Quinnster
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APs V Limited edition, by Quinnster on Feb 11, 2013 20:20:00 GMT 1, Hi
So what is better an Artist proof or a standard Limited edition print?
Thanks
Hi
So what is better an Artist proof or a standard Limited edition print?
Thanks
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anarquee
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APs V Limited edition, by anarquee on Feb 11, 2013 20:25:26 GMT 1, AP most of the times
AP most of the times
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Quinnster
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APs V Limited edition, by Quinnster on Feb 11, 2013 20:37:48 GMT 1, I have been offered an ap or a numbered print from 50 either a 9 or 47 what would be the smart choice? all at same cost...
I have been offered an ap or a numbered print from 50 either a 9 or 47 what would be the smart choice? all at same cost...
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Cornish Crayon
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APs V Limited edition, by Cornish Crayon on Feb 11, 2013 20:38:08 GMT 1, Buys popcorn and pulls up a chair .........
Buys popcorn and pulls up a chair .........
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APs V Limited edition, by Tompkins on Feb 11, 2013 20:59:44 GMT 1, I have been offered an ap or a numbered print from 50 either a 9 or 47 what would be the smart choice? all at same cost...
I have been offered an ap or a numbered print from 50 either a 9 or 47 what would be the smart choice? all at same cost... The one in the best condition... |
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Quinnster
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APs V Limited edition, by Quinnster on Feb 11, 2013 21:02:11 GMT 1, They are all mint....
They are all mint....
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APs V Limited edition, by Happy Go Lucky Chap on Feb 11, 2013 21:09:27 GMT 1, Is the AP numbered?
Is the AP numbered?
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stefan123
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APs V Limited edition, by stefan123 on Feb 11, 2013 22:07:28 GMT 1, I always prefer the standard editions.
I always prefer the standard editions.
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AFR1KA
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APs V Limited edition, by AFR1KA on Feb 11, 2013 22:14:20 GMT 1, I prefer an AP
I prefer an AP
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APs V Limited edition, by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 22:19:12 GMT 1, Ap
Ap
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APs V Limited edition, by Coach on Feb 11, 2013 22:36:32 GMT 1, Surely it depends on the artist and what he or she does with aps.
If they are different from the main run (see Banksy aps) then they are defo more desirable.
If they are exactly the same as ghe main edition, I fail to see why they might be more desirable.
Surely it depends on the artist and what he or she does with aps.
If they are different from the main run (see Banksy aps) then they are defo more desirable.
If they are exactly the same as ghe main edition, I fail to see why they might be more desirable.
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alittle
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APs V Limited edition, by alittle on Feb 12, 2013 1:07:23 GMT 1, If they are exactly the same as ghe main edition, I fail to see why they might be more desirable.
I agree with this, although, it generally appears as though the market does not.
If they are exactly the same as ghe main edition, I fail to see why they might be more desirable. I agree with this, although, it generally appears as though the market does not. |
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APs V Limited edition, by nrgball on Feb 12, 2013 3:24:45 GMT 1, If the AP is hand finished or different then the AP. Otherwise I would grab the 9 print. I like low numbers.
If the AP is hand finished or different then the AP. Otherwise I would grab the 9 print. I like low numbers.
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APs V Limited edition, by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 3:35:44 GMT 1, Surely it depends on the artist and what he or she does with aps. If they are different from the main run (see Banksy aps) then they are defo more desirable. If they are exactly the same as ghe main edition, I fail to see why they might be more desirable.
I desire a/p and p/p more, even if they are the same as the standard edition. And even more, if they are different. Just do.
Surely it depends on the artist and what he or she does with aps. If they are different from the main run (see Banksy aps) then they are defo more desirable. If they are exactly the same as ghe main edition, I fail to see why they might be more desirable. I desire a/p and p/p more, even if they are the same as the standard edition. And even more, if they are different. Just do. |
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john1539
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APs V Limited edition, by john1539 on Feb 12, 2013 9:43:57 GMT 1, I also prefer the AP or PP, for the feeling that they are for VIP... 
I also prefer the AP or PP, for the feeling that they are for VIP... |
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gavatron
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APs V Limited edition, by gavatron on Feb 12, 2013 10:08:00 GMT 1, the APs/PPs are usually the first/best of the print run. So if you're buying a silkscreen or a hand finished they are usually the crisper/clearer/most aesthetically appealing of the lot.
the APs/PPs are usually the first/best of the print run. So if you're buying a silkscreen or a hand finished they are usually the crisper/clearer/most aesthetically appealing of the lot.
