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Where are the sympathies for the CL final?, by kunstrasen on May 12, 2013 10:42:31 GMT 1, I'm rather cuffed that two German teams made it into the Champions League final for the first time. Lets face it, German football is good but not the best. Over here it's already a major topic in the media even with almost two weeks to go to the final. I'm wondering how the interest is abroad in the German final and which teams has more sympathy from the people...also, who's going to win the game? What are your thoughts? How is German football perceived these days abroad in general? Don't know if there's much interest in a thread like this but personally I'm curios how things are seen outside of Germany so cheers for any replies.
I'm rather cuffed that two German teams made it into the Champions League final for the first time. Lets face it, German football is good but not the best. Over here it's already a major topic in the media even with almost two weeks to go to the final. I'm wondering how the interest is abroad in the German final and which teams has more sympathy from the people...also, who's going to win the game? What are your thoughts? How is German football perceived these days abroad in general? Don't know if there's much interest in a thread like this but personally I'm curios how things are seen outside of Germany so cheers for any replies.
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Where are the sympathies for the CL final?, by Warm Gun on May 12, 2013 12:20:49 GMT 1, I think it's a little difficult to generate a huge international interest when two teams from the same country are in a final. I was amazed how the German teams obliterated the Spanish giants in the semi-finals. It was a huge statement for German football and it has surprised a lot of people. I think the Spanish sides may feel a little embarrassed as they were both probably big favourites to go through. I tipped Bayern to do well after watching their performances in the group stages, they look so fast and powerful and direct, it's scary to think that they reached the final last year but managed to strengthen their squad with 4 or 5 quality players a season later, not many teams can do that. Dortmund are a huge surprise to be honest, I know little about them and suspect that Bayern will be the clear favourites. Dortmund seem to play great passing football and are still a very young side, perhaps they can do a Porto and surprise everyone?
I'll certainly be watching.
I think it's a little difficult to generate a huge international interest when two teams from the same country are in a final. I was amazed how the German teams obliterated the Spanish giants in the semi-finals. It was a huge statement for German football and it has surprised a lot of people. I think the Spanish sides may feel a little embarrassed as they were both probably big favourites to go through. I tipped Bayern to do well after watching their performances in the group stages, they look so fast and powerful and direct, it's scary to think that they reached the final last year but managed to strengthen their squad with 4 or 5 quality players a season later, not many teams can do that. Dortmund are a huge surprise to be honest, I know little about them and suspect that Bayern will be the clear favourites. Dortmund seem to play great passing football and are still a very young side, perhaps they can do a Porto and surprise everyone?
I'll certainly be watching.
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Where are the sympathies for the CL final?, by bigtlt on May 12, 2013 13:24:27 GMT 1, German football at the minute is everything I wish English football could be.
Cheap ticket prices, great football, great crowds.
Dortmunds "Yellow Wall" is exactly what grounds in this country should be like.
This is a video from the Man City v Dortmund game.
Stadiums in this country have no atmosphere compared to German stadiums I've been to. Introducing safe standing sections to grounds can only be of benefit to this.
German football at the minute is everything I wish English football could be.
Cheap ticket prices, great football, great crowds.
Dortmunds "Yellow Wall" is exactly what grounds in this country should be like.
This is a video from the Man City v Dortmund game.
Stadiums in this country have no atmosphere compared to German stadiums I've been to. Introducing safe standing sections to grounds can only be of benefit to this.
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Where are the sympathies for the CL final?, by Warm Gun on May 12, 2013 14:58:22 GMT 1, How are the crowds in the Bundesliga?
I read that year that they were at an all time low?
How are the crowds in the Bundesliga?
I read that year that they were at an all time low?
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Where are the sympathies for the CL final?, by Warm Gun on May 12, 2013 16:00:06 GMT 1, Hahaha, he sounds like a character!
Hahaha, he sounds like a character!
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Where are the sympathies for the CL final?, by kunstrasen on May 12, 2013 16:32:58 GMT 1, How are the crowds in the Bundesliga? I read that year that they were at an all time low?
The Bundesliga is really popular these days and given that it is much more competitive internationally it will probably become more popular in the future.
All depends a bit as well which teams are relegated. For example Berlin and Cologne with big stadiums are in the 2. Bundesliga at the moment and others like Fürth with a tiny stadium and small fan base play in the 1. Bundesliga.
