mmmike
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by mmmike on Oct 16, 2012 19:15:11 GMT 1, When it looks too good to be true it probably is...
Not Original Fake, just fake 
www.ebay.ca/itm/150925221085?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_500wt_1070
I contacted the seller about the authenticity and this is what he said...
"This painting was a one off done by KAWS. My cousin and KAWS went to art school in New York together and KAWS gave this to my cousin when they graduated back in 1996. My cousin gave me this painting back in 2003 and I have had it hanging on my wall since. The painting is signed on the back however it is framed and sealed. Since the was a one off painting and was not in a series, it does not have the COA since it was a gift to my cousin from KAWS. Rest assured that this painting is authentic as I am a legit seller and I have sold signed Futura paintings, signed Mark Gonzales paintings, signed Shepard Fairey prints, signed Lance Mountain paintings, signed Evan Hecox prints, etc."
Sounds possible. Here was my reply,
"I'd be very interested if you or I could get it authenticated by KAWS. How much would you want to end the auction and do this right having it authenticated first? What is your cousin's name?"
His reply,
"I'll try and see if I can have KAWS authenticate it some way or another. I'm going to let the auction run it's course bc I have had many inquiries about it."
Then me again,
"Not much point continuing the auction unless it is fake. Get it checked out first. You will get a lot more after the fact. You would have to be a real sucker to buy it without authentication. Unless you know its fake.
You never said what your cousin's name was?"
His response,
"His name is Boyce Cummings"
So I googled Boyce Cummings, found an email address and checked out the story. Boyce Cummings doesn't know anything about the painting or the seller. Mr Cummings seemed like a really nice guy but he was in no way related to the seller.
So maybe it was a different Boyce Cummings? Nope. Kaws went to the School of Visual Arts in New York in 1996. So did this Mr. Cummings.
In fact when I google "School of Visual Arts in New York 1996" the first thing that comes up is an article on Boyce Cummings.
Clearly that's how the seller pulled that name out of his arse.
So long story short the listing is too good to be true.
When it looks too good to be true it probably is... Not Original Fake, just fake www.ebay.ca/itm/150925221085?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_500wt_1070I contacted the seller about the authenticity and this is what he said... "This painting was a one off done by KAWS. My cousin and KAWS went to art school in New York together and KAWS gave this to my cousin when they graduated back in 1996. My cousin gave me this painting back in 2003 and I have had it hanging on my wall since. The painting is signed on the back however it is framed and sealed. Since the was a one off painting and was not in a series, it does not have the COA since it was a gift to my cousin from KAWS. Rest assured that this painting is authentic as I am a legit seller and I have sold signed Futura paintings, signed Mark Gonzales paintings, signed Shepard Fairey prints, signed Lance Mountain paintings, signed Evan Hecox prints, etc." Sounds possible. Here was my reply, "I'd be very interested if you or I could get it authenticated by KAWS. How much would you want to end the auction and do this right having it authenticated first? What is your cousin's name?" His reply, "I'll try and see if I can have KAWS authenticate it some way or another. I'm going to let the auction run it's course bc I have had many inquiries about it." Then me again, "Not much point continuing the auction unless it is fake. Get it checked out first. You will get a lot more after the fact. You would have to be a real sucker to buy it without authentication. Unless you know its fake. You never said what your cousin's name was?" His response, "His name is Boyce Cummings" So I googled Boyce Cummings, found an email address and checked out the story. Boyce Cummings doesn't know anything about the painting or the seller. Mr Cummings seemed like a really nice guy but he was in no way related to the seller. So maybe it was a different Boyce Cummings? Nope. Kaws went to the School of Visual Arts in New York in 1996. So did this Mr. Cummings. In fact when I google "School of Visual Arts in New York 1996" the first thing that comes up is an article on Boyce Cummings. Clearly that's how the seller pulled that name out of his arse. So long story short the listing is too good to be true. |
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pelle
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by pelle on Oct 16, 2012 19:37:10 GMT 1, *boys cumming*?
I can't believe that is an actual name.
*boys cumming*?
I can't believe that is an actual name.
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tmccarthy41
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by tmccarthy41 on Oct 16, 2012 19:53:34 GMT 1, I saw this too-
Wrote the seller asking for a COA.. Same reply
I saw this too-
Wrote the seller asking for a COA.. Same reply
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Dr Plip
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by Dr Plip on Oct 16, 2012 20:14:11 GMT 1, Boyce Cummings might be getting a few emails over the next five days then.
Boyce Cummings might be getting a few emails over the next five days then.
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by searchandrescue on Oct 16, 2012 20:51:59 GMT 1, Boycie's comming?
Boycie's comming?
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by covertshadowops on Oct 16, 2012 21:01:21 GMT 1, The chum wasn't even an idea of kaws in 1996.