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vince11
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APs V Limited edition, by vince11 on Feb 12, 2013 20:00:57 GMT 1, the APs/PPs are usually the first/best of the print run. So if you're buying a silkscreen or a hand finished they are usually the crisper/clearer/most aesthetically appealing of the lot.
It has always striked me that those would be prefered over the regular edition, I would rather have one inside the edition personally, as I think it has more value, and yes a lower number, or the last one.
An Ap or PP can always be pulled later, so it lacks authenticity I believe, but I guess it s really a detail as long as you love the print, the number is really not that important.
the APs/PPs are usually the first/best of the print run. So if you're buying a silkscreen or a hand finished they are usually the crisper/clearer/most aesthetically appealing of the lot. This is true in theory ie definition, but in reality on an edition AP and PP are just extra prints for first the artist and second the producer because you always want to keep a few ex for yourself weither you are the artist or the printer, and when releasing an edition you do not want to crop 10 ex from the original edition, so you make a few extra ones that are out of the edition. But in my experience they are exactly the same as the other ones. Unless as said above they are modified. It has always striked me that those would be prefered over the regular edition, I would rather have one inside the edition personally, as I think it has more value, and yes a lower number, or the last one. An Ap or PP can always be pulled later, so it lacks authenticity I believe, but I guess it s really a detail as long as you love the print, the number is really not that important. |
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G-Man
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APs V Limited edition, by G-Man on Feb 13, 2013 9:43:02 GMT 1, Love an AP
Love an AP
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APs V Limited edition, by twist65 on Feb 13, 2013 10:30:21 GMT 1, if they're exactly the same but the edition is marked 47/50 and the ap 9/10 i'd prefer the ap
if they're exactly the same but the edition is marked 47/50 and the ap 9/10 i'd prefer the ap
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Quinnster
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APs V Limited edition, by Quinnster on Feb 13, 2013 12:17:55 GMT 1, Interesting reply's.... I had always thought APs were more desirable but everyone has there own opinions.
I can see where you are coming from with regards to the Banksy Aps as they are different from the standard prints.
I'm still none the wiser.........
Interesting reply's.... I had always thought APs were more desirable but everyone has there own opinions.
I can see where you are coming from with regards to the Banksy Aps as they are different from the standard prints.
I'm still none the wiser.........
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brookesjoe
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APs V Limited edition, by brookesjoe on Feb 13, 2013 12:36:47 GMT 1, An artists proof should differ from the original run, if not, they're just taking your money and laughing at you.
An artists proof should differ from the original run, if not, they're just taking your money and laughing at you.
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APs V Limited edition, by Mark Perronet on Feb 13, 2013 12:39:53 GMT 1, Artists proof should be exactly the same as the rest of the edition otherwise the term has no meaning. Back in the day, etching, lithography etc, the AP was made for the artist to check he/she was happy with the quality, if they were then the edition would be made, sometimes a long process, then the artist would pop back to sign. But I think now esp with screenprints the term has changed meaning a bit and is often a way to sell more than 50 prints of an edition of 50. A bit like OG seems to have changed meaning.
Artists proof should be exactly the same as the rest of the edition otherwise the term has no meaning. Back in the day, etching, lithography etc, the AP was made for the artist to check he/she was happy with the quality, if they were then the edition would be made, sometimes a long process, then the artist would pop back to sign. But I think now esp with screenprints the term has changed meaning a bit and is often a way to sell more than 50 prints of an edition of 50. A bit like OG seems to have changed meaning.
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APs V Limited edition, by pelle on Feb 13, 2013 13:00:05 GMT 1, Artists proof should be exactly the same as the rest of the edition otherwise the term has no meaning. Back in the day, etching, lithography etc, the AP was made for the artist to check he/she was happy with the quality, if they were then the edition would be made, sometimes a long process, then the artist would pop back to sign. But I think now esp with screenprints the term has changed meaning a bit and is often a way to sell more than 50 prints of an edition of 50. A bit like OG seems to have changed meaning.
"OG" is and has always been a nonsensical abbreviation used by people who are too lazy to write out the word "original".
Artists proof should be exactly the same as the rest of the edition otherwise the term has no meaning. Back in the day, etching, lithography etc, the AP was made for the artist to check he/she was happy with the quality, if they were then the edition would be made, sometimes a long process, then the artist would pop back to sign. But I think now esp with screenprints the term has changed meaning a bit and is often a way to sell more than 50 prints of an edition of 50. A bit like OG seems to have changed meaning. "OG" is and has always been a nonsensical abbreviation used by people who are too lazy to write out the word "original". |
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APs V Limited edition, by rexxington on Feb 13, 2013 13:10:05 GMT 1, timely thread, bought a recent print which has imperfections from the print process (parts of the print appear matt). artist has been great in offering refund or swap with AP, but AP's all have similar imperfections. not sure what my best option is....
timely thread, bought a recent print which has imperfections from the print process (parts of the print appear matt). artist has been great in offering refund or swap with AP, but AP's all have similar imperfections. not sure what my best option is....
