels the playing field somewhat.
As for the image, I tend to prefer his more colorful abstract work, although this particular image I do like quite a bit. Not sure how I feel about the price, but the fact that cutouts are going for 5K kind of makes me feel more comfortable with this price. S
I like that he is going back to his old way of releasing prints. Sure I know there are ways to game the lottery system, but I feel like in this way he at least levels the playing field somewhat.
As for the image, I tend to prefer his more colorful abstract work, although this particular image I do like quite a bit. Not sure how I feel about the price, but the fact that cutouts are going for 5K kind of makes me feel more comfortable with this price. S
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OSGEMEOS - Segredos @ Pinacoteca, Sรฃo Paulo - Brazil, by sgolby on May 3, 2021 10:40:40 GMT 1, Wow wow wow!!! Thank you for sharing!!
Wow wow wow!!! Thank you for sharing!!
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For Sale , by sgolby on Apr 29, 2021 19:54:31 GMT 1, For the love of god, if you are making a for sale listing, please take the time to:
POST AT LEAST ONE PHOTOGRAPH
GIVE A PRICE RANGE
The feed being clogged with Craigs list caliber sales threads is getting to be annoying.
For the love of god, if you are making a for sale listing, please take the time to:
POST AT LEAST ONE PHOTOGRAPH
GIVE A PRICE RANGE
The feed being clogged with Craigs list caliber sales threads is getting to be annoying.
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Futura in DDT store, by sgolby on Apr 29, 2021 11:36:32 GMT 1, Thanks for sharing
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Paris Exhibition - Daijiro Hama, by sgolby on Apr 29, 2021 11:35:21 GMT 1, Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for sharing!
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