How are the crowds in the Bundesliga? I read that year that they were at an all time low? The crowds in the Bundesliga are rather impressive these days even though Dortmund is something special. For the world cup 2006 a couple new stadiums were built, others modernised. Last year was an all time visitor record of around 45.000 fans per game averaging over the season. Dortmund of course had an average of more than 80.000... The Bundesliga is really popular these days and given that it is much more competitive internationally it will probably become more popular in the future. All depends a bit as well which teams are relegated. For example Berlin and Cologne with big stadiums are in the 2. Bundesliga at the moment and others like Fürth with a tiny stadium and small fan base play in the 1. Bundesliga. |
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Fun read this! Cheers, made me giggle... |
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Where are the sympathies for the CL final?, by Warm Gun on May 12, 2013 16:35:46 GMT 1, Things are looking good for German football both in your league and your national side, especially if you keep on stealing players from other nations and pretending that they're German.
The English game needs a damn good shake up on all fronts.
Things are looking good for German football both in your league and your national side, especially if you keep on stealing players from other nations and pretending that they're German. The English game needs a damn good shake up on all fronts. |
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Where are the sympathies for the CL final?, by kunstrasen on May 12, 2013 16:47:05 GMT 1, Not so convinced of the national team myself, the coach there is a bit average really. From the player material certainly the best in more than 20 years...
Haha, it's not that bad with stealing players from other nations any more. About 10 years ago everyone who knew where the goal was, was given a German passport but nowadays players like Özil, Khedira, etc are just Germans with a migration background.
Not so convinced of the national team myself, the coach there is a bit average really. From the player material certainly the best in more than 20 years...
Haha, it's not that bad with stealing players from other nations any more. About 10 years ago everyone who knew where the goal was, was given a German passport but nowadays players like Özil, Khedira, etc are just Germans with a migration background.
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Where are the sympathies for the CL final?, by Finsbury on May 12, 2013 18:44:05 GMT 1, Hi K,
One thing that baffles me about the Bundesliga is the average cost of season tickets, I recently read Dortmund average is £96 or euros, and Bayern a little more topping £100. Can you tell me how they can afford to pay the salaries and still attract the star players? Does the revenue needed come from sponsership? I know Bayern are owned by the supporters so the money is spent wisely but still?....
Thanks
Hi K,
One thing that baffles me about the Bundesliga is the average cost of season tickets, I recently read Dortmund average is £96 or euros, and Bayern a little more topping £100. Can you tell me how they can afford to pay the salaries and still attract the star players? Does the revenue needed come from sponsership? I know Bayern are owned by the supporters so the money is spent wisely but still?....
Thanks
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Where are the sympathies for the CL final?, by kunstrasen on May 12, 2013 19:09:55 GMT 1, Hi K, One thing that baffles me about the Bundesliga is the average cost of season tickets, I recently read Dortmund average is £96 or euros, and Bayern a little more topping £100. Can you tell me how they can afford to pay the salaries and still attract the star players? Does the revenue needed come from sponsership? I know Bayern are owned by the supporters so the money is spent wisely but still?.... Thanks
Bayern Munich is the exception I guess. One reason they can afford the big salaries is that they have a lot of cash in the bank account from the past decades were they never spent as much as they earned, also a lot of people supporting the club as members, sponsorship plays a big role as well and they have been successful in the Champions League the past years were the big cash is earned.
Dortmund is a good example though for the Bundesliga in general...the total of all salaries for the team this year was €48,5 millions so if you compare that to the major clubs in England it is a joke really.
Less money going around at least shows a bit that cash is not everything. Much more important is good work in the youth department and good scouting. Kagawa, who's playing for Man Utd now did cost Dortmund €200.000 before they sold him for €15 millions on two years later...that's how a lot of clubs make money over here as well. Guess the Bundesliga is a good stage where players can make a name for themselves before they change to the biggest clubs in Europe. Might all change now a bit with more success internationally, well hopefully.
