Strange Al
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by Strange Al on Jun 22, 2007 21:14:25 GMT 1, rob Sorry that the prints are perhaps a littlemore than you would like them to be. Just thought I should try and defend our position a little - these are v difficult to make with 4 - 5 times as many colours as your average screenprint. When you print you usually pay for time, paper, and how many colours you use. If you think a 4 colour screenprint is fair at say - £100 then these would be fair at far more than we are charging. It's not really the Banksy effect in this case - they just cost a small fortune to make because they used so many screens and are so detailed. I think whilst it may be a lot of money to spend on a print - it is fair. We would certainly be better off financially doing 4 colour prints at £100 - £150 but we'd also be bored s**tless.
Mike - glad you posted that. Saved me a bit of typing. 
rob Sorry that the prints are perhaps a littlemore than you would like them to be. Just thought I should try and defend our position a little - these are v difficult to make with 4 - 5 times as many colours as your average screenprint. When you print you usually pay for time, paper, and how many colours you use. If you think a 4 colour screenprint is fair at say - £100 then these would be fair at far more than we are charging. It's not really the Banksy effect in this case - they just cost a small fortune to make because they used so many screens and are so detailed. I think whilst it may be a lot of money to spend on a print - it is fair. We would certainly be better off financially doing 4 colour prints at £100 - £150 but we'd also be bored s**tless. Mike - glad you posted that. Saved me a bit of typing. |
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by thwaites on Jun 22, 2007 21:18:27 GMT 1, it does look stunnng, really looking forward to getting mine
It was a little more than I could spend at the moment but I shoved it on the old credit card (and will forget about it for the meantime), and Im sure it will be worth every penny when I see it in the flesh
it does look stunnng, really looking forward to getting mine It was a little more than I could spend at the moment but I shoved it on the old credit card (and will forget about it for the meantime), and Im sure it will be worth every penny when I see it in the flesh |
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by rob123rob on Jun 22, 2007 21:19:31 GMT 1, Sorry if I sounded like I was being rude, I don't mean to be. I get that there is a lot more work involved in this print; that's one of the reasons I want it so badly, because it is top-notch. Bought my Homeless in Paris (a lot fewer colors, I know) and can't wait, as it is my first purcahse from BRP and everyone on here says that BRP has the best quality prints. I was just hoping to wake up this morning to a 150 pound print from Kennard, so I could buy it right away. I will still hopefully get one, but just have shift some moneys around. Like I said in my first message, great image, great print, no harm intended.
Sorry if I sounded like I was being rude, I don't mean to be. I get that there is a lot more work involved in this print; that's one of the reasons I want it so badly, because it is top-notch. Bought my Homeless in Paris (a lot fewer colors, I know) and can't wait, as it is my first purcahse from BRP and everyone on here says that BRP has the best quality prints. I was just hoping to wake up this morning to a 150 pound print from Kennard, so I could buy it right away. I will still hopefully get one, but just have shift some moneys around. Like I said in my first message, great image, great print, no harm intended.
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by snakes on Jun 22, 2007 21:34:23 GMT 1, ..would love to see a close up of the print..
..would love to see a close up of the print..
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by BlackRatPress on Jun 22, 2007 22:17:53 GMT 1, rob
don't stress - I was in no way offended and think you raised an interesting point - it's depends whether people buy for the image alone or also the production.
rob
don't stress - I was in no way offended and think you raised an interesting point - it's depends whether people buy for the image alone or also the production.
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by johnas on Jun 22, 2007 22:23:56 GMT 1, rob don't stress - I was in no way offended and think you raised an interesting point - it's depends whether people buy for the image alone or also the production.
i think when it comes to BRP, the production is def part of the appeal. It always get mentioned and i love the fact that a 4 colour print would bore you s h i t l e s s!
keep on pushing the boundaries Mike and raising the bar.
J
rob don't stress - I was in no way offended and think you raised an interesting point - it's depends whether people buy for the image alone or also the production. i think when it comes to BRP, the production is def part of the appeal. It always get mentioned and i love the fact that a 4 colour print would bore you s h i t l e s s! keep on pushing the boundaries Mike and raising the bar. J |
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spidey
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by spidey on Jun 23, 2007 0:38:58 GMT 1, rob don't stress - I was in no way offended and think you raised an interesting point - it's depends whether people buy for the image alone or also the production.