He was found ad disruptions.
Canvas work not until late 1999. Maybe even 2000.
The chum wasn't even an idea of kaws in 1996.
He was found ad disruptions.
Canvas work not until late 1999. Maybe even 2000.
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letiss
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by letiss on Oct 16, 2012 21:42:58 GMT 1, (Boycie) Marleeene!!
(Boycie) Marleeene!!
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mmmike
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by mmmike on Oct 16, 2012 21:59:41 GMT 1, The chum wasn't even an idea of kaws in 1996. He was found ad disruptions. Canvas work not until late 1999. Maybe even 2000.
I thought the same thing but thought there may be a chance that he first did it in art school. It was worth sending a few emails to confirm on the 1 in a million chance it was real and would go for a reasonable sum.
I think it is ok to dream, you just need to wake up before the money clears 
The chum wasn't even an idea of kaws in 1996. He was found ad disruptions. Canvas work not until late 1999. Maybe even 2000. I thought the same thing but thought there may be a chance that he first did it in art school. It was worth sending a few emails to confirm on the 1 in a million chance it was real and would go for a reasonable sum. I think it is ok to dream, you just need to wake up before the money clears |
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chaserawr
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by chaserawr on Oct 16, 2012 22:48:45 GMT 1, The chum wasn't even an idea of kaws in 1996. He was found ad disruptions. Canvas work not until late 1999. Maybe even 2000. I thought the same thing but thought there may be a chance that he first did it in art school. It was worth sending a few emails to confirm on the 1 in a million chance it was real and would go for a reasonable sum. I think it is ok to dream, you just need to wake up before the money clears
It made for a great read with my morning tea.
The chum wasn't even an idea of kaws in 1996. He was found ad disruptions. Canvas work not until late 1999. Maybe even 2000. I thought the same thing but thought there may be a chance that he first did it in art school. It was worth sending a few emails to confirm on the 1 in a million chance it was real and would go for a reasonable sum. I think it is ok to dream, you just need to wake up before the money clears It made for a great read with my morning tea. |
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1ate7
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by 1ate7 on Oct 17, 2012 9:19:43 GMT 1, And now suddenly the piece lost his sinature :-)
He wrote me exactly the same bullshit mails!
And now suddenly the piece lost his sinature :-)
He wrote me exactly the same bullshit mails!
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ilmambo
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by ilmambo on Oct 17, 2012 10:01:18 GMT 1, there's a bid now... $1.5k for a fake.
there's a bid now... $1.5k for a fake.
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Dr Plip
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by Dr Plip on Oct 17, 2012 10:56:33 GMT 1, Has anyone passed this listing over to KAWS?
Has anyone passed this listing over to KAWS?
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mrjames
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by mrjames on Oct 17, 2012 15:42:40 GMT 1, Horrible line work, even for a fake.
Horrible line work, even for a fake.
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astrobboy
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by astrobboy on Oct 22, 2012 6:51:36 GMT 1, Someone paid US$2800 for it
Someone paid US$2800 for it |
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tobaum
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by tobaum on Oct 23, 2012 10:43:22 GMT 1, Someone paid US$2800 for it
Can't believe some people don't do their homeworks for that kind of money...
Someone paid US$2800 for it Can't believe some people don't do their homeworks for that kind of money... |
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by Happy Shopper on Oct 23, 2012 10:54:00 GMT 1, Has anyone passed this listing over to KAWS?
I sent it to the contact section on Kawsone, asking about it's authentisity, and telling the same story about the cousin... as usual with Kawsone... no response !
Kaws is his own worst enemy when it comes to fakes. Seems he doesn't care.
Has anyone passed this listing over to KAWS? I sent it to the contact section on Kawsone, asking about it's authentisity, and telling the same story about the cousin... as usual with Kawsone... no response ! Kaws is his own worst enemy when it comes to fakes. Seems he doesn't care. |
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mmmike
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volvic
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by volvic on Oct 24, 2012 2:48:11 GMT 1, Its not really brians job to authenticate every piece of kaws work out there. As much as it sucks its the buyers fault for not doing his homework or at least getting in touch with a gallery that rep's him. He must get hundreds of emails a day asking the same thing and in reality he just doesnt have the time to reply as his operation is pretty small.
Its not really brians job to authenticate every piece of kaws work out there. As much as it sucks its the buyers fault for not doing his homework or at least getting in touch with a gallery that rep's him. He must get hundreds of emails a day asking the same thing and in reality he just doesnt have the time to reply as his operation is pretty small.
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willnyc
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The first one is real,I have that exact one and it is from a set of 3 from elms Lester show in the early 2000's The 2nd one is a fake. Hope this helps |
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willnyc
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by willnyc on Oct 24, 2012 6:35:54 GMT 1, Its not really brians job to authenticate every piece of kaws work out there. As much as it sucks its the buyers fault for not doing his homework or at least getting in touch with a gallery that rep's him. He must get hundreds of emails a day asking the same thing and in reality he just doesnt have the time to reply as his operation is pretty small.