Hi K, One thing that baffles me about the Bundesliga is the average cost of season tickets, I recently read Dortmund average is £96 or euros, and Bayern a little more topping £100. Can you tell me how they can afford to pay the salaries and still attract the star players? Does the revenue needed come from sponsership? I know Bayern are owned by the supporters so the money is spent wisely but still?.... Thanks Hi Finsbury, season tickets aren't just that cheap...season ticket in Dortmund start at €187 and go up to €845 so that explains it a bit. Still a fraction of what tickets cost in England I'm guessing. Salaries in the Bundesliga in average are much lower than in the Premier League though, to be honest not many players come as star players. Bayern Munich is the exception I guess. One reason they can afford the big salaries is that they have a lot of cash in the bank account from the past decades were they never spent as much as they earned, also a lot of people supporting the club as members, sponsorship plays a big role as well and they have been successful in the Champions League the past years were the big cash is earned. Dortmund is a good example though for the Bundesliga in general...the total of all salaries for the team this year was €48,5 millions so if you compare that to the major clubs in England it is a joke really. Less money going around at least shows a bit that cash is not everything. Much more important is good work in the youth department and good scouting. Kagawa, who's playing for Man Utd now did cost Dortmund €200.000 before they sold him for €15 millions on two years later...that's how a lot of clubs make money over here as well. Guess the Bundesliga is a good stage where players can make a name for themselves before they change to the biggest clubs in Europe. Might all change now a bit with more success internationally, well hopefully. |
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Where are the sympathies for the CL final?, by Warm Gun on May 12, 2013 19:20:02 GMT 1, Blimey, Manchester United's wage bill is £45m per quarter! (they do have a huge income on the other hand)
Blimey, Manchester United's wage bill is £45m per quarter! (they do have a huge income on the other hand)
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Where are the sympathies for the CL final?, by Ruggs on May 12, 2013 20:32:15 GMT 1, Love German footy. Look forward to watching the Bundersliga highlights programme on ITV4 every Monday night. The Champions League Final will be an awesome occasion. Can't wait.
Love German footy. Look forward to watching the Bundersliga highlights programme on ITV4 every Monday night. The Champions League Final will be an awesome occasion. Can't wait.
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Where are the sympathies for the CL final?, by Warm Gun on May 12, 2013 22:17:18 GMT 1, Here's a rumoured Bayern Munich wage bill per week...
Arjen Robben - £165,000
Franck Ribery - £165,000
Mario Gomez - £140,000
Bastian Schweinsteiger - £135,000
Phillip Lahm - £120,000
Manuel Neuer - £105,000
Thomas Muller - £85,000
Jerome Boateng - £80,000
Claudio Pizarro - £80,000
Javi Martinez - £75,000
Toni Kroos - £65,000
Holger Badstuber - £65,000
Rafinha - £60,000
Mario Mandzukic - £60,000
Dante - £55,000
Daniel Van Buyten - £50,000
Luiz Gustavo - £50,000
Xherdan Shaqiri - £40,000
David Alaba - £40,000
Tom Starke - £35,000
Diego Contento - £18,000
Nils Petersen - £15,000
That's way up there with the big spenders of the Premiership (excluding Man City who are just plain mental when it comes to players wages).......this club means business! They are a true giant of European football.
Here's a rumoured Bayern Munich wage bill per week...
Arjen Robben - £165,000
Franck Ribery - £165,000
Mario Gomez - £140,000
Bastian Schweinsteiger - £135,000
Phillip Lahm - £120,000
Manuel Neuer - £105,000
Thomas Muller - £85,000
Jerome Boateng - £80,000
Claudio Pizarro - £80,000
Javi Martinez - £75,000
Toni Kroos - £65,000
Holger Badstuber - £65,000
Rafinha - £60,000
Mario Mandzukic - £60,000
Dante - £55,000
Daniel Van Buyten - £50,000
Luiz Gustavo - £50,000
Xherdan Shaqiri - £40,000
David Alaba - £40,000
Tom Starke - £35,000
Diego Contento - £18,000
Nils Petersen - £15,000
That's way up there with the big spenders of the Premiership (excluding Man City who are just plain mental when it comes to players wages).......this club means business! They are a true giant of European football.
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Where are the sympathies for the CL final?, by Finsbury on May 12, 2013 23:14:46 GMT 1, Thanks K for the response and to clarify ST prices. That would explain the finances to some extent and the fact that safe standing sections must surely allow for more ticket sales to boost attendances. They must have some serious cash to afford the likes of Gotze for 37m. In summary to your first post, German football, beer and Adidas - What more could you ask for in life!
Thanks K for the response and to clarify ST prices. That would explain the finances to some extent and the fact that safe standing sections must surely allow for more ticket sales to boost attendances. They must have some serious cash to afford the likes of Gotze for 37m. In summary to your first post, German football, beer and Adidas - What more could you ask for in life!
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