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Dreweatts Art Auctions 🇬🇧, by stjohn on Oct 15, 2008 15:18:27 GMT 1, Don't know with Dreweatts, but sellers fees usually are:
Around 10-15% plus VAT Any catalogue illustration fees plus VAT] 1.5% for insurance
So, lots if you don't do a deal with them...
Don't know with Dreweatts, but sellers fees usually are:
Around 10-15% plus VAT Any catalogue illustration fees plus VAT] 1.5% for insurance
So, lots if you don't do a deal with them...
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Dreweatts Art Auctions 🇬🇧, by stjohn on Oct 14, 2008 22:05:50 GMT 1, I see blek's walking through walls was 4500. What about the other 2 (space cowboy and last tango canvases)?
I see blek's walking through walls was 4500. What about the other 2 (space cowboy and last tango canvases)?
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Early Fairey spraypaint on album - value?, by stjohn on Oct 14, 2008 17:07:18 GMT 1, Thanks bonesy. My gut feeling was right perhaps. Will hang on.
Thanks bonesy. My gut feeling was right perhaps. Will hang on.
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Early Fairey spraypaint on album - value?, by stjohn on Oct 14, 2008 13:04:01 GMT 1,
I would like to buy this piece, which is spraypaint on an old album cover and dates back to 2002, but am very unsure as to value. I know that the newer screenprinted ones are around £500, but the asking price for this is £1,600 which seems high to me. Anyone any ideas on value as I have never seen before and nothing to go by. Its an older piece and is spray not print... 30cm x 30cm.
I would like to buy this piece, which is spraypaint on an old album cover and dates back to 2002, but am very unsure as to value. I know that the newer screenprinted ones are around £500, but the asking price for this is £1,600 which seems high to me. Anyone any ideas on value as I have never seen before and nothing to go by. Its an older piece and is spray not print... 30cm x 30cm.
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Zhang Dali, by stjohn on Oct 13, 2008 15:02:04 GMT 1, For those who do not yet know, I thought I would let you know about Zhang Dali, who is a Chinese artist and who was a street artist in Beijing in the 90's. There had never been any graffiti or any other street art by this time. Zhang spray painted over 2000 silhouettes of his own head to be in "dialogue" with the buildings in Beijing which were being demolished. He then took photos of this, and most of the time chiseled the bricks away to create a hole in the shape of his head. Here are some of the photos:
and some canvases:
You can still get photographs now (between £4-6K I think). These are important because there are no other artists in China who have done anything like it, and it not only fits in with street art as we all know it, but he is also a very collectable (at much lower cost that the rest!!) Chinese contemporary artist.
Saatchi certainly rates him as he collects his works: which incidentally are on display in the new Saatchi gallery which just opened in London.
MOMA New York has just acquired his work:
www.artzinechina.com/display_vol_aid648_en.html
Zhang is one of three artists ever (Jackson Pollock and Haring being the others) to be on the front cover of Time magazine:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Dali
This is an extract from the chinesecontemporary.com website:
He wants to enter into a dialogue with his compatriots whom he sees as becoming increasingly estranged as the drive towards modernisation continues. His early graffiti work can still be seen all over the Chinese capital. His signature outline of a human head was found, among other places, on traditional courtyard houses marked for demolition. The artist called this graffiti work "Dialogue" and documented it by photography.