Any chance the 'margret thatcher as queen victoria' image would ever be made available as a print
rob don't stress - I was in no way offended and think you raised an interesting point - it's depends whether people buy for the image alone or also the production. Any chance the 'margret thatcher as queen victoria' image would ever be made available as a print |
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by carlito on Jun 23, 2007 0:42:29 GMT 1, rob Sorry that the prints are perhaps a littlemore than you would like them to be. Just thought I should try and defend our position a little - these are v difficult to make with 4 - 5 times as many colours as your average screenprint. When you print you usually pay for time, paper, and how many colours you use. If you think a 4 colour screenprint is fair at say - £100 then these would be fair at far more than we are charging. It's not really the Banksy effect in this case - they just cost a small fortune to make because they used so many screens and are so detailed. I think whilst it may be a lot of money to spend on a print - it is fair. We would certainly be better off financially doing 4 colour prints at £100 - £150 but we'd also be bored s**tless.
nice one Mike - total respect - u guys keep surpassing yourselves
rob Sorry that the prints are perhaps a littlemore than you would like them to be. Just thought I should try and defend our position a little - these are v difficult to make with 4 - 5 times as many colours as your average screenprint. When you print you usually pay for time, paper, and how many colours you use. If you think a 4 colour screenprint is fair at say - £100 then these would be fair at far more than we are charging. It's not really the Banksy effect in this case - they just cost a small fortune to make because they used so many screens and are so detailed. I think whilst it may be a lot of money to spend on a print - it is fair. We would certainly be better off financially doing 4 colour prints at £100 - £150 but we'd also be bored s**tless. nice one Mike - total respect - u guys keep surpassing yourselves |
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notitle
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by notitle on Jun 23, 2007 2:18:48 GMT 1, I think BRP in general is very expensive with all of their prints. Thats why I love SOS soooooooo much
try calling you local screen printer (bare in mind they're probably not doing much for artists, more band posters etc...) and get a quote for a run of 75 20 colour screen prints that size on that paper.
I think BRP in general is very expensive with all of their prints. Thats why I love SOS soooooooo much try calling you local screen printer (bare in mind they're probably not doing much for artists, more band posters etc...) and get a quote for a run of 75 20 colour screen prints that size on that paper. |
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Montubu7
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by Montubu7 on Jun 23, 2007 2:27:08 GMT 1, To be fair BRP piss over most, if not everyone in terms of quality & production, plus the tubes come in handy for smashing up thieving chavs trying to clamber through the window to steal my D*Face print...... ( f**k of billy big boll*cks tubes, POW take note...)
To be fair BRP piss over most, if not everyone in terms of quality & production, plus the tubes come in handy for smashing up thieving chavs trying to clamber through the window to steal my D*Face print...... ( f**k of billy big boll*cks tubes, POW take note...)
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by michaelscott on Jun 23, 2007 5:15:55 GMT 1, I think BRP in general is very expensive with all of their prints. Thats why I love SOS soooooooo much try calling you local screen printer (bare in mind they're probably not doing much for artists, more band posters etc...) and get a quote for a run of 75 20 colour screen prints that size on that paper.
touché
I think BRP in general is very expensive with all of their prints. Thats why I love SOS soooooooo much try calling you local screen printer (bare in mind they're probably not doing much for artists, more band posters etc...) and get a quote for a run of 75 20 colour screen prints that size on that paper. touché |
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by slowmo on Feb 14, 2007 19:27:42 GMT 1, They have now added Nick Walker, no prints as yet though
They have now added Nick Walker, no prints as yet though
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by corblimeylimey on Feb 14, 2007 19:35:26 GMT 1, Yep, I think they're going to be a place to watch, although not the place for bargains in the POW sense.
It would be nice to see moona lisa up for grabs
Yep, I think they're going to be a place to watch, although not the place for bargains in the POW sense.
It would be nice to see moona lisa up for grabs
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by Daniel Silk on Feb 14, 2007 19:40:38 GMT 1, Yep, I think they're going to be a place to watch, although not the place for bargains in the POW sense.