If I saw this earlier I could have tried to reach out to his studio team to get it authenticated but it would have taken them a few day to reply since they are finishing up the Paris show.
Its not really brians job to authenticate every piece of kaws work out there. As much as it sucks its the buyers fault for not doing his homework or at least getting in touch with a gallery that rep's him. He must get hundreds of emails a day asking the same thing and in reality he just doesnt have the time to reply as his operation is pretty small. If I saw this earlier I could have tried to reach out to his studio team to get it authenticated but it would have taken them a few day to reply since they are finishing up the Paris show. |
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Harveyn
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by Harveyn on Oct 24, 2012 7:41:11 GMT 1, Its not really brians job to authenticate every piece of kaws work out there. As much as it sucks its the buyers fault for not doing his homework or at least getting in touch with a gallery that rep's him. He must get hundreds of emails a day asking the same thing and in reality he just doesnt have the time to reply as his operation is pretty small.
Volvic I do not disagree completely but I do know that the primary galleries that represent him do not offer this service either. Its potentially a huge problem going forward depending on the level of success he obtains.
I have looked to buy originals on the secondary market before most of which if not all do not have paperwork (early works admittedly) but in the end have either taken a risk after a combination of the following or simply declined to buy.
1. Listening to the provenance the seller can offer (anecdotal)
2. Through studying the work
3. Reviewing historical literature
4. Reviewing images from shows/books
For this reason I do think its a shame that Brian and his team (galleries) do not offer this type of service. I would say that for recent works sold they probably have some sort of paperwork and the primary galleries will no doubt authentic works they have sold.
It has to be said if paperwork provenance is you thing no one does it as good as PC with unique protected serial numbers and registered owners.
Its not really brians job to authenticate every piece of kaws work out there. As much as it sucks its the buyers fault for not doing his homework or at least getting in touch with a gallery that rep's him. He must get hundreds of emails a day asking the same thing and in reality he just doesnt have the time to reply as his operation is pretty small. Volvic I do not disagree completely but I do know that the primary galleries that represent him do not offer this service either. Its potentially a huge problem going forward depending on the level of success he obtains. I have looked to buy originals on the secondary market before most of which if not all do not have paperwork (early works admittedly) but in the end have either taken a risk after a combination of the following or simply declined to buy. 1. Listening to the provenance the seller can offer (anecdotal) 2. Through studying the work 3. Reviewing historical literature 4. Reviewing images from shows/books For this reason I do think its a shame that Brian and his team (galleries) do not offer this type of service. I would say that for recent works sold they probably have some sort of paperwork and the primary galleries will no doubt authentic works they have sold. It has to be said if paperwork provenance is you thing no one does it as good as PC with unique protected serial numbers and registered owners. |
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mmmike
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by mmmike on Oct 24, 2012 11:41:45 GMT 1, The first one is real,I have that exact one and it is from a set of 3 from elms Lester show in the early 2000's The 2nd one is a fake. Hope this helps
Thanks but I'm more interested in how I can tell not specifically on those two but in general. What to look for, what paper was used, where were they issued, signed, unsigned, numbered any differences between the real and fake ones. Stuff like that.
The first one is real,I have that exact one and it is from a set of 3 from elms Lester show in the early 2000's The 2nd one is a fake. Hope this helps Thanks but I'm more interested in how I can tell not specifically on those two but in general. What to look for, what paper was used, where were they issued, signed, unsigned, numbered any differences between the real and fake ones. Stuff like that. |
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snelj8
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by snelj8 on Oct 27, 2012 4:59:10 GMT 1, Anyone see the last couple Running Chums on ebay sold for ~$1500? Seems a steal for these prints... anyone on here pick these up or inquire with the seller about these? The pics used look generic from google...
Anyone see the last couple Running Chums on ebay sold for ~$1500? Seems a steal for these prints... anyone on here pick these up or inquire with the seller about these? The pics used look generic from google...
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1ate7
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Fake KAWS on ebay, by 1ate7 on Oct 28, 2012 13:16:37 GMT 1, I placed a bit, but I was not the winner, then he offered me the piece suddenly again. He was mailing alway a different information adn nothing matched. Also a couple of stupid excuses. I assume: he donยดt have original pieces of this print series. Donยดt touch this. I also send an info to ebay about the dude. cheers
I placed a bit, but I was not the winner, then he offered me the piece suddenly again. He was mailing alway a different information adn nothing matched. Also a couple of stupid excuses. I assume: he donยดt have original pieces of this print series. Donยดt touch this. I also send an info to ebay about the dude. cheers
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