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APs V Limited edition, by aj2010 on Feb 13, 2013 15:34:39 GMT 1, I have got an AP from Karborn which is in fact a one off that he did especially for me.
I have got an AP from Karborn which is in fact a one off that he did especially for me.
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APs V Limited edition, by guymo on Feb 15, 2013 17:01:34 GMT 1, Artists proof should be exactly the same as the rest of the edition otherwise the term has no meaning.
But mainly I agree with you. It seems the current use of AP is essentially meaningless, other than "some other prints that are not part of the main run". They could be the same, they could be different, whatever.
No harm in people collecting APs or refusing APs or regarding APs as no more or less desirable as the main edition. From the production end, I think there *is* some harm in abusing the notion of a proof to produce super-collectors-items deliberately.
As regards numbering, can anyone confirm or deny my belief that the print that is hand-numbered 1 of [whatever] is not necessarily the first off the presses (ignoring any proofs) ? Indeed it would seem more likely that it is the *last* off the presses because it was on top of the pile when the artist came around to do the life-affirming sign-and-number task that I am sure they all live for.
Artists proof should be exactly the same as the rest of the edition otherwise the term has no meaning. That's not quite right, is it, because even in the original use of the term, an AP could be different from the main edition if the artist did NOT approve it and some changes were made. But mainly I agree with you. It seems the current use of AP is essentially meaningless, other than "some other prints that are not part of the main run". They could be the same, they could be different, whatever. No harm in people collecting APs or refusing APs or regarding APs as no more or less desirable as the main edition. From the production end, I think there *is* some harm in abusing the notion of a proof to produce super-collectors-items deliberately. As regards numbering, can anyone confirm or deny my belief that the print that is hand-numbered 1 of [whatever] is not necessarily the first off the presses (ignoring any proofs) ? Indeed it would seem more likely that it is the *last* off the presses because it was on top of the pile when the artist came around to do the life-affirming sign-and-number task that I am sure they all live for. |
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APs V Limited edition, by Mark Perronet on Feb 18, 2013 1:09:46 GMT 1, If the artist didnt approve it then it wouldnt have been signed..
As for the number 1 being first or last i dont think any printer really bothers about the order..with screenprints everyone should be as crisp as the last..with etching aquatint mezzotint etc i think the plate gets gradually worn down so the earlier prints are better.
If the artist didnt approve it then it wouldnt have been signed..
As for the number 1 being first or last i dont think any printer really bothers about the order..with screenprints everyone should be as crisp as the last..with etching aquatint mezzotint etc i think the plate gets gradually worn down so the earlier prints are better.
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APs V Limited edition, by brookesjoe on Feb 18, 2013 9:49:41 GMT 1, 'Proofs' imply more than one test prints, to check colours and variants.
Way too many artists in this movement just number the over printed edition as Artists Proofs, Sheps one of the worst for this!
'Proofs' imply more than one test prints, to check colours and variants.
Way too many artists in this movement just number the over printed edition as Artists Proofs, Sheps one of the worst for this!
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APs V Limited edition, by sgolby on Feb 18, 2013 17:55:24 GMT 1, I recieved an AP from Cranio's Un Milhao print, it is not glow in the dark. I did not notice this until I recieved it back from my framer. Not that I plan on selling it, but do we think it would be less valued? I personally prefer it as I hate GID.
... Nevermind last night with the lights off the GID showed up and gave me a bit of a fright... Must stop drinking heavily before bed!
I recieved an AP from Cranio's Un Milhao print, it is not glow in the dark. I did not notice this until I recieved it back from my framer. Not that I plan on selling it, but do we think it would be less valued? I personally prefer it as I hate GID.
... Nevermind last night with the lights off the GID showed up and gave me a bit of a fright... Must stop drinking heavily before bed!
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Quinnster
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APs V Limited edition, by Quinnster on Feb 23, 2013 12:29:56 GMT 1, Just to update the original start if the thread I got the AP in the end it was a gerald Jenkins marajuana girl and its amazing.
Just to update the original start if the thread I got the AP in the end it was a gerald Jenkins marajuana girl and its amazing.
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