I think in some ways POW are happy for places like StolenSpace, BlackRat & Rockaway to take a bit of custom just to make life easier ;D
Yep, I think they're going to be a place to watch, although not the place for bargains in the POW sense. I think in some ways POW are happy for places like StolenSpace, BlackRat & Rockaway to take a bit of custom just to make life easier ;D |
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by corblimeylimey on Feb 14, 2007 19:56:36 GMT 1, Yep, I think they're going to be a place to watch, although not the place for bargains in the POW sense. I think in some ways POW are happy for places like StolenSpace, BlackRat & Rockaway to take a bit of custom just to make life easier ;D
Although they all cater for the same kind of customer, each do it their own way.
Yep, I think they're going to be a place to watch, although not the place for bargains in the POW sense. I think in some ways POW are happy for places like StolenSpace, BlackRat & Rockaway to take a bit of custom just to make life easier ;D Although they all cater for the same kind of customer, each do it their own way. |
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by corblimeylimey on Feb 14, 2007 20:31:50 GMT 1, Looks like Logan Hicks and D Face may appear on BRP too, judging by their links page.
Looks like Logan Hicks and D Face may appear on BRP too, judging by their links page.
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by numusic on Feb 14, 2007 20:47:51 GMT 1, Looks like Logan Hicks and D Face may appear on BRP too, judging by their links page.
Yeah, Logan's doing a screenprint and D's working on an actual etching ! should work really well for some of his wheatepate designs. Perfect medium. Good to see a gallery/agent directing some creative work rather than simply churning out cheap and easy prints and giclee's
Looks like Logan Hicks and D Face may appear on BRP too, judging by their links page. Yeah, Logan's doing a screenprint and D's working on an actual etching ! should work really well for some of his wheatepate designs. Perfect medium. Good to see a gallery/agent directing some creative work rather than simply churning out cheap and easy prints and giclee's |
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RBK
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by RBK on Feb 14, 2007 21:05:55 GMT 1, Couldn't agree more Nu - when these prints are coming available on POW I wonder if people are really thinking about what they are buying.
Couldn't agree more Nu - when these prints are coming available on POW I wonder if people are really thinking about what they are buying.
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by numusic on Feb 14, 2007 21:23:49 GMT 1, Couldn't agree more Nu - when these prints are coming available on POW I wonder if people are really thinking about what they are buying.
To be honest, I think most do. Entry level and affordable, they've never said anything other. The more expensive ones on POW tend to be far more complex and worked. But I guess the more you buy and collect, the more conscious you become of the "craft" that goes into producing a work.
We'll all end up a bunch of fat art snobs if we're not careful though
Anyone wanna come up and see my etchings ?
Couldn't agree more Nu - when these prints are coming available on POW I wonder if people are really thinking about what they are buying. To be honest, I think most do. Entry level and affordable, they've never said anything other. The more expensive ones on POW tend to be far more complex and worked. But I guess the more you buy and collect, the more conscious you become of the "craft" that goes into producing a work. We'll all end up a bunch of fat art snobs if we're not careful though Anyone wanna come up and see my etchings ? |
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BK83
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by BK83 on Feb 14, 2007 21:31:00 GMT 1, Couldn't agree more Nu - when these prints are coming available on POW I wonder if people are really thinking about what they are buying.
absolutely! POW has permeated urban pop culture which in turn has made their artists a commodity as opposed to the actual art being the commodity.
Couldn't agree more Nu - when these prints are coming available on POW I wonder if people are really thinking about what they are buying. absolutely! POW has permeated urban pop culture which in turn has made their artists a commodity as opposed to the actual art being the commodity. |
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by numusic on Feb 14, 2007 22:36:12 GMT 1, Couldn't agree more Nu - when these prints are coming available on POW I wonder if people are really thinking about what they are buying. absolutely! POW has permeated urban pop culture which in turn has made their artists a commodity as opposed to the actual art being the commodity.
A bit like Beckham's gonna do for your soccer but yeah, you're spot on. It's a fine line to tread between two opposing theories. The "Cult" and religiousity of art as promoted by the church and modernist academics, versus post modernism and art for the people.. I don't imagine they'll ever be aligned as they seem to satisfy a basic human need.