More interesting links here - on Wooster
www.woostercollective.com/2004/10/china_where_do_we_begin.html
Interview CNN:
edition.cnn.com/2006/TRAVEL/12/07/beijing.qa/
For those who do not yet know, I thought I would let you know about Zhang Dali, who is a Chinese artist and who was a street artist in Beijing in the 90's. There had never been any graffiti or any other street art by this time. Zhang spray painted over 2000 silhouettes of his own head to be in "dialogue" with the buildings in Beijing which were being demolished. He then took photos of this, and most of the time chiseled the bricks away to create a hole in the shape of his head. Here are some of the photos: and some canvases: You can still get photographs now (between £4-6K I think). These are important because there are no other artists in China who have done anything like it, and it not only fits in with street art as we all know it, but he is also a very collectable (at much lower cost that the rest!!) Chinese contemporary artist. Saatchi certainly rates him as he collects his works: which incidentally are on display in the new Saatchi gallery which just opened in London. MOMA New York has just acquired his work: www.artzinechina.com/display_vol_aid648_en.htmlZhang is one of three artists ever (Jackson Pollock and Haring being the others) to be on the front cover of Time magazine: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_DaliThis is an extract from the chinesecontemporary.com website: He wants to enter into a dialogue with his compatriots whom he sees as becoming increasingly estranged as the drive towards modernisation continues. His early graffiti work can still be seen all over the Chinese capital. His signature outline of a human head was found, among other places, on traditional courtyard houses marked for demolition. The artist called this graffiti work "Dialogue" and documented it by photography. More interesting links here - on Wooster www.woostercollective.com/2004/10/china_where_do_we_begin.htmlInterview CNN: edition.cnn.com/2006/TRAVEL/12/07/beijing.qa/
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Jose Parla is a legend, by stjohn on Oct 10, 2008 11:49:31 GMT 1, I thought watercolours (big ones) were more like £7-8K (inc) in Italy, so must be more than £8-9K now? More like £11-12K (inc) at a guess, but I don't know.
I thought watercolours (big ones) were more like £7-8K (inc) in Italy, so must be more than £8-9K now? More like £11-12K (inc) at a guess, but I don't know.
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jose parla pirate alphabet #3, by stjohn on Oct 6, 2008 21:08:59 GMT 1, So, what does that make the Memory Document print worth? Bigger, but maybe not as nice.
So, what does that make the Memory Document print worth? Bigger, but maybe not as nice.
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jose parla pirate alphabet #3, by stjohn on Oct 6, 2008 21:02:50 GMT 1, Nailed at GBP3100
Nailed at GBP3100
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jose parla pirate alphabet #3, by stjohn on Oct 6, 2008 19:42:58 GMT 1, .... and b r e a t h e .......
.... and b r e a t h e .......
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jose parla pirate alphabet #3, by stjohn on Oct 6, 2008 19:07:12 GMT 1, good man nattymatt!
good man nattymatt!
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jose parla pirate alphabet #3, by stjohn on Oct 6, 2008 19:00:40 GMT 1, In ricosg11's defence: he wanted USD6400 (GBP3600) for this originally. What possible motivation does he have for bidding this up? Its not like he's got the other 19 sitting around and will make a packet is it! Just what is wrong with a collector registering on ebay the day before and bidding in 100's to see if a piece can be secured. I don't buy much on ebay at all and have had an account 5 years - so what?
In ricosg11's defence: he wanted USD6400 (GBP3600) for this originally. What possible motivation does he have for bidding this up? Its not like he's got the other 19 sitting around and will make a packet is it! Just what is wrong with a collector registering on ebay the day before and bidding in 100's to see if a piece can be secured. I don't buy much on ebay at all and have had an account 5 years - so what?
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by stjohn on Oct 6, 2008 12:11:29 GMT 1, Have just got the Bonhams catalogue in the post, and it is fantastic!! Lots of fold out pages and all looks great!
Have just got the Bonhams catalogue in the post, and it is fantastic!! Lots of fold out pages and all looks great!
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SOTHEBY'S PRINT SALE OCT 2ND , by stjohn on Oct 2, 2008 17:44:46 GMT 1, a mixed bag, amongst other things I suppose the standout things are couple of Picasso etchings, a few Miro etchings, a Ben Nicholson, a few Richard Hamiltons, 2 Grosvenor School linocuts (though sadly I can't afford these any longer) an auerbach drawing from the 50's, stuff like that. I do collect contemporary but it's much more selective now, Dzama is about the newest artist I own anything by any more.
Sounds good. I like Frank's work. Dzama looks interesting too: been keeping an eye out! Don't know Nicholson or Hamilton..
a mixed bag, amongst other things I suppose the standout things are couple of Picasso etchings, a few Miro etchings, a Ben Nicholson, a few Richard Hamiltons, 2 Grosvenor School linocuts (though sadly I can't afford these any longer) an auerbach drawing from the 50's, stuff like that. I do collect contemporary but it's much more selective now, Dzama is about the newest artist I own anything by any more. Sounds good. I like Frank's work. Dzama looks interesting too: been keeping an eye out! Don't know Nicholson or Hamilton..
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SOTHEBY'S PRINT SALE OCT 2ND , by stjohn on Oct 2, 2008 16:51:01 GMT 1, Minus the sleepers you have up your sleeve and would obviously keep secret, do you mind disclosing what sort of stuff is in your post war Modern British, and European master prints collection?
Minus the sleepers you have up your sleeve and would obviously keep secret, do you mind disclosing what sort of stuff is in your post war Modern British, and European master prints collection?
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SOTHEBY'S PRINT SALE OCT 2ND , by stjohn on Oct 2, 2008 16:47:46 GMT 1, Safe = potentially less return though. But, it depends on your exposure though I guess.
Safe = potentially less return though. But, it depends on your exposure though I guess.
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SOTHEBY'S PRINT SALE OCT 2ND , by stjohn on Oct 2, 2008 16:37:40 GMT 1, Bonhams in Feb was 96% sold!! What will happen on 23rd though? I predict 70%.
Bonhams in Feb was 96% sold!! What will happen on 23rd though? I predict 70%.
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SOTHEBY'S PRINT SALE OCT 2ND , by stjohn on Oct 2, 2008 16:32:12 GMT 1, Is it really that - 35%? Just seemed like a lot more did'nt go. The first Bonhams Urban Art auction did v well then as I recall.
Is it really that - 35%? Just seemed like a lot more did'nt go. The first Bonhams Urban Art auction did v well then as I recall.
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SOTHEBY'S PRINT SALE OCT 2ND , by stjohn on Oct 2, 2008 16:27:51 GMT 1, For the 136 lots in the second half of the sale, only 82 sold, which is 60%. Think that is a bit of cooling off in relation to contemporary art generally...
For the 136 lots in the second half of the sale, only 82 sold, which is 60%. Think that is a bit of cooling off in relation to contemporary art generally...
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Interviewing José Parlá, by stjohn on Oct 1, 2008 10:16:20 GMT 1, Has he got any work in museums yet?
Has he got any work in museums yet?
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Jose Parla Pirate Alphabet #3, by stjohn on Sept 30, 2008 16:07:26 GMT 1, I agree, especially when you look at the offer history on the piece and all have been declined. Seems suspicious that the winner of the piece didnt even try to get the price down a bit, straight up winning bid on the BIN with zero attempt to even get 50 GBP off the price. We'll see if this one shows up at auction as well. Regards the *cough* private auction cough* The buyer seems genuine and has good feedback. There were a number of offers on this print one for £2350 from ebay and a further private one for £2450...
Were you not interested in the private bid of £2,450?!
I agree, especially when you look at the offer history on the piece and all have been declined. Seems suspicious that the winner of the piece didnt even try to get the price down a bit, straight up winning bid on the BIN with zero attempt to even get 50 GBP off the price. We'll see if this one shows up at auction as well. Regards the *cough* private auction cough* The buyer seems genuine and has good feedback. There were a number of offers on this print one for £2350 from ebay and a further private one for £2450... Were you not interested in the private bid of £2,450?!
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Jose Parla Pirate Alphabet #3, by stjohn on Sept 29, 2008 21:22:32 GMT 1, Good luck ricosg11!
Good luck ricosg11!
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by stjohn on Sept 27, 2008 12:07:23 GMT 1, Does anyone here have any idea of pricing for the show yet? If all pieces have (supposedly) sold, someone must know...
Does anyone here have any idea of pricing for the show yet? If all pieces have (supposedly) sold, someone must know...
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Jose Parla Pirate Alphabet #3, by stjohn on Sept 26, 2008 18:21:50 GMT 1, ricosg11 - have you had any interest in this piece?!
ricosg11 - have you had any interest in this piece?!
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Jose Parla Pirate Alphabet #3, by stjohn on Sept 26, 2008 18:11:07 GMT 1, Not fluff again!
Not fluff again!
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by stjohn on Sept 19, 2008 20:04:07 GMT 1, Here's my point. Again, my housing analogy for example. A flipper buys a new condo at 100k, let's guess that 10% in fees are assumed in closing the deal. The house now cost 110k. Flipper puts house up for sale again and let's say he even decides he justs wants out and is willing to break even. Now the new buyer has to pay another 10% in fees on the 110 . So cost is now 121k. The way I see it that extra 11k is all fluff. At least that's how I describe it. This goes on and on until something breaks and someone has to take a loss.
Right, I see. So flipper was happy to pay 110k, and new buyer is happy to pay 121k. If he (new buyer) wants to sell the next day and price becomes 132k or whatever, his buyer either buys or doesn't buy. If he doesnt but = was too much. If he does buy = happy to pay that much and evidence of a market price with willing buyer and willing seller...
Here's my point. Again, my housing analogy for example. A flipper buys a new condo at 100k, let's guess that 10% in fees are assumed in closing the deal. The house now cost 110k. Flipper puts house up for sale again and let's say he even decides he justs wants out and is willing to break even. Now the new buyer has to pay another 10% in fees on the 110 . So cost is now 121k. The way I see it that extra 11k is all fluff. At least that's how I describe it. This goes on and on until something breaks and someone has to take a loss. Right, I see. So flipper was happy to pay 110k, and new buyer is happy to pay 121k. If he (new buyer) wants to sell the next day and price becomes 132k or whatever, his buyer either buys or doesn't buy. If he doesnt but = was too much. If he does buy = happy to pay that much and evidence of a market price with willing buyer and willing seller...
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Bonham's and Dreweatt's Urban Art Sale Catalogues, by stjohn on Sept 19, 2008 18:29:23 GMT 1, Yes, but when someone bids at auction they know the fees will be added and what the ultimate price will be. That is why the total outlay by the buyer is the "market price". Theoretically, after the auction dealers will try and sell at that market price. I can't see any fluff. The auction bidder knew what he had to pay. No bid, no sale.
Yes, but when someone bids at auction they know the fees will be added and what the ultimate price will be. That is why the total outlay by the buyer is the "market price". Theoretically, after the auction dealers will try and sell at that market price. I can't see any fluff. The auction bidder knew what he had to pay. No bid, no sale.
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by stjohn on Sept 15, 2008 13:58:53 GMT 1, My worry would be that buyers who get a Sothebys or Christies catalogue would not notice the Parla stuck in there and not know its context, whereas in a dedicated "urban art" sale, it is a bigger fish in a smaller pond. Don't know though, there are arguments both ways. With no auction history at all, not even sure which is best. He should do well at Dreweatts though.
My worry would be that buyers who get a Sothebys or Christies catalogue would not notice the Parla stuck in there and not know its context, whereas in a dedicated "urban art" sale, it is a bigger fish in a smaller pond. Don't know though, there are arguments both ways. With no auction history at all, not even sure which is best. He should do well at Dreweatts though.
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José Parlá - Adaptation | Translation, by stjohn on Sept 15, 2008 13:40:45 GMT 1, How strange! I got to it all ok earlier without password and rang up to order a catalogue. I can see now that there is a password!
Lot 32 is a Parla watercolour and acrylic 76cm x 110cm - John Jones framed - 2007.
Est: £10-15000
Sorry - can't do a screenshot.
How strange! I got to it all ok earlier without password and rang up to order a catalogue. I can see now that there is a password!
Lot 32 is a Parla watercolour and acrylic 76cm x 110cm - John Jones framed - 2007.
Est: £10-15000
Sorry - can't do a screenshot.
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