At the end of the day, building a bridge into the world of contemporary art for us normal folk and creating the access and debates it does, can only be a good thing. Sounds a bit poncy, but having an interest in art certainly improves your standard of living. If not your wallet.
Couldn't agree more Nu - when these prints are coming available on POW I wonder if people are really thinking about what they are buying. absolutely! POW has permeated urban pop culture which in turn has made their artists a commodity as opposed to the actual art being the commodity. A bit like Beckham's gonna do for your soccer but yeah, you're spot on. It's a fine line to tread between two opposing theories. The "Cult" and religiousity of art as promoted by the church and modernist academics, versus post modernism and art for the people.. I don't imagine they'll ever be aligned as they seem to satisfy a basic human need. At the end of the day, building a bridge into the world of contemporary art for us normal folk and creating the access and debates it does, can only be a good thing. Sounds a bit poncy, but having an interest in art certainly improves your standard of living. If not your wallet. |
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RBK
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by RBK on Feb 14, 2007 23:46:59 GMT 1, I hear what you guys are saying. Maybe I'm quite picky in my tastes and don't buy things with the intention to just stick in a portfolio. For example, I could have bought some of those Faile when they came on sale - but proactively passed on them. An Nu, we are already art snobs
I hear what you guys are saying. Maybe I'm quite picky in my tastes and don't buy things with the intention to just stick in a portfolio. For example, I could have bought some of those Faile when they came on sale - but proactively passed on them. An Nu, we are already art snobs |
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by pastiepie on Feb 15, 2007 2:11:53 GMT 1, I can only see this as a good thing. POW seem to have turned into a mass-market PR machine. With all the commoners eyes keenly glued to the POW website allowing the rest to quietly slip in and raid blackratpress. I'm just slightly concerned with the prices, I don't know if they get their printing done externally or they just work with higher profit margins but 300quid for a screenprint is pretty expensive and this will definitely decrease their sales volume. I mean POW can basically shift anything these days by a combination of hype / affordability / volume.
I can only see this as a good thing. POW seem to have turned into a mass-market PR machine. With all the commoners eyes keenly glued to the POW website allowing the rest to quietly slip in and raid blackratpress. I'm just slightly concerned with the prices, I don't know if they get their printing done externally or they just work with higher profit margins but 300quid for a screenprint is pretty expensive and this will definitely decrease their sales volume. I mean POW can basically shift anything these days by a combination of hype / affordability / volume.
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by manchestermike on Feb 15, 2007 11:38:05 GMT 1, New Nick Walker up
Not overly keen though
New Nick Walker up
Not overly keen though
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Macdeee
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by Macdeee on Feb 15, 2007 13:23:07 GMT 1, Seven colour screen print? really? Think id rather have a Mona Simpson.
Seven colour screen print? really? Think id rather have a Mona Simpson.
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by corblimeylimey on Feb 15, 2007 13:26:31 GMT 1, I bet the quality of the printing really shows when you see it in the flesh, a pic on the internet won't do it the justice.
I bet the quality of the printing really shows when you see it in the flesh, a pic on the internet won't do it the justice.
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Curley
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by Curley on Feb 15, 2007 13:50:21 GMT 1, Print is up now.... £175
135 left.
Print is up now.... £175
135 left.
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jellya
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by jellya on Feb 26, 2007 17:27:35 GMT 1, Only 18 Blek's left - Man Who Walks Through Walls.
If you're still be considering I would recommend grabbing one before you kick yourself.
It is stunning in the flesh and at 73 x 53cms it's imposing too (in all the right ways)
Only 18 Blek's left - Man Who Walks Through Walls.
If you're still be considering I would recommend grabbing one before you kick yourself.
It is stunning in the flesh and at 73 x 53cms it's imposing too (in all the right ways)
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pezlow
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Black Rat Press • Black Rat Projects, by pezlow on Feb 26, 2007 18:31:21 GMT 1, Does anyone know who provides the online payment system for Black rat - is it paypal or someone else?
Does anyone know who provides the online payment system for Black rat - is it paypal or someone